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| 18:08.28 | jlp_znc | so what's the big concern people have with genetically modified organisms in food? isn't pretty much all of our food (unless you only munch on dandelion greens) genetically modified by centuries of trait selection? |
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| 18:30.10 | romanovic | selecting or modifying superior genes in organisms sounds like something a company might do to increase output |
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| 18:30.46 | romanovic | all business decisions that lead to more money are obviously motivated by evil, and we need a certail element of society to speak out against them |
| 18:33.06 | programmerq | jlp_znc: one negative example I can think of is some seeds are GMO hybrids that can't make their own seeds. companies did this for vendor lockin reasons. |
| 18:33.15 | romanovic | but on a serious note, GMOs are used for some shady purposes having nothing to do with their suitability as food. |
| 18:33.28 | romanovic | yes ^^ what programmerq said. |
| 18:33.53 | programmerq | that doesn't necessarily sound so bad on its own, but if it polinates with another "normal" plant, that plant won't be able to make seeds |
| 18:34.03 | jlp_znc | I agree that GMOs should be labeled, I just don't understand the hatred of them. we've been genetically modifying things for a long time. |
| 18:34.05 | programmerq | so it has some unintended side effects that negatively affect other plants in the area. |
| 18:34.25 | programmerq | that's of course different than simple trait selection breeding |
| 18:34.47 | programmerq | and the distinction is difficult to see, and some haters don't know the difference; they are just the loud useful idiots. |
| 18:35.37 | jlp_znc | just so you know, the house of representatives has already passed the "Safe and Accurate Food Labeling Act", which actually makes it illegal for states to require food manufacturers to label their GMO products. |
| 18:36.37 | jlp_znc | as I understand it, several states have already passed local legislation to require GMO labeling on foods that have been "modified", but the big food suppliers do not like this and have created this bill to remove the requirement. |
| 18:36.53 | jlp_znc | of course, they call it something that is the diametric opposite of what it actually does. |
| 18:36.53 | romanovic | the cross pollination scenario isn't hypothetical at all. there are farmers who grow soybeans but aren't interested in patented GMO soybeans, but get them anyway due to cross pollination |
| 18:37.13 | programmerq | bill nye even flipped in favor of [responsible] genetic modification: http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-nye-explains-his-stance-on-gmos-2015-7 |
| 18:37.29 | romanovic | and have been sued for reaping the benefits of that GMO, even though they literally have no other choice due to cross pollination |
| 18:37.37 | programmerq | tldr; he saw some real data, saw good science, and saw it being done in a responsible manner. decided it wasn't so bad. |
| 18:40.58 | romanovic | makes sense. I think food producers should keep both in their portfolio. GMOs for maximising production, GMO-free products that you can mark up and ship to customers who aren't worried about the price or aren't interested in the science |
| 18:42.23 | romanovic | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAlWrT5P2VI |
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| 19:49.50 | RyanE | I think it'll be nice when our corn is glow-in-the-dark. Make nighttime BBQs in the summer that much more delightful! |
| 19:49.54 | RyanE | :) |
| 19:51.21 | shalkie | I like that idea. Finally a reason why I should like corn on the cob. |
| 19:51.30 | shalkie | Well aside from the salt and butter. |
| 19:51.45 | RyanE | salt and butter delivery system, like it's cousin popcorn. |
| 19:51.50 | shalkie | ~RyanE++ |
| 19:53.09 | RyanE | sadly, "Colin" is actually a hen... |
| 19:59.56 | jlp_znc | I had the most amazing corn on the cob in Idaho Falls last month. Got it from this dude with a food truck. It was slathered with mayo, some kind of cheese, and chili powder. |
| 20:03.37 | jlp_znc | elotes, I think. google for Sergio's Delights Idaho Falls. he's on facebook, but facebook is apparently blocked here (ugh) so I can't see it to confirm the link. |
| 20:24.22 | programmerq | jlp_znc: yeah, elotes are pretty awesome. |
| 20:25.07 | programmerq | I first had them while I was serving a mission for the LDS church (spanish speaking, southern CA). there was this guy selling them in the street and would come by our apartments. |
| 20:25.28 | programmerq | we'll put out the mayo, parmesan cheese, and chilli powder when we have corn on the cob at my house. |
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| 20:44.44 | shalkie | I never appreciated the intro to social networking that Home Alone 2 had. |
| 20:45.15 | shalkie | Randomly it was on this morning and now I have a new appreciation. |
| 20:45.31 | programmerq | social networking? |
| 20:46.09 | shalkie | s/networking/engineering/ |
| 20:51.49 | joshh | what scene are you talking about, haven't seen it in a while |
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| 21:13.50 | programmerq | ah yes, there is a fair amount of SE |
| 21:14.01 | programmerq | HA2 was something that was watched much at my house in the 90s as a kid. |
| 21:14.28 | programmerq | there was definitely some SE in the first one too. |
| 21:26.15 | bregalad | ~nacho |
| 21:26.15 | infobot | Do you remember when the people were shouting my name and I used my strength to rip my blouse? |
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| 21:54.34 | jlp_znc | anyone need any consulting this week? I'm trying to come up with $1k by friday. |
| 21:57.45 | programmerq | jlp_znc: do you have anything you could sell? |
| 21:58.02 | programmerq | I don't know how fast you can qualify to be a lyft driver |
| 21:58.06 | jlp_znc | I've got some jeep tires |
| 21:58.26 | programmerq | any computer type stuff you might be looking to get rid of? |
| 21:59.06 | jlp_znc | I have a stack of about 30 iomega 1U chassis (they would probably have to be gutted since they have, I think, Pentium chips in them) |
| 21:59.18 | programmerq | wow |
| 21:59.37 | jlp_znc | I was originally going to turn them into firewalls, but never went anywhere with that project. they were originally some type of storage appliance. |
| 22:00.09 | jlp_znc | hot swap IDE drives :-/ |
| 22:00.20 | jlp_znc | I've got a stack of 80G drives there were in them, too. |
| 22:00.24 | programmerq | these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/iOmega-33409-StorCenter-Pro-NAS-400e-Expansion-Chassis-Array-1TB-1U-For-NAS-400r-/151792847949?hash=item23578f0c4d |
| 22:00.45 | jlp_znc | very similar... probably the older 300 model |
| 22:01.08 | programmerq | I'm out of ideas |
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| 22:08.36 | romanovic | jlp_znc: what sort of consulting do you offer? |
| 22:11.52 | jlp_znc | pretty much anything related to unix/linux. security stuff, custom scripting, database stuff (postgresql or mysql), virtualization. |
| 22:12.27 | jlp_znc | performance evaluation, troubleshooting, that kind of stuff. |
| 22:13.22 | bregalad | can you dance too? |
| 22:14.07 | jlp_znc | no, not so much. I can sort of weave around a bit if that helps. |
| 22:14.24 | jlp_znc | I don't do the Elain Benis thumbs up kick trick. |
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