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| 00:01.38 | youtah | jima, I have been known to order a Veggie Burger with Bacon. cc: fozzmoo |
| 00:02.01 | youtah | s/Bacon/Bacon & Cheese/ |
| 00:05.31 | jima | bacon cheeseburgers are the best proof of how terrible of a jew i am. |
| 00:05.43 | youtah | lol |
| 00:16.51 | bregalad | how is it that ksl classifieds gets 10x the traffic of craigslist when the site itself is so awful? |
| 00:17.17 | jima | i have an answer, but it might not be very polite |
| 00:23.00 | keldwud | ooh, I want to hear! |
| 00:23.20 | jima | muses |
| 00:23.21 | keldwud | ksl gets more traffic cuz it is authorized by the mormon church |
| 00:23.30 | keldwud | craigslist is bad because it isn't authorized by the church |
| 00:23.35 | keldwud | because it has sex ads |
| 00:23.35 | jima | ok, you went there first. cool. |
| 00:23.38 | keldwud | lol |
| 00:23.46 | keldwud | it has the bishop's stamp of approval |
| 00:24.00 | jima | yep, the shady underbelly of craigslist is, indeed, what i was implicating. |
| 00:24.00 | keldwud | jima, didn't think that's where you were going with it, but glad to know we are on the same page :) |
| 00:24.07 | jima | my answer was going to be "because mormons" |
| 00:24.15 | keldwud | because mormons have pornography addictions |
| 00:24.32 | keldwud | because they are taught that nudity is sexual |
| 00:24.49 | keldwud | so any time they look at nudity, they think about sex |
| 00:25.51 | keldwud | and since there aren't tools for how to process sexuality and nudity and because it has to be hidden, it usually turns into "addiction" |
| 00:27.09 | keldwud | I'm probably offending people... :( |
| 00:27.15 | keldwud | I'm sorry for generalizing |
| 00:27.37 | keldwud | but that's my answer. pornography addiction is why ksl is more popular than craigslist |
| 00:27.58 | shalkie | reads back for this connection |
| 00:28.03 | jima | similar vein to my theory, but not exactly an overlap |
| 00:28.14 | keldwud | "18<bregalad> how is it that ksl classifieds gets 10x the traffic of craigslist when the site itself" |
| 00:28.32 | keldwud | jima, so more parallel? what's yours? |
| 00:29.01 | keldwud | I can use the city weekly as an actual example |
| 00:29.07 | jima | oh, just the shady side. /cas/ and whatever |
| 00:29.10 | keldwud | of course, it's still anecdotal evidence |
| 00:29.26 | keldwud | but yeah, I've had people tell me they can't read city weekly or have it in the house |
| 00:29.28 | keldwud | because of the ads |
| 00:30.08 | keldwud | and not necessarily the companies for the ads but because the ads show scantily clad women |
| 00:32.56 | shalkie | quirks an eyebrow |
| 00:33.05 | shalkie | Um, they aren't that scantily clad. |
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| 00:47.24 | keldwud | shalkie, well... |
| 00:47.30 | keldwud | I don't think so either |
| 00:47.31 | keldwud | but |
| 01:23.29 | shalkie | Yeah, we aren't the ones that judge. |
| 01:23.30 | shalkie | shrugs |
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| 02:57.17 | romanovic | that was an unusual conversation. I don't think the success of KSL classifieds over craigslist has anything to do with the rest of KSL.com or what demographic tend to visit there |
| 02:59.07 | romanovic | It has much more to do with its clearly superior search functionality |
| 03:01.25 | romanovic | i was always frustrated with craigslist, bought my first couple of cars there. when I moved back to Utah and was looking to upgrade to a nicer used car, ksl became the place I always checked first, because searching, filtering, and sorting was more robust and convenient |
| 03:02.04 | romanovic | craigslist lacks certain rudimentary features, like multiselecting car makes or models in the same search |
| 03:06.07 | romanovic | also, craigslist has a long history of attacking people who create tools that make it easier to post and search on craigslist to get some improved features |
| 03:06.21 | romanovic | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110922/02372216046/craigslist-trying-to-destroy-life-someone-who-made-posting-to-craigslist-easier.shtml |
| 03:06.39 | romanovic | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/22474419443/unfortunate-craigslist-continues-to-be-walled-garden.shtml |
| 03:11.43 | shalkie | Anyone else having issues getting to the standard examiner? |
| 03:15.46 | romanovic | can load up the home page |
| 03:25.57 | shalkie | Huh, yeah it is coming up for me now too. |
| 03:26.02 | shalkie | Thanks romanovic |
| 03:31.02 | shalkie | So what happens if you offer free long term birth control? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html |
| 03:31.10 | shalkie | No note about STD rates. |
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| 16:22.26 | Tod-Work | Myelin Resources is the newest addition to my "frustrating recruiters" list. Wish they'd stop calling me every week. |
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| 17:31.39 | rsimpkins | ls |
| 17:32.02 | rsimpkins | :,( |
| 17:32.27 | rsimpkins | This graphics bug in Cent7 desktop is driving me crazy. |
| 17:33.16 | rsimpkins | I get text corruption in gnome terminal, so all the sudden I think I am typing in one window, but end up typing in another. |
| 17:33.55 | programmerq | wait, you're running cent7 in desktop mode? that's not as common a choice these days for a desktop distro. |
| 17:34.11 | rsimpkins | Yes I am, and no it isn't. |
| 17:34.52 | rsimpkins | The truth is, I couldn't get Fedora or Ubuntu (and a few of its flavors) working at all. |
| 17:35.23 | rsimpkins | At least Cent7 actually runs. I just have the dumb text corruption issue that makes typing somewhat sketchy. |
| 17:37.20 | goozbach | font issue or focus issue? |
| 17:39.15 | bregalad | I've noticed that rsimpkins could use some more focus lately |
| 17:39.17 | bregalad | :-) |
| 17:39.53 | rsimpkins | Text corruption. I can't see my cursor, so I can't see where I am focused. |
| 17:40.21 | rsimpkins | And, I often can't see what I am typing. It comes and goes. Often it flashes or blinks at random intervals. |
| 17:40.24 | programmerq | rsimpkins: what graphics driver are you using? |
| 17:40.43 | rsimpkins | NVIDIA's latest linux driver is the only thing I can get to function. |
| 17:40.49 | joshh | you have a desktop? |
| 17:41.01 | joshh | that's like having a cd burner |
| 17:41.12 | rsimpkins | lol |
| 17:41.21 | rsimpkins | I have a desktop WITH a cd burner. |
| 17:41.31 | joshh | 52x? |
| 17:41.38 | rsimpkins | I think so. |
| 17:42.00 | programmerq | "I bet they'll come out with a 104x any day now!" |
| 17:42.31 | rsimpkins | I tried to use it a few weeks ago, but no one had any CDs so I gave up on that plan. |
| 17:42.49 | programmerq | I have a couple desktop boxes. I have my windows7 gaming rig, and I have a smaller one that I put steamos on. |
| 17:42.55 | programmerq | the smaller one actually does have a cd burner. |
| 17:42.58 | joshh | gaming rigs make sense |
| 17:43.04 | programmerq | it's the only functioning optical drive I have in the house |
| 17:43.39 | programmerq | I've thought about buying an optical drive for the gaming rig. |
| 17:43.48 | programmerq | I have a few games (like fsx) that are on disks. |
| 17:44.22 | programmerq | I installed fsx from disks by using a usb adapter and a semi-funcitoning optical drive (it'll read disks, but the tray doesn't reliable open without a paperclip) |
| 17:44.38 | rsimpkins | I just got fsx on steam. |
| 17:44.44 | rsimpkins | I think it was $5. |
| 17:48.43 | programmerq | I later got the steam copy |
| 17:48.51 | programmerq | but addons don't necessarily work with both |
| 17:50.37 | programmerq | I did get flyinside fsx working last night. |
| 17:50.41 | programmerq | amazing. |
| 17:50.59 | programmerq | everything I've ever wanted out of a flightsim. |
| 17:51.15 | programmerq | except actually being able to read my guages |
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| 19:27.20 | goozbach | http://geektyrant.com/news/hilarious-sci-fi-comedy-short-one-minute-time-machine |
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| 20:44.31 | youtah | So |
| 20:44.34 | youtah | NYSE |
| 20:44.37 | youtah | we all know it's down |
| 20:44.38 | youtah | or was |
| 20:44.45 | youtah | (not sure of it's current state) |
| 20:44.54 | youtah | They are saying it was *not* a cyber attack |
| 20:44.56 | youtah | Thoughts? |
| 20:45.08 | programmerq | shit breaks for reasons other than hackers. why not NYSE? |
| 20:45.25 | programmerq | I don't think they have some super secret army of coders that can do true zero downtime |
| 20:46.08 | youtah | http://thehill.com/policy/finance/247225-anonymous-issued-cryptic-tweet-on-eve-of-nyse-suspension |
| 20:46.56 | youtah | I was of the thought that normal crap just happened |
| 20:47.05 | youtah | and someone forgot to rotate the logs. lol |
| 20:47.13 | bregalad | of course some rabid military-intelligence stiff is going to be combing the world looking for justifications of 'TERROR!' |
| 20:47.26 | youtah | lol bregalad |
| 20:47.53 | bregalad | the real question is how much legislation mileage they can get out of this |
| 20:48.25 | bregalad | 'how about PATRIOT III, Final Totalitarianism?' |
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| 21:25.37 | goozbach | ~lart jlp_znc |
| 21:25.37 | infobot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in jlp_znc's direction, hitting jlp_znc and sending jlp_znc flying into the closet |
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| 21:45.43 | Tod-Work | LDUG! |
| 21:45.47 | Tod-Work | It is a thing! |
| 21:46.03 | Tod-Work | A thing that all y'all should go to (assuming you're actually still in Utah) |
| 21:46.26 | goozbach | ldug |
| 21:46.27 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:46.31 | Tod-Work | http://www.meetup.com/Lehi-Developers-User-Group/events/223404009/ |
| 21:47.10 | bregalad | lol, Tod-Work people are going to ask every time you mention it |
| 21:47.16 | Tod-Work | yes |
| 21:47.19 | Tod-Work | until we all know |
| 21:47.25 | Tod-Work | and then we shall have enlightenment |
| 21:47.30 | levi | Yo. |
| 21:47.33 | goozbach | Tod-Work: try this: |
| 21:47.46 | goozbach | Ya'll should check out LDUG! http://www.meetup.com/Lehi-Developers-User-Group/events/223404009/ |
| 21:47.59 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:48.00 | Tod-Work | pfft, what is this, twitter? |
| 21:48.12 | Tod-Work | hi levi |
| 21:49.32 | eightyeight | i remember some years ago, there were a few of us toying with the idea of having an online programming group |
| 21:49.41 | eightyeight | didn't go anywhere |
| 21:50.04 | Q_Continuum | IRC isn't enough? |
| 21:51.53 | eightyeight | i think it was going to be a mailing list on google groups, or some such |
| 21:51.59 | programmerq | ah shoot, that's tonight. |
| 21:52.04 | bregalad | IRC programming: |
| 21:52.12 | bregalad | complete the function: |
| 21:52.14 | programmerq | I wanted to go, but I have a couple other things I need to get done tonight. :( |
| 21:52.17 | bregalad | int main(){ |
| 21:52.26 | eightyeight | } |
| 21:54.26 | fungus | return 0; } |
| 21:57.43 | bregalad | return main(); } |
| 21:58.21 | eightyeight | bregland = (char*) malloc (i+1); |
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| 22:09.10 | jalbretsen | Ugh, I'm like the SSL whisper today. Please change your connections to our API from SSLv3 to TLSv1.2. Please please please.... |
| 22:09.40 | eightyeight | why ask? just rip it out. |
| 22:10.11 | eightyeight | "you have until aug 1 to migrate away from SSLv3, at which point, your requests will go to /dev/null"= |
| 22:10.16 | eightyeight | "you've been warned" |
| 22:19.37 | jalbretsen | if only it was that easy |
| 22:20.56 | eightyeight | i don't see why it isn't |
| 22:20.57 | jalbretsen | hint: It's not. I tried briefly and it was not pretty |
| 22:21.17 | jalbretsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.19 | eightyeight | all the major api providers, with i'm guessing a much larger customer base, have already done it |
| 22:21.28 | jalbretsen | yep |
| 22:21.55 | bregalad | s/whatever jalbretsen said/the people with the money ruin life for everyone else/ |
| 22:22.05 | eightyeight | aft |
| 22:22.20 | jalbretsen | this is why are are not in sales ;) |
| 22:23.20 | jalbretsen | another big thing was I tried to at least tighten things somewhat, Cold Fusion didn't want to play nice with the new settings |
| 22:23.37 | jalbretsen | and it turns out a lot of people are using Cold Fusion |
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| 22:35.24 | goozbach | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOQnk-hRVuc h/t fozzmoo |
| 22:51.00 | programmerq | goozbach: that was pretty awesome. |
| 22:58.30 | eightyeight | heh |
| 22:58.35 | eightyeight | TIL people still use cold fusion |
| 22:58.47 | eightyeight | that's a tech i haven't heard of since the early naughts |
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| 23:01.49 | eightyeight | heh |
| 23:01.59 | eightyeight | 0.75% of websites still use adobe CF |
| 23:02.09 | eightyeight | not dead yet |
| 23:02.32 | eightyeight | http://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-coldfusion/all/all |
| 23:02.36 | Tod-Work | No, 0% of people still use cold fusion, just a few have legacy codebases they won't abandon (not can't, not can't afford to, just won't) |
| 23:02.49 | keldwud | omg cold fusion.... |
| 23:02.54 | keldwud | wow |
| 23:03.03 | Tod-Work | There are no cold fusion codebases that aren't completely and utterly replaced by newer applications |
| 23:03.14 | keldwud | it's like it is the year 2000 all over again |
| 23:03.25 | eightyeight | keldwud: right? |
| 23:03.33 | keldwud | boy do I feel old now |
| 23:04.07 | keldwud | I guess we could safely say as late as 2006 |
| 23:04.15 | keldwud | but still |
| 23:04.25 | eightyeight | jalbretsen: the funny thing about this is, if they threaten to leave, because 1) SSLv3 and 2) adobe CF, tell them not to let the door hit them in the ass on the way out |
| 23:04.38 | eightyeight | where are they going to go? |
| 23:04.47 | eightyeight | DIY sounds like the only option |
| 23:05.18 | keldwud | I wonder if city weekly is still running cold fusion |
| 23:05.24 | keldwud | I bet they are |
| 23:08.41 | eightyeight | Tod-Work: i bet there are some developers that you can rip CF out of their cold. dead. fingers. |
| 23:09.05 | Tod-Work | don't call them developers. It gives actual developers a bad name. |
| 23:09.09 | eightyeight | haha |
| 23:09.18 | jalbretsen | eightyeight - ya, they can threaten to leave, but by June 30 2016 they'll have no choice in the matter since they need to be PCI compliant |
| 23:09.21 | Tod-Work | "CF enthusiasts" |
| 23:09.23 | Tod-Work | like a hobby club |
| 23:09.32 | eightyeight | like cobol on cogs? |
| 23:09.44 | Tod-Work | Cobol has some legitimate use cases |
| 23:09.47 | eightyeight | http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM |
| 23:10.05 | Tod-Work | Cobol on Cogs less so, but still not actually breaking anything |
| 23:10.35 | jalbretsen | but I'd rather have a client say "so and so helped us make this change and they are great" than just rip the rug from underneath them |
| 23:11.02 | jalbretsen | hence I'm started a year before the deadline instead of 2 months |
| 23:11.05 | Tod-Work | CF was just a bad idea from the beginning. Cool concept at the time, poorly executed, and even in its biggest parts of history it wasn't that useful. Classic ASP has more reason to exist. |
| 23:12.48 | eightyeight | you don't see much classic .asp around either |
| 23:13.09 | Tod-Work | It's mostly still around in large intranet sites |
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