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| 02:26.33 | klys | http://imgur.com/a/6iE9H |
| 02:29.20 | RyanE | https://www.dropbox.com/s/bul5e3y8rpgzejt/IMG_2467.JPG?dl=0 |
| 02:34.38 | klys | good job |
| 02:35.15 | RyanE | thx. Hard to focus on something so dark. |
| 02:35.34 | RyanE | I think I lucked out. pushed the camera up against a porch post, held still, snapped. |
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| 14:20.45 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds |
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| 14:50.58 | Wegg | Hey, has anyone here tried Utah Broad Band as an ISP? |
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| 14:56.54 | Tod-Work | as I recall, they're just a reseller of others' lines |
| 14:57.08 | Tod-Work | personally I don't like middle men |
| 15:01.05 | programmerq | Wegg: we had UBB at my office in AF. it was just a cheap line intended for testing stuff from outside the corporate network. |
| 15:01.16 | programmerq | the biggest problem was that their device was configured to do NAT |
| 15:01.23 | programmerq | we didn't realize this, so we were double NAT'd |
| 15:01.31 | programmerq | and their device couldn't handle all the connections we were making |
| 15:01.50 | programmerq | we had them turn it off, and our consumer grade router was ablo to handle everything just fine. :/ |
| 15:02.24 | Wegg | Tod-Work, I thought they had their own wireless setup like Digis. |
| 15:02.37 | Tod-Work | that could be |
| 15:02.45 | Tod-Work | that's almost worse to me |
| 15:02.45 | Wegg | programmerq, so they have a router with their setup and you set up another one behind it and it caused problems? |
| 15:03.09 | Wegg | Tod-Work, hard to believe that Comcast is my only option when they charge $80 a month. |
| 15:03.23 | Wegg | That's a little steep for e-mail and the occasional netflix. |
| 15:03.28 | Tod-Work | pays $130/month for Comcast Business at 50/10 |
| 15:04.00 | Wegg | I lived in Orem for years and we got Utopia for $39 a month and it was Gigs/s |
| 15:06.19 | programmerq | Wegg: their box that attaches directly to the antenna was the device in question. we just asked them to turn off NAT at that level, and it was fine. |
| 15:06.30 | programmerq | it took a while to determine that was the cause though |
| 15:06.50 | Wegg | nods |
| 15:06.53 | Wegg | and the speeds? |
| 15:07.02 | programmerq | not great, but we didn't have a high speed plan. |
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| 15:07.29 | Wegg | From the reviews I'm reading, a lot of people sign up for say. . . 10 and end up with 2. |
| 15:07.59 | Tod-Work | I bought a house in Orem 9 years ago expecting to be able to get Utopia within a few years (according to the plans) and have yet to receive it |
| 15:07.59 | programmerq | definitely do some research on where there antenna is and whether you have true LOS |
| 15:08.01 | Wegg | crapshoot as to what the actual connection speed will be at your location. |
| 15:09.07 | programmerq | yeah, I won't buy/rent/build in a place without fiber. |
| 15:10.37 | programmerq | I would be happy if I could get a wireless link for $20.00/month, and use it solely as a backup link. |
| 15:10.53 | programmerq | I work from home, and having my ISP as a single point of failure is unsavory |
| 15:11.10 | programmerq | granted, I've had better uptime here than I've had in actual offices that I've worked in. |
| 15:11.22 | jima | programmerq: we had some concerns about that, but we ended up getting business-class comcast service |
| 15:11.38 | programmerq | business class or not, it is still a single point of failure. |
| 15:12.01 | jima | between the priority queue for repairs, and the exemption from caps...worth it. |
| 15:12.07 | jima | also static ips, those are always nice |
| 15:12.25 | programmerq | I did pay for business class from directcom |
| 15:12.36 | programmerq | their sales guy told me that I'd have priority-- I didn't |
| 15:12.43 | programmerq | no actual SLA |
| 15:12.47 | programmerq | they did include the static IPs |
| 15:13.05 | jima | i've gotten confirmed reports of enhanced priority from local customers |
| 15:13.09 | programmerq | but I got sick of paying for extra for nothing, so I dropped the business class and bumped my download speed |
| 15:13.38 | programmerq | there are no caps with directcom at all, and paying for the static IP is still cheaper than paying for business class. |
| 15:19.16 | Wegg | I don't get fiber up in East Millcreek. :-( |
| 15:31.33 | jlp_znc | I can't get Utopia in the middle of Murray (a Utopia tier 1 city). |
| 15:31.54 | RyanE | I can't even dream of fiber in Highland. |
| 15:32.07 | jlp_znc | they left my neighborhood out when they built the infrastructure. "we didn't think anyone living there would want it" |
| 15:32.14 | Tod-Work | Highland and Alpine both are like, "what is this technology you speak of?" |
| 15:32.20 | RyanE | unless I rent a trencher and piss off a lot of people in Cedar Hills, Pleasant Grove, and Orem. :) |
| 15:32.30 | RyanE | jlp_znc: nice |
| 15:36.39 | Jayce^ | jlp_znc: they sent out a survey about fiber usage, and got interesting results from your age group :) |
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| 15:39.09 | jlp_znc | go less than four blocks in any direction from my house and you can get it. |
| 15:39.13 | bregalad | 'this new fangled fibre thingy is a commie conspiracy instigated by malevolent hipster millenials' |
| 15:40.12 | jlp_znc | I've thought about renting office space in a nearby building and setting up a PTP wireless link of my own, but it's prohibitively expensive. |
| 15:40.18 | jlp_znc | so I keep paying comcrap. |
| 15:42.10 | jlp_znc | every year or so I e-mail them and ask when it will be finished. they usually say it's scheduled for "next year". I've been asking since 2007. |
| 15:42.34 | jlp_znc | oh, 2006. |
| 15:42.45 | jlp_znc | (just checked my "UTOPIA" label) |
| 15:42.51 | RyanE | In their defense, there's been a lot of "next years" since then... |
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| 15:50.08 | jlp_znc | yeah |
| 15:51.04 | jlp_znc | the last thing I heard from them was along the lines of "we are currently trying to get people in areas we are already servicing to sign up. if we get enough of them, then we could maybe build out in some of the areas where we didn't before. please try to convince your friends who live in areas where utopia is available to sign up!" |
| 15:51.21 | jlp_znc | so they want me to do their marketing for them, for a service that I have never used and can't get. |
| 15:51.26 | Tod-Work | in this room that's a no brainer |
| 15:51.36 | Tod-Work | everyone is already convinced |
| 15:51.46 | Tod-Work | if they have access to it, they're on it |
| 15:52.16 | Tod-Work | curses Lehi for not signing onto Utopia |
| 15:52.23 | Tod-Work | that would have been awesome for it |
| 15:53.17 | bregalad | to most people, utopia is an annoying nerd that is totally uncool |
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| 15:53.26 | bregalad | comcarp, though, they are cool |
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| 16:40.25 | jima | jlp_znc: i'm not sure i'd categorize murray as a utopia tier-1 city anymore. :-\ |
| 16:40.40 | jima | things got tense after the macquarie vote |
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| 17:18.34 | shalkie | jlp_znc: I spent five years in that Utopia tease w/ Murray City. And the things got tense well before Snarr left office. Personally I blame the council and whoever was writing them checks and talking points. |
| 17:19.33 | shalkie | programmerq: By the time I was done looking for houses the realtor would help me identify space for servers in the house and would ask me if I check for fiber yet. |
| 17:19.47 | shalkie | Hence the reason I ended up where I am at. |
| 17:22.05 | shalkie | My mother still lives in Murray and is can't get utopia. She has gotten sick of the service she gets from CLink, but her only other option is Comcrap and she (and I) have been too burnt to use them. Now she is including notes like "When are we getting utopia?" on her utility bills. |
| 17:22.42 | unum | my employer has had in on 9east for about 10 years |
| 17:22.50 | unum | my other employer had it on vine |
| 17:23.08 | unum | it's sooooooooooooooo nice |
| 17:23.19 | unum | you should see me do updates agains xmission mirrors..... |
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| 17:33.22 | shalkie | Yeah, it is so nice. My office is in Centerville and have gigabit there. :) |
| 17:33.53 | shalkie | Still I am very happy with my 100, speed is reasonable for what I do and I don't really hit capacity with it. |
| 17:34.28 | shalkie | Also Murray posted a Utopia FAQ: http://www.murray.utah.gov/documentcenter/view/4887 |
| 17:35.07 | shalkie | I love the "Why would I want this?" point. Almost seems grovely. :) |
| 17:36.22 | programmerq | hmmm, not sure I know what grovely means. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grovely |
| 18:00.18 | jalbretsen | Invest, and let it go dark |
| 18:00.37 | jalbretsen | they also should say.... because it would upset a ton of businesses and customers |
| 18:01.03 | jalbretsen | Go dark, now the only options you have are twice the cost and 10% of the speed |
| 18:11.18 | shalkie | Meh, variation of Groveling. :) |
| 18:16.09 | programmerq | ah, okay. |
| 18:17.13 | programmerq | I wonder if folks were against cities installing and maintaining telephone/power lines when that was new. |
| 18:19.30 | RyanE | people are always against everything. people suck. |
| 18:19.34 | shalkie | If I recall correctly someone in Murray City pointed out that there was some arguments about private services around sewer or water. I want to say that pashdown tweeted about it. |
| 18:20.31 | pashdown | aye. a senior citizen got up at their city meeting and talked about how people bitched about water lines and sewers when they were first done in murray. they wanted to stick with wells and outhouses. it was great! |
| 18:22.30 | RyanE | well, my Qworst service really does work about as well as an outhouse. Gets the job done, but it stinks. |
| 18:22.36 | bregalad | lol, great metaphor too |
| 18:31.00 | Tod-Work | speaking of people, my feelings on the subject: http://www.twogag.com/archives/3528 |
| 18:32.14 | Tod-Work | just assumes Utopia is dead |
| 18:37.25 | unum | talks to Tod-Work from the grave |
| 18:38.15 | Tod-Work | unum, vultures have to live off something, right? |
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| 18:43.08 | programmerq | so, all these syrian refugees. sad situation. |
| 18:43.24 | programmerq | US has only accepted 1000 of 6.5 million. |
| 18:43.51 | programmerq | part of me has wondered if I could help in a somewhat direct way by offering my guestroom to a family |
| 18:44.27 | programmerq | I am sure there's way more involved than just having some random person being willing to provide a roof |
| 18:45.43 | unum | there's an international refuge center here in salt lake |
| 18:45.58 | shalkie_ | programmerq: There is (apparently) a lot of paper work to get in. Even the simplest route (tourist visa) might be seriously problematic. |
| 18:45.59 | unum | I knew someone who would volunteer and just spend time with the family answering questions |
| 18:46.40 | programmerq | yeah, the US makes it really hard on folks to come here. |
| 18:47.59 | programmerq | if I do feel strongly about it, maybe volunteering there might be a good way to get involved. |
| 18:49.17 | T4rku5 | UtahSec meeting Thursday Oct 1st, 6:00 @Workfront 3301 N. Thanksgiving Way, Ste.100, Lehi Utah 84043 || @pr0t30 (Steve Fink) presenting |
| 18:50.57 | shalkie_ | Maybe members of certain religious organizations can avail themselves of channels for helping out. *shrug* |
| 18:51.56 | shalkie_ | I think the church has an entire infrastructure dedicated to these types of things. |
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| 19:02.11 | shalkie | Just a reminder that Wed is OALUG. Main Feature: Docker Continuous Integration Fundamentals |
| 19:02.41 | shalkie | Details: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/oalug/UXBJvjenq6A/4QmehN8jAwAJ |
| 19:03.04 | bregalad | reminder: SLC nacho eater's meeting may happen some time in the future |
| 19:04.04 | shalkie | bregalad: If you would like I can pull some strings and we could make nachos available at the OALUG meeting. |
| 19:04.05 | programmerq | shalkie: I can give my docker 101 spiel up at OALUG if that'd be within scope. |
| 19:04.39 | programmerq | dunno if you want a docker 101 presentation in october right after this other docker/CI presentation. |
| 19:07.40 | shalkie | programmerq: I would be happy to have you present in Oct. :) |
| 19:08.04 | programmerq | what day would it be? |
| 19:08.32 | bregalad | shalkie knows how to keep things on topic :-) |
| 19:08.32 | shalkie | The 28th. |
| 19:09.22 | programmerq | that's during saintcon. I'll be speaking there, and I don't yet know what day I'll be there. |
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| 19:09.54 | shalkie | Oh, well this would be in the evening (starts at 7pm) if that would matter. |
| 19:09.56 | programmerq | honestly, if it was the same day, it might work out nicely. saintcon is at weber state. |
| 19:10.24 | shalkie | I have heard good things about SaintCon. |
| 19:10.41 | programmerq | my proposal to talk about Docker's content trust feature has been accepted. |
| 19:10.44 | T4rku5 | I too have heard good things about SaintCon. |
| 19:11.05 | shalkie | tristanrhodes_ has spoken highly of it. :) |
| 19:11.28 | programmerq | I've never been, but I know (one of?) the organizer(s) is active at the 801labs space. |
| 19:11.43 | programmerq | which is a big part of why I know about it and sent a proposal in the first place. |
| 19:12.03 | Jayce^ | it's a great conference |
| 19:15.08 | goozbach | facebook is down!!! fire brimstone |
| 19:15.16 | goozbach | they were right ! it is the end of the world! |
| 19:15.46 | shalkie | Calm down goozbach, there is still MYSPACE! <evil laugh/> |
| 19:16.51 | shalkie | Oh yeah, what is this thing about someone from Tucson claiming some "The end is neigh!" revelation? |
| 19:18.29 | Jayce^ | yet another one? |
| 19:18.50 | shalkie | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.48 | shalkie | Julie Rowe |
| 19:20.51 | bregalad | the end is neigh? |
| 19:20.55 | shalkie | http://www.latterdayblog.com/julie-rowes-books.html |
| 19:21.04 | bregalad | horsepocalypse |
| 19:21.22 | bregalad | ~horse apocalypse |
| 19:21.22 | infobot | http://apocalypse.horse/ |
| 19:23.13 | shalkie | s/neigh/nigh/ |
| 19:23.28 | shalkie | Aren't there horses involved though? |
| 19:23.41 | bregalad | I'm totally for horses being involved |
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| 19:42.43 | RyanE | questionablecontent.horse |
| 19:42.46 | RyanE | beware |
| 19:44.18 | programmerq | nice, it's ipv6 |
| 19:45.23 | shalkie | Oh, excellent! |
| 19:46.03 | shalkie | IPv6 is the IP of choice for all discerning horses of the apocalypse. |
| 19:47.08 | RyanE | and Yakkety Sax is the song of choice for same. |
| 19:58.13 | shalkie | That would explain why it was in this clip of 2012. https://youtu.be/ZNACZ-LRark |
| 20:05.22 | shalkie | While I am thinking about it we are also looking for someone to present on systemd. There are several members that have questions. |
| 20:05.43 | shalkie | So if anyone is interested in presenting on systemd at OALUG sometime in the future send me a message. |
| 20:19.43 | bregalad | I heard that systemd has its own user group presentation framework |
| 20:22.32 | shalkie | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/925/966/8d2.gif |
| 20:24.42 | shalkie | For anyone that forgot: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/08/29/1526217/systemd-absorbs-su-command-functionality |
| 20:26.01 | shalkie | I am waiting for it to provide web services. |
| 20:26.14 | shalkie | For remote management, I am sure. |
| 20:26.36 | shalkie | takes a pot shot at the teens running on his lawn |
| 20:28.07 | shalkie | But this is why a presentation by an informed party would be good. :) |
| 20:35.53 | eightyeight | https://gifsound.com/?gifv=LiBhTxl&v=ORbseYAkzRM&s=19 |
| 20:37.21 | bregalad | systeme |
| 21:00.29 | jalbretsen | Did we learn nothing from Emacs? |
| 21:02.23 | Tod-Work | I don't know if you've noticed this, but there's a lot of people that love emacs |
| 21:02.35 | Tod-Work | so no, no we have not |
| 21:15.07 | jalbretsen | is it a bad thing when HR hands you a blank template and says here, give us your job description...... |
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| 21:16.44 | Jayce^ | oooh.. yeah.. |
| 21:17.02 | jalbretsen | I would think that information should be coming from the other direction |
| 21:19.01 | romanovic | bad thing? maybe this is your opportunity to be promoted |
| 21:23.10 | romanovic | and ask for a pay rise to go with your new title. "That's *Senior* Software Engineer, Dave. I would like to be compensated accordingly" |
| 21:23.51 | jalbretsen | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPwxgml0Q3A |
| 21:25.23 | jalbretsen | I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people! Can't you understand that!!! |
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| 22:00.39 | tristanrhodes_ | shalkie, yes, everyone should attend SAINTCON in October, located at Weber State University campus |
| 22:05.11 | shalkie | jalbretsen: maybe it is a "self evaluation" type of thing. |
| 22:06.08 | shalkie | If things go south though I have no doubt that your work as a captain of security at SL ComiCon will carry you and your family through the harsh times. |
| 22:08.39 | jalbretsen | *volunteer as a "Safety Team" Caption |
| 22:08.58 | shalkie | Oh, dear. |
| 22:09.14 | jalbretsen | Security was different, they escort important people like Stan Lee |
| 22:10.35 | shalkie | falls down laughing thinking of all the groupies trying to touch the Stan Lee mustache |
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| 22:50.47 | bregalad | sometimes when I insert quote characters, it confuses the syntax highlighter and makes everything look like a string |
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| 23:45.10 | shalkie | http://www.http2demo.io/ |
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