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| 17:10.00 | unum | will tcpdump show udp packets as well? the man page seems to suggest it will |
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| 17:17.32 | programmerq | unum: it will |
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| 17:28.20 | unum | programmerq: by default or do I need to set a flag |
| 17:29.51 | programmerq | unum: have to set a flag. I use tcpdump not so often these days, so I don't remember what it is. |
| 17:30.48 | unum | I guess I should have jsut googled that :) |
| 17:30.49 | unum | thanks |
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| 17:37.05 | goozbach | harleypig: there *MIGHT* be an option to scponly that'd do that, but the quickest route would be NFS |
| 17:41.12 | unum | harleypig: you can also us webdav |
| 17:41.19 | unum | s/us/use |
| 17:46.55 | harleypig | Well, it's a combination of laziness (on my part) and lack of desire to do much technical support. What I want is to allow a child access to a directory of videos on my computer as a mounted directory on their system, so they just have to open the directory and double click the file they want to watch. |
| 17:47.50 | harleypig | I'm already using sshfs and auto.sshfs for global access, but I want to limit scary and older themed videos to the older children. |
| 17:48.24 | harleypig | hmmm ... I wonder if auto.sshfs can be used for individual users... |
| 17:51.45 | harleypig | omg ... I'm a moron. Put @reboot sshfs ... in the child's crontab ... |
| 17:52.06 | harleypig | *sigh* WHY? Why do I make things more difficult than they need to be?! |
| 17:53.22 | goozbach | harleypig: proper user accounts and perms will fix the other issue (limits and whatnot) |
| 17:53.57 | levi | unum: Any particular reason you need to use tcpdump itself? |
| 17:54.15 | harleypig | Yeah, but I was hung up on making the process as automated as possible because I didn't want to have to troubleshoot much. |
| 17:55.46 | levi | harleypig: Plex allows you to separate out various libraries and let different users have access to different libraries. It's a pretty low-troubleshoot solution, if a bit on the proprietary side. |
| 17:57.10 | harleypig | hmmm ... that looks interesting. |
| 17:57.24 | harleypig | You're talking about plex..tv right? |
| 17:57.27 | levi | Yup. |
| 17:57.29 | frostyfrog | Yup |
| 17:59.18 | levi | It does a really good job of getting the metadata right for media files. |
| 18:00.02 | levi | If you've got recent game consoles, it's got clients for those too. |
| 18:00.49 | harleypig | Does it take over the box, or can I leave it as a headless daemon so the box can be used as "normal"? |
| 18:01.07 | levi | It's a background process. |
| 18:01.27 | levi | Uses a lot of CPU when a client needs on-the-fly transcoding, though. |
| 18:01.28 | fungus | unum, tcpdump is a poorly named packet capture tool. It will "dump" all packets by default. |
| 18:02.06 | fungus | Though you may want to read the man page so you can specify the filter to dump only the packets you care about. |
| 18:02.36 | levi | unum: If you need a terminal program to dump packets, I would suggest tshark over tcpdump these days. |
| 18:03.13 | fungus | agreed, tshark has better terminal output than tcpdump. |
| 18:03.17 | harleypig | *sigh* ... it's not like I had anything else to do today :D |
| 18:03.26 | levi | If the client supports whatever encoding the server has, though, the Plex server doesn't take a whole lot of resources. |
| 18:04.01 | fungus | Though if just capturing traffic to a file for later use with another tool (eg. wireshark), tcpdump is not any worse than tshark |
| 18:04.02 | levi | harleypig: Plex takes less time to set up than just about any other media server I've played with. Just install it, point it at your media files, and wait for it to index them. |
| 18:05.48 | harleypig | levi: I'm trying it out now, but it's an arch box, so I'm reading the plex page first. |
| 18:05.59 | levi | So, tshark/wireshark and tcpdump both use libpcap, which is now a thin layer around the kernel PCAP API, which understands and JIT-compiles (assuming that's enabled) the BPF virtual machine code to match your packets. |
| 18:07.14 | harleypig | wow ... even the arch page is brief ... |
| 18:07.56 | levi | There's not a lot to it... you run it and it figures everything out itself, for the most part. |
| 18:09.26 | unum | ya I should just use wirkshark |
| 18:09.40 | unum | I just wanted a quick way to see if any packets were being sent at all |
| 18:10.07 | bregalad | levi: sounds cool |
| 18:10.15 | unum | I've installed zoiper on a stripped down fedora box and it won't register with my asterisk box |
| 18:10.15 | bregalad | I think I'll try that as well |
| 18:10.18 | levi | I mean, if you want to spend a lot of time tweaking everything, you should probably run Kodi (formerly known as XBMC) instead. But Plex works well and doesn't require a lot of tweaking. |
| 18:10.34 | bregalad | xbmc forked again? |
| 18:10.43 | goozbach | again!? |
| 18:10.52 | levi | No, Kodi is *renamed* xbmc. |
| 18:10.59 | levi | No fork involved. |
| 18:11.28 | bregalad | I tried xbmc once and it maxed 6 of 8 cores while doing nothing |
| 18:11.33 | levi | Plex Home Theater is a fork of XBMC, but it's been that way for a long time, and it's only one of many clients for the Plex server, which is the interesting part. |
| 18:12.36 | levi | XBMC was designed for a video game console, so it's got a game-style render loop for its UI. |
| 18:13.13 | levi | Might have also been doing some background indexing and update stuff. |
| 18:13.27 | bregalad | that's true |
| 18:14.29 | levi | It's pretty, but it pretty much demands that you spend a lot of time tweaking it. |
| 18:16.43 | harleypig | :D One of the settings for transcoder quality is "Make my CPU hurt" :D |
| 18:17.41 | bregalad | FFTs ftw |
| 18:18.37 | goozbach | isn't it about time that GPU bitcoin mining is no longer profitable? shouldnt' there be a flood of GPU cards hitting the market? |
| 18:18.44 | goozbach | second-hand market |
| 18:19.05 | programmerq | GPU mining actually wears cards out to failure |
| 18:19.13 | programmerq | can, anyway |
| 18:19.59 | bregalad | how many bit coins are even in a GPU? |
| 18:20.20 | programmerq | these days, very few. |
| 18:20.26 | bregalad | when you're done mining, what do you do witht he toxic virtual mining waste? |
| 18:20.37 | programmerq | I played with crypto gpu mining about a year ago. |
| 18:20.58 | programmerq | trying to mine bitcoin was a joke. I couldn't even get any shares found (gtx 660) for a mineshare setup. |
| 18:21.19 | programmerq | with the litecoin and clones (particularly doge), I could about break even with what I spent on electricity |
| 18:21.39 | programmerq | granted, the $60.00 or so I got in dogecoin is now worth a fraction of that |
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| 18:27.19 | levi | bregalad: All the toxic virtual mining waste is contained in the rare metals in your GPU. :P |
| 18:30.32 | bregalad | http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/aug/07/china-rare-earth-village-pollution |
| 18:42.15 | frostyfrog | Did you get Plex all setup, harleypig? (Just checking up and making sure :) ) |
| 18:42.45 | programmerq | it might be fun to extract metals from old chips |
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| 18:50.40 | harleypig | frostyfrog: yes, then I screwed it up. |
| 18:51.25 | harleypig | I made some configuration changes then I couldn't access the web interface any more. |
| 18:51.37 | harleypig | If I connect via elinks I get an ssl error. |
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| 18:53.12 | harleypig | connecting via elinks from a remote server on the household network I mean. If I connect via elinks from the same box I get links to images, but I can't get to a config page. |
| 19:26.03 | programmerq | so I tried sending an email to someone. I rejected by their mail server pointing me to a crappy description as to what a dnsrbl is |
| 19:26.23 | programmerq | if I put my IP into http://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx, I'm green across the board |
| 19:26.25 | programmerq | soooo |
| 19:26.28 | programmerq | ? |
| 19:26.42 | programmerq | maybe they don't like me because I don't have DKIM set up. |
| 19:29.42 | shalkie | programmerq: Was it a google hosted domain? |
| 19:29.47 | Tod-Work | programmerq, I have 500,000 doge just because I could |
| 19:30.04 | Tod-Work | ran stuff at work with all our dev machines, have it just sitting there |
| 19:30.13 | Tod-Work | every once in a while I check to see how worthless it is now |
| 19:30.54 | shalkie | Also check SPF, some servers are picky about it. |
| 19:30.59 | shalkie | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework |
| 19:32.02 | Tod-Work | programmerq, pro tip: just don't email them |
| 19:32.17 | shalkie | Yeah, all things through the twitters! |
| 19:32.22 | Tod-Work | if they're going to be that picky, they just don't want to be contacted |
| 19:34.30 | programmerq | it's my own email server. spf was set up properly. not google hosted. |
| 19:34.37 | shalkie | Oh. |
| 19:35.02 | programmerq | it looked like they were using some sort of black box "email protecter" type service/module/whatever |
| 19:35.10 | programmerq | those are a pain to deal with. |
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| 20:00.36 | eightyeight | http://dustri.org/b/firefox-youre-supposed-to-be-in-my-pocket-not-the-other-way-around.html |
| 20:00.50 | Tod-Work | Firefox is the new IE |
| 20:00.53 | Tod-Work | hands down |
| 20:01.10 | eightyeight | :( |
| 20:01.17 | eightyeight | i've been running firefox since 0.8 |
| 20:01.28 | eightyeight | how the mighty have fallen |
| 20:01.32 | jima | i've been running firefox since mozilla. |
| 20:02.13 | eightyeight | yeah. i was on mozilla post-netscape as well |
| 20:04.07 | Tod-Work | I used IE and Konqueror |
| 20:04.37 | eightyeight | thankfully, there's chromium |
| 20:04.50 | Tod-Work | I only switched to Firefox when it changed to the firefox name (firebird it was before, iirc) |
| 20:06.00 | Tod-Work | As a web dev, I'm also constantly running into random nonsense Firefox has broken or implemented for essentially no reason (or stupid reasons). Bugs going back 4 years where the devs are essentially saying it's broken as intended. |
| 20:06.36 | eightyeight | just when you were hoping those days were over... |
| 20:06.38 | Tod-Work | Like it saves the "disabled" state of forms when you go back to a form, just to preserve the "autofilled" state |
| 20:07.22 | Tod-Work | so if you disabled a button based on user input in some other placed, because it's a form field, that disabled state stays there until you initialized it back to enabled, which the user can't do, only javascript can |
| 20:07.58 | Tod-Work | (the workaround is to set a no autofill flag on every tag you don't want state manage, and you must do so in the html, not on javascript after the fact) |
| 20:08.11 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:12.06 | bregalad | eightyeight: considering how you've teased me about firefox before, I thought you were a chromium user :) |
| 20:12.17 | eightyeight | nope |
| 20:12.28 | bregalad | I've migrated to palemoon :-/ |
| 20:12.34 | eightyeight | i use it, but firefox/iceweasel has always been my primary browser |
| 20:12.45 | bregalad | seems to be working pretty well |
| 20:12.52 | eightyeight | i also use midori and w3m(1) |
| 20:13.11 | bregalad | what about icecat? |
| 20:13.31 | bregalad | so many firefox foils |
| 20:13.37 | eightyeight | chromium is still technically superior to firefox in many aspects, however |
| 20:13.52 | eightyeight | many of which, firefox implemented, and others they're considering |
| 20:14.18 | bregalad | it's a scary, depressing time to be a web user :( |
| 20:14.19 | eightyeight | firefox still has superior encrypted password support, as well as proxy support, imo |
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| 20:15.54 | joshh | whats the difference with passwords? |
| 20:17.10 | eightyeight | chromium/chrome saves passwords to disk by default, if a WM keychain-daemon isn't running and unlocked |
| 20:17.19 | eightyeight | firefox can use an internal master password |
| 20:17.25 | RyanE | bregalad: It's *always* been a scary, depressing time to be a web user... |
| 20:17.38 | bregalad | RyanE: lol |
| 20:18.10 | harleypig | But the way in which it's scary and depressing keeps changing, so it's hard to keep up with what you're supposed to be scared and depressed about. |
| 20:18.15 | Tod-Work | I have never trusted any password manager in a browser |
| 20:18.19 | Tod-Work | I never will |
| 20:18.22 | eightyeight | s/saves passwords to disk/saves passwords in plaintext to disk/ |
| 20:18.43 | eightyeight | the master password in firefox uses 3DES |
| 20:19.03 | Tod-Work | 3DES? Really? |
| 20:19.13 | Tod-Work | that's terrible |
| 20:19.17 | eightyeight | why? |
| 20:19.27 | eightyeight | it still has a sufficient security margin, and it's fast |
| 20:19.59 | Tod-Work | As encryption goes, it's incredibly lightweight |
| 20:20.09 | Tod-Work | You know that |
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| 20:20.30 | eightyeight | sure. block size is 64-bits. AES is either 128-bits or 256-bits |
| 20:20.57 | eightyeight | that doesn't mean it's insecure though |
| 20:21.29 | eightyeight | actually, i think AES is hard-coded at 128-bit block sizes |
| 20:21.32 | eightyeight | looks |
| 20:21.53 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 20:22.23 | eightyeight | rijndael supports 128, 160, 192, 224, and 256 bit block sizes. AES is standardized on 128-bit only |
| 20:22.30 | Tod-Work | There's a 192, but I wouldn't use it |
| 20:22.41 | Tod-Work | oh, block size, yes |
| 20:23.35 | eightyeight | actually, i haven't looked at the source on that for a while |
| 20:23.41 | eightyeight | i wonder if it's changed |
| 20:25.17 | romanovic | anyone have any tricks to recover some data from a hard drive that throws a bunch of READ DMA failures on startup? |
| 20:26.13 | romanovic | I'm hoping the data on the platters is still intact. it still powers up and spins normally. can't get the computer to read anything from the device though |
| 20:26.49 | eightyeight | can you see the device? |
| 20:27.20 | romanovic | after seeing those errors, I can boot off of my primary drive, and the device is present in /dev |
| 20:27.52 | romanovic | however, any process that touches the device locks up (fdisk, lsblk, dd, ddrescue, etc) |
| 20:27.54 | Tod-Work | If you can't get through the controller, and the platters ARE fine, you'll probably need to swap platters with another working drive |
| 20:28.41 | romanovic | Tod-Work: that's what I'm hoping... i've never swapped platters between drives though |
| 20:29.04 | romanovic | i just assumed I'd need to send it to a data recovery lab to handle in a clean room environment |
| 20:29.09 | unum | Mozilla->Phoenix->firebird->firefox |
| 20:29.13 | unum | I was there for all of it |
| 20:29.28 | unum | I even remember something called kamelion or something like that |
| 20:30.03 | levi | No love for Opera? :P |
| 20:30.58 | unum | K-Meleon |
| 20:31.06 | unum | nope not from me |
| 20:32.48 | unum | ah ya k-meleon would have been what I was using on windows prior to phoenix |
| 20:32.48 | eightyeight | i played with opera for a bit. tried out the various "internet suites" |
| 20:32.53 | eightyeight | didn't stick for long though |
| 20:33.22 | unum | I did try it briefly as well prior to k-meleon, tabs were a nice feature |
| 20:33.27 | unum | which is of course why everyone stole them |
| 20:34.07 | bregalad | I remember tabs being the UI feature everyone abandoned in the 90s |
| 20:34.11 | bregalad | at least on windows |
| 20:34.58 | eightyeight | the fact i couldn't "<ctrl>-<pgup>/<pgdn>" to change tabs in opera was a big killer at the time, i remember |
| 20:35.06 | eightyeight | the keyboard shortcuts were nothing like what i was used to |
| 20:39.42 | eightyeight | yup. looks like it's still 3DES for the firefox master password encryption algorithm |
| 20:39.48 | eightyeight | which, is still FIPS-140 compliant |
| 20:48.21 | Tod-Work | levi, really? you went there? |
| 20:50.29 | Tod-Work | The only time I ever was forced to use Opera was when it was the default browser for the Wii |
| 20:52.07 | Tod-Work | Opera has consistently been my sister-in-law's choice and every time I saw her use it she was struggling with it and usually something about scroll bars acting off, but she just assumed that's how using the internet was and didn't mind (and could not be shown the greener pastures of any-other-browser of course) |
| 20:52.12 | eightyeight | it was the best mobile browser long before chrome and firefox hit the scene |
| 20:52.37 | Tod-Work | If you're using mobile to browse the web enough that you care about the differences in browsers, you need to get a computer |
| 20:53.00 | eightyeight | oh, man |
| 20:53.03 | Tod-Work | dismisses most mobile users out of hand |
| 20:53.10 | eightyeight | the browsers on the palm's were Teh. Suck. |
| 20:53.15 | Tod-Work | hahahhaa |
| 20:53.19 | eightyeight | except opera mini |
| 20:53.22 | Tod-Work | browsing the web on a palm |
| 20:53.25 | Tod-Work | oh wow |
| 20:53.28 | Tod-Work | that takes me back |
| 20:53.28 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 20:53.45 | Tod-Work | the web sucked as it was back then, but the palm shouldn't have even tried |
| 20:53.48 | eightyeight | then when android was a think, opera was the first 3rd party browser to reach the markets |
| 20:53.56 | eightyeight | *thing |
| 20:54.11 | Tod-Work | most of our hits from android are dolphin |
| 20:54.19 | eightyeight | the default browser is "okay", but opera was ++ on android |
| 20:54.22 | eightyeight | now, meh |
| 20:54.50 | Tod-Work | firefox has a better download manager than chrome on android, that's about the only difference I've noticed, and only tangentially |
| 20:55.12 | eightyeight | firefox on mobile struggled for a long time |
| 20:55.25 | eightyeight | in my experience, it was slow and buggy. even rebooting my phone at times. |
| 20:55.36 | eightyeight | has stablized the past year, or so though |
| 20:57.47 | programmerq | sometimes when a site isn't built for mobile, I'll switch to firefox for android |
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| 20:58.08 | programmerq | and sometimes that works different and lets me deal with the crappy site |
| 20:58.12 | programmerq | that's about it. |
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| 21:23.30 | RyanE | Tod-Work: the solution to supporting a family member who likes X is to install Y with a desktop icon that looks like X. "No, it's definitely X. It's just the latest version." |
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| 21:35.57 | eightyeight | Opera still has the most responsive UI though. |
| 21:36.09 | rsimpkins | RyanE: So, Internet Explorer is now Chrome? |
| 21:36.21 | RyanE | exactly |
| 22:26.29 | Tod-Work | eightyeight, "responsive UI" You terrible, terrible person |
| 22:26.52 | Tod-Work | RyanE, who supports family members? Fake a learning disability (relevant-PA) |
| 22:30.37 | eightyeight | Hah |
| 22:33.25 | RyanE | Tod-Work: switch out the browser icon, *then* fake a stroke would be ideal. |
| 22:33.35 | Tod-Work | mmmm, fair |
| 22:34.37 | RyanE | grmmphhh.... aaazkjzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. |
| 22:35.55 | Migs | https://i.imgur.com/VRZ5fIw.gifv |
| 22:36.46 | RyanE | brilliant. Ruin the $800 bow to get the $10 bird. |
| 22:48.13 | Tod-Work | man, where's youtah when you want to talk about photography? |
| 22:48.31 | jima | probably photographing stuff |
| 22:49.25 | rsimpkins | Tod-Work: What about photography? |
| 22:50.40 | Tod-Work | My house starts getting built this week, and I want to take pics of the process, once a day every weekday at about 5-6 PM, and do a time-lapse of the whole process. Was wondering if there were obvious caveats to avoid. My Canon T3i should be more than enough for the project, I'd think. |
| 22:51.14 | Tod-Work | Plus it's like two blocks from his house |
| 22:51.54 | rsimpkins | Take two shots. One with auto exosure, and one set manual with the same settings every time (set for daylight). You might find one approach is more pleasing than the other when you stitch them together. |
| 22:52.03 | rsimpkins | Don't forget to set WB consistently as well. |
| 22:52.56 | Tod-Work | what is WB? |
| 22:52.57 | rsimpkins | As the sun moves each day, you'll get some creeping shadows. So you probably want to be really close to the right time. |
| 22:53.01 | rsimpkins | Tod-Work: White balance. |
| 22:53.10 | Tod-Work | is totally going to ruin this |
| 22:53.14 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 22:53.29 | rsimpkins | It doesn't have to be pro-quality to be enjoyable for you and your family. Does it? |
| 22:53.43 | Tod-Work | But what about internet fame? =cP |
| 22:54.12 | rsimpkins | ha! How much money do you have to sink in to this project for a few hundred likes on Facebook? |
| 22:54.25 | Tod-Work | Some gas money |
| 22:54.51 | bregalad | gaseous money |
| 22:55.24 | rsimpkins | Well, then you need a very attractive girl who can create a scandal in your new neighborhood... or a cute baby and/or baby animals. |
| 22:55.51 | rsimpkins | Or several cats. |
| 22:56.03 | rsimpkins | Cats are probably the easiest way to go. |
| 22:56.34 | rsimpkins | Let me know if you have a cat. I have an idea.... :) |
| 22:56.54 | Tod-Work | my wife is very attractive, though she might not want to start a scandal |
| 22:57.08 | Tod-Work | my coworker has a couple cats |
| 22:57.35 | joshh | pics? |
| 22:57.40 | rsimpkins | Okay, get the cat. Then take two shots on manual exposure. One shot with the house only. Then another shot of two people throwing the cat between them. |
| 22:57.50 | rsimpkins | Photoshop out the people, then stitch together the photos. |
| 22:57.59 | rsimpkins | Now in your video you'll have a spastic cat flying around. |
| 22:58.09 | rsimpkins | That's good for at least 100-200 FB likes. |
| 22:58.57 | rsimpkins | It helps if you have a cat that likes to be thrown. |
| 23:00.40 | Tod-Work | what cat doesn't? |
| 23:01.06 | rsimpkins | Cat's that have cancer, apparently. |
| 23:01.22 | rsimpkins | Cats with cancer are to be avoided. |
| 23:02.52 | Tod-Work | Cats with cancer should be fed to something else so their power can be gained |
| 23:02.58 | Tod-Work | Like a horse |
| 23:03.39 | Tod-Work | Or some butterflies |
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