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| 04:00.09 | maquis | Question: if a device is broadcasting an unsecured wifi network, what would be the best way to determine what that device is? It isn't our primary router. |
| 04:01.24 | maquis | the network seems to appear and disappear frequently... |
| 04:02.39 | maquis | and I think i named something by that name a couple years ago... but i can't remember what I named that. The name shows up also as a device that has connected to our wireless router in the past. |
| 04:06.58 | maquis | Installing kismet to see what I can find, but... any other suggestions? |
| 04:24.05 | goozbach | wireshark os fingerprint |
| 04:24.28 | goozbach | if you can connect |
| 04:24.47 | goozbach | poweroff your mains and see if it still broadcasts |
| 04:24.50 | goozbach | :) |
| 04:24.57 | goozbach | and how the heck are ya!? |
| 04:25.00 | goozbach | been a long time! |
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| 05:48.16 | Sargun | I thought maquis was in Seattle? |
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| 14:11.54 | inovent | New contacts on my iPhone becoming suggestions on my Facebook is just creepy. |
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| 14:27.09 | HexaKhan | When I opened the facebook app one day and shows me the pictures I took recently (using just the camera) and having everything already checked asking me to upload is when I gave up on the facebook app. |
| 14:27.24 | HexaKhan | So something similar |
| 14:31.29 | eightyeight | https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/08/05/libreoffice-5-0-stands-out-from-the-office-suite-crowd/ |
| 14:36.59 | inovent | HEH |
| 14:37.36 | inovent | I also had it create another contact for a friend, but only for his email which I feel a little creeped out about too. It's all just too invasive |
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| 15:08.24 | bregalad | don't feel too bad, it's all just data to them :-) |
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| 15:58.46 | levi | Tod-Work: Bluetooth LE (aka Bluetooth Smart now) is probably going to be the cheapest way to do low-power mesh networks, but the mesh stuff is not in the standards yet. Standardization should show up in the next rev, though. |
| 16:00.47 | Tod-Work | oh man, is it still going to be as complex and flaky as bluetooth normally is? |
| 16:00.50 | levi | WiFi on Microcontroller is getting pretty cheap now too, but I dunno if they generally support WiFi mesh. |
| 16:01.00 | Tod-Work | (both as a user and a dev, bluetooth is just terrible) |
| 16:01.41 | Tod-Work | though I haven't found anything better widely available, I CAN just reinvent that wheel if I have a thing that has a radio on it |
| 16:01.54 | levi | Wireless is just terrible. Bluetooth adds some, but the Bluetooth Smart interaction is a bit different than the classic model. |
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| 16:29.14 | levi | Tod-Work: Something like this could be both your radio *and* MCU: http://www.mouser.com/new/ackme-networks/ackme-ams00x-bobcat/ |
| 16:29.39 | levi | Broadcom provides a free SDK for it, the WICED Smart SDK. |
| 16:29.56 | levi | I've used the WiFi version of WICED, and it's reasonably nice. |
| 16:32.02 | levi | Big advantage of Bluetooth Smart is that it's the version of Bluetooth that Apple doesn't completely lock down or require a bunch of extra hoops to work with in iOS. And Android support is getting there, too. |
| 16:32.24 | levi | This makes it pretty easy to make a convenient control app for your device network. |
| 16:33.09 | levi | Rather than requiring a separate gateway module or somesuch. |
| 16:35.49 | Tod-Work | levi, that may be perfect |
| 16:36.19 | Tod-Work | and I don't mind an extra gateway module/server |
| 16:36.26 | Tod-Work | but not having it is nice too |
| 16:36.42 | Tod-Work | architectural decisions I can make later, I guess |
| 16:36.57 | Tod-Work | I'll probably yak at you about this tonight and LDUG |
| 16:37.01 | levi | Sure. |
| 16:37.45 | Tod-Work | (this is a very slow-boil project all things considered. It's going to be a year or so before I produce anything, especially as I have to focus on Phone Janitor in my spare time) |
| 16:38.37 | levi | $7 or $9 per SMD module ain't bad for a single-quantity MCU+Radio part with a free SDK. |
| 16:39.21 | levi | These ACKme guys have a $62 dev board with the module and some sample peripherals on it, too. |
| 16:43.24 | Tod-Work | Yeah, and making PCBs for this would be like another $1 plus some parts for the power supply bits |
| 16:43.38 | levi | The nice thing about going with a pre-integrated module is they've already passed FCC certification and BT compliance testing. |
| 16:43.58 | levi | They should be runnable off coin cell batteries, too. |
| 16:48.33 | Tod-Work | probably for quite some time |
| 16:49.49 | Tod-Work | I'd need to figure out how to see if they're still connected to the mesh so that could be the indicator they ran out of battery |
| 16:50.40 | levi | This would probably be worth getting and playing with first: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Broadcom/BCM9WICED_SENSE/?qs=Lb6%252b0IsOw4%252bhtTmTKa1UoA%3d%3d |
| 16:51.14 | levi | Hard to go wrong with it for $20. |
| 16:52.32 | levi | Especially since it comes with a bunch of cool sensors and demonstrates how it works running off a coin cell. |
| 16:58.02 | levi | Here's the innards of it: http://www.ingchuang.com/uploads/article/20150105/e58e4d8792798ba945f7b0873023a0a5.png |
| 16:59.24 | Tod-Work | I need to organize my bookmarks. Like my music collection, it's just grown over a couple decades and hasn't been kept sane or pruned at all |
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| 20:10.40 | inovent | you can spy on me, just don't touch my stuff. |
| 20:10.44 | inovent | :P |
| 20:12.09 | inovent | I say that you "can" because I don't really have a choice in the matter. even after reading up on Windows 10, I feel like I have no choice, but to let them watch me. http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/ |
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| 22:26.51 | shalkie | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.15 | shalkie | I love it when things limit password length. -_- |
| 22:29.27 | bregalad | at least you got a message about it |
| 22:31.56 | Tod-Work | shalkie, VNC, man. |
| 22:32.32 | shalkie | meh. |
| 22:32.54 | shalkie | Simple and effective. |
| 22:33.02 | shalkie | At least for what I need. |
| 22:33.19 | shalkie | ssh will deal with the biggest issues I have for it. |
| 22:33.33 | shalkie | (speed and security). |
| 22:34.04 | Tod-Work | no, I mean using VNC and expecting security, like the 8 char password thing |
| 22:34.29 | Tod-Work | I don't think the VNC protocol has been updated in ever |
| 22:54.23 | shalkie | Tod-Work: RealVNC has progressed it into the 5 series and seems to producing updates. |
| 22:55.25 | Tod-Work | they've added their own extensions, actual raw unextended VNC is terribad |
| 22:55.57 | Tod-Work | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFB_protocol |
| 22:57.33 | shalkie | *shrug* They are the current maintainers of the protocol. No arguing that the unextended prtocol leaves much room for improvements. |
| 22:59.17 | Tod-Work | Not at all disagreeing that it's their protocol (at least under the VNC moniker) |
| 22:59.45 | shalkie | Then I guess we agree. :) |
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| 23:01.29 | shalkie | I am using it on a temporary system to test something out. The box won't last the night. I locked down the box with the firewall and am going to tunnel over ssh. ssh is the only open service. |
| 23:02.36 | shalkie | It was the chinese take out of my options. Quick, easy and temporary. :) |
| 23:02.38 | Tod-Work | I'm not saying you're being insecure or criticizing your setup. I was mostly pointing out that your discovery of the password length restriction is just the tip of the iceberg on VNC sadness =cP |
| 23:03.45 | Tod-Work | I had to use a VNC server for a bit to start a graphical app using an OpenGL context once. |
| 23:04.06 | Tod-Work | I think I replaced it with TeamViewer eventually, but that whole box (and the need) is dead now |
| 23:04.52 | shalkie | Yeah, i want to check an app called Open-Sankore and I don't have it in my current environment. I know Ubuntu is directly supported so up goes Ubuntu for an eval run. |
| 23:07.31 | Tod-Work | The english on that site is so very French it's fantastic |
| 23:07.31 | Tod-Work | I know it's a French company, I just happened to notice that before I looked up at the language option or where the company was |
| 23:10.25 | shalkie | Yeah, I love how they have planete.sankore.org. :) |
| 23:10.44 | shalkie | and a JournalDesModifications.pdf file |
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| 23:24.49 | Tod-Work | LDUG!!! |
| 23:24.52 | shalkie | :) |
| 23:25.05 | shalkie | Have fun. |
