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| 15:49.52 | Tod-Work | shalkie, I'm selling a home that was never a drug-house. It had a salon in the basement 15 years ago, but never drugs. You should buy it! |
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| 15:55.30 | programmerq | wonders what else is wrong with it if the pitch is "not a drug house" |
| 15:57.38 | Tod-Work | programmerq, we'd like to know as well, actually. Feedback is usually middling to positive, with a good 25% of people very concerned about the very large tree in the back yard |
| 15:57.46 | Tod-Work | yet no offers yet |
| 15:58.29 | Tod-Work | (you might have also missed shalkie's bit about how he was concerned he bought a drug-house) |
| 15:58.32 | programmerq | when I sold my first house, we were probably the cleanest house in the price category in the area |
| 15:58.51 | Tod-Work | <shalkie> keldwud: Oh, don't add to my "I bought a drug house" paranoia. |
| 15:58.55 | programmerq | we had a bunch of offers pretty quick (2 years ago, provo nearish railroad) |
| 15:59.13 | programmerq | Tod-Work: I figured that was probably the case, but wanted to poke fun at your sales pitch anyway. :) |
| 15:59.18 | Tod-Work | nice |
| 15:59.35 | programmerq | I just got back in town. being staff at a big conference is much different. |
| 16:00.20 | Tod-Work | So about two blocks away there's a split-level fixer-upper that got listed for 10k less than ours, it sold in a week and a half, and it is TOTALLY a crack house. |
| 16:01.02 | Tod-Work | The people there have their junk strewn about the lawn and the garage was filled with garbage. I don't know why anyone bought it ever, let alone that quickly |
| 16:01.23 | Tod-Work | My wife is presuming god/fate is involved and it's just not time. |
| 16:01.35 | Tod-Work | this week will changet that! |
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| 16:04.50 | levi | We had a drug house on our street. Fortunetly, some young couple bought it and rehabbed it, and now it's a nice place again. |
| 16:06.36 | programmerq | cool (about the rebbing of the now-former-drug-house) |
| 16:10.21 | Tod-Work | I'm not cool enough for programmerq =cP |
| 16:10.51 | programmerq | I didn't think that 'cool' being ambiguously about your house selling troubles would be the best |
| 16:10.55 | programmerq | but if you're okay with it |
| 16:10.57 | programmerq | cool! |
| 16:10.59 | Tod-Work | hahaha |
| 16:11.15 | Tod-Work | It's at this time I should note that you're only the second best Jeff Anderson in my life |
| 16:11.21 | Tod-Work | SO THERE |
| 16:11.24 | programmerq | lol |
| 16:11.38 | programmerq | yeah, there's another one that's been more active on the PLUG list the last few years. |
| 16:12.15 | programmerq | http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/64617726/highlight/636829 8:56 - microsoft native windows docker containers |
| 16:12.47 | Tod-Work | programmerq, wait, you're not that same one? |
| 16:12.52 | Tod-Work | ARE THERE THREE OF YOU!?!?!?! |
| 16:13.02 | Tod-Work | My favorite is janderson, who was a coworker of mine |
| 16:13.12 | Tod-Work | I don't think he does the mailing lists |
| 16:17.03 | programmerq | Tod-Work: I'm the jeff anderson that uses the programmerq.net email address |
| 16:17.12 | Tod-Work | I like the docker stuff MS is doing |
| 16:17.35 | programmerq | yeah, I talked with one of the microsoft guys for probably an hour and a half over the course of the conference. |
| 16:17.43 | programmerq | I'm super impressed. |
| 16:17.52 | Tod-Work | oh, yeah, java emitter is totally janderson |
| 16:18.00 | Tod-Work | yay for searches on email! |
| 16:18.10 | programmerq | they seem just as surprised as everyone else that microsoft is contributing to open source all of a sudden |
| 16:18.16 | programmerq | and they seem just as happy about it too. |
| 16:18.22 | Tod-Work | yeah |
| 16:18.29 | Tod-Work | and Azure is pretty awesome |
| 16:19.43 | programmerq | yeah, it seems that azure was kind of the catalyst to sell open source contributions inside the company. |
| 16:19.51 | programmerq | that's what got them working on the kernel |
| 16:20.27 | programmerq | I dropped this in another channel too, but I'm excited about notary: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/64499822/highlight/636932 - https://github.com/docker/notary |
| 16:20.51 | programmerq | it's a signing framework that is written to be fairly generic, and then you just have to add in integration points. |
| 16:21.02 | programmerq | in the demo, they signed an http curlpipe script |
| 16:21.09 | programmerq | changed it to rm -rf |
| 16:21.11 | Tod-Work | with docker containers it might be awesome to do a comparison between AWS and Azure performance of said containers |
| 16:21.20 | programmerq | and then ran it again, with notary saving the laptop running the demo. |
| 16:21.46 | programmerq | Tod-Work: docker containers have so little overhead that you might as well just compare "native" performance of aws and azure. |
| 16:22.19 | Tod-Work | programmerq, currently I'm doing VoIP with Freeswitch on AWS. "little overhead" sort of expands in that space quite a bit |
| 16:22.39 | Tod-Work | for your typical web server I'd agree whole heartedly, though |
| 16:23.00 | Tod-Work | for AWS I have to fiddle with kernel timers and all that nonsense =c( |
| 16:23.03 | programmerq | well, there are a few places where that little overhead comes in play |
| 16:23.08 | Tod-Work | mhmm |
| 16:23.15 | programmerq | 1) the milliseconds it takes to set up the container might count |
| 16:23.27 | programmerq | 2) the layered filesystem (this is the biggest one) |
| 16:23.50 | programmerq | 3) cgroups / namespaces - these are a good idea without docker, and I don't think they introduce anything significant? |
| 16:23.55 | programmerq | (I'm not a kernel expert) |
| 16:24.03 | Tod-Work | I don't know on #3 |
| 16:24.10 | programmerq | so if 2) is giving you problems, swap out the storage driver |
| 16:24.12 | Tod-Work | hasn't really come up yet =cP |
| 16:24.23 | programmerq | or put the stuff you care about into a volume so it's ext4 instead of aufs |
| 16:24.53 | programmerq | but I don't imagine freeswitch does a lot of disk churn, so I doubt that'd be a problem. |
| 16:25.15 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 16:25.27 | Tod-Work | just voicemail, really |
| 16:25.36 | Tod-Work | or any other recording stuff |
| 16:25.44 | programmerq | those should go in a volume anyway, not on the write layer of the container. |
| 16:25.44 | Tod-Work | most of the other stuff is loaded into memory once and just sits |
| 16:25.49 | Tod-Work | yeah |
| 16:26.47 | programmerq | so yeah, it might still be good to do some comparisons, but I suspect you would not find a measurable difference between an "aws vs azure containers" and an "aws vs azure not in containers" test |
| 16:39.58 | shalkie | UID |
| 16:40.00 | shalkie | GID |
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| 18:14.19 | goozbach | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 18:14.19 | infobot | nabs the moon and broadsides Jayce^ with the sea of tranquility |
| 18:14.29 | goozbach | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 18:14.29 | infobot | makes a balloon animal out of fozzmoo |
| 18:14.41 | goozbach | ~lart neybar_work |
| 18:14.41 | infobot | squishes neybar_work like a bug |
| 18:14.44 | fozzmoo | \o/ |
| 18:15.04 | fozzmoo | Nice pre-emptive /quit there youtah |
| 18:15.07 | Jayce^ | ~whaleslap goozbach |
| 18:15.07 | infobot | ACTION beats goozbach upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:15.40 | goozbach | where is everybody this week!? |
| 18:15.55 | goozbach | I've had to eat lunch by myself for two weeks now!!!! |
| 18:15.57 | goozbach | :) |
| 18:16.11 | fozzmoo | Jayce and I are in Provo... PostgreSQLizing. |
| 18:16.56 | shalkie | Blah, wrong window. |
| 18:17.21 | Jayce^ | goozbach is all by himself... |
| 18:17.30 | Jayce^ | no one is loooooooking... |
| 18:17.36 | fozzmoo | raises "EARWORM ALERT" flag |
| 18:17.38 | Jayce^ | he's thinking of jsmith |
| 18:19.15 | goozbach | toot toot |
| 18:20.19 | bregalad | shalkie: someday it will be the right window |
| 18:20.29 | jlp_znc | goozbach: are you ever coming back to provo? or have you set up permanent residence in orem? |
| 18:20.45 | goozbach | jlp_znc: I can come back when my pennance is done |
| 18:20.57 | goozbach | but we don't talk about that here |
| 18:21.02 | jlp_znc | about then they will be moving the rest of us up there. |
| 18:21.11 | jlp_znc | theoretically, at least. |
| 18:21.17 | goozbach | jlp_znc: yeah, I'm holding off till J |
| 18:21.33 | jlp_znc | they keep talking about it. we even had to fill in a spreadsheet with how many ethernet ports we needed in orem |
| 18:21.44 | jlp_znc | jnbek asked for 12 :-) |
| 18:21.49 | fozzmoo | Answer: ALL THE PORTS |
| 18:22.02 | jnbek | :D |
| 18:22.43 | jnbek | well someone had to be the smartass... may as well have been me ;-) |
| 18:22.49 | jlp_znc | personally, I think that was just a ploy to be allowed to stay in provo |
| 18:23.02 | joshh | ask for 49 |
| 18:23.04 | jlp_znc | "we can't give him that many" "well, just let him stay there, then" |
| 18:23.24 | jnbek | I'd be perfectly fine with that |
| 18:23.39 | goozbach | I need a 48port POE switch which is quiet enough to sit on my desk |
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| 18:24.20 | jlp_znc | remember those boxes people used to put printers in? |
| 18:24.59 | goozbach | ??? |
| 18:25.51 | fozzmoo | Big noise baffles. |
| 18:26.06 | jlp_znc | yeah, for dot matrix and daisy wheel printers |
| 18:26.25 | jnbek | haha, yea, them dot matrix printers could drown out a jackhammer, lol |
| 18:26.30 | jlp_znc | goozbach hears "yeah, for frobnitz and fllbam pritners" and it makes enough sense. |
| 18:26.38 | goozbach | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccoj5lhLmSQ |
| 18:27.16 | programmerq | goozbach: is there a #utah lunch group I don't know about? |
| 18:27.34 | goozbach | programmerq: kinda, it's a bluehost lunch group |
| 18:27.38 | programmerq | ah |
| 18:27.43 | goozbach | but we're pretty inclusive |
| 18:27.45 | Q_Continuum | The Soylent based one. We eat wherever whenever. |
| 18:27.51 | jlp_znc | whomever |
| 18:27.53 | Q_Continuum | By we AFAIK I mean me |
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| 18:57.54 | goozbach | I guess I should go get lunch |
| 18:58.20 | jlp_znc | wait another couple of hours and get linner (or lupper) |
| 18:59.01 | jlp_znc | "breakfast, lunch, dinner" vs. "breakfast, dinner, supper" ... ready... fight! |
| 19:03.09 | shalkie | brinner! |
| 19:05.02 | RyanE | Not lunchtime, shave ice time. |
| 19:20.42 | youtah | Hey guys... we have an IT internship coming up. If you guys know anyone looking for part time IT related work that's going to school, let me know. |
| 19:23.09 | jlp_znc | I know a guy that might be interested. I'll send him your contact info. |
| 19:23.24 | jlp_znc | youtah@youtah.horse, right? |
| 19:23.49 | youtah | lol, yes |
| 19:26.59 | jlp_znc | awwww, VMUG wants to hear from me. too bad for VMUG. |
| 19:30.51 | goozbach | baileys sandwitch? |
| 19:30.56 | goozbach | what do I want to eat!? |
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| 19:41.03 | shalkie | You want to eat filet mignon.... Prime Rib.... Potatoes... Pork Belly... Creamed Spinach... And a pickle. |
| 19:41.29 | shalkie | Kosher pickle of course. |
| 19:41.59 | shalkie | goozbach: ^^ |
| 19:42.30 | goozbach | if I had time I'd treat myself to some churrasco |
| 19:42.49 | shalkie | If only there was time. |
| 19:42.51 | shalkie | :( |
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| 19:59.16 | Tod-Work | jlp_znc, what about second breakfast, and elevensies? |
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| 20:25.30 | keldwud | Tod-Work, wait.... what does God have to do with buying and selling houses? Is that even under his jurisdiction? What kinds of things are we, as humans, responsible for? Or is he/she responsible for everything? |
| 20:25.32 | keldwud | ;) |
| 20:26.53 | Tod-Work | keldwud, I don't operate under the same assumptions as others, and don't expect them to. I will, however, point out that she's right that the timing would be better in about a month if everything were perfect. |
| 20:27.05 | keldwud | goozbach, just had lunch at rodizio in A.F. didn't check IRC before going. Are you in town? |
| 20:27.25 | goozbach | still haven't gone to lunch |
| 20:27.40 | goozbach | I should break down and change my timezone to mountain on my irc session |
| 20:27.52 | keldwud | youtah, can the IT internship be done part time and remotely? |
| 20:27.54 | goozbach | looked at the timestamp and it said 1627 and thought I should leave |
| 20:28.40 | keldwud | goozbach, I'll go out to lunch with you sometime if you want. I'm in Provo, though. I'm assuming you're back in Utah? |
| 20:28.49 | goozbach | yeah |
| 20:28.52 | goozbach | work in orem |
| 20:28.55 | keldwud | welcome back! |
| 20:29.00 | goozbach | most often, sometimes in Provo |
| 20:29.11 | goozbach | been back for about a year now |
| 20:29.15 | keldwud | oh dang |
| 20:29.21 | fozzmoo | ~lart youtah |
| 20:29.21 | infobot | takes youtah to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 20:29.24 | keldwud | so right after I went out to Georgia |
| 20:29.33 | goozbach | http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine/ |
| 20:29.43 | goozbach | shutupandtakemymoney.jpg |
| 20:30.35 | fozzmoo | knows goozbach is typing that on a Mac. |
| 20:30.53 | goozbach | yes, because thinkpad had fallen away from it's design |
| 20:30.57 | goozbach | if they went back... |
| 20:31.18 | youtah | keldwud unfortunately not |
| 20:32.55 | keldwud | goozbach, I don't see anything about the specs |
| 20:33.10 | keldwud | youtah, oh man. Cuz I would totally work intern :) |
| 20:33.12 | goozbach | keldwud: it's a design rendering |
| 20:33.15 | goozbach | nothing speced |
| 20:33.27 | keldwud | it would be a great deal, you'd get a mid-level admin for intern wages! |
| 20:33.27 | goozbach | just a "hey would you guys buy this?" |
| 20:33.43 | keldwud | goozbach, oooooh I C |
| 20:34.00 | fozzmoo | The T450s is pretty dang nice. |
| 20:34.02 | eightyeight | still has his T61 |
| 20:34.07 | fozzmoo | I've been telling a lot of people to check it out. |
| 20:34.20 | fozzmoo | I've got the T440s and assign from the trackpad, I've been super happy. |
| 20:34.21 | keldwud | I have the 44s |
| 20:34.26 | keldwud | *440s |
| 20:34.28 | fozzmoo | s/assign/asside/ |
| 20:34.35 | fozzmoo | keldwud: We should hang out! |
| 20:34.43 | keldwud | fozzmoo, TWINZ! :) |
| 20:34.53 | eightyeight | apropos: https://xkcd.com/165/ |
| 20:35.07 | fozzmoo | jsmith: has the X1 Carbon and says the 3rd Gen X1 is very nice also. |
| 20:35.12 | keldwud | I have it permanently in a docking station |
| 20:35.23 | keldwud | eightyeight++ |
| 20:35.24 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: :) |
| 20:35.51 | eightyeight | :) |
| 20:35.54 | keldwud | I haven't read that xkcd before, thank you :) |
| 20:44.01 | fozzmoo | I like the backlit keyboard more than the overhead LED lights. |
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| 20:56.59 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkAP-CQlhA <- mentioned on internal chat... I'm watching and as the tech unhooks the bottom of the antenna cover I think to myself "well, there's your problem." |
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| 21:11.46 | shalkie | I still have my W500 that I bouth in 2009. |
| 21:11.52 | shalkie | s/bouth/bought/ |
| 21:11.57 | shalkie | In fact I am using it right now. :) |
| 21:12.21 | shalkie | I would love to get an X1 Carbon. |
| 21:17.06 | shalkie | The X220 series seemed nice too. |
| 21:18.51 | Q_Continuum | I wish I could swap my work T440s for a T550s with buttons for the trackpoint |
| 21:18.54 | goozbach | still haven't left to eat yet... |
| 21:18.55 | Q_Continuum | My only complaint |
| 21:19.02 | Q_Continuum | goozbach: SOYLENT! |
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| 21:46.15 | programmerq | crate.io looks neat. |
| 21:46.43 | programmerq | multi-node peer replication. can do the json document storage, but it also has a relational + sql interface |
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| 22:14.46 | keldwud | have any of you played around with your own instance of kolab on your own hardware and internet connection? |
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| 23:58.39 | shalkie | keldwud: Where youjust wanting opinions on Kolabor were you wanting a working demo account? |
| 23:58.49 | shalkie | s/bor/b or/ |