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| 07:34.34 | keldwud | I feel like this is what my daughter has to go through when she has to deal with the cops just for being outside as a 7 year old girl |
| 07:34.35 | keldwud | https://youtu.be/b8xSX1ZcAc0 |
| 07:34.51 | keldwud | maybe not the specifics, but the sentiment at least |
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| 12:21.46 | eightyeight | https://pthree.org/2015/08/26/setting-up-a-global-ssh-proxy-on-android-with-connectbot-and-proxydroid/ |
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| 12:46.17 | keldwud | yay, SuSe got back to me |
| 12:46.20 | keldwud | super excited |
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| 13:28.21 | shalkie | keldwud: They got back to you about? |
| 13:32.03 | keldwud | a job |
| 13:32.29 | shalkie | Oh, congratulations. |
| 13:32.34 | keldwud | I applied a couple months ago, got no response, then met some of them out at LinuxCon and they said they were hiring |
| 13:33.21 | keldwud | so I asked them if they could dig up my resume. The conference ended last week Wednesday night. They emailed me Monday asking for a same day interview (I missed the email) so now I'm gonna go interview this Friday |
| 13:33.23 | keldwud | I'm super excited. |
| 13:33.42 | shalkie | Good luck. |
| 13:41.58 | keldwud | thanks! |
| 13:42.18 | keldwud | I'm glad I met them at the conference with my beard because now I don't feel the need to shave it off for the interview. |
| 13:42.58 | hamnox | Win! |
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| 13:45.41 | keldwud | although since it's for a Linux position, I probably didn't need worry too much. As long as I'm cleaned up and all. |
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| 15:09.56 | bregalad | discriminating on beards is so last century |
| 15:11.15 | unum | I thought beards were a requirement for sysadmin jobs |
| 15:11.27 | programmerq | I go in all clean shaven |
| 15:11.36 | programmerq | you can tell how long I've had a job by how grungy I look. |
| 15:11.38 | unum | I grew my van dyke after I was hired at my current position |
| 15:11.59 | unum | told overyone it was job requirement |
| 15:12.12 | unum | pointed to my two brothers who work in IT as proof |
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| 15:39.05 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
| 15:39.06 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 15:40.22 | bregalad | ~napoleon eightyeight |
| 15:40.22 | infobot | ACTION makes eightyeight buy a lotto ticket for Napoleon |
| 15:40.29 | jlp_znc | eightyeight: install sshtunnel https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.sshtunnel |
| 15:40.46 | eightyeight | as mentioned, it doesn't work for android 4.3 and later |
| 15:41.14 | eightyeight | well, i guess that isn't clear |
| 15:41.17 | eightyeight | clarifies |
| 15:42.33 | eightyeight | fixed |
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| 15:48.45 | jlp_znc | so it doesn't. that's annoying. |
| 15:51.03 | eightyeight | yeah. that's what prompted me to find an alternative |
| 15:51.17 | eightyeight | after discovering one, i figured i would blog it for the betterment of society |
| 15:52.35 | jlp_znc | well, thank you. |
| 15:54.00 | eightyeight | i am concern about bregalad's well being, after all |
| 15:55.47 | bregalad | eightyeight: what about well ordering |
| 15:56.03 | bregalad | could you explain the well ordering principle to someone on demand? |
| 15:56.41 | eightyeight | i would need a non-empty set first |
| 15:56.51 | bregalad | :) |
| 15:57.14 | bregalad | what about a set containing an empty set? |
| 15:59.36 | eightyeight | then i would be speaking with both a closed and open minded individual. seems counterproductive |
| 16:00.53 | eightyeight | stretches that topological pun |
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| 16:06.50 | bregalad | depending on the complexity of the objects you are dealing with, it is possible for something to be simultaneously closed and open |
| 16:07.15 | bregalad | and because closed and open are narrowly defined for convenience and sanity |
| 16:07.20 | eightyeight | the empty set is considered both closed and open, which is what i was going after |
| 16:07.41 | bregalad | that's right, sorry, I forgot about that one :-) |
| 16:08.07 | bregalad | I was thinking of multidimensional, piecewise-defined boundaries |
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| 16:38.36 | levi | Whee, topology. :P |
| 16:38.50 | levi | clopenness. |
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| 18:09.23 | shalkie | keldwud and programmerq : I was on the road buying dinner and the cashier noticed the company name on the CC and asked what the company did and when I told him he was all " I know it was Linux related", it seems the beard was a tip off. |
| 18:09.31 | shalkie | s/know/knew/ |
| 18:11.28 | shalkie | For anyone that is interested RadioWest did a piece today talking about PC in academia and society.http://radiowest.kuer.org/ |
| 18:12.28 | shalkie | It seems to have been as a result of this article: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ |
| 18:12.31 | bregalad | shalkie: http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/08/why-school-should-start-later/401489/ |
| 18:12.42 | bregalad | darn, wrong link |
| 18:13.01 | bregalad | shalkie: I read that whole article |
| 18:13.14 | shalkie | I was all like "What did infobot do?". :) |
| 18:13.46 | bregalad | I loved it, except that the authors kept thinking that once people enter the 'real world' then they'll learn the truth |
| 18:14.57 | bregalad | the problem is that the authors are professors who have some sort of disappointing delusion about how business life is somehow unaffected by the same poisions |
| 18:15.45 | shalkie | There were some good counter points made on the radio show(also in podcast form). I haven't made it into the article yet. |
| 18:17.34 | bregalad | I'm glad I got out of academia before they broke more than they did, but I also miss science :( |
| 18:17.56 | bregalad | s/broke/broke me/ |
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| 18:23.35 | jalbretsen | shalkie / bregalad - I thought I was there to indoctrinate students with my crazy liberal agenda. |
| 18:23.51 | jalbretsen | at least that is what Fox News tells me I'm doing |
| 18:24.36 | jalbretsen | and I tell my students I'm doing at some point during the semester |
| 18:24.39 | joshh | you're just supposed to keep fighting against christmas |
| 18:24.52 | shalkie | Apparently you half to do that while being afraid of causing emotional damage from offensive words based on this article. |
| 18:25.01 | jalbretsen | I celebrate Christmas. It's Newton's birthday after all |
| 18:25.48 | jalbretsen | There is a reason I don't teach in public schools. I'd toss the troublemakers out in the hall and get fired |
| 18:25.56 | shalkie | joshh: Those efforts are channelled through Santa Harassement |
| 18:26.18 | jalbretsen | as you can see, all the times my 6th grade teacher tossed me in the hall back in the 80's has given me emotional damage. Excuse me, I need to take another pill. |
| 18:26.19 | joshh | i think i would enjoy public school teaching if it wasn't such an easy place to get into trouble for saying the wrong thing |
| 18:27.10 | shalkie | Actually I am not a fan of the Salvation Army santa, but that has more to do with the Salvation Army then the personification of an ancient figure. |
| 18:27.24 | shalkie | That and I find it annoying to have them outside of stores. |
| 18:28.37 | unum | joshh: for profit school teaching was the worse. I got in trouble for telling people to do their own work ;) |
| 18:29.02 | shalkie | pins on a "I support Happy Holidays" pin and goes back to work. |
| 18:29.54 | joshh | my favorite classes in high school were the ones where a maverick/rebel type teacher would just spend the whole time talking openly abut current events or other subjects without worrying about offending anyone |
| 18:29.56 | RyanE | pins on an "I support whatever, seriously... I don't care" pin and goes back to work. |
| 18:30.17 | joshh | but then you hear about the teacher that got in trouble for letting kids watch the obama speech, etc |
| 18:30.22 | joshh | it's just ridiculous |
| 18:30.35 | RyanE | joshh: One class period in High School, our Chemistry teacher taught us about Watergate, because one of her students didn't understand it. Best class period I've ever been taught. |
| 18:31.45 | joshh | i love teachers that would do something like that |
| 18:33.20 | joshh | another teacher i had was a veteran and would go on rants about how he hated LBJ for his vietnam decisions, talk about the feeling of grenades going off nearby, etc. some of it could be considered borderline inappropriate but the whole class would listen to every word |
| 18:33.37 | joshh | that was actually a history class though, and it was in texas |
| 18:33.38 | bregalad | I reread All The President's Men every few years |
| 18:33.54 | bregalad | but it's so much worse now than it was then |
| 18:34.21 | bregalad | the corruption documented in the book is enshrined in bureaucratic policy now |
| 18:35.14 | shalkie | joshh: You are allowed to criticize LBJ in Texas? I thought that would result in being catapulted out of the state. |
| 18:35.50 | joshh | he said he "would never forgive him" |
| 18:36.03 | bregalad | one of my life maxims is to never live in Texas :) |
| 18:36.21 | jalbretsen | I do ask my students at one point or another, usually in the Newtons' Gravity discussion, if there are any flat-earthers or people who deny the moon landings in the room |
| 18:36.21 | joshh | i was there for a year, and actually liked it quite a bit at the time |
| 18:36.32 | jalbretsen | No one has been offended as far as I know |
| 18:38.12 | bregalad | jalbretsen: I once encountered someone who didn't believe in relativity, something about 'Einstein wasting his time' |
| 18:38.26 | bregalad | I should have asked him if he believes in GPS |
| 18:39.14 | jalbretsen | my Masters Thesis chair would say..... quantum mechanics.... it works whether you believe it or not |
| 18:39.54 | bregalad | because you can't do GPS without using the time coord transforms from the metric in a central potential |
| 18:40.54 | jalbretsen | That's one class I wish I had take in grad school, a full blown relativity course |
| 18:41.01 | jalbretsen | *taken |
| 18:41.29 | bregalad | I did; it was hard |
| 18:41.46 | bregalad | but so much easier because I had already had two semesters of topology |
| 18:41.58 | levi | So many things I wish I'd taken (or taken seriously) in school. I poke at them a bit now, but the school environment helps to stay focused through the tough parts. |
| 18:42.33 | bregalad | at one point my topology professor said 'yes, general relativity may be considered a special case of what we are doing' |
| 18:43.47 | levi | Generalizations do indeed usually come later. |
| 18:44.16 | bregalad | jalbretsen: was your advisor Lawerence W.? |
| 18:45.10 | jalbretsen | bregalad: So how did your relativity hater explain all the things that Newtonian Mechanics didn't? Like that part of Mercury's precession that can't be accounted for? :) |
| 18:45.28 | jalbretsen | For a year at the U he was, then I defected to the Y to do real astronomy ;) |
| 18:45.35 | bregalad | there is a story about once Hilbert figured out Einstein's projected reasoning, he derived GR in a few weeks, but didn't publish out of deference to Einstein |
| 18:45.44 | bregalad | it must have been such a different academic world back then |
| 18:46.05 | bregalad | Einstein took years to finally arrive at the Einstein field equations |
| 18:46.35 | bregalad | but also spent a great amount of time motivating the equivalence principle |
| 18:47.06 | bregalad | jalbretsen: UU has quite an impressive astro department now |
| 18:47.38 | bregalad | jalbretsen: I was so stunned by such willful ignorance I didn't know what to say :) |
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| 18:58.19 | jalbretsen | bregalad - This was last century. (1999 / 2000) |
| 18:58.50 | jalbretsen | I heard they built it up, I have an old friend from grad school that is part of their group |
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| 20:05.14 | bregalad | harleypig: definitely on a line by itself |
| 20:05.25 | bregalad | snuggling an opening brace makes you look insecure |
| 20:06.39 | harleypig | I like snuggled braces. But I like paragraph style coding. The dichotomy drives people nuts. :> |
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| 20:39.17 | jlp_znc | bregalad: you are wrong. braces should be cuddled, nurtured, and loved. |
| 20:40.57 | levi | harleypig: What do you mean by 'paragraph style coding'? |
| 20:42.30 | harleypig | Separate chunks of code by an empty line. http://sprunge.us/MTOV |
| 20:42.58 | levi | Oh, yeah. That's basically my natural coding style too. |
| 20:43.33 | levi | Sometimes I'll follow K&R convention by putting the opening brace for a top-level function on the next line, but use cuddled braces in other places. |
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| 20:46.04 | levi | I guess that fundamentally, I don't *like* the curly braces at all. I certainly don't want to emphasize them by putting them on their own lines. |
| 20:46.55 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:47.56 | levi | I have to work with enough different codebases that I don't really care that much which convention is used. |
| 20:52.34 | bregalad | there is something wonderful and familiar about the way Quartetto Italiano plays |
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| 21:21.58 | keldwud | I find it somewhat ironic that BYU has such a well developed astronomy program |
| 21:22.33 | keldwud | I don't understand how astrophysics and certain religious beliefs can be held in the same mind since they sometimes contradict one another |
| 21:24.22 | bregalad | perhaps not everyone at BYU is afraid of science :) |
| 21:25.01 | keldwud | oh it's obvious they aren't because BYU has some decent science programs |
| 21:26.33 | keldwud | but I met a BYU kid majoring in astronomy once and he told me he believed in the literal interpretation of genesis but he also studied astrophysics and told me that he also believed the speed of light is constant and that he believed the distances between galaxies is true |
| 21:26.50 | keldwud | and that it takes billions of years for light to travel |
| 21:27.05 | keldwud | but that... well.. gosh, I don't know how he did it |
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| 21:29.22 | joshh | a lot of religious people are like that, they basically keep things separate or whatever in their head to believe 2 things at once, and just don't think about it much |
| 21:29.30 | joshh | not sure what else they could do |
| 21:30.30 | joshh | then again most don't take the bible literally |
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| 21:31.11 | bregalad | do they take it literarily? |
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| 21:39.20 | Tod-Work | keldwud, as someone that is only ethnically mormon, I can recommend the book Mormon Scientist for understanding that phenomenon |
| 21:39.55 | Tod-Work | suffice it to say, it's easy to dismiss some religious beliefs without dismissing all of them |
| 21:40.06 | Tod-Work | (like the earth being created 6000 years ago) |
| 21:40.53 | bregalad | or the universe itself only being that old |
| 21:41.07 | Tod-Work | an extension of the same, yes |
| 21:59.12 | keldwud | "daddy, since I love subtraction, can I do my subtraction homework for tomorrow also?" |
| 21:59.17 | keldwud | I think I'm in love with my daughter! |
| 21:59.19 | keldwud | lol |
| 21:59.36 | keldwud | when she says things like that, I just, I can't even |
| 22:02.02 | keldwud | I just found I can eat a quarter of a cup of skittles and only ingest 110 calories! |
| 22:02.03 | keldwud | woot |
| 22:02.10 | keldwud | that's a lot of skittles |
| 22:13.45 | unum | mormons believe "day" in genesis is a mistranslation |
| 22:14.03 | unum | it should read era or something like that |
| 22:16.16 | keldwud | "this is happening in a pattern! tails, heads, tails, heads, tails, heads" - my daughter |
| 22:16.28 | keldwud | heck yeah probability! |
| 22:16.51 | unum | I always get tails :) |
| 22:28.02 | programmerq | unum: I'm certainly not the most studied on it, but I would also argue that "day" may very well have been the original word in the book of geesis. I think that numbers could have different significance to the culture that moses was brought up in. |
| 22:28.11 | RyanE | heads I win, tails you lose. |
| 22:28.33 | programmerq | and anyway, moses learned all that stuff through a vision-- maybe it took that many days while he had the vision showing the history of the solar system and the earth. |
| 22:28.55 | programmerq | ^^ just my apologist points of views on things. don't mind me. ^^ |
| 22:31.09 | joshh | speaking of moses, there was a super cool episode of "battles bc" on history about him the other day |
| 22:31.28 | joshh | i didn't know much about the military actions he took later on but it was pretty interesting |
| 22:31.40 | joshh | and he killed a lot more people than i would have guessed |
| 22:31.41 | programmerq | if it was a history channel production, they're probably talking about aliens somehow. |
| 22:39.44 | jalbretsen | keldwud: I see a former BYU astro kid every morning when I look in the mirror. |
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| 22:43.03 | jalbretsen | there was a lot of irony there for sure, but I am referring to a different irony. |
| 22:43.58 | jalbretsen | we had several lively discussions on scripture vs science topics. The annual does the bible say the world is flat of a sphere was a lot of fun. |
| 22:44.10 | RyanE | I tasted a barbed wire fence once. It was definitely irony. |
| 22:44.44 | keldwud | http://instantrimshot.com/ |
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