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| 01:36.18 | d3c4f | http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/provo-city-puts-old-county-jail-on-surplus-list-gets/article_1dc93f7a-3a11-51a6-8c5a-2f250cd2b283.html |
| 01:45.22 | TodPunk | The plot thickens! |
| 01:49.33 | shalkie | And the lawyers cheer. ;) |
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| 11:27.59 | keldwud | whiling the morning away watching Katy Perry music videos until bedtime :) |
| 11:29.30 | keldwud | bravo on Fenley, btw |
| 11:29.48 | keldwud | I feel so bad that I slept through when I was supposed to support him at the meeting! :( |
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| 15:45.39 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/jeffcarlson/status/611920374809260032 |
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| 15:53.04 | shalkie | wow spangborn, that is just so irreverent and good. |
| 15:53.06 | shalkie | :) |
| 15:53.34 | spangborn | Well, I mean it's kinda fitting for Comcast, haha |
| 16:01.42 | RyanE | truly, they'll *tell* you the funeral is between 10AM and 4PM, but the casket won't actually show up until about 6:43PM. |
| 16:02.04 | RyanE | and the funeral director will ask to use your bathroom. |
| 16:04.50 | spangborn | And not flush. |
| 16:04.56 | spangborn | And/or clog the toilet. |
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| 19:16.26 | romanovic | those of you who use git-flow or similar branching approach http://endoflineblog.com/gitflow-considered-harmful |
| 19:17.05 | romanovic | opinions? I can't say I agree with the author. |
| 19:19.25 | bregalad | we don't have a master branch at salt |
| 19:19.43 | bregalad | git is designed such that branching is easy |
| 19:20.00 | romanovic | he suggests completely flattening the history (no more --no-ff when merging features) for presentation purposes |
| 19:20.14 | bregalad | yeah, I think that is silly |
| 19:20.46 | bregalad | or rather, I don't think it matters |
| 19:22.01 | bregalad | at my last job, which was a joke, closed source, 12 devs max, we had 100x the git issues than we do at saltstack, with hundreds of comtributors and thousands of commits coming in every month |
| 19:22.29 | bregalad | all of it was due to programmer error |
| 19:22.33 | romanovic | it sounds like he needs an improved git log viewer that can make things pretty for him, rather than telling developers everywhere they need to quit committing so many details to the repo |
| 19:23.18 | bregalad | although I'm all for not generating needless merge commits, if he's saying that |
| 19:23.20 | bregalad | I can't tell |
| 19:23.35 | bregalad | romanovic: totally :) |
| 19:24.26 | bregalad | like, commiting a branch that has lots of 'bobby merged develop into his private branch' seven times is kind of embarrassing |
| 19:25.15 | romanovic | yeah, i definitely think those are things we need to improve |
| 19:25.23 | romanovic | i'm jealous. I work in an organisation with a few dozen devs, and we have endless repository problems (TFS) |
| 19:25.53 | bregalad | I like this advice: http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2013/02/merge-vs-rebase/ |
| 19:26.47 | romanovic | it's not the worst situation I've been in, but I think there are a few thousand man hours spent each month that would go away if we used git |
| 19:29.24 | bregalad | one thing that irritates me that that guy talks about is: "donât make bugs or typos a part of your projectâs history if you havenât shared them yet." |
| 19:29.35 | bregalad | git rebase -i plz :-) |
| 19:29.50 | jalbretsen | *facepalm* |
| 19:30.13 | bregalad | I might write some of that into our contrib docs |
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| 19:31.02 | jalbretsen | No recruiter, sending me a job description for a level 1 / level 2 call center tech support spot and calling it a "Senior Linux Administrator" position is not going to fool me. |
| 19:36.51 | keldwud | jalbretsen, that happens way too often |
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| 19:38.39 | keldwud | I was just offered 55k recently for a role that included designing an inventory system, rolling out puppet for provisioning purposes, use my background in programing to code some things, design a cooling and electrical solution, etc |
| 19:39.08 | keldwud | inventory system / asset management (which was almost non-existent) |
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| 20:16.35 | keldwud | this is what I don't get here |
| 20:16.37 | keldwud | "Corey Norman, deputy mayor. "His proposal did not meet the request of the city. It will take him millions of dollars to fix that building."" |
| 20:16.59 | keldwud | well no shit. it will also take D.R. Horton millions of dollars to build his town homes |
| 20:17.18 | keldwud | so I don't see how that is a valid argument against letting Fenley use the space |
| 20:17.45 | keldwud | how much did D.R. Horton bid? |
| 20:17.49 | keldwud | http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/provo-city-puts-old-county-jail-on-surplus-list-gets/article_1dc93f7a-3a11-51a6-8c5a-2f250cd2b283.html |
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| 21:10.16 | Tod-Work | romanovic, git-flow is limiting and a bit silly, but the author is wrong in that it is not SVN and does not benefit anyone to have a flat linear history. That said, rewriting history is also stupid on the main. Once you've submitted your feature branch to the main branch, don't rewrite that history anymore. |
| 21:10.18 | Tod-Work | There's my take |
| 21:11.32 | Tod-Work | keldwud, that's essentially Utah's main problem, and thankfully it's getting much better with the new tech blood coming up in the area. For some reason we are real cheapskates half the time. |
| 21:11.48 | YUKAIA-WORK | keldwud: wait, you're comparing the renovation costs of a derelict/condemned building that would in turn generate no new value for both the city and the residents to a plan for tearing down said condemned and building new residencies which will generate tax revenue for the city and bring new people into the city? |
| 21:12.27 | YUKAIA-WORK | it's oranges to apples, having D. R. Horton tear the building down wins in every case. |
| 21:12.59 | Tod-Work | YUKAIA-WORK, no, he's comparing the costs of the two, which are adequately similar. You could criticize his lack of larger perspective in this, but the comparison he made is still apt. |
| 21:13.41 | Tod-Work | given the commentary from the city specifically about the cost, this make sense as a conclusion |
| 21:14.00 | keldwud | I was trying to point out that they should have used what you mentioned as an argument against his proposal |
| 21:14.04 | keldwud | not that it would cost money |
| 21:14.08 | keldwud | because that's just a dumb argument |
| 21:14.19 | keldwud | it will cost anybody millions of dollars to do anything with it |
| 21:14.26 | Tod-Work | (it also would have been more honest of them) |
| 21:14.39 | keldwud | so that's not a valid differentiating argument to decide who and who shouldn't get the bid |
| 21:14.54 | keldwud | basically they were just trying to call him out in public and call him poor |
| 21:15.01 | YUKAIA-WORK | they asked for demolitions proposals, not for ideas on how to use the building. |
| 21:15.06 | Tod-Work | personally I don't think Provo needs MORE people, but I'm moving north so I don't actually care |
| 21:15.08 | keldwud | I think it's rather offensive that they would say "it will cost millions of dollars" |
| 21:15.51 | YUKAIA-WORK | they made no mention to his specific lack of money other than it would costs millions of dollars to renovate. |
| 21:16.27 | keldwud | I feel like there are some underlying issues here that I'm not privy to |
| 21:16.28 | YUKAIA-WORK | how is it offensive to actually speak the truth? |
| 21:16.39 | keldwud | and I'm thinking maybe I should back off |
| 21:16.49 | Tod-Work | keldwud, nah, you're fine |
| 21:16.55 | keldwud | I don't think I know the whole story anymore |
| 21:17.03 | Tod-Work | you can just move on, you've communicated accurately |
| 21:17.09 | keldwud | ok :) |
| 21:17.10 | keldwud | thanks |
| 21:17.11 | YUKAIA-WORK | it really would cost millions, the whole building would have to be rewired, decontaminated and then most likely structurally reinforced. |
| 21:17.36 | YUKAIA-WORK | it's not a simple prospect replacing the windows, kicking out any rodents and letting the interior dry out. |
| 21:17.40 | Tod-Work | I need my colocation people to respond to my email =c( |
| 21:17.43 | YUKAIA-WORK | it's a full disaster recovery. |
| 21:21.06 | romanovic | Tod-Work: Agreed. i still haven't found a strategy more effective than git flow, but I also never limit myself to just the branch types git-flow creates (e.g. I create a lot of experimental, sub-feature, and temporary branches on my own, I don't git flow everything) |
| 21:21.52 | romanovic | the GitLab CEO made a great comment in response to the article on HN. "The power of git is the ability to work in parallel without getting in each-others way. No longer having a linear history is an acceptable consequence. In reality the history was never linear to begin with. It is better to have a messy but realistic history if you want to trace back what happend and who did and tested what at what time. I prefer my code to be clean and my history to |
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| 21:36.52 | bregalad | yeah |
| 21:49.57 | RyanE | Tod-Work: If you're moving north because Provo has too many people, I think you'll find that there are too many people up there, too. :) |
| 21:50.46 | Tod-Work | RyanE, less dense than Provo, and it should be noted that I'm going to a sparser development in the mountain, so not quite the same as townhomes =cP |
| 21:51.09 | Tod-Work | now if only I could get a place IN in the mountain |
| 21:51.16 | RyanE | "less dense than Provo" really does depend on where you're looking... It's not a function of valley, IOW |
| 21:51.18 | Tod-Work | some sort of bunker or something |
| 21:51.28 | RyanE | Highland is less dense than Provo/Orem, too. |
| 21:51.30 | Tod-Work | fair point |
| 21:51.50 | RyanE | And, Highland is 20% less snooty than Alpine. :) |
| 21:52.13 | Tod-Work | I like Highland, actually. The aversion from Highlalpine to having anything nice except for their houses though, that keeps me from living there |
| 21:52.46 | Tod-Work | "No no, we don't WANT a restaurant, or internet, or a convenience store, or a bus stop." |
| 21:53.05 | RyanE | heh. Yeah, it's like that. |
| 21:53.20 | Tod-Work | I hear there are areas around SLC that are worse about that, but I haven't seen them |
| 21:53.22 | RyanE | The other issue is, $$$$. :) |
| 21:53.41 | RyanE | but good luck to ya wherever you land. Moving is hell. |
| 21:59.56 | bregalad | so you're saying people move there to be anachronistic? |
| 22:00.04 | bregalad | the city of the backward? |
| 22:00.24 | bregalad | do they wear 19th century clothes? |
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| 22:04.10 | Tod-Work | RyanE, yeah, I don't really shop around well for the price, I think. That sort of mentality lands you in Eagle Mountain =cP |
| 22:04.22 | bregalad | lol |
| 22:05.43 | RyanE | ha! |
| 22:05.55 | RyanE | Utah's dust bowl. |
| 22:06.16 | RyanE | We went out there for the Rodeo a few years ago. Grit was embedded in orifices I'd forgotten I had. |
| 22:11.18 | jalbretsen | keldwud: Followup, the recruiter says it's a difference in "marketing terminology". |
| 22:20.21 | keldwud | jalbretsen, hah |
| 22:20.33 | keldwud | yeah, no, it's just plain deception |
| 22:23.50 | Tod-Work | jalbretsen, do you respond to all recruiters? |
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| 22:26.18 | jalbretsen | I told them I have been around long enough to know the difference marketing terminology and a completely misleading job title |
| 22:29.00 | jalbretsen | Tod-Work: Respond... maybe 90% of them. I like to keep the job networking as large as possible because one never knows when the boss will walk in with your H-1B Visa replacement. |
| 22:29.27 | jalbretsen | it also lets me prioritize who I'll contact first, and who I won't bother contacting |
| 22:29.43 | jalbretsen | this guy just got moved to near the bottom |
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