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| 00:51.45 | RyanE | dumby: we're looking for 'em, too... |
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| 04:10.39 | TodPunk | I've done some work on mobile dev, both in app and in custom ROM for android. I haven't stuck with it because all the jobs I interviewed for didn't want to meet my current salary, let alone incentivize me to switch. Maybe I'm interviewing at the wrong places. |
| 04:10.47 | TodPunk | Or was, since I haven't done that in over a year |
| 04:11.16 | TodPunk | dumby: aren't you out in vernal or something? Maybe that was unum |
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| 06:04.09 | davido___ | Hm. Note to Firefox: When I select an option in Preferences, that's my choice, and I don't want future browser updates to override it. This means no silently slamming my search engine over to Yahoo. |
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| 13:38.01 | eightyeight | https://imgur.com/gallery/a79cZx2 |
| 13:42.20 | jima | davido___: yes, but how much did you pay firefox for your opinion? |
| 13:43.16 | eightyeight | and how long will firefox remain relevant? |
| 13:44.09 | jima | it's hard to say. chrome is kind of screwing over some use cases with the drop in npapi support. |
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| 15:09.54 | Tod-Work | https://medium.com/@dtauerbach/software-engineers-will-be-obsolete-by-2060-2a214fdf9737 Hilarious. Simply hilarious. |
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| 15:14.41 | eightyeight | i haven't read a good article out of the medium yet |
| 15:15.15 | Tod-Work | I wrote one, you could give it a try. I probably won't write another |
| 15:16.45 | Tod-Work | https://medium.com/@todpunk/book-review-learning-saltstack-by-colton-myers-edaf274c5e21 |
| 15:16.48 | Tod-Work | there ya go |
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| 16:10.58 | levi | "Software engineers will be obsolete by 2060" Um, I disagree. |
| 16:12.34 | Tod-Work | It's laughable to the extreme |
| 16:12.52 | levi | Software engineers are absolutely nothing like telegraph operators, and people have been claiming that automated programming was going to take their jobs since assemblers were invented. Now more than ever, we know that's unlikely to happen. |
| 16:13.52 | levi | The job sure as hell better *change* somewhat before 2060 or we're all going to be completely screwed by malfunctioning and maliciously modified software, but the jobs certainly aren't going to go away. |
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| 16:14.21 | Tod-Work | from my channel: <yuriks> claiming that computers will ever replace programmers is like implying that artists were rendered obsolete after Photoshop automated painting |
| 16:19.34 | levi | Man, I got a decent amount of sleep last night, and I'm still super-tired. |
| 16:22.45 | jalbretsen | levi: Must be going around. I wanted to fall asleep in my morning meeting |
| 16:23.39 | levi | Why is it that math articles on Wikipedia are extremely technical and full of advanced detail, but network protocol articles just give some contextual information but no real details *about* protocols? |
| 16:24.13 | levi | And whatever marketing genius came up with "Internet of Things" needs to be taken out and shot, perhaps after being drawn and quartered. |
| 16:24.19 | levi | Also, I'm a little grumpy. |
| 16:29.39 | bregalad | ~napoleon levi |
| 16:29.39 | infobot | ACTION makes levi feed Tina |
| 16:30.16 | bregalad | I prefer "Thing Internet" |
| 16:31.23 | bregalad | "Everyone will be a software engineer by 2060" |
| 16:31.35 | bregalad | https://xkcd.com/887/ |
| 16:48.39 | jalbretsen | I prefer "Series of Tubes" |
| 16:50.41 | Tod-Work | I'm just going to leave this here.... http://weputachipinit.tumblr.com/ |
| 16:52.09 | levi | I imagine a fictional person who is compelled to buy every "smart" gadget. Imagine the clutter on that person's phone... |
| 16:54.13 | levi | Tod-Work: I must forward this to my coworkers. :) |
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| 17:30.41 | RyanE | levi: Sleep Apnea? |
| 17:33.02 | levi | RyanE: I guess it's possible, but I think it's more likely just the fact that I've got a massive sleep deficit that one full night couldn't make up for. |
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| 17:39.28 | RyanE | Before I was diagnosed with sleep apnea, I thought it was normal to yawn all day. If you're not doing that (like every 5 minutes), you're probably OK. :) |
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| 21:43.26 | rogerpb | goozbach, are you up? |
| 21:45.32 | bregalad | or is he down? |
| 21:46.54 | rogerpb | anyway... Hi #utah. I'm Roger. I live in Payson. I work at Bluehost. I'm a junior system administrator. I'm pretty sure goozbach is a coworker of mine. The end. |
| 21:48.16 | bregalad | cool |
| 21:49.03 | rogerpb | I'm studying for LPIC-2 right now, so I thought I'd sign in and see if I know anything yet. |
| 21:49.29 | rogerpb | bregalad, what's your story? |
| 21:50.24 | bregalad | welcome to #utah, where an inflammatory style is required |
| 21:50.44 | bregalad | I haven't written a story in a long time; too long |
| 21:54.38 | bregalad | I'm trying to find this recording of Schubert's 14th string quartet |
| 21:55.16 | bregalad | it was on youtube but now I can't find it. I must have listened to 15 recordings by now and none of them even come close, except for the one by the Melos Quartet, of course |
| 21:55.37 | rogerpb | oh I hate that when I found something on youtube and can't find it again. happens all the time. |
| 21:56.12 | rogerpb | and when I do find it, turns out it was on vimeo or something silly like that. |
| 21:56.57 | rogerpb | when you find it, I'd like to hear it. I enjoy certain classical music. |
| 21:56.58 | bregalad | youtube's search is extremely biased towards new stuff |
| 21:57.08 | bregalad | sure |
| 21:58.56 | bregalad | I used to play wedding quartets with my brothers all the time, but I haven't done that in years |
| 21:59.13 | bregalad | when you get older, none of your friends are getting married, I guess |
| 22:00.00 | bregalad | playing chamber music with your family must be one of the highest felicities one can possibly experience |
| 22:00.59 | rogerpb | i can imagine. |
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| 22:33.46 | programmerq | hey rogerpb |
| 22:33.51 | programmerq | how's it goin? |
| 22:42.53 | rogerpb | hello. I am well. I am just finishing a textbook after months so I'm feeling happy. |
| 22:48.43 | rogerpb | bam! LPIC-2 textbook finally finished just now. That took forever. |
| 22:55.39 | levi | Congrats. :) |
| 22:58.55 | rogerpb | thank you :D |
| 23:11.12 | levi | Hmm, I know something about most of those LPIC-2 topics, I think. |
| 23:13.37 | levi | It has been a long time since I was officially a system adminstrator, though. :) |
| 23:15.54 | rogerpb | I'm on a quest to earn 6-figure income as a senior linux administrator. I got employed in support, worked my way up to L2, L3, Jr. SysAdmin for hardware, now Jr. SysAdmin for monitoring. Still so much to learn. |
| 23:16.30 | levi | Yeah, and they change it all on you every few years, too. :) |
| 23:16.31 | rogerpb | my goals for this year are LPIC-2, LFCE, RHCSA, and RHCE. |
| 23:16.37 | rogerpb | they sure do |
| 23:16.59 | rogerpb | the LPIC-2 is still focused on SysV and Upstart. Already that's old because Upstart is going away in favor of SystemD. |
| 23:17.30 | levi | systemd is my friend, though I guess it's still not everyone's friend. |
| 23:17.39 | rogerpb | And Ibought a voucher for LFCE on RHEL6 and since then the RHEL7 exam came out, so I have to adjust. |
| 23:18.01 | rogerpb | The more I learn about systemd, the more I like it. |
| 23:20.20 | levi | If you're just running a server that reboots infrequently and has a fairly static set of services, it's probably not a huge improvement. But on a system with lots of hotplug peripherals and rebooting, it's wonderful. |
| 23:20.40 | rogerpb | right on |
| 23:20.49 | levi | Also, my opinion might be a bit skewed by my hatred for shell script. |
| 23:22.42 | levi | I've implemented embedded systems with QNX and SysV-style init scripts, Linux and SysV-style init scripts, and Linux with systemd. The latter is *so* much better at getting things booted quickly and reliably in a variety of situations. |
| 23:24.34 | rogerpb | I could see that. Just define a .target with the stuff you need enabled and voila. |
| 23:25.51 | levi | When you have to undo a ton of screws to get to a serial console, it's nice to always have the network and your main control program come up reliably. |