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| 13:13.43 | eightyeight | spangborn: why? |
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| 18:08.52 | shalkie | eightyeight: Sorry I wasn't available last week. I was hiding by a lake under some lodge pole pines. :) |
| 18:09.41 | eightyeight | uh huh |
| 18:09.43 | eightyeight | :) |
| 18:15.41 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
| 18:15.41 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
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| 18:46.18 | jlp_znc | A man flying in a hot air balloon suddenly realizes he's lost. He reduces height and spots a man down below. He lowers the balloon further and shouts to get directions, "Excust me, can you tell me where I am?" The man below says "Yes. You're in a hot air balloon, hovering 30 feet above this field." |
| 18:46.37 | jlp_znc | "You must work in IT" says the balloonist. "I do" replies the man, "How did you know?" |
| 18:46.57 | jlp_znc | "Well," says the balloonist, "everything you have told me is technically correct, but it's of no use to anyone." |
| 18:47.12 | jlp_znc | The man below replies "You must work in management." |
| 18:47.26 | jlp_znc | "I do," replies the balloonist, "but how did you know?" |
| 18:47.57 | jlp_znc | "Well," says the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going, but you expect me to be able to help. You're in the same position you were before we met, but now it's my fault." |
| 18:49.02 | bregalad | lol |
| 18:52.46 | programmerq | that's pretty good. |
| 18:53.45 | Tod-Work_ | jlp_znc++ |
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| 18:54.28 | jlp_znc | how about this one: you know you're in IT if your pets are named "Cat 5" and "Cat 6" (and maybe "Cat 5e"). |
| 18:56.16 | Tod-Work | True. If you were a network engineer you'd use protocols |
| 18:58.20 | jalbretsen | jlp_znc: Story of my life these days. |
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| 19:01.51 | Tod-Work | jalbretsen, naming pets? |
| 19:02.13 | Jayce^ | jlp_znc: Cat VI |
| 19:02.41 | jlp_znc | Cat ed? no, doesnt work |
| 19:02.47 | Jayce^ | cat pipe? |
| 19:04.08 | jlp_znc | A man was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him and said "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess!" |
| 19:04.21 | jlp_znc | The man bent over, picked up the frog, and put it in his pocket. |
| 19:04.56 | jlp_znc | The frog spoke again, saying "If you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, I'll tell everyone how smart and brave you are and how you are my hero!" |
| 19:05.10 | jlp_znc | The man took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it, and put it back in. |
| 19:05.33 | jlp_znc | Again the frong spoke, "If you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful princess, I'll be your loving companion for an entire week!" |
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| 19:05.45 | jlp_znc | Again, the man took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it, and put it back. |
| 19:06.14 | jlp_znc | Getting desperate, the frog said "If you kiss me and turn me back into a princess, I'll stay with you for a year and do ANYTHING you want!" |
| 19:06.29 | jlp_znc | Once again, the man took the frog out of his pocket, smiled at it, and put it back. |
| 19:07.07 | jlp_znc | The puzzled frog finally asked "What is wrong with you? I've told you I'm a beautiful princess and I'll stay with you for a year and do anything you want! Why won't you kiss me?" |
| 19:07.38 | jlp_znc | The man took out the frog and looked at it kindly, and said "well, I'm a computer programmer. I don't have time for a girlfriend, but a talking frog is cool!" |
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| 19:20.03 | spangborn | I got a Dash button so I could hack it. |
| 19:21.30 | unum | anyone experience git log displaying something completely different then what is actually there |
| 19:21.42 | unum | when I pull the file up in vim I see an old version of the file |
| 19:21.58 | unum | when I pull up git log it shows the most recent changes being added |
| 19:26.48 | unum | ok I was just reading it all wrong |
| 19:26.50 | unum | whew |
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| 19:28.16 | spangborn | Reading is hard. |
| 19:28.36 | spangborn | I'm still not very good at it, at 28 years old. |
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| 20:46.55 | pashdown | righting is evan harderer |
| 20:51.24 | jalbretsen | sow is maths |
| 20:55.37 | eightyeight | <3 maths |
| 20:57.35 | spangborn | Great truncation there, LinkedIn. http://i.imgur.com/72YwApm.jpg |
| 21:01.27 | eightyeight | people still use linkedin? |
| 21:01.58 | bregalad | linkedout |
| 21:02.30 | joshh | i get using it as far as having an online resume and a mailbox full of recruiter offers that you might want to reply to someday, but i don't know why anyone actually uses it like an FB for work, as in actually sending "happy anniversary" messages and stuff |
| 21:03.43 | bregalad | if websites were newspapers, linkedin would be one of those plastic containers full of ads that you find near the entrances to sketchy grocery stores and strip malls |
| 21:04.38 | joshh | i think it does have value as far as finding candidates/jobs, or finding people that work somewhere, but it shouldn't be used for much more |
| 21:07.49 | bregalad | that's about all I use it for |
| 21:08.00 | eightyeight | i couldn't stand the noise from it |
| 21:08.25 | eightyeight | it never did anything for me, other than fill my mailbox with junk (and continues to do so, despite opting out of everything) |
| 21:09.22 | joshh | it's pretty popular here, but people here tend to switch jobs every year or two and at least talk to other companies often |
| 21:09.41 | joshh | for someone staying at a small company for a long time it would definitely be mostly spam |
| 21:12.17 | joshh | but ya, nobody needs 100 "joe says happy anniversary!" notifications from it |
| 21:12.40 | bregalad | if a company has turnover every 1-2 years I don't even want to know what their codebase looks like :-) |
| 21:12.46 | Tod-Work | linkedin is a door opener to a certain subset of the market, much like an active github will get you recruiters from a different subset |
| 21:13.32 | joshh | bregalad: startups are crazy, everything changes at them constantly, with good and bad code constantly coming and going but generally improving |
| 21:14.05 | joshh | someone will write something that only needs to last 4 months because by then there will be a whole team hired to do it differently/bigger |
| 21:14.38 | bregalad | that makes sense, I guess |
| 21:15.47 | joshh | and even after someone does something awesome that will last forever, some manager will move up and a new one comes in with their own agenda who likes another approach and brings in all his buddies to do it the way they did at company x, etc |
| 21:15.53 | programmerq | bregalad: a good number of decent recruiter encounters I've had were due to my having a decently up to date linked in profile. |
| 21:31.24 | shalkie | programmerq: Yeah, if you want to put out a flag for recruiters then LinkedIn is a good thing to keep current. :) |
| 21:32.19 | programmerq | it came in handy when my HP office went away, and again when I needed to find work when I lost my big contract |
| 21:33.00 | programmerq | I don't think I'm going anywhere anytime soon from my current company, but it's always a feel-good when you have a recruiter who has actually looked at your profile and found a very good candidate job for you that would actually be something you are interested in. |
| 21:33.14 | programmerq | with my linkedin profile, I feel appropriately appreciated regularly. |
| 21:34.18 | jalbretsen | I dislike every recruiter wants to be your connection on it. I'll only add or accept someone I've known long enough to give a thumbs up / thumbs down job recommendation |
| 21:34.41 | programmerq | same. I reject and report anyone who adds me that I don't know. |
| 21:35.11 | programmerq | I put in the "how to contact" section that they should send an inMail instead of an invite to connect |
| 21:35.13 | jalbretsen | if you are a recruiter that has found me a job that I've accepted..... then I'll add you. Maybe |
| 21:35.16 | programmerq | so it helps act as a filter |
| 21:35.32 | programmerq | I'll even add a recruiter if I've had an email conversation with them. |
| 21:35.47 | jalbretsen | I see them cycle in and out so fast |
| 21:36.12 | jalbretsen | Many times I've called and hears "Oh he / she is no longer with us" |
| 21:36.21 | jalbretsen | *heard |
| 21:36.30 | programmerq | yeah, I've seen that too. |
| 21:36.40 | programmerq | I guess they know where the better openings are since that is kind of what they do. :p |
| 21:36.50 | jalbretsen | ha |
| 21:37.09 | jalbretsen | The issue I've had lately is after interviews they promise feedback, and half the time I get crickets |
| 21:37.50 | programmerq | there was one recruiter I worked with this last time I was looking. he'd give me advice on interviews he didn't set me up with |
| 21:38.08 | programmerq | I sent their office an edible arrangements thing when I started the gig he didn't get me. |
| 21:38.24 | jalbretsen | I called a guy at one last week and pointed out it's been 3 months since an interview they sent me on and I've never heard back. "Uh, er, uh, er..." |
| 21:38.26 | joshh | companies rarely want to provide feedback after an interview with a nohire |
| 21:38.27 | programmerq | and I've sent half a dozen referrals or so. |
| 21:38.31 | joshh | too much liability if they say the wrong thing |
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| 21:39.07 | jalbretsen | well, feedback like "they've gone with another candidate" so I know the process is over is all I want |
| 21:39.19 | programmerq | yeah, they need to close the loop on you for sure. |
| 21:39.24 | programmerq | that's just unprofessional. |
| 21:39.29 | joshh | ya, that's true |
| 21:39.33 | programmerq | and an indicator of the company overall |
| 21:39.45 | joshh | but when people are like "hey can you tell me what i did bad", it can be problematic |
| 21:39.53 | jalbretsen | right |
| 21:39.54 | programmerq | when you go interview somewhere, you are interviewing the company just as much as they are interviewing you. |
| 21:40.33 | programmerq | I had an offer I didn't really want because of red flags, but it was good to have that offer in hand for negotiation. |
| 21:40.47 | programmerq | I won't say the company, but the words "gentoo in production" were uttered. |
| 21:41.19 | programmerq | as a recovering gentoo user myself, I shuttered a bit inside. |
| 21:41.32 | joshh | yikes |
| 21:41.56 | programmerq | I want to deface their ads with the words "these guys run gentoo in prod", but I never do. |
| 21:43.55 | bregalad | programmerq: you know that chromecastic or whatever it's called is based on gentoo, right? |
| 21:44.30 | programmerq | bregalad: embedded have different requirements |
| 21:45.08 | bregalad | so that makes it ok? |
| 21:45.18 | programmerq | yes |
| 21:45.41 | programmerq | you don't have sysadmins sshing in and running 'emerge world' while the chromecast is needing to stay up. |
| 21:45.45 | joshh | its definitely not nearly as bad |
| 21:46.08 | programmerq | where a server needs thinks like cpu resources and uptime and stuff |
| 21:46.30 | joshh | i haven't seen gentoo on a server since doing some side consulting for tiny places with no clue like 10 years ago |
| 21:46.31 | bregalad | what about lfs, good or bad for embedded? |
| 21:46.40 | programmerq | a gentoo base for an embedded device isn't such a big deal because any updates are going to be dropped as a firmware update |
| 21:46.52 | programmerq | same goes for lfs, busybox, or buildroot based systems as well |
| 21:46.59 | joshh | some guy had gentoo on this place's 3 boxes then abandoned them |
| 21:48.32 | bregalad | I still think you're doing it wrong if you setup a deployment without thinking through (or even having) an maintenance strategy |
| 21:48.54 | joshh | the number of places that do it wrong is unlimited |
| 21:48.56 | bregalad | because b you can argue that ugs in an embedded environment are even worse |
| 22:02.25 | programmerq | bregalad: that's where the red flag comes in for production-on-gentoo. a normal server workflow requires stability but up-to-date security. gentoo focuses on updates as a feature, which is only half the needed featureset for a server. |
| 22:02.59 | programmerq | and implementing that deployment and maintenance strategy on a bunch of gentoo servers is a higher man-hour cost than other distributions that are built specifically for servers. |
| 22:03.34 | programmerq | and anyone that did think through the maintenance strategy would know that about gentoo |
| 22:03.41 | programmerq | which begs the question why they went forward with it anyway |
| 22:03.57 | joshh | nobody knew better |
| 22:04.22 | joshh | so you can choose to work there and try to fix the problems and teach people, or you can pass on the place, your choice |
| 22:04.55 | programmerq | if I did end up there, I would have helped the already-in-progress move away from gentoo |
| 22:05.06 | programmerq | but it wouldn't have been anything that anyone would have had much time to do |
| 22:07.12 | jlp_znc | http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2015/08/20/0711-earth-attacks/ <- the real reason for the Fermi Paradox |
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