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| 14:54.04 | eightyeight | http://fortyfivepolitics.com/utah-county-commissioner-admits-to-using-ashley-madison-but-denies-having-affair/ |
| 14:55.43 | Tod-Work | I'd just reply "what on earth does this matter?" |
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| 15:12.48 | unum | Tod-Work: a lot of voters feel like if you are immoral in aspect of your life you will be immoral in other aspects |
| 15:13.03 | Tod-Work | *relatively immoral |
| 15:13.12 | Tod-Work | on whatever it is their scale is that day |
| 15:13.13 | unum | s/in aspect/in one aspect |
| 15:13.25 | eightyeight | according to one comment in that article, he married in a temple in 2010 |
| 15:13.43 | eightyeight | so, either he registered with AM before his marriage, or a month into it |
| 15:14.03 | eightyeight | (the wedding in nov 2010) |
| 15:14.26 | Tod-Work | ok |
| 15:14.52 | unum | among mormons adultry is generally considered among the top of immoral activities |
| 15:15.10 | unum | of among many people running for office is the top immoral activity |
| 15:15.35 | unum | s/of// |
| 15:16.46 | eightyeight | i've found it interesting that all of the names released, minus 1, are "outstanding, god fearing, family values, christians" |
| 15:17.21 | eightyeight | i haven't heard of athiest, jew, muslim, satanist, etc. names (except for one gay muslim registered with the site) |
| 15:17.26 | Tod-Work | you mean of the ones highly publicized to critical evaluation |
| 15:17.55 | eightyeight | correct |
| 15:19.09 | shalkie | A few years ago it was discovered the Mayor of Brigham City was having an affair and the city council curtailed his authority over it. |
| 15:20.17 | shalkie | I think the bigger question is if this was a matter of violation of trust with their partner. |
| 15:20.34 | Tod-Work | large media organizations and a good half of political bloggers seem to really like sticking it to christianity in general |
| 15:20.42 | Tod-Work | which I think is just incredibly stupid |
| 15:20.43 | shalkie | I wouldn't have an issue with an elected official having an affair if the partner was aware and okay with it. |
| 15:21.36 | eightyeight | i wouldn't care so much, if the outed christians weren't so outspoken about their beliefs |
| 15:22.00 | shalkie | The hypocrispy does run a bit thick. |
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| 15:22.25 | eightyeight | hypocrites are hypocrites. i just find it interesting that of the hypocrites mentioned thus far are _very_ outspoken "family values" type of christians |
| 15:22.41 | shalkie | s/spy/sy |
| 15:28.29 | Tod-Work | Personally I just don't care. Christian values are losing SO much ground to data from testing these "values" and some of them stand up to those tests and some of them don't. Just having the values for the values sake seems silly, but I've never cared if someone was rational and consistent, or I'd have very little interactions with humans in general |
| 15:28.57 | Tod-Work | Condemn behaviors, not people, I guess |
| 15:29.39 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/JohnFugelsang/status/634030088514760704 |
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| 15:31.40 | Jayce^ | given graves background, I'm not surprised. He only got elected through some rather fancy footwork, and narrowly avoided some big consequences from that |
| 15:31.58 | Jayce^ | met him at convention, hated him right away |
| 15:32.55 | eightyeight | there are 88 nicks in the channel. just sayin'. |
| 15:52.08 | levi | Tod-Work: The issue is when people who *are* loudly condemning behaviors that people commonly engage in are found to be engaging in those activities as well. That kind of thing tends to draw criticism of the person regardless of whether or not there's religion involved. |
| 15:53.40 | Tod-Work | levi, yeah, which I'm all about discrediting that |
| 15:54.26 | levi | Although given how common some level of hypocrisy is among people, pointing it out in others is inherently troublesome. |
| 15:56.34 | Tod-Work | There's a lot of trouble with criticizing people in general. Criticizing ideas is less frought. Criticizing policy is somewhere between |
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| 15:59.26 | eightyeight | all of AM is schadenfreude |
| 16:01.46 | unum | what gets me is when they are advocating for public policy that is contrary to their behavior |
| 16:02.25 | unum | so they'll sit in a hearing and talk about how we can't tell kids what a condom is and how effective it is because that will lead to them having sex with someone who isn't their wife |
| 16:02.42 | unum | then you find out these same people are having sex with someone who isn't their wife |
| 16:16.19 | Tod-Work | yeah, but their actions and their desired goals for setting policy are separate issues |
| 16:16.46 | Tod-Work | I get why it makes them hypocritical, but it's stupid to think that BECAUSE they're hypocritical it means their policy is invalid |
| 16:17.22 | Tod-Work | even invalidating their reasoning for proposing the policy doesn't invalidate their policy for its stated goals |
| 16:17.26 | unum | right I think their policy is invalid with out the hypocracy, I just like to point out the hypocracy |
| 16:17.46 | Tod-Work | yeah, it's fun, because we're all children in the end |
| 16:17.56 | unum | :) |
| 16:18.10 | Tod-Work | politics is just the playground adults like to pretend bullying matters in |
| 16:41.38 | eightyeight | https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10-tg_e20150827-tg.htm#e20150827-tg_wlog-10-tg |
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| 16:49.03 | Tod-Work | eightyeight, I'm pretty sure that's using python2 |
| 16:50.16 | Tod-Work | I won't defend python on its unicode handling, but he could at least know what he's talking about when making the comparison instead of throwing up his hands like "It gives me errors, bah!" |
| 16:50.18 | eightyeight | it is |
| 16:50.56 | eightyeight | $ python2 -c 'import sys; print(sys.argv[1][:12])' $x |
| 16:50.58 | eightyeight | ï¤ï¤ï¤ï¤ |
| 16:51.03 | eightyeight | $ python3 -c 'import sys; print(sys.argv[1][:12])' $x |
| 16:51.05 | eightyeight | ï¤ï¤ï¤ï¤ï¤ï¤
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| 16:52.11 | eightyeight | it's entertaining to me that he complains about not being able to comment on the original post, because it requires a "proprietary Google+ account" |
| 16:52.24 | eightyeight | yet i'm failing to find any comment form at all on his retort |
| 16:52.57 | Tod-Work | but you can email him, isn't that good enough? =cP |
| 16:53.30 | eightyeight | despite his blog being mirbsd.org, it showed up on the debian planet also |
| 16:55.29 | Tod-Work | Just for the record: shell is terrible as a programming language. Scripting, sure, but apples and oranges to programming languages |
| 16:56.19 | eightyeight | absolutely |
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| 17:02.02 | bregalad | what about mangos and coconuts? |
| 17:02.35 | Tod-Work | both nasty |
| 17:02.53 | bregalad | don't they deserve to be compared sometimes? |
| 17:07.28 | rsimpkins | Tod-Work: scripting != programming? |
| 17:08.09 | Tod-Work | there's not a fine line between the two, it's blurry as hell, but they are generally different aims, no? |
| 17:08.12 | joshh | to be fair he does say a python3 thing at the end, and most places still use python2 |
| 17:08.34 | bregalad | what's python3 a snake with 3 heads? |
| 17:09.12 | rsimpkins | bregalad: python - enterprise version. :) |
| 17:09.21 | Tod-Work | moar xml |
| 17:09.35 | joshh | but it reads like someone being too upset that someone else is might be wrong on the internet |
| 17:09.58 | rsimpkins | Tod-Work: I suppose it depends on how broadly one defines 'programming' and 'scripting'. |
| 17:11.32 | Tod-Work | You sound like a sysadmin |
| 17:11.55 | eightyeight | joshh: click through on the 'it' link |
| 17:11.58 | rsimpkins | Tod-Work: If a sysadmin builds it, it isn't programming. |
| 17:12.00 | eightyeight | that's who he's replying to |
| 17:12.13 | Tod-Work | pfft, it can be |
| 17:12.28 | eightyeight | rsimpkins: i resemble that comment! |
| 17:12.45 | joshh | i did |
| 17:13.11 | rsimpkins | eightyeight: So do I. So do I. :( |
| 17:13.14 | joshh | which does make the other link even dumber |
| 17:13.28 | eightyeight | circlejerking |
| 17:13.37 | rsimpkins | Every sysadmin I know aspires to be a programmer some day. Myself included. |
| 17:13.38 | Tod-Work | Like I said, the line is incredibly blurry between the two aims. I think axioms that eliminate some classification as "not programming" or "not scripting" aren't very useful |
| 17:14.14 | eightyeight | i actually do my best to stay on top of node, perl, and python for my sysadmin duties |
| 17:14.16 | Tod-Work | sysadmins just happen to trend much more to what we call "glue" |
| 17:14.27 | eightyeight | ^ this |
| 17:14.30 | Tod-Work | they don't have to stay on that end of the spectrum, though |
| 17:14.36 | rsimpkins | Glue. At least I know how you really feel. |
| 17:14.48 | Tod-Work | is a sysadmin |
| 17:14.55 | Tod-Work | among other hats, mind |
| 17:15.00 | Tod-Work | I'm also in marketing! |
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| 17:15.05 | Tod-Work | loath me! |
| 17:15.09 | Tod-Work | s/loath/loathe/ |
| 17:15.09 | eightyeight | feels for Tod-Work |
| 17:15.37 | bregalad | many sysadmins I know, including eightyeight and rsimpkins, would make fine programmers |
| 17:15.42 | eightyeight | BLZbubba: if you set your freenode password as the 'server password' in your irc client, your cloak will be applied before joining channels |
| 17:15.52 | joshh | a non-sysadmin programmer told me the other day "this is good but, tests?" i said "ops guys don't write tests" and he replies "i know :)" |
| 17:15.56 | joshh | so i think that's the difference |
| 17:16.01 | eightyeight | BLZbubba: fyi |
| 17:16.09 | fozzmoo | is a developer who frequently misses sysadmining. |
| 17:16.23 | bregalad | programming is not hard |
| 17:16.27 | RyanE | sysadmins tend to admin systems. |
| 17:16.33 | bregalad | it is in fact embarrassingly boring much of the time |
| 17:16.46 | eightyeight | joshh: unit tests? try/catch logic? qa? what are these things of which you imply? |
| 17:16.54 | joshh | unit |
| 17:17.06 | joshh | in this case |
| 17:17.38 | joshh | try/catch is a must for everyone, and qa is some other type of people |
| 17:17.44 | joshh | who are crazy |
| 17:17.47 | eightyeight | read about it once. in closed captioning on a CSI episode. |
| 17:18.29 | fozzmoo | "All tests passed. I'm in." |
| 17:18.36 | joshh | also we can write tests, we just don't often because we're always in a hurry |
| 17:19.06 | eightyeight | unit tests are so mundane |
| 17:19.11 | eightyeight | #yolo |
| 17:20.07 | joshh | i hate the "write tests first and watch them fail" philosophy, my brain just can't do that |
| 17:20.26 | joshh | i have to get things working and then add tests |
| 17:20.53 | joshh | and by then im onto the next important task |
| 17:21.46 | Tod-Work | test first is about writing your requirements in code rather than prose |
| 17:21.50 | Tod-Work | it has its merits |
| 17:21.52 | jalbretsen | is a sysadmin who frequently misses sysadmining because he has to do everything else IT. |
| 17:26.09 | joshh | are you at a tiny company? |
| 17:46.52 | jalbretsen | joshh: Ya, and it went from tiny to tiny-er a couple of years ago, and that's when I inherited everything else IT. |
| 17:47.32 | joshh | i feel for you |
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| 18:10.40 | shalkie | Huh, Planned Parenthood had the video(s) about the reclemation of fetal tissue submitted to forensic analysis. They found large amounts of editing even on the Full Footage video: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/27/435182807/planned-parenthood-fights-back?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=storiesfromnpr |
| 18:15.23 | RyanE | proving "large amounts of editing" isn't likely to change opinions that the people in the videos appear to be soulless, money-grubbing sickos. |
| 18:15.55 | RyanE | not that they're necessarily breaking any laws, but they're pretty callous to what many people consider to be human life. |
| 18:17.33 | fozzmoo | Ditto. |
| 18:20.56 | RyanE | I think you'd be hard-pressed to find *anything* shown on TV News or (previously) "The Daily Show" that wasn't highly edited, occasionally to change the meaning of the speakers... :) |
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| 18:39.33 | keldwud | fuckin christ |
| 18:39.41 | keldwud | why can'tthe cops leave my daughter alone |
| 18:39.56 | keldwud | shit. I didn't get their calls this morning because my phone was daed |
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| 18:47.32 | keldwud | christ. they detained her again |
| 18:47.36 | keldwud | and kept her from catching her bus |
| 18:47.46 | keldwud | I'm ready to lose my temper over this |
| 18:48.04 | joshh | wat |
| 18:48.44 | jlp_znc | is there some busybody neighbor that is seeing her out there waiting for the bus and is thinking they are doing you a favor by calling the cops? |
| 18:48.58 | jlp_znc | or are the cops just happening to drive by and are taking it upon themselves to annoy your daughter? |
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| 18:52.43 | keldwud | I don't know |
| 18:52.47 | keldwud | I need to take this up with the city |
| 18:52.55 | keldwud | it is becoming a damned nuisance |
| 18:52.59 | jlp_znc | is it the same cops every time? or different ones? |
| 18:53.02 | keldwud | and I'm sorry for my swearing, guys |
| 18:53.06 | keldwud | it's different cops each time |
| 18:53.13 | keldwud | but it's the SAME SPOT every time |
| 18:53.25 | jlp_znc | did you ever talk to the mayor as I suggested? |
| 18:53.28 | keldwud | no |
| 18:53.32 | keldwud | but I need to now |
| 18:53.44 | jlp_znc | yeah, you do. maybe talk to the police chief, too. |
| 18:54.24 | joshh | your daughter gets held up by cops while waiting for buses? |
| 18:54.36 | joshh | and it happens a lot? |
| 18:54.40 | jlp_znc | the word needs to get out to the patrol officers |
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| 18:55.15 | jlp_znc | joshh: his daughter is only, like, eight years old, so I assume some busybody is thinking that a parent should be hovering over her at all times. |
| 18:55.32 | keldwud | I think I'd have this problem even if she were 12 |
| 18:56.28 | joshh | i get a bit concerned when i see kids alone around that age but it hapens enough that im surprised cops do anything about it |
| 18:56.36 | joshh | maybe the cops are just extremely bored where you live |
| 18:57.03 | keldwud | I'm also gonna get in touch with an attorney |
| 18:57.10 | keldwud | because at this point it's fuckin harassment |
| 18:57.20 | keldwud | seriously |
| 18:57.23 | keldwud | if you did that to an adult? |
| 18:57.30 | keldwud | made them deal with the cops once a week? |
| 18:57.34 | keldwud | and there was nothing wrong? |
| 18:58.19 | joshh | she was just waiting for a bus to go to school? schoolbus or UTA? |
| 18:58.29 | jlp_znc | have you been able to determine if they are there on a complaint (like, someone called in) or if they are just driving by? |
| 19:00.12 | keldwud | joshh, UTA |
| 19:00.32 | keldwud | jlp_znc, you mean I can call the cops on somebody regularly and not get in trouble for harassment? |
| 19:00.43 | keldwud | all I have to do is say that I'm concerned or scared? |
| 19:00.51 | joshh | i think you're pushing the borderline of free range social acceptability |
| 19:00.59 | joshh | but you would think 1 or 2 talks with the cops would solve it |
| 19:01.10 | joshh | instead of this repeated issue you're having |
| 19:02.09 | joshh | also fwiw im a bit on the cautious side as a parent, wife has those creepy kidnapper killer forensics shows on too much |
| 19:02.37 | keldwud | joshh, I understand people's fears |
| 19:02.48 | keldwud | and I've researched to make sure it was safe |
| 19:03.01 | keldwud | did you know that the violent crime rate in provo is half that of the country's? |
| 19:03.18 | joshh | i knew it was low |
| 19:03.25 | joshh | imo it's not about the stats though |
| 19:03.27 | keldwud | did you also know that you can count the number of murders and kidnappings on one hand in the last five years? |
| 19:03.30 | keldwud | it is, though |
| 19:03.36 | keldwud | it is all about probability |
| 19:03.53 | jlp_znc | joshh lives in san francisco |
| 19:03.56 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 19:03.57 | joshh | you hear about 4-6 cases a year of kid kidnappes or crosswalk hits or something like that. |
| 19:03.58 | keldwud | she would have to go out there millions of times before it was statistically significant that she gets hurt |
| 19:04.20 | keldwud | I wouldn't let my daughter out if she didn't have some situational awareness |
| 19:04.28 | keldwud | I've been practicing and teaching her since she was 4 |
| 19:04.31 | joshh | just small stuff like extra caution on riding the bus alone will lower the odds of it being yours |
| 19:04.33 | keldwud | I'm always drilling her |
| 19:04.38 | jlp_znc | keldwud: yeah, I think that's true. you can call and complain because you feel scared or concerned and the cops will go check it out. |
| 19:05.11 | keldwud | she knows her phone number, her address, not to get in people's cars even when they offer mcdonalds, etc |
| 19:05.13 | joshh | i definitely respect your choice and the way you teach her |
| 19:05.20 | joshh | and would not judge you in any way for being a bit looser |
| 19:05.28 | joshh | and when i was a kid i definitely had almost no supervision |
| 19:05.37 | joshh | but ya im more careful now heh |
| 19:05.40 | jlp_znc | we have a neighbor who has complained to the city several times that our property is "not up to standards for the neighborhood". I had a nice chat with the codes enforcement officer one time and he said "there's really nothing we can do about it when they call in, we have to go check it out." |
| 19:05.54 | keldwud | wow |
| 19:06.00 | keldwud | there's a loophole ripe for abuse |
| 19:06.17 | jlp_znc | the officer comes by, we visit a bit, and off he goes. |
| 19:06.19 | keldwud | maybe if I don't get a proper response from the police chief or the mayor, I call the cops on them |
| 19:06.23 | keldwud | out of concern |
| 19:06.31 | keldwud | whenever I see their kids out in public |
| 19:06.34 | jlp_znc | if you knew who they were. |
| 19:06.49 | keldwud | I'm not really going to, of course |
| 19:06.57 | keldwud | I'm just thinking with my lizard brain because I'm pissed :( |
| 19:07.10 | jlp_znc | yeah, I know the feeling. |
| 19:07.35 | joshh | what is the actual law on that stuff, if any |
| 19:07.48 | Tod-Work | https://twitter.com/keldwud you? |
| 19:10.04 | joshh | seems likely |
| 19:11.54 | Tod-Work | keldwud, didn't make the business cards yet, right? |
| 19:13.17 | bregalad | kids who ride public transit become terrorists |
| 19:15.02 | Tod-Work | s/become/are/ |
| 19:15.39 | bregalad | lol |
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| 19:23.49 | unum | I'd actually argue keldwud's kid is less likely to be kidnapped than most. You look at the Smart case, in her bedroom behind locked doors |
| 19:24.05 | unum | her parents had never talked to her about how to handle a kidnapping |
| 19:24.48 | unum | someone put the idea of kidnapping in my daughters head, so one time when I told her to go and play she said something about it. I told her to kick, scream, bite, etc if someone tried to take her |
| 19:25.03 | unum | she was suprised by that because we're always trying to teach her to not do those things |
| 19:25.14 | unum | but now she knows don't go with someone you don't want to |
| 19:25.33 | unum | of course there's always the issue of them threatening the family, that how a lot of abductors work |
| 19:25.38 | unum | not sure the best way to counter that |
| 19:27.02 | keldwud | Tod-Work, obviously I haven't made the cards yet :) |
| 19:27.44 | keldwud | I lost the perfect phrasing that I thought I had saved in a text document :( |
| 19:31.23 | keldwud | thank you for the backup, unum |
| 19:32.07 | keldwud | I sometimes get stuck in these conversations where it's a losing battle because nobody takes it seriously because the fear of kids being kidnapped is greater than rationality |
| 19:32.35 | bregalad | keldwud: yeah, sounds like the cops and the idle busybodies are totally in the wrong |
| 19:33.29 | bregalad | if they have picked up you kid so many times, you would think that cops would know their beat well enough to say, 'oh, there's keldwud's kid waiting for the bus. Looks like she's ok' and then drive on |
| 19:36.39 | keldwud | I have an appointment with an attorney tomorrow morning |
| 19:36.44 | keldwud | right after my job interview |
| 19:36.47 | keldwud | with SuSe |
| 19:36.48 | keldwud | heh |
| 19:41.18 | keldwud | man. now I don't have enough sleep before work tonight... then I'm going to an interview after I get off work.... |
| 19:41.19 | keldwud | not good |
| 19:41.56 | Tod-Work | such is the terror of graveyard |
| 19:43.19 | joshh | what role at suse |
| 19:43.41 | bregalad | I know some SuSE guys |
| 19:45.49 | Tod-Work | http://i.imgur.com/bX5X58i.png |
| 19:46.53 | keldwud | Technical Architect Engineer |
| 19:46.56 | keldwud | I'm super excited |
| 19:47.03 | keldwud | I met them out at LinuxCon |
| 19:47.28 | joshh | sweet |
| 19:47.37 | keldwud | Tod-Work, wtf? :) |
| 19:47.47 | Tod-Work | planking gone wrong? |
| 19:48.09 | keldwud | my biggest fear about getting jobs in the area is that somebody might remember me from IRC and know some of my personal quirks |
| 19:48.22 | keldwud | and I fear that it may someday influence the decision negatively :) |
| 19:48.29 | keldwud | irrational fears, I know |
| 19:49.13 | keldwud | I should be "studying" for my interview |
| 19:49.19 | Tod-Work | I have worse paranoia almost constantly. I empathize. |
| 19:49.45 | keldwud | my paranoia is "oh you're the guy that neglects his kid and doesn't give her a ride to school, we're not hiring" |
| 19:50.08 | keldwud | so I googled salary ranges for this position, maybe you guys could give me some feedback on it as well? |
| 19:50.18 | keldwud | the national range was 67 - 120k |
| 19:50.31 | keldwud | the local midpoint was around 83k |
| 19:51.15 | keldwud | one of the first questions in most of my interviews has always been "what's your asking salary, and what is your current salary" |
| 19:51.27 | keldwud | and I have such a difficult time answering those that I flub it a lot |
| 19:51.51 | keldwud | because I don't have enough confidence when discussing salaries. any tips or advice? |
| 19:52.01 | bregalad | I think you can ask usually ask for a reasonable increase on what you currently have |
| 19:52.09 | keldwud | like 15%? |
| 19:52.11 | bregalad | like 10-20% |
| 19:52.14 | keldwud | okay cool |
| 19:52.27 | bregalad | more depending on how confident you are :-) |
| 19:52.31 | keldwud | yeah, I lack in the confidence department |
| 19:52.35 | keldwud | and I pay for it |
| 19:52.45 | bregalad | and depending on how bad you want the job, you can accept less if they offer a little less than what you asked for |
| 19:52.49 | keldwud | if I had more confidence and self esteem, I'd probably be making 100k by now |
| 19:54.29 | keldwud | for example, I helped roll out infrastructure from the ground up (racking and stacking, provisioning, networking, monitoring, etc) |
| 19:54.48 | keldwud | but when I present myself, I just can't sell it |
| 19:55.01 | keldwud | and I get way too shy and humble about my experience |
| 19:55.13 | keldwud | so I act like somebody who hasn't done that before |
| 19:55.48 | bregalad | that can be hard, but facts are things you can rely on :) |
| 19:58.05 | bregalad | it helps me to make it more of an intellectual argument: "I have this experience, and can do all these things. A reasonable salary for someone with these qualifications is this" |
| 20:00.36 | keldwud | I always get nervous the day before an interview |
| 20:00.56 | keldwud | like anxiety type nervous |
| 20:01.10 | keldwud | whenever I have been able to get rid of the anxiety, I get the job |
| 20:01.25 | keldwud | but usually the anxiety sticks and it comes out in my interviews |
| 20:01.31 | joshh | just tell them the salary that you want to get/expect, unless it's totally unreasonable you might not get any pushback |
| 20:01.52 | joshh | don't leave it up to them to give you a number or base something on your current level |
| 20:02.14 | bregalad | almost all job interviews I've done I was rejected because the interviewers were bad at interviewing |
| 20:02.19 | keldwud | yeah I think I'll go with 85 or 90 based on my research |
| 20:02.26 | keldwud | knowing me, I'll probably say 85, though |
| 20:02.28 | joshh | and of course the better you do interviewing the smoother that part will go |
| 20:02.47 | bregalad | I guess they might have had some nontechnical reasons they didn't like me, but interviews are for sellers |
| 20:02.57 | keldwud | exactly |
| 20:03.09 | keldwud | sucks that it's that way, but it's reality |
| 20:03.29 | keldwud | I'm nervous because this is a dream position :) |
| 20:03.42 | keldwud | I'd get to do all the things that I love to do |
| 20:03.58 | bregalad | but it also filters out incompetent employers for me, at least that's what I tell myself |
| 20:04.18 | joshh | i think almost every company is bad at interviewing |
| 20:04.22 | keldwud | bregalad, hah. There's a term for that, I forget what it was. |
| 20:04.29 | keldwud | It's similar to confirmation bias |
| 20:04.45 | keldwud | but it is specific to after the fact rationalizations when something doesn't go the way you expected |
| 20:04.52 | keldwud | like "oh I didn't want it anyway" |
| 20:04.58 | keldwud | wish I could remember what it was called |
| 20:05.11 | fadein | utt |
| 20:05.37 | keldwud | utt? that's a strange psychological term |
| 20:05.40 | keldwud | googles utt |
| 20:06.27 | keldwud | it's probably in this list |
| 20:06.27 | keldwud | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases |
| 20:07.35 | fadein | keldwud: I was trying to switch from irssi to mutt in my tmux session, but fatfingered it |
| 20:07.36 | keldwud | also, joshh thank you for the supportive words. I do get a bit defensive and reactionary when people don't feel the same as me and I sometimes act overly defensive so your words helped me not be as overly defensive. |
| 20:08.04 | keldwud | fadein, I figured it was something like that, I was just being a smart-ass and running with it |
| 20:08.04 | bregalad | I was rejected almost 30 times before I got my last job, but the guy who hired me turned out to have sociopathic habits |
| 20:08.10 | keldwud | because I'm awake when I should be asleep |
| 20:08.12 | joshh | np |
| 20:08.14 | keldwud | so I'm rambling on IRC |
| 20:08.31 | fadein | keldwud: well, you just keep on keepin' on, then! |
| 20:08.41 | fadein | and good luck with the interview! |
| 20:08.45 | keldwud | especially since I'm elevated from the kid situation, and heightened because of the interview tomorrow |
| 20:08.52 | keldwud | so I'm a chatty cathy :) |
| 20:09.18 | keldwud | I talk a lot when I'm experiencing elevated and heightened awareness |
| 20:09.27 | joshh | indeed |
| 20:09.28 | RyanE | oh, keldwud... he's that guy who swears a lot on IRC... :) |
| 20:09.42 | keldwud | RyanE, hah. Way to feed into my paranoia :) |
| 20:09.49 | RyanE | heh |
| 20:10.19 | RyanE | sorry. I don't interview well. Until this job, I've always gotten jobs that I didn't actually interview for, and none that I interviewed for. |
| 20:10.20 | keldwud | Since I met these guys in a social setting where there was beer, I shouldn't be *too* uptight when I go to my interview, I'll probably be a little bit relaxed |
| 20:10.21 | keldwud | hopefully |
| 20:10.28 | keldwud | RyanE, I'm the same way |
| 20:10.31 | RyanE | you've already passed the "pre-interview" |
| 20:10.41 | RyanE | you're probably more than halfway there. |
| 20:11.01 | RyanE | and this job, I interviewed, but my current situation was pretty good, so I didn't *need* the job. |
| 20:11.05 | keldwud | oh I think I am. The conference ended Wednesday and the emailed me first thing Monday asking for a same day interview |
| 20:11.14 | RyanE | I'm sure you'll be fine. |
| 20:11.20 | keldwud | and then I responded Wednesday and she responded back immediately asking if Friday was good |
| 20:11.33 | RyanE | as long as you can keep your potty mouth under control, damnit. :) |
| 20:11.38 | keldwud | haha |
| 20:12.00 | keldwud | yeah, I feel bad for the swear when I first came in. It's not respectful to some of the demographic in here |
| 20:12.16 | keldwud | I could have chosen a different one, but when we are emotional, the last thing on our minds is being rational. |
| 20:13.12 | keldwud | that list of cognitive biases is a fun read |
| 20:13.18 | joshh | men aren't supposed to be emotionally driven though |
| 20:14.19 | joshh | (mostly joking) |
| 20:15.03 | keldwud | hah, I know, I still get some crazy religious ladies who are all aghast that a man is raising a child alone |
| 20:15.12 | keldwud | and they think that men aren't "built" to rear children |
| 20:15.23 | keldwud | so they are in constant fear of my daughter's well being |
| 20:15.33 | keldwud | and think that she never gets bathed or fed, or the house cleaned, etc |
| 20:15.49 | keldwud | because those are "things that men can't do, those are things that women do" |
| 20:16.01 | bregalad | tell them to mind their own damn business :-) |
| 20:16.11 | RyanE | are you sure you're not a bit overly sensitive and maybe borderline paranoid about what your neighbors might think? |
| 20:16.11 | keldwud | bregalad, that would require confidence :) |
| 20:16.18 | keldwud | RyanE, umm... |
| 20:16.21 | keldwud | I mean |
| 20:16.22 | RyanE | heh. Sorry. |
| 20:16.24 | joshh | how do you get into a situation where there are ladies like that telling you those things |
| 20:16.30 | keldwud | you'd have a point if my kid wasn't always dealing with the cops |
| 20:16.34 | RyanE | you're hanging out with the wrong ladies. |
| 20:16.38 | keldwud | or if I hadn't have dealt with CPS on multiple occasion |
| 20:16.44 | RyanE | that truly sucks. |
| 20:16.52 | keldwud | it's because I'm a single dad in Provo |
| 20:17.04 | RyanE | and I'm definitely on your side with the Free Range stuff. |
| 20:17.04 | joshh | stop going to the bingo parlor |
| 20:17.04 | joshh | and move to slc |
| 20:17.10 | keldwud | the likelihood of me talking with women of that nature is too damn high |
| 20:17.17 | bregalad | yeah, slc ftw :) |
| 20:17.18 | keldwud | I miss slc :( |
| 20:17.27 | keldwud | I got my daughter into a good charter school down here |
| 20:17.32 | keldwud | that's why I haven't gone back to slc |
| 20:17.35 | RyanE | but she has to take UTA to get there? |
| 20:17.36 | bregalad | get out of that purgatory they call Provo |
| 20:17.56 | keldwud | RyanE, charter schools still have shitty funding just like public schools |
| 20:18.09 | RyanE | understood. |
| 20:18.15 | keldwud | also, kids come from Lehi, Springville, etc |
| 20:18.22 | RyanE | I meant it's far away... |
| 20:18.27 | keldwud | it wouldn't be practical to have a bus since kids come from all over the county |
| 20:18.43 | keldwud | heck, there are even kids from the other side of the lake |
| 20:18.45 | RyanE | where is this particular charter school was more my question. |
| 20:18.56 | keldwud | oh sorry, walden elementary, near riverwoods |
| 20:19.07 | joshh | the private elementary schools here cost like 2-3k per month per kid, most are at the various catholic cathedral/school combo things around the neighborhood |
| 20:19.17 | joshh | they're supposed to be super quality though |
| 20:19.20 | keldwud | holy crap! |
| 20:19.21 | RyanE | private != charter |
| 20:19.25 | keldwud | 2k per month? |
| 20:19.36 | keldwud | 3k per month is almost more than my salary! |
| 20:19.45 | keldwud | oh yeah, that's the bay area, though, isn't it? |
| 20:19.45 | joshh | on the low end ya... a lot of people basically pay college money for private preschool/elementary |
| 20:19.49 | RyanE | more than my house payment. |
| 20:19.52 | joshh | really surprised me when i moved here |
| 20:20.10 | joshh | my kids go to a public one nearby and it's pretty awesome, though it doesn't get a ton of funding |
| 20:20.11 | keldwud | I guess I could look at schools up in SLC |
| 20:20.17 | keldwud | and sign up on a list for lotteries up there |
| 20:20.19 | joshh | but a lot of the rich people are afraid of public schools |
| 20:20.41 | keldwud | I'm not rich and I'm afraid of not public schools, but the kids who go to them |
| 20:20.54 | RyanE | keldwud: If you get the job you're applying for, do you move? |
| 20:21.00 | keldwud | the kids who come from parents who don't believe in birth control and are undereducated and don't take an interest in raising their children |
| 20:21.10 | keldwud | and hope the school raises their kids |
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| 20:21.28 | keldwud | I know that sounds all judgemental, it probably is |
| 20:21.33 | keldwud | *judgmental |
| 20:21.44 | keldwud | but I've seen how some of these kids interact with my daughter |
| 20:21.47 | keldwud | and it is scary! |
| 20:21.59 | keldwud | they have no concept of boundaries or consent |
| 20:22.20 | keldwud | RyanE, nope. I would stay right where I'm at |
| 20:22.30 | keldwud | I would ride my bike to work |
| 20:31.55 | joshh | i think that depends where the public school is |
| 20:33.37 | joshh | no school i went to was packed with people like that |
| 20:34.34 | joshh | with the possible exception of kearns jr high which i went to for 7th grade only, and even then there definitely wasn't the birth control part |
| 20:35.31 | joshh | unless by "don't believe in it" you mean "should have used it but didn't" |
| 20:36.04 | joshh | but even there, majority of people were good |
| 20:36.24 | keldwud | joshh, it's one of my more irrational quirks |
| 20:36.43 | joshh | my own opinion is that public schools better prepare people for the real world, most private kids i've known have been sheltered and have a lot of weird opinions or beliefs |
| 20:36.43 | keldwud | but my daughter did get punched in the face in kindergarten and stalked |
| 20:36.54 | keldwud | private vs charter |
| 20:37.01 | keldwud | charter is more public school than private school :-p |
| 20:37.16 | joshh | ok, ya i know nothing about those |
| 20:37.57 | keldwud | I'd like to give my daughter a fighting chance of being able to figure out who she is before she has to deal with trying to have to deal with the actions of other kids that interrupt her learning |
| 20:38.47 | keldwud | she's still developing so I think that getting prepared for the real world by having to deal with certain things at an early age like harassment and consent and boundaries |
| 20:39.07 | keldwud | I think that having to learn that the "hard" way can be more damaging than learning it "the easy way" |
| 20:39.30 | keldwud | but I'm still basing my reasoning on emotional based reasoning, it's not exactly rational |
| 20:39.31 | unum | charter school are public school |
| 20:39.48 | keldwud | I'm basing it on my own fears instead of logic |
| 20:40.34 | unum | when speaking a politician you have to seperate them out as traditional public schools vs charter schools |
| 20:41.01 | keldwud | time to get the kid! later guys. She's gonna be so mad at me |
| 20:41.08 | keldwud | she tells me how much she hates having to deal with the cops |
| 20:41.12 | shalkie | keldwud: There was a piece on NPR the other day talking about the type of hit a woman returning to the workforce takes in salary if they base the salary offer off of the old salary. In the end they suggested that you should stick by "My old salary is irrelevant. These are my skills and this is the pay range for someone with these skills and background." |
| 20:41.13 | keldwud | she's scared to ride the bus because of it |
| 20:41.30 | keldwud | shalkie, that's a great tip! |
| 20:41.33 | keldwud | thank you |
| 20:41.43 | romanovic | we'll be homeschooling our kids. my wife was home schooled all her life, and may be the most well-adjusted social person I know |
| 20:42.05 | keldwud | I've been "home schooling" in addition to having her attend school |
| 20:42.18 | keldwud | meaning I teach her in the little time that we do have together |
| 20:42.30 | keldwud | I've taught her all of her math, she hasn't learned any of that at school yet |
| 20:42.43 | keldwud | she can add and subtract with regrouping |
| 20:42.54 | keldwud | and she has the basic idea of multiplication figured out |
| 20:42.59 | Tod-Work | keldwud, go get your kid! |
| 20:43.02 | keldwud | and division |
| 20:43.03 | keldwud | ok |
| 20:43.04 | keldwud | later! |
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| 20:45.52 | unum | romanovic: she was home schooled through college? |
| 20:46.34 | romanovic | s/life/pre-college life/ |
| 20:46.47 | romanovic | she started college at age 14 |
| 20:47.35 | romanovic | public college |
| 20:47.35 | unum | where at? |
| 20:47.39 | romanovic | California |
| 20:49.18 | unum | my wife didn't start college until she was 16 |
| 20:49.25 | unum | and she's a year older than me |
| 20:49.44 | unum | so I like to give her a bad time that I was a junior high student when she was in college |
| 20:49.51 | unum | even though I don't think that's quite true |
| 20:50.14 | romanovic | apparently if you've already surpassed high school education standards as a tween, not being hindered by the lowest common denominator children in public schools, you can take entrance exams and start college whenever you're ready. at least in California |
| 20:51.35 | unum | I have three friends who started college at 16 in utah |
| 20:51.41 | unum | two at USU and one at BYU |
| 20:51.49 | unum | not sure how much earlier they allow it |
| 20:51.52 | RyanE | worked for Doogie Howser. |
| 20:51.52 | romanovic | haha, similar story with me. I am a couple years older than my wife, but I was still only a sophomore in HS when she started college |
| 20:52.22 | unum | but I think it's fairly common for wealthy families to hire tutors and push their kids through faster |
| 20:59.52 | unum | hmmm jabberd2 doesn't seem to have anyway for me to send "system" messages |
| 21:00.24 | unum | with ejabberd I could use ejabberctl to send messages to users from the commandline without authenticating |
| 21:15.40 | keldwud | ok got my kid |
| 21:15.48 | keldwud | they want to move her up to 2nd grade |
| 21:15.58 | RyanE | bastards! |
| 21:16.04 | Tod-Work | Oh the humanity! |
| 21:16.10 | keldwud | she's excited |
| 21:16.18 | keldwud | that's what I get for homeschooling her at the same time :) |
| 21:16.34 | keldwud | they think she might even be a bit above 2nd grade level |
| 21:18.48 | RyanE | cool. |
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| 21:46.00 | rsimpkins | I've got some strong opinions about how crazy-stupid our public schools are. If you can find a good charter, do it. If you can afford private, better. For the rest of us, home study can be an effective choice. |
| 21:46.05 | rsimpkins | Each family is different. |
| 21:47.04 | unum | Not my experience at all |
| 21:48.59 | RyanE | Mine either. I personally think they're only "normal-stupid". :) |
| 21:49.50 | Tod-Work | meh, if my kids pick up a work ethic along the way from wherever, school's a non-factor in much of anything to me. |
| 21:51.27 | bregalad | the most important things you learn in school is learning how to learn and learning how to deal with ignorance, both your own and everyone else's |
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| 21:51.40 | bregalad | curriculum is almost irrelevant |
| 21:53.30 | RyanE | other than math, I'd agree. Some of that crap isn't irrelevant. |
| 21:53.35 | Tod-Work | I think I feel like most of what school is could be condensed with efficiency, but ultimately just takes up time. I don't think there's a better alternative. More "challenge" has pros and cons. Private/Charters have other pros and cons. You decide what you care about and define your measures, but ultimately the kid's going to grow up and have to do something. |
| 21:54.10 | Tod-Work | What that something is just isn't something we can plan for in any specificity anymore |
| 21:54.31 | RyanE | Homeschooling definitely can teach the same stuff (or more) in less time, IMHO. It's just too much of a bother. Some of us like sending our kids off each day... :) |
| 21:54.49 | Tod-Work | I like having a day job |
| 21:55.02 | Tod-Work | if I was independently wealthy, I wouldn't |
| 21:55.16 | Tod-Work | but until that point, it's day job or being able to home school. Not both. |
| 21:57.17 | jalbretsen | Yippie! A recruiter wants me to take a "Senior Linux Administrator" position seriously in the same breath he insists I send him a Word formatted resume. I beat most of the Linux FanBoy out of me, but this bit still remains. |
| 21:57.43 | bregalad | at that point you just hang up |
| 21:57.52 | programmerq | jalbretsen: I send pdf resumes. |
| 21:58.06 | programmerq | if that's a problem, then the company failed the interview |
| 21:59.27 | rsimpkins | We get resumes all the time that aren't in PDF format. Don't send Adobe a non-PDF resume. That will ensure a very cold reception. It won't cost you a job, but it will earn you some ribbing. |
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| 22:00.15 | romanovic | wants to submit his resume in markdown format when next applying for a job |
| 22:00.16 | rsimpkins | I'd guess the same is true if you wanted to work at Microsoft. You should probably submit details saved in the very latest office version. |
| 22:02.11 | jalbretsen | I gave props to someone last time we asked for resumes. I said PDF only, and someone clearly too the time to scan theirs with a scanner. |
| 22:02.15 | jalbretsen | *took |
| 22:03.10 | romanovic | the companies most likely to fail the interview for me are ones that require a comprehensive history of income and other personal information not related to job qualification. also, requiring my resume to be pasted as plain text in a text area |
| 22:04.27 | romanovic | I leave all of those blank. Or enter N/A or $0 across the board. |
| 22:05.05 | RyanE | rsimpkins: Can I send you a resume in WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS format? |
| 22:06.02 | rsimpkins | RyanE: You can, and I will safely overwrite the file with data from my highschool poetry notebook. |
| 22:06.15 | RyanE | Do you check the resume's PDF header info to insure it was generated by a "Genuine Adobe Product"? |
| 22:06.29 | RyanE | s/insure/ensure/g |
| 22:06.31 | rsimpkins | Nope, the internal culture is quite open about that actually. |
| 22:06.37 | rsimpkins | We like that other PDF tools exist. |
| 22:06.57 | RyanE | rsimpkins: do you seriously still have your highschool poetry notebook? |
| 22:07.01 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:07.16 | rsimpkins | RyanE: In a box in storage. Yup. |
| 22:07.29 | RyanE | scary |
| 22:07.53 | rsimpkins | I read it every now and then to remind me of what it was like being a teenager. It keeps me from killing my children. |
| 22:07.58 | rsimpkins | Generally regarded as a good thing. |
| 22:08.17 | RyanE | of course, if your read it *to* them, it probably makes your teenagers want to kill you. |
| 22:08.25 | RyanE | or at least laugh at you. |
| 22:08.25 | rsimpkins | I would never. |
| 22:08.29 | rsimpkins | NEVER! |
| 22:08.33 | rsimpkins | I love my kids. |
| 22:08.35 | joshh | rsimpkins: do you ask designers and stuff if they've ever pirated photoshop? |
| 22:08.40 | RyanE | hey, what's your kids' email address? :) |
| 22:09.09 | rsimpkins | joshh: I've never hired designers, so I'm not sure. Piracy is kind of a touchy subject for most proprietary software shops. |
| 22:09.47 | joshh | photoshop always seemed like one of those things that everyone had but nobody could afford |
| 22:09.48 | unum | I always send pdf as well |
| 22:09.55 | unum | if you want a .doc file you don't want me |
| 22:10.08 | rsimpkins | joshh: Now it can be had for $10/mo (and the full awesome version, not just the cheap one) |
| 22:10.37 | rsimpkins | Lr alone is worth $120/year to me. |
| 22:10.44 | rsimpkins | I'd probably pay double that. |
| 22:10.48 | RyanE | dang. Just confused Adobe with Autodesk. Was going to ask if I could send my resume in a 3D design in Tinkercad. :| |
| 22:11.08 | rsimpkins | You could send it in PDF layers. That would be kind of novel. |
| 22:11.22 | rsimpkins | Only a few tools can handle PDF layers. |
| 22:11.24 | unum | eightyeight and I had a coworker who said we should show more respect to proprietary software, I asked him why he thought stealing it was more respectful that our refusal to use it |
| 22:12.08 | RyanE | So you should put your *real* resume down a layer or two, so only Adobe could read it. |
| 22:12.19 | eightyeight | heh. i remember that discussion |
| 22:13.32 | eightyeight | i'm honestly surprised that the company never got in trouble for the excessive and blantant software piracy it did |
| 22:14.24 | unum | ya I think we've mostly reeled that in, of course I have very little to do with that department these days |
| 22:14.28 | RyanE | I've heard of employees siccing the Software Enforcers on a company as they're walking out the door. |
| 22:14.59 | joshh | ya i get that photoshop pricing is different these days |
| 22:15.02 | eightyeight | i debated it |
| 22:15.09 | eightyeight | i was not treated well when i put in my notice |
| 22:15.10 | RyanE | that's burning your bridges. |
| 22:15.21 | eightyeight | they burned mine |
| 22:15.38 | eightyeight | well, 1 person did |
| 22:15.48 | RyanE | I've been fairly lucky. Both times I gave my notice, it was accepted well, and they still had me work my "2 weeks". |
| 22:15.50 | unum | the owner did say you are the only person he'd want to bring back |
| 22:16.06 | eightyeight | i didn't have any problems with the owner. i like him. |
| 22:16.16 | eightyeight | i miss frank too. it was good to see him at openwest |
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| 22:16.47 | eightyeight | i saw polash as well. didn't know he got his ph.d. good for him. |
| 22:17.26 | unum | ya he did that in missouri |
| 22:17.43 | unum | he look for a job actually doing electrical engineering work for a while |
| 22:17.50 | unum | but decided to come back in the end |
| 22:18.44 | Tod-Work | what exactly is it you do? |
| 22:19.58 | bregalad | Tod-Work: nobody here actually does anything |
| 22:20.08 | bregalad | we all sit in front of computers all day |
| 22:20.17 | Tod-Work | still bitter about that, huh? |
| 22:20.30 | bregalad | did I complain about that at some point? |
| 22:20.43 | Tod-Work | maybe it wasn't you? |
| 22:20.52 | bregalad | I can't remember everywhere I go through one of my standard rants |
| 22:21.16 | Tod-Work | someone in here was annoyed that their spouse didn't think they "worked" because it was in front of a computer |
| 22:21.29 | Tod-Work | maybe it wasn't there spouse |
| 22:21.33 | Tod-Work | I don't always pay much attention |
| 22:21.40 | bregalad | I think that was harleypig, but I don't have sympathy because he cuddles braces |
| 22:22.10 | unum | Tod-Work: my employer does data collection for surveying companies |
| 22:22.19 | unum | basically we're the ones that call you and ask you to do a survey |
| 22:22.29 | unum | we also host them online now |
| 22:23.07 | Tod-Work | The W named company? |
| 22:23.11 | bregalad | unum: you mean not the GIS thing, but the 'you want to take a survey?' kind of surveys? |
| 22:23.49 | Tod-Work | Also, I absolutely am working against your company's existence with phone janitor. Sorry >.> |
| 22:24.58 | unum | bregalad: ya |
| 22:25.14 | harleypig | bregalad: it wasn't me ... I'm divorced. |
| 22:25.29 | unum | Tod-Work: I'm a php dev I can find a new job :) |
| 22:25.33 | harleypig | Though, programming was one of thereasons she left as it wasn't a *real* job. |
| 22:25.34 | RyanE | Tod-Work: I think it was this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBqq5ai5rLQ |
| 22:25.47 | unum | there people that actually like taking surveys |
| 22:25.48 | Tod-Work | unum, but can you find a soul? |
| 22:25.59 | unum | Tod-Work: no I sold my soul. |
| 22:26.02 | Tod-Work | well yeah, I wouldn't deny them doin gso |
| 22:26.21 | Tod-Work | They get to choose who calls them, so whatever they like |
| 22:26.27 | Tod-Work | RyanE, that was the leadout I think, yeah |
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| 22:32.36 | shalkie | huh, some people get premium (ie 900 ish) numbers and fill out forms that get people to call them. |
| 22:32.46 | shalkie | Then they attach it to an asterisk server with a script. |
| 22:33.10 | shalkie | I think I like this idea. |
| 22:33.14 | shalkie | I think I like it a lot. |
| 22:33.58 | unum | I always screen for area code |
| 22:34.01 | unum | so you won't get us |
| 22:34.09 | unum | but probably some telemarketers |
| 22:34.44 | eightyeight | don't register as a republican, and you won't get calls from unum's employer. :) |
| 22:35.06 | bregalad | lol |
| 22:35.15 | shalkie | eightyeight: Not being a republican is my natural state. :) |
| 22:35.30 | eightyeight | your natural state in the gop state |
| 22:35.45 | rsimpkins | There are so many types of republicans these days, could you please be more specific? |
| 22:36.26 | eightyeight | i don't how to be more specific than 'registered as republican' |
| 22:36.35 | eightyeight | are there sub-repub registers? |
| 22:37.19 | jalbretsen | If someone tells me Mike Lee and John Huntsman are part of the same political party, if I didn't know better I would laugh at them |
| 22:37.23 | unum | there are plenty of general election polling |
| 22:37.45 | unum | and some other non political work |
| 22:38.00 | shalkie | jalbretsen: Chavetz too! |
| 22:38.25 | unum | I can't believe Mitt Romney and Mitt Romney are in the same political party |
| 22:38.29 | rsimpkins | I'm a #noneoftheabove platonic liberal convervative social capitalist freemarket libertarian... ist. |
| 22:38.32 | bregalad | aha |
| 22:38.37 | bregalad | h |
| 22:39.39 | shalkie | rsimpkins broke bregalad haha. So sad. |
| 22:39.41 | shalkie | ;) |
| 22:39.50 | eightyeight | does. not. compute. |
| 22:40.35 | bregalad | actually, I thought unum had the better joke, sorry :/ |
| 22:40.51 | rsimpkins | I live in the political sixth dimension. |
| 22:41.49 | eightyeight | "i'm an idependent. nevermind that my entire votiing history has been wholly democrat. i'm independent" |
| 22:41.57 | rsimpkins | No Mitt Romney's in the sixth dimension. Only infinity Trumps. |
| 22:42.25 | rsimpkins | It's like a blonde poofy nightmare. |
| 22:42.38 | eightyeight | that hair color is unnatural. |
| 22:42.47 | eightyeight | it's freaky. |
| 22:43.47 | shalkie | eightyeight: Occassionally I vote for a republican candidate or something they propose. Not often and it goes against my natural inclinations. :) |
| 22:44.07 | rsimpkins | Someday we are going to find out that Trump is actually a robitic suit being worn by some other politician from another galaxy. |
| 22:44.12 | shalkie | The hair is what made the TrumpTroll so perfect though. |
| 22:44.44 | shalkie | https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/trumptroll.png?w=728&h=489&crop=1 |
| 22:45.00 | rsimpkins | I'm going to go home and pretend I remember how good the USA used to be. Ta. |
| 22:45.36 | bregalad | rsimpkins: http://www.citizenschwartz.com/nation-still-reeling-after-rush-limbaugh-revealed-to-be-30-year-long-andy-kaufman-prank/ |
| 22:45.56 | rsimpkins | bregalad: I knew it! :) |
| 22:46.13 | bregalad | I bet Kaufman is behind Trump too |
| 22:46.48 | eightyeight | shalkie: https://i.imgur.com/ZaaLaQU.jpg |
| 23:02.23 | shalkie | Needs bigger lobes. :) |
| 23:06.54 | shalkie | oddly I think that the tan coloring is just about dead on. |
| 23:07.02 | shalkie | Still better then Bohner. |
| 23:07.20 | eightyeight | haha |
| 23:12.28 | romanovic | Yes! That is an apt comparison. Trump is like a Ferengi. invented by a writer as a caricature of modern free market conservatives |
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| 23:19.36 | keldwud | jalbretsen, I got an email from a recruiter about a Linux Administrator position and the requirements were Active Directory and LDAP, Exchange Server, Microsoft SQL, among other microsoft skill sets |
| 23:20.12 | keldwud | I also wonder why resumes have to be in word format. That doesn't make any sense to me. |
| 23:23.59 | joshh | it means that the recruiter/HR/etc who get your resume first will be using a windows box with word and they think they can't open other things |
| 23:27.11 | shalkie | Kirk Douglas is still alive. |
| 23:27.24 | shalkie | Which boggles my mind. |
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| 23:31.12 | keldwud | shalkie, do you have some keywords for that NPR piece about salary so that I could look it up and listen to it? |
| 23:31.53 | keldwud | not this one, right? http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/07/02/327758712/the-company-where-everyone-knows-everyone-elses-salary |
| 23:32.18 | harleypig | shalkie: for relative values of alive |
| 23:33.31 | harleypig | What blows my mind is, he and his wife have been married 11 years longer than I've been alive. |
| 23:33.49 | keldwud | heh, I like this |
| 23:33.50 | keldwud | "I talked to the CEO of another company that's open with salaries, and he said the reaction reminds him of Americans hearing they have topless beaches in Europe. Before you go to one, you think it's just going to be the craziest thing in the world. Then you get there and it's like, OK, nobody's flipping out because people are topless here. It's just how things are." |
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