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| 00:18.41 | jlp_znc | he he he... we used to have a neighbor like that. "I see you went to JC Penneys?" "Uhm, yeah?" |
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| 11:23.21 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds |
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| 15:53.07 | Jayce^ | remember in the early 90's when only the complete social outcasts did anything with computers? it's totally no fair that they are the SR programmmers nowadays, total privilege |
| 15:56.08 | harleypig | Yeah, it's like ... we didn't want anything to do with them then ... they have to make room for us now. |
| 16:03.56 | unum | is still a social outcast |
| 16:10.32 | Jayce^ | yup |
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| 17:14.16 | jalbretsen | I was asked what kind of geek I was in an interview, and I said I venture out of my parent's basement about once a year. Does that count as a social outcast? |
| 17:14.56 | jima | self-imposed, sure |
| 17:16.00 | jima | although being in an interview brings serious credibility concerns to you being a social outcast. |
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| 17:32.45 | jalbretsen | I was joking, they all laughed, and then I gave them a real answer |
| 17:33.55 | jalbretsen | the moment I was told that IT shuts down during comic con, I knew I wanted to be part of the company. :) |
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| 17:44.15 | jlp_znc | heh. what company was that? |
| 17:45.05 | jlp_znc | one of the screening questions I was asked here (Verisys) was "star wars or star trek? which do you like and why?" |
| 17:45.33 | joshh | both is the only right answer |
| 17:46.02 | jlp_znc | in the two weeks I have bene here I have already heard various and sundry movie quotes from films such as "Up", "Finding Nemo", "Office Space", etc. |
| 17:46.08 | joshh | but then you need to go into detail about the different eras of trek, and prequels vs original, etc |
| 17:46.17 | joshh | are you not at bluehost now? |
| 17:46.42 | jlp_znc | joshh: you are right, of course. and in the discussion of why I had to explain why star trek was science fiction while star wars was space opera. |
| 17:46.56 | jlp_znc | I have been at Verisys for two weeks. |
| 17:47.08 | jlp_znc | bluehost did not work out. |
| 17:47.54 | joshh | ah, cool |
| 18:12.37 | jalbretsen | jlp_znc: In 2015, when someone asks me "Star Wars or Star Trek", my answer is "Doctor Who" |
| 18:13.46 | eightyeight | $ grep -v '[[:punct:]]' /usr/share/dict/words | sort -R --random-source=/dev/urandom | head -n 5 | paste -sd " " - |
| 18:13.53 | eightyeight | ^ generate "diceware-like" or "xkcd-like" words for passwords |
| 18:14.06 | eightyeight | "investor maizes motlier blocs saps" |
| 18:31.14 | joshh | jalbretsen: someone who stops caring about star* is a nohire |
| 18:31.45 | joshh | also the next choice is game of thrones, not doctor who |
| 18:32.17 | joshh | doctor who is just extra credit |
| 18:33.17 | eightyeight | i'm just past 50% in the 3rd book in the series |
| 18:33.28 | eightyeight | martin is not a good author |
| 18:33.51 | joshh | im a fairly big book fan |
| 18:34.04 | joshh | 3rd book is the best one also |
| 18:34.12 | joshh | but 2nd half is better |
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| 18:34.19 | eightyeight | agreed. it's certainly better than the first 2 |
| 18:34.23 | eightyeight | the 2nd was dismal |
| 18:35.00 | joshh | it had its moments though |
| 18:35.09 | joshh | what do you dislike about them |
| 18:35.45 | eightyeight | that's a loaded question. :) |
| 18:35.55 | joshh | well? |
| 18:35.59 | eightyeight | first, he's a dirty old man. no way around it. he's disguisting. |
| 18:36.34 | eightyeight | the incest, gratuitous rape, and child sex, is just wrong |
| 18:36.42 | eightyeight | i don't care if "that is what it was like in the dark ages" |
| 18:36.46 | eightyeight | i don't want to read it |
| 18:37.04 | eightyeight | second, he can't control pacing |
| 18:37.26 | eightyeight | some chapters progress the plot and story right along. but usually, it's a very. slow. burn. |
| 18:37.50 | eightyeight | third, there is something odd about his sentence structure and grammatical style, that makes him a hard read |
| 18:38.08 | Jayce^ | part way through the third book I just gave up on the series.. |
| 18:38.09 | eightyeight | i can't quite place my finger on it, but i find myself re-reading a lot of sentences and paragraphs |
| 18:38.16 | joshh | i'd say the first doesn't make him a bad author, but your opinion is valid. the pacing issues didn't bother me personally, but i recognized them. and i actually like his prose |
| 18:38.21 | Jayce^ | the desperation to kill anything good just gets old |
| 18:38.26 | eightyeight | fourth, he doesn't tie in his prologues |
| 18:38.38 | goozbach | I flew through the first four books and got bogged down in the middle of the fifth book |
| 18:38.44 | goozbach | that's the last one right? |
| 18:38.44 | eightyeight | he did with the 2nd book, but not the first, and i have yet to see if he does in the 3rd |
| 18:39.05 | eightyeight | fifth, he throws around names like there isn't a problem |
| 18:39.08 | joshh | i suggest sticking with it |
| 18:39.32 | eightyeight | here. let's name every jester, and knight, and sering girl, and her parents, and her grandparents, in one chapter |
| 18:39.35 | eightyeight | then never name them again |
| 18:39.39 | goozbach | if you need a break from GRRM try _The Martian_ by Andy Weir |
| 18:39.40 | joshh | but even if you hate the books, the show should still be enjoyable, which is the main thing i was referring to to jalbretson |
| 18:39.47 | goozbach | *EXCELLENT* book! |
| 18:39.48 | eightyeight | i don't hate the books |
| 18:39.56 | eightyeight | he's just not a good author |
| 18:40.17 | eightyeight | also, i feel he took too long introducing the magic system |
| 18:40.32 | joshh | he's taken too long on a lot of things in general |
| 18:40.39 | eightyeight | and it's so stereotypical fantasty: knights, princesses, lords, dragons, fighting, ... |
| 18:40.43 | joshh | we just have to hope there's a payoff at the end |
| 18:40.48 | joshh | in like 10 years |
| 18:40.55 | eightyeight | yeah. he's sitting on his laurels |
| 18:41.16 | joshh | r/asoiaf gets so pissed whenever he wastes time on a side project or something |
| 18:41.49 | eightyeight | i'll finish the series |
| 18:41.55 | eightyeight | and truth be told, it is a good story |
| 18:42.00 | eightyeight | you just need the patience to get through it |
| 18:42.45 | joshh | i took like 6 months to read the first 200 or so pages of lotr, but the rest of the book in about a week |
| 18:43.05 | joshh | with asoiaf and i read all 5 in about 1.5 months |
| 18:43.26 | joshh | but mainly because i was into the story and world etc, and i can easily forgive the flaws |
| 18:44.00 | eightyeight | next on my reading list is rothfuss "name of the wind" |
| 18:46.13 | Jayce^ | that's a great set |
| 18:46.19 | Jayce^ | but the third book isnt' out yet |
| 18:49.09 | eightyeight | what i've read up-to-today (that i can recall): http://ae7.st/p/2sv |
| 19:07.45 | romanovic | if you're having a hard time staying interested in GRRM, take a break, read the Stormlight Archive. Then you'll want to read his other series |
| 19:08.59 | romanovic | *Brandon Sanderson's, that is. Also, he won't leave you waiting for sequels because he writes about 1000% faster than GRRM. And he has progress bars on his websites so fans know how far along he is with upcoming books. http://brandonsanderson.com |
| 19:10.16 | romanovic | i started out with Hero of Ages, got hooked, and have read straight through everything he's ever written (almost). Haven't been disappointed in any of his books |
| 19:13.04 | romanovic | and his books don't sink to a GRRM level of literary depravity |
| 19:16.34 | jalbretsen | joshh: I never said I stopped caring about star*, just Doctor Who interests me more right now. Although if JJ does for Star Wars what he did for Star Trek, my answer will be both around December. |
| 19:17.08 | joshh | ya im hoping that new star wars is better than new trek |
| 19:17.15 | joshh | it probably will be though |
| 19:18.40 | jalbretsen | ya, considering that JJ was not a fan of Trek and made is awesome again, and he's a fan of Star Wars, I imagine he'll do even better with it |
| 19:19.16 | jalbretsen | wait, unless you're one of those clinging to your old VHS tapes screaming NOOOOOO JJ YOU RUINEDEDED MY CHILDHOOD!!!! |
| 19:19.25 | jalbretsen | ;) |
| 19:20.53 | jalbretsen | Benedict Cumberbatch would make a great Sith Lord |
| 19:24.13 | programmerq | benedict cumberbatch has been cast as a gungan |
| 19:33.57 | Tod-Work | <3 Benedict Cumberbatch |
| 19:35.46 | Tod-Work | Also, and this is important: all this talk of bad authors should be tempered with the fact (yes, fact) that Tolkien is a terrible author and the fantasy tropes we face are still sadly a byproduct of his books. |
| 19:36.06 | Tod-Work | If you actually enjoyed reading the trilogy, god help you |
| 19:36.26 | joshh | i'd say "terrible" is a bit srong |
| 19:36.28 | Tod-Work | http://store.sphero.com/products/bb-8-by-sphero |
| 19:36.38 | Tod-Work | joshh, fan fiction levels of bad |
| 19:36.59 | joshh | ya, i don't get that vibe at all |
| 19:38.55 | Tod-Work | I don't know what I'd do with a Sphero |
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| 20:07.57 | programmerq | Tod-Work: tolkien was very good at worldbuilding |
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| 20:21.01 | eightyeight | romanovic: yeah. i've read a ton of sanderson |
| 20:21.16 | eightyeight | i have very little of his left to read, before he releases his next mistborn next month |
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