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| 09:51.51 | frostyfrog | Any news about the starter volunteer stuff? I haven't seen any emails or anything yet... :/ |
| 09:52.18 | frostyfrog | S/starter/startfest/ |
| 09:53.11 | frostyfrog | passes out. |
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| 13:43.36 | frostyfrog | Darn, info bot doesn't have today yet... |
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| 13:53.28 | frostyfrog | Oh, nothing was posted anyways. |
| 13:53.34 | frostyfrog | Good morning everyone! :) |
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| 14:52.46 | programmerq | morning |
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| 15:24.00 | frostyfrog | I vote that TB should be 1024 GiB. |
| 15:24.17 | frostyfrog | is pretty sure they won't get very far with this vote. :( |
| 15:26.10 | eightyeight | the Bee Gees should have an album called "1024 G Bs" |
| 15:32.50 | levi | I used to be in the power-of-2 naming camp, but I have since changed my mind. |
| 15:35.39 | frostyfrog | I'm in a class at UVU, and onw of the Professor's slides said that a Kilobyte was 1024 bytes. :p |
| 15:40.02 | Tod-Work | Megabyte vs Mebibyte and all that |
| 15:41.07 | frostyfrog | nods. |
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| 15:53.12 | jlp_znc | he/she's probably just not up on the whole mega/mebi nonsense. you should "educate" him/her. |
| 15:54.49 | Jayce^ | no, it's a college, you have to use xe/xir pronouns now |
| 15:56.57 | jlp_znc | I thought it was ze and hir? |
| 15:57.09 | jlp_znc | or sie |
| 15:57.17 | Jayce^ | sie sind |
| 15:59.14 | jlp_znc | how about "thon"? no one uses that. |
| 16:00.26 | jlp_znc | I like the blended "he or she, it" -> h'orsh'it |
| 16:02.24 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 16:04.25 | Jayce^ | jlp_znc++ |
| 16:05.23 | RyanE | I don't much care, as long as I get more every time I look for a computer. |
| 16:06.33 | jlp_znc | moar storage! |
| 16:06.56 | frostyfrog | cares when they buy a TB drive and they expect 1024 GBs worth of disk space (or at least even meeting 1000GB) |
| 16:07.18 | jlp_znc | TB is a marketing term, not a scientific term. |
| 16:08.09 | jlp_znc | I love it when they include fine print saying "TB == 1000 GB" but fail to say that they mean that GB == 1000 MB and MB == 1000 KB and KB == 1000 B |
| 16:08.22 | jlp_znc | and don't even get me started on honeywell's use of nine bit bytes! |
| 16:08.44 | unum | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they#Older_usage_by_respected_authors |
| 16:08.46 | RyanE | On the list of things I care about, it's not at the top, or even the top 10. |
| 16:09.46 | Tod-Work | It doesn't exactly keep me up at night either. If it mattered and was a problem, I think the issue would be with my ability to plan, not the marketing |
| 16:10.43 | jlp_znc | and the PDP-10! wouldn't you think it would have 10 bit bytes? nope, just nine. |
| 16:10.58 | jlp_znc | who ever thought that was a good idea? |
| 16:11.26 | RyanE | It's a fantastic idea. How many times have you thought to yourself... If I only had one extra bit? :) |
| 16:11.30 | RyanE | ok, maybe not |
| 16:15.11 | jlp_znc | I understand why, though. with a 36 bit word, you could represent a 10 digit decimal number. |
| 16:15.42 | jlp_znc | most "high precision" mechanical calculators of the day could handle 10 digits. |
| 16:16.00 | jlp_znc | so obviously, the high falutin computer had better be able to do the same! |
| 16:16.15 | frostyfrog | Anyways... Has anyone else heard anything else about the computers for students and StartFEST? I haven't gotten any emails or any other notification. :S |
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| 16:45.56 | jlp_znc | way to kill a conversation, frostyfrog |
| 16:49.42 | frostyfrog | Xp didn't mean to, I just haven't heard anything else. |
| 16:56.18 | frostyfrog | Well, I guess I'll ask this then... Does the windows 10 privacy issues bother anyone else? |
| 17:02.49 | RyanE | It bothers you less if you don't use it. |
| 17:04.44 | jalbretsen | I'm happy to say I have not touched any Windows since version 7 |
| 17:05.48 | programmerq | frostyfrog: the privacy issues do bother me. this is why I did not immediately jump on windows 10 when it came out. I figured waiting a couple months would reveal the issues (and any possible solutions) |
| 17:06.02 | programmerq | I'm planning on buying a windows 10 pro license for my gaming rig |
| 17:06.29 | programmerq | granted, I want a very expensive gaming monitor and a bigger SSD for it too |
| 17:06.30 | joshh | what are the privacy issues... haven't had a windows since xp |
| 17:06.55 | programmerq | joshh: my understanding is it's basically "call home and give usage info" type stuff |
| 17:07.15 | programmerq | the bigger concern is that all that is on by default. |
| 17:07.56 | programmerq | and, their privacy policy basically says they can hand out your info at their discretion. |
| 17:10.50 | joshh | i wouldnt get overly hung up on it for a purely gaming setup i guess |
| 17:11.01 | programmerq | yeah, that's my thought. |
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| 17:11.07 | joshh | i care about privacy, but its already dead |
| 17:11.26 | programmerq | a win10 pro license is a bit pricey, I might drop down to the home version or whatever they call it. |
| 17:14.36 | joshh | young people do not care about privacy at all |
| 17:15.05 | joshh | kids these days have conversations about party plans and stuff on twitter |
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| 17:21.13 | jlp_znc | my daughter-in-law (almost 30) casually mentions on facebook when they are going to be out of town. I don't know why she doesn't add "so please burgle us like there's no tomorrow." |
| 17:21.29 | jlp_znc | (yeah, dremex, that's your wife :-) |
| 17:21.44 | Tod-Work | frostyfrog, the privacy issues are nonexistent to me |
| 17:21.51 | joshh | its like when people post their vacation pics constantly while the vacation is still ongoing |
| 17:22.27 | joshh | probably ok if your fb is locked down and fairly private but many people don't do that |
| 17:23.19 | Tod-Work | Really? How often per capita have people been robbed based on their vacation announcements? |
| 17:23.21 | d3c4f | Win10 really isn't any more concerning to me then Android, Google, or Apple. Microsoft is TBH the last person on this bandwagon. |
| 17:23.29 | d3c4f | Not that I like it. :S |
| 17:23.44 | Tod-Work | Or is this just more FUD from wives tales and nightly news reports? |
| 17:23.58 | d3c4f | MOST of the Win10 stuff that I have seen is indeed FUD |
| 17:24.11 | Tod-Work | d3c4f, or linux, for that matter, if you use a lot of popular stuff |
| 17:24.12 | d3c4f | the bulk of it is based on the free preview edition of Win10 |
| 17:24.50 | d3c4f | I absolutely love Linux/BSD, but I don't run it on any of my desktops. It just isn't the right fit for my desktop. |
| 17:24.51 | jlp_znc | http://www.inquisitr.com/68706/facebook-vacation-status-robbery/ |
| 17:25.15 | jlp_znc | Tod-Work: I don't work for an insurance company, so I don't have any actual numbers. |
| 17:25.18 | Tod-Work | jlp_znc, the plural of anecdote is not data |
| 17:25.36 | Tod-Work | It does indeed happen, but not randomly |
| 17:25.44 | d3c4f | jlp_znc, yeah, people share WAY too much about their lives online. :S |
| 17:26.55 | jlp_znc | http://www.brobible.com/life/article/break-in-insurance-companies-voided-selfies-vacation-photos/ |
| 17:27.08 | joshh | Tod-Work: you aren't supposed to be data driven with everything |
| 17:27.45 | Tod-Work | I'm not, but we're not talking about my behaviors, we're talking about all of society's |
| 17:28.24 | joshh | there is some stuff i need to see stats to believe, and others that just naturally make sense |
| 17:29.10 | Tod-Work | The end-point of this conversation is simply this: privacy does not exist, and it never has, and the fact that it's existing LESS is not corporations' fault, it's because outside some paranoia amongst nerds, nobody cares about privacy at all |
| 17:29.49 | Tod-Work | all we've done is make it easier to get at the same information there were hoops to before |
| 17:35.23 | jlp_znc | true, I no longer have to hire a private detective to find out what someone is doing... I can just follow them on twitter/facebook. |
| 17:35.37 | jlp_znc | they'll happily tell me everything. |
| 17:36.04 | joshh | i agree with you Tod-Work, nobody besides nerds and paranoid types ever cared much about privacy |
| 17:36.19 | joshh | even now only like 0.001% of americans care about the snowden revelations |
| 17:36.49 | joshh | and with millenials and younger it's even worse, they literally think everything should be public |
| 17:37.46 | joshh | how many of your non-nerdy relatives even know who snowden is |
| 17:43.35 | programmerq | joshh: that number changes once the snowden revelations are put into the context of dick pics. |
| 17:44.20 | programmerq | (I'm referring to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M ) |
| 17:44.32 | joshh | ya, he should have sold it that way, instead of "blah blah phone metadata" |
| 17:50.16 | programmerq | specifically, this bit: https://youtu.be/XEVlyP4_11M?t=1495 |
| 17:50.29 | programmerq | took longer to find the time that I wanted |
| 17:50.45 | frostyfrog | joshh: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/ |
| 17:59.34 | joshh | im not a huge fan of oliver's style but that was a pretty good snowden interview |
| 18:19.21 | programmerq | yeah |
| 18:19.49 | programmerq | what I like about oliver is his stuff isn't just another cookie cutter piece on whatever the subject is. |
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| 21:44.01 | RyanE | If you mention on $social_media$ that you're on vacation, maybe your neighbors who are your friends on $social_media$ will notice, and keep better watch on your house. |
| 21:51.14 | Tod-Work | My neighbor does that |
| 21:51.20 | Tod-Work | she's kinda nosy though |
| 21:57.36 | RyanE | nosy in a good way? |
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| 22:17.45 | programmerq | yeah, we keep an eye out if we know folks are out of town. |
| 22:37.02 | Tod-Work | technically she's just nosy, and it manifests itself with pros and cons. Pros: she totally notices when something's up in the neighborhood at just about any time. Cons: she totally notices whn something's up in the neighborhood at just about any time. |
| 22:40.06 | programmerq | lol |
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