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| 05:54.09 | keldwud | linuxcon was pretty dope |
| 06:18.39 | davido___ | Yeah, it was a good show. |
| 06:30.52 | keldwud | YOU WERE THERE!? |
| 06:31.05 | keldwud | I really should learn to collaborate better so I can meet with peeps at these things |
| 06:32.38 | davido___ | Yeah, there were three of us from my company. |
| 06:33.13 | keldwud | nice |
| 06:33.24 | davido___ | You're not from Logan are you? |
| 06:33.26 | keldwud | guess I'll be more vocal in these channels before I go to my next con |
| 06:33.28 | keldwud | no, I'm from provo |
| 06:33.36 | keldwud | I'm with EMC |
| 06:33.39 | davido___ | Oh, ok. There were a few from Logan too. |
| 06:33.47 | keldwud | oh the ones with the booth, right? |
| 06:33.54 | keldwud | the 100 guys? |
| 06:33.57 | davido___ | Yeah, 100tb? I can't remember exactly. |
| 06:34.02 | keldwud | yeah that's them |
| 06:34.14 | keldwud | and some of the suse provo guys were there, too |
| 06:34.29 | keldwud | I have to say that The Linux Foundation puts on some great events |
| 06:34.31 | davido___ | oh, i didn't bump into them. |
| 06:34.33 | keldwud | top tier |
| 06:34.51 | davido___ | do you know the attendance? I was trying to compare to openwest's attendance (1500 this year) |
| 06:35.00 | keldwud | no clue, it seemed to be around a couple thousand |
| 06:35.04 | keldwud | but that's pure speculation on my part |
| 06:35.10 | keldwud | maybe even a few thousand |
| 06:35.32 | keldwud | we could extrapolate based on the size of the crowd during the keynotes |
| 06:35.43 | keldwud | but it would still be back of the envelope stuff |
| 06:35.43 | davido___ | The keynote room held about 1100, but I don't think anywhere near half of the participants attended the keynotes at any given time. |
| 06:36.16 | keldwud | yeah I'd guess that attendance was at least double what was sitting in the ballroom |
| 06:36.48 | keldwud | booth crawl was off the hook. IBM handed out some pretty sizeable beers |
| 06:36.59 | davido___ | Oh, I wasn't at that. |
| 06:37.07 | davido___ | We went out to dinner that night. That was Tuesday, right? |
| 06:37.26 | keldwud | yeah. the booth crawls are always pretty dope at the linux foundation events |
| 06:37.39 | davido___ | We met up with some developer friends we know who live in capitol hill area, had mexican, played pingpong |
| 06:38.29 | keldwud | sounds fun. that's the best part about conventinos |
| 06:38.31 | keldwud | *conventions |
| 06:38.38 | keldwud | just getting face time with other people |
| 06:38.46 | keldwud | and bonding and shit |
| 06:40.32 | davido___ | One thing that was difficult was determining from the synopses whether talks were going to be informative, or about some new proprietary project for which the presenter was in search of community help. |
| 06:41.33 | keldwud | all the talks I went to were quite informative |
| 06:41.46 | keldwud | I think they were pretty clear about which ones were sponsored events by having them be luncheons |
| 06:42.03 | keldwud | like where IBM was pimping their new thing |
| 06:42.16 | keldwud | oh yeah, there was the keynote about the new IBM hardware |
| 06:42.34 | keldwud | but I think generally most of the talks were legit and not just proprietary stuff |
| 06:42.39 | keldwud | but I leaned more towards the containercon talks |
| 06:44.47 | davido___ | but overall I thought it was pretty good. |
| 06:44.58 | davido___ | and I got some cool nerf guns for the kids from Linode. ;) |
| 06:45.19 | keldwud | they had nerf guns!? I didn't get one |
| 06:45.30 | keldwud | I was trolling all the booths for schwag because I brought my daughter |
| 06:45.33 | keldwud | they offered daycare services |
| 06:45.38 | keldwud | so I was able to bring her with me |
| 06:45.57 | davido___ | oh that's nice. |
| 06:46.08 | keldwud | trolling as in the fishing kind, not the inciting hatred kind :) |
| 06:46.25 | keldwud | she's 7 and I took her to see the documentary |
| 06:46.30 | keldwud | Code: Closing the Gender Gap |
| 06:46.35 | keldwud | she got to meet the director |
| 06:46.48 | keldwud | and learn more about gender roles in our culture |
| 06:47.17 | davido___ | Women who Code had a booth there too. |
| 06:47.58 | davido___ | Someone took a picture of it when it was empty and posted it on twitter. Not sure if that was an intentional dig. |
| 06:48.34 | keldwud | I made sure to grab a pic of the microsoft booth with all the penguins |
| 06:48.51 | davido___ | yeah, i couldn't see what connection they were trying to make. |
| 06:49.57 | davido___ | the sandisk keynote was mostly fluff. lol |
| 06:51.06 | keldwud | I think microsoft was just playing on the "linux vs microsoft" trope and showing that they're beyond that and integrating linux into part of their future solutions |
| 06:52.10 | davido___ | I wonder how many attend MicrosoftCon |
| 06:52.11 | davido___ | haha |
| 06:57.31 | davido___ | alright, gotta sleep. |
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| 14:28.48 | Tod-Work | keldwud, it's better than that, they've BEEN integrating unix stuff into their own stuff for quite some time, and they're supporting linux and BSD as first class citizens in their cloud offerings |
| 14:29.01 | Tod-Work | As an example, try out grep, ls, and wc in Powershell |
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| 15:23.13 | frostyfrog | Well, I just hope that eventually I can run curl, wget, htop, vim, zsh, etc. in the windows commandline someday. Invoke-WebRequest & co aren't exactly the easiest things to type or remember.. Also, they need a better commandline application. Only thing I'm forced to use windows for is games. :( |
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| 15:33.17 | Tod-Work | frostyfrog, doesn't it tab-complete on Invoke-WebRequest specifically? (And you're supposed to be writing these in MS' tools, though I believe you can get some nice completion tools in vim/emacs for it) |
| 15:34.56 | Jayce^ | wow, the new spotify privacy rules are pretty nuts |
| 15:35.24 | Jayce^ | "we may collect information stored on your mobile device, such as contacts, photos, or media files" |
| 15:37.06 | frostyfrog | Tod-Work: That may be true, but like I'm going to think "Invoke-WebRequest" when I want to download or get a file from the web. :p wget $source is just soo much easier to type overall. |
| 15:37.07 | asoc | I can see why they would want your contacts but why do they want/need your photos? |
| 15:37.48 | unum | frostyfrog: I just hope I can stop using windows some day :) |
| 15:37.55 | Tod-Work | frostyfrog, very much agreed. I don't see "Invoke-WebRequest" being a command-line utility at all |
| 15:38.42 | Tod-Work | the point of powershell is to be a very different sort of commandline anyway, so if you want to use it like a unix commandline, you'll find it very limiting |
| 15:38.57 | frostyfrog | asoc: Photos *may* be to match up cover art with your local song media that they don't have in their DB. That's the only thing that I can think of. |
| 15:39.00 | frostyfrog | nods. |
| 15:40.35 | Tod-Work | I very much prefer and like the approach of powershell, but it would never work in a GNU or otherwise open source environment. It requires standards on what objects have to be/behave like. Unix just throws it to text and says "you deal with it" which is fine for scripts, but less intrumentable |
| 15:41.13 | Tod-Work | The problem with powershell, to me, is that it's still running on Windows, and I don't want to run things like apache httpd on windows, and even if I did I wouldn't get any powershell improvements from it |
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| 15:41.18 | Tod-Work | "Just use IIS" hahahahaha |
| 15:42.58 | bregalad | ~linux |
| 15:42.58 | infobot | Was hackmii installer also made in Linux? |
| 16:02.10 | levi | Tod-Work: I really like Powershell, too. In theory, anyway... I haven't actually used it a whole lot. |
| 16:02.50 | Tod-Work | levi, yeah, especially when it's only for Windows, the utility of it goes away quickly |
| 16:03.18 | Tod-Work | not many people have to administer a modern domain or exchange server, and those that do often can't use command-line to save their lives anyway |
| 16:03.21 | levi | At least for people who don't develop/sysadmin on/for Windows on a regular basis. :) |
| 16:04.05 | levi | I think modern domain servers are pretty nifty, too. |
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| 16:18.03 | jlp_znc | my son called me the other day to ask if I knew anything about powershell. I replied something like "I know it exists". |
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| 17:14.15 | Tod-Work | I think the key takeaway from Powershell for any sysadmin is that instead of running a command and getting back a stream of text, you get back a stream of objects (specifically .NET objects) and you can pass those objects around directly instead of parsing them as text again |
| 17:14.34 | Tod-Work | most of those objects ALSO have a string representation, which is what you get converted to when you're spitting them back to stdout |
| 17:15.12 | Tod-Work | So you can do all the normal commandline stuff, but you can also make commands take objects instead, which is compelling as a developer |
| 17:15.38 | bregalad | what would be compelling for an enveloper? |
| 17:15.54 | bregalad | also, can you put objects on a string, like popcorn? |
| 17:16.14 | bregalad | now that would be cool |
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| 17:22.57 | Tod-Work | bregalad, always asking the hard questions |
| 17:24.59 | bregalad | programming is all about shuffling logic around |
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| 19:14.42 | eightyeight | does centos7 not ship pysqlite? |
| 19:14.47 | eightyeight | even in epel? |
| 19:14.53 | eightyeight | or am i missing something? |
| 19:22.39 | eightyeight | looks like it's provided by the 'sqlite2' and 'sqlite3' packages |
| 19:27.39 | eightyeight | hmm. that's not it |
| 19:28.16 | Tod-Work | python-sqlite ? |
| 19:28.35 | eightyeight | doesn't exist |
| 19:28.45 | Tod-Work | weird |
| 19:28.47 | eightyeight | there is 'python-sqlite3dbm.noarch', which isn't what i'm after |
| 19:29.00 | eightyeight | i specifically need pysqlite2 actually |
| 19:29.12 | Tod-Work | ewwwwww |
| 19:29.23 | eightyeight | why? |
| 19:29.30 | Tod-Work | sqlite2 |
| 19:29.48 | Tod-Work | friends do not let friends use sqlite<3 |
| 19:29.59 | Tod-Work | and that's not a heart |
| 19:30.05 | eightyeight | mention that to icinga |
| 19:30.44 | Tod-Work | xymon for life! |
| 19:30.54 | Tod-Work | I thought icinga was supposed to be the nice future-ready one |
| 19:31.05 | Tod-Work | that's just silly |
| 19:31.22 | eightyeight | looks closer |
| 19:34.04 | Tod-Work | I can't even download sqlite2 from the sqlite site |
| 19:34.57 | Tod-Work | https://www.sqlite.org/version3.html <--- 2004. Please tell me icinga hasn't been stuck on sqlite2 for over a decade |
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| 20:07.02 | jlp_znc | okay, we won't tell you. |
| 20:08.44 | Tod-Work | we just can't have nice things |