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| 00:25.48 | keldwud | shalkie, opinions |
| 00:26.12 | keldwud | I wanted to decide if I should run my own instance or if I should just use the paid service instead |
| 00:26.46 | keldwud | so I was curious about the installation and maintenance experience |
| 00:27.46 | keldwud | as well as the user experience for the home installation. so if somebody had one running, I wouldn't mind demoing it if that is a possibility. I guess I could just fire it up in a VM :) But I'm not sure what the requirements are. |
| 00:28.06 | keldwud | omg youtah that is so freaky! |
| 00:28.27 | keldwud | OMG IT'S ON HIS PUPILS!!!! |
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| 00:35.16 | shalkie | Danger young interns, DANGER! |
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| 00:36.09 | shalkie | keldwud: Huh, it looks like roundcube primarily which was easy enough to setup. I don't know about the extras. |
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| 00:41.14 | keldwud | youtah is a bird |
| 00:41.21 | keldwud | any faster he'll be a humming bird :) |
| 00:41.26 | keldwud | flap flap flap flap |
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| 17:45.24 | shalkie | Possibly the most interesting tidbit in a 24 port 1G switch I have ever read: |
| 17:45.45 | shalkie | """ The data is shared at a mighty speed of 48Gbps and it has an internal memory of 3.5MB to allow ease of processing. """ |
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| 18:27.53 | fozzmoo | ~lart youtah |
| 18:27.53 | infobot | keeps mailing youtah free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 18:28.19 | youtah | Cruel |
| 18:28.25 | fozzmoo | \o/ |
| 18:29.42 | youtah | Getting solar panels |
| 18:29.47 | youtah | after reviewing multiple companies |
| 18:29.55 | youtah | we found one we like |
| 18:30.07 | fozzmoo | Who? |
| 18:30.24 | youtah | Blue Raven |
| 18:30.29 | youtah | we found them via word of mouth |
| 18:30.30 | fozzmoo | I'm waiting until I can buy a Tesla Powerwall and then I'll start shopping for panels. |
| 18:31.34 | fozzmoo | The notion that you can sell power back to RMP is a ridiculous sham, so I'm waiting for a legitimate solution. |
| 18:37.28 | youtah | you don't sell it back to them actually |
| 18:37.36 | youtah | they explained it thoroughly. |
| 18:37.47 | youtah | The power goes back to RMP (which I have Lehi City power) |
| 18:37.56 | youtah | and they don't pay you for it. You get a credit. |
| 18:38.09 | youtah | Which is also why I am not doing 100% coverage |
| 18:38.29 | youtah | because anything over 100% is literally giving them free power |
| 18:38.31 | fozzmoo | The power does NOT go back to RMP. |
| 18:38.42 | fozzmoo | That's the sham. |
| 18:38.42 | youtah | it goes to your neighbors :) |
| 18:38.46 | fozzmoo | Nope. it doesn't. |
| 18:39.05 | youtah | View it like a bunch of pipes |
| 18:39.09 | youtah | it goes into the grid |
| 18:39.11 | fozzmoo | It doesn't work like you think. |
| 18:39.18 | fozzmoo | The grid isn't designed to accept dynamic input. |
| 18:39.41 | fozzmoo | It's an illusion perpetuated by the industry to allow for subsidy payments from the government. |
| 18:39.52 | youtah | That's definitely not how the engineer that was at my house described it. |
| 18:39.53 | fozzmoo | Same thing for wind farms. |
| 18:40.19 | youtah | I think you're wrong |
| 18:40.24 | fozzmoo | I've talked to an electrician who has worked on large wind farms. They adjust the power factor of the power going "to the grid" so that it burns up as heat on the lines. |
| 18:40.55 | fozzmoo | He also explained to me that locally, RMP rides the voltage higher - like 240 or 250V so that power from home-generated wind and solar power doesn't go anywhere. |
| 18:40.59 | youtah | They have to install a second, special power unit on the outside of your home, that connects between your main power box and the grid, as a middle man, to condition it to go back into the grid |
| 18:41.16 | goozbach | we're gonna put solar into the mortgage I think |
| 18:41.25 | goozbach | for our new house |
| 18:41.32 | youtah | Not a half bad idea goozbach |
| 18:41.39 | goozbach | leave a connection for a powerwall but get it now |
| 18:41.40 | fozzmoo | But, hey, as long as they install the equipment that purports to feed power back to the power company, people get subsidy payments from the government. |
| 18:41.52 | fozzmoo | \o/ |
| 18:42.07 | goozbach | it's gotta do *SOME* good |
| 18:42.14 | goozbach | putting power "into" the grid |
| 18:42.15 | fozzmoo | Why do you think RMP was trying to collect fees from people who were supposedly feeding power back onto the grid? |
| 18:42.29 | goozbach | at least reducing overall power needs? |
| 18:42.32 | fozzmoo | Because the house of cards is starting to look a little unstead. |
| 18:42.58 | fozzmoo | It's great for your home's energy independence. definitely with the powerwall - which is supposed to start shipping this Summer. |
| 18:43.16 | goozbach | this summer you say!? |
| 18:43.22 | fozzmoo | That's what Tesla says. |
| 18:43.23 | goozbach | hmmm /me makes an email to his builder! |
| 18:43.39 | goozbach | "makes an email" WTF did I just type |
| 18:44.01 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 18:44.11 | goozbach | that's in the vein of "go play with your playstation nintendo jimmy" |
| 18:44.40 | youtah | my fear is that they're going to be $70,000 for the battery pack |
| 18:44.49 | youtah | and that they're only going to have a life span of about 5 years |
| 18:45.24 | youtah | not the $7,000 that's floating around |
| 18:45.38 | fozzmoo | $3500 |
| 18:45.50 | youtah | that's just for the battery itself |
| 18:46.03 | youtah | and I assume they'll have multiple models |
| 18:46.19 | goozbach | the 10kwh is 3500 |
| 18:46.23 | goozbach | but that's weekly loads |
| 18:46.25 | fozzmoo | 10kWh $3500, 7kWh $3000 |
| 18:46.31 | fozzmoo | you will need an inverter |
| 18:46.34 | youtah | right |
| 18:46.35 | goozbach | the 7kwh is 3000 for daily work |
| 18:46.36 | youtah | plus install |
| 18:46.41 | goozbach | then inverter, install |
| 18:46.41 | fozzmoo | and some crossbar-type stuff. |
| 18:46.48 | goozbach | transfer switch |
| 18:47.18 | youtah | If it turns out to *really* be that cheap... and it does work well, (longer than 5 years) then it should be easy to plug into my existing solar panels |
| 18:47.23 | fozzmoo | "Powerwall begins shipping this summer and requires installation by a trained electrician." |
| 18:47.33 | fozzmoo | They'll come with a 10 year warranty. |
| 18:47.55 | youtah | Ah cool. I haven't see any warranty details |
| 18:48.06 | youtah | Is that a limited or an all inclusive warranty? |
| 18:48.20 | fozzmoo | It doesn't say. Just says Warranty: 10 years |
| 18:48.26 | youtah | I can see them giving a 10 year warranty on everything except a 5 year on just the batteries |
| 18:48.45 | asoc | a lot of electric cars are going 8 year warrenties on the batteries |
| 18:48.51 | youtah | The life span on the solar panels is supposed to be 25~30 years |
| 18:48.59 | youtah | with a 15 year warranty |
| 18:49.16 | asoc | if it drops less than 3/4 of max rated capacity you get a new battery |
| 18:49.19 | youtah | so it looks like you'd go through two power walls for each solar panel install |
| 18:50.17 | fozzmoo | Anyway, maybe next year we'll do the solar panel thing. |
| 18:50.19 | youtah | Which would be at least $14k additionally on top of the solar panels |
| 18:50.52 | fozzmoo | Unless you're related to a qualified electrician. :) |
| 18:50.54 | youtah | I figure, run the fridge off of the solar panels during the day, and don't let anyone open the fridge at night... or use a generator for the night |
| 18:51.11 | youtah | Oh, you know... good point |
| 18:51.16 | youtah | for possibly $7k for the first time |
| 18:51.25 | youtah | and then if you are just replacing the batteries, then only $3000 the next time |
| 18:51.36 | youtah | errrr $3500 |
| 18:52.09 | youtah | but I don't know... $7000 just seems waaaaaay too cheap |
| 18:54.36 | fozzmoo | $3500 for a Powerwall itself seems like a steal. |
| 18:54.45 | fozzmoo | It's mighty disruptive. |
| 18:55.09 | fozzmoo | Especially coming from Tesla. I was expecting a $50,000 wall-mount battery that comes with its own built-in entertainment system. |
| 18:55.32 | Jayce^ | mmm powerwall |
| 18:56.11 | youtah | I just hope that they don't start delaying, etc.... and make this turn into one of those products that is never released |
| 18:58.09 | fozzmoo | They should let Saygus make the Powerwalls. Then it'll get out right away. |
| 18:58.42 | youtah | I'd be willing to be a beta tester :) |
| 18:58.56 | fozzmoo | waves hands wildly |
| 19:01.31 | goozbach | speaking of delays⦠my ergodox infinity just got delayed! |
| 19:01.34 | goozbach | *le sigh* |
| 19:01.51 | goozbach | ohh sagus... I wants one |
| 19:14.19 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I'm worried about their QA. |
| 19:14.45 | fozzmoo | It's near impossible to attain good quality with stuff like phones unless you're manufacturing huge volumes. |
| 19:17.00 | youtah | hey jlp_znc |
| 19:17.09 | youtah | you coming to Field Day up at Payson Lakes? |
| 19:18.11 | fozzmoo | That being said, I'd love to be a beta tester for the V2 |
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| 19:30.46 | jlp_znc | I was not planning on going to field day, no. |
| 19:31.05 | keldwud | what is field day at payson lakes? is it a public thing? |
| 19:31.28 | keldwud | I camped there 2 weekends ago |
| 19:31.43 | jlp_znc | it's an amateur radio thing |
| 19:32.17 | jlp_znc | basically, people go set up a bunch of HF radios and try to make as many contacts as possible in a 24 hour period. |
| 19:34.21 | keldwud | oh cool |
| 19:34.36 | keldwud | I should tell my co-worker about it. he just barely goot his license |
| 19:36.00 | fozzmoo | You need a general to do HF, right? |
| 19:36.35 | keldwud | where can I find out more about the event? |
| 19:36.35 | jlp_znc | you do, but you can use the club license (essentially acting as 3rd party under supervision of a general or extra licensee at field day) |
| 19:36.40 | fozzmoo | Nice. |
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| 19:41.48 | fozzmoo | ~lart youtah |
| 19:41.48 | infobot | cuts off youtah's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 19:44.07 | youtah | I'm back |
| 19:44.15 | youtah | yeah, check this out keldwud |
| 19:44.19 | keldwud | I ffound it |
| 19:44.26 | keldwud | on their xmission announcement site for UARC |
| 19:44.30 | youtah | http://user.xmission.com/~uarc/images/fd11/site2.jpg |
| 19:44.33 | youtah | exactrly |
| 19:44.35 | keldwud | :) |
| 19:44.40 | keldwud | I forgot to google before asking |
| 19:44.43 | keldwud | SORRY GUYS! :) |
| 19:44.50 | youtah | It's a nation wide thing |
| 19:45.30 | keldwud | cool. I sent the link to my co-worker. He has been super excited since I told him about the monthly classes/tests and he went and got his and a bunch of equipment to boot |
| 19:45.33 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jvE3Dyl9iM |
| 19:45.40 | keldwud | so he'll be way excited about the event |
| 19:45.55 | keldwud | although he's such a shut-in I'm not sure if he'd make it to the mountains... :( |
| 19:46.15 | keldwud | if I were closer to him (friendship wise) I'd try and make him go by taking him out there |
| 19:49.07 | youtah | Here's my setup at home now keldwud https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/549413_10207267040618524_8173985196984348299_n.jpg?oh=5c095aa079eef4496dc93482a6789577&oe=55EE12B7 |
| 19:52.33 | youtah | cc: jlp_znc ^^^ |
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| 21:46.44 | asoc | So I was wondering since what does one normally do with a HAM radio? Is it just like here where you chat with people or..? |
| 21:47.17 | asoc | I get the if cell reception dies you guys will be the best communication we have. |
| 21:47.32 | asoc | But what would be the "day to day" use of one? |
| 21:52.15 | keldwud | asoc, it's for zombie apocalypse |
| 21:52.21 | keldwud | and you can also send packets over HAM |
| 21:52.39 | keldwud | and it's also a gathering place for people. kind of like BBSes |
| 21:53.24 | keldwud | still cheaper to HAM with someone across the world than it is to use phones |
| 21:53.37 | keldwud | I get there is voip, but I think this solution exists along side it |
| 21:54.24 | keldwud | but iirc it's used for information exchange and bullshitting just like any other network |
| 21:54.41 | Tod-Work | keldwud, WAY cheaper to use VoIP though |
| 21:54.47 | Tod-Work | like, insanely |
| 21:54.57 | asoc | to talk to someone across the world would you basically make hops and hops to get there? as I imagine one radio would have a hard time getting a big enough radio to get far |
| 21:55.14 | Tod-Work | the interesting use of HAM for such a scenario, to me, is that it gives us a makeshift internet as well |
| 21:55.24 | keldwud | yeah, I'm glad for HAM because of that |
| 21:55.26 | Tod-Work | albeit at very slow speeds, but still |
| 21:55.34 | keldwud | if the internet gets too pwned we woulds till have an alternative |
| 21:55.40 | Tod-Work | asoc, certain bands can get really, REALLY far |
| 21:55.41 | keldwud | to still communicate freely |
| 21:55.57 | keldwud | yeah you can get around the curvature of the earth with ham |
| 21:55.59 | asoc | What kind of speeds can you get from it? |
| 21:56.25 | keldwud | if we ended up having to use it for internet replacement, it wouldn't be for entertainment |
| 21:56.49 | keldwud | it would be for passing along information and communicating when all other methods have been locked down |
| 21:57.09 | asoc | I guess who has time to watch netflix during a zombie apoclypse anyways? :-p |
| 21:57.16 | keldwud | exactly :) |
| 21:57.17 | Jayce^ | I use it backcountry a lot |
| 21:57.26 | Jayce^ | search & rescue uses it all the time as well |
| 21:57.34 | Jayce^ | way better than the police/fire radios |
| 21:57.50 | Jayce^ | volunteer for events as well (parades, etc) |
| 21:58.27 | asoc | About how much would it cost to get started into the hobby? |
| 21:58.51 | keldwud | dang, where'd that link go for UARC |
| 21:59.18 | keldwud | http://user.xmission.com/~uarc/ |
| 21:59.43 | keldwud | not sure if that will bring up an index.html or not |
| 21:59.52 | asoc | yea it does |
| 22:00.02 | keldwud | ok cool |
| 22:00.32 | keldwud | also, (not actually in amateur radio but) can't you also have encrypted communication via HAM? |
| 22:00.57 | keldwud | so it's one of the last bastions of secure communications that hasn't been back-doored |
| 22:03.24 | Jayce^ | a baofeng is about $35 on amazon.. |
| 22:03.30 | Jayce^ | cheapest way to start, works well |
| 22:03.44 | Jayce^ | but be warned, addiction leads to purchases.. as youtah is proof |
| 22:04.04 | Jayce^ | no, no encryption allowed on amateur channels |
| 22:05.28 | asoc | Jayce^: Yea addiction leading to purchases is something that I have learned a few times over. |
| 22:06.28 | keldwud | my co-worker started with the baofeng just a couple weeks ago. since the he has already dropped a few hundred more into the hobby |
| 22:06.38 | keldwud | s/the/then |
| 22:07.47 | asoc | Where do the need for the licences come in? Is it just which frequencies you can use? |
| 22:10.44 | keldwud | FCC |
| 22:10.52 | keldwud | they regulate the airwaves |
| 22:11.17 | keldwud | well, there's more to it than that, Im' sure |
| 22:13.12 | asoc | Yea the FCC took away the 'C' band for wireless microphones used in theatre. |
| 22:13.26 | asoc | I think about 2009 ish or something |
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| 22:19.16 | goozbach | dammit! nerd sniped by ham encryption |
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| 22:39.44 | asoc | Thanks everyone for the info. Who knows if I will end up getting into that hobby or not. It sounds like one that could be pretty fun/useful. |
| 22:42.32 | asoc | The hobby time/money budget just never feels big enough! :) |
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| 23:11.47 | keldwud | goozbach, and I've never even used ham :-p |
| 23:12.40 | shalkie | Well, I guess it depends on what you use ham for really... I like it in my salad, on a sandwhich. |
| 23:13.04 | shalkie | adds random things |
| 23:13.38 | keldwud | #dadjokes |
| 23:13.56 | keldwud | and ham in a salad? then it is no longer a salad |
| 23:13.57 | keldwud | srsly |
| 23:14.08 | keldwud | salads aren't delivery vehicles for meat and cheese |
| 23:14.09 | keldwud | :( |
| 23:14.24 | keldwud | and high calorie dressings. |
| 23:14.25 | shalkie | No, they are merely a garnish for meat and cheese. :) |
| 23:14.34 | shalkie | Meh to the dressing. |
| 23:14.35 | keldwud | oh snap |
| 23:14.42 | keldwud | I like my salads green |
| 23:14.52 | keldwud | and I like to eat lettuces and leaves |
| 23:15.14 | keldwud | I can't stand meat and cheese salads, it defeats the whole purpose of eating a salad imo |
| 23:15.50 | keldwud | I like cheese, of course, just not as one of the main ingredients. like bleu cheese or parmesan or asiago or feta or goat cheese, etc |
| 23:16.10 | shalkie | I kinda want a tomato and mozzarella salad now. |
| 23:33.08 | shalkie | I wonder if I could add salami or pepperoni to it. |
| 23:33.13 | shalkie | is getting hungry |
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