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| 14:59.41 | Tod-Work | The guy that does ExpanDrive is a cool dude. That is all. |
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| 15:45.15 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
| 15:45.15 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo-staff. |
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| 16:35.47 | keldwud | shalkie, link to that story? also, I obviously didn't receive your response until after I'm back from camping :) |
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| 16:46.55 | bregalad | the thing that always gets me about a new phone is how stupid all of the alert sounds are |
| 16:47.18 | bregalad | they all have innocent sounding names, like 'ping' or 'ding', etc. |
| 16:47.48 | bregalad | but then they all sound like a synthesizer defecating |
| 16:50.08 | RyanE | bregalad: not fair. Not *all* of them sound like a synth defecating. Some sound like a synth throwing up. |
| 16:55.08 | keldwud | I like the chirp. It's the least intrusive one I could find |
| 17:00.24 | bregalad | I don't think my new phone has a chirp sound :( |
| 17:00.39 | bregalad | although one of them may be called 'chirp' |
| 17:00.58 | RyanE | don't confuse it with 'chimp'. |
| 17:02.57 | bregalad | also, it seems that a team of psychedelic flash ninjas have gotten hold of all the google apps on android since the release that my last phone had |
| 17:03.40 | bregalad | I have several minor vomit reflexes every time I use my phone |
| 17:05.16 | bregalad | clearly it was designed for people whose reflexes have been deadened by years of reality TV |
| 17:05.34 | eightyeight | good thing you can install your own sounds, and remove others |
| 17:08.02 | bregalad | but then I can't complain about it |
| 17:16.42 | goozbach | only proper notification sound: http://www.asterisksounds.org/en/sounds/tt-monkeys |
| 17:17.58 | RyanE | That's the kind of sound that makes people remember to mute their phones during church. *after* the first time. |
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| 17:37.37 | Pontifier | Anyone have any idea why I'm not getting PLUG emails since april? |
| 17:38.29 | bregalad | all of the flame wars finally flamed out |
| 17:43.10 | Pontifier | It looks like there are emails in the archive that i'm not getting... maybe my old email address started blocking plug.org... |
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| 18:03.21 | youtah | hey harleypig http://imgur.com/gallery/fC8Q5 |
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| 18:05.40 | harleypig | I'm more likely to see Frank than a cheap bunny suit. |
| 18:06.13 | harleypig | And I've done all of that except for heroin and ecstasy. While driving. |
| 18:06.45 | harleypig | Including trying to use the windshield wipers incorrectly. |
| 18:07.50 | harleypig | Harvey might be a more interesting rabbit to see, but Frank is certainly more freaky. |
| 18:09.39 | harleypig | We hotboxed a friends car once. I don't remember who started driving it, but we ended up in Provo Canyon on the other side of the river from the road ... |
| 18:11.10 | harleypig | Man ... now I'm nostalgic. |
| 18:37.57 | Pontifier | I'm trying to convince Provo city to give me the old jail in south Provo. |
| 18:38.34 | Pontifier | The city council is meeting tomorrow at 5:30pm to vote to have it demolished instead |
| 18:43.29 | Tod-Work | Pontifier, what would you do with it? |
| 18:44.45 | Pontifier | I have a copy of the proposal here: http://www.provolt.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/SecurityCenterProposal.pdf |
| 18:45.13 | Pontifier | Basically I want to turn it into a huge makerspace, and startup office space. |
| 18:45.45 | Pontifier | There would also be space for some high tech lab space, which is absent from Utah county currently. |
| 18:45.55 | RyanE | wonething wrong with that URL |
| 18:45.57 | RyanE | something |
| 18:46.21 | RyanE | ah, it's a name resolution issue. |
| 18:46.25 | RyanE | so maybe it's only me. |
| 18:46.44 | Pontifier | hmmm.... does the main domain show up? |
| 18:46.50 | RyanE | weird. now working, after I hit the main domain. |
| 18:47.00 | Pontifier | what about crossies.com? |
| 18:47.20 | RyanE | That one gives me a DNS error as well. |
| 18:47.31 | RyanE | www.crossies.com does seem to work. |
| 18:47.38 | Pontifier | weird... I'll have to figure out what's wrong... |
| 18:47.45 | RyanE | now it just works. |
| 18:47.50 | RyanE | either one. |
| 18:47.51 | RyanE | odd. |
| 18:48.24 | Pontifier | I have to redirect the subdomain through a dynamic dns provider to get my server working here, so maybe that has something to do with it. |
| 18:48.35 | Tod-Work | I got the pdf just fine |
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| 18:49.51 | RyanE | I can get it fine now as well. Just didn't do the original redirect until I hit the main site first. |
| 18:50.13 | RyanE | Good luck with it. |
| 18:50.33 | Pontifier | Thanks. I think it would be a shame to tear down. |
| 18:51.03 | RyanE | You should offer them $2. That way, you'll beat all those $1 deadbeats. |
| 18:51.10 | RyanE | and it's twice what Google paid for the network. |
| 18:51.20 | RyanE | Wouldn't you love to say you paid twice as much as Google? |
| 18:51.41 | Pontifier | There were only 3 other bids... one didn't have a price, one was for 500k, the other for 1M |
| 18:52.12 | Pontifier | I had to file a GRAMA request to get them. |
| 18:53.52 | Pontifier | That would be nice to say at least once, but "I'd buy that for a dollar" just still has a nice ring to it. |
| 18:55.05 | goozbach | Pontifier: what is the address of the security center? |
| 18:55.22 | Pontifier | 1776 Buckley ave |
| 18:55.28 | Pontifier | or lane |
| 18:56.32 | Pontifier | https://www.google.com/maps/place/1776+Buckley+Ln,+Provo,+UT+84606/@40.2095629,-111.6272494,305m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x874d970446be1f0b:0xa374cf538f001a30!2s1776+Buckley+Ln,+Provo,+UT+84606!3b1!3m1!1s0x874d970446be1f0b:0xa374cf538f001a30 |
| 18:57.49 | Pontifier | here's a video of the inside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QUFM-va83c |
| 18:57.51 | shalkie | Did you propose a purchase or a lease? |
| 18:58.16 | Pontifier | purchase with 5 year buyback if the city doesn't like what it's become. |
| 18:59.04 | jlp_znc | http://www.twogag.com/archives/3480 |
| 19:00.13 | shalkie | Good luck. |
| 19:01.12 | Pontifier | Thanks. They're voting on it tomorrow, so any support at the meeting would be appreciated |
| 19:02.00 | bregalad | sounds awesome |
| 19:02.57 | bregalad | but I don't imagine the leaders of hyper republican Provo to believe in something so progressive |
| 19:03.19 | d3c4f | Pontifier, I have a couple questions. 1) How would you afford utilities on such a massive space 2) Is it really safe to leave the asbestos in place and 3) How would you raise the money for cleanup and repairs of the space to make it usable? |
| 19:04.23 | d3c4f | definitely interesting, I hope I'm not coming off as an asshole, I'm legitimately curious |
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| 19:05.23 | RyanE | Pretty sure the answer given for #2 will be *yes*... |
| 19:05.32 | programmerq | my understanding is that asbestos, covered and left in place, isn't a hazard. it's more of a hazard to folks who manipulate it (on installation or removal, specifically) |
| 19:05.33 | RyanE | You'd have to believe that |
| 19:05.58 | programmerq | <-- not an expert on asbestos |
| 19:08.57 | Tod-Work | programmerq, it's also a problem in ventilation overlaps |
| 19:09.21 | programmerq | that makes sense |
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| 19:18.12 | Pontifier | d3c4f, I found a couple of anchor tenants that would want to move offices into the building. Their rent would go straight toward utilities, especially as there would be no rental costs. Heating wouldn't be a big issue till winter... it'll be tough. |
| 19:19.29 | d3c4f | Sounds reasonable. I don't see any of that in the proposal though, and I think they will want to see that. |
| 19:19.40 | d3c4f | also, is cooling going to be an issue during the summer? |
| 19:20.09 | Pontifier | programmerq, Since there was so much opposition to the DIY asbestos thing, I'd be using licenced asbestos firms to do the work. I was assured by Robert Ford from the department of air quality that it could be made safe. |
| 19:20.45 | Pontifier | I was never able to inspect the building, but it has lots of thermal mass. it should be cool in the summer. |
| 19:21.27 | goozbach | that would be an awesome space |
| 19:21.37 | d3c4f | Wasn't it $300k+ in your proposal to clean up the asbestos? How would that money be raised? |
| 19:22.26 | Pontifier | The state has money through the UCAP project to pay up to $200k to renovate facilities. I was assured that we would fit right in. |
| 19:23.08 | d3c4f | that's awesome! where would the rest come from though? |
| 19:23.12 | Pontifier | The roof wouldn't need to be handled, because it wouldn't be demolished. |
| 19:23.47 | Pontifier | Much of the remediation could be done over time. Certain zones would be cleared before they were occupied. |
| 19:24.08 | d3c4f | nice |
| 19:24.39 | d3c4f | How come that's not in the proposal? |
| 19:24.55 | Pontifier | According to the actual asbestos report, most of the remediation is concentrated in the boiler room. Most of the rest of the building is clear. |
| 19:26.13 | Pontifier | page 3: "Startup office space rental, grants, and the sale of..." income sources |
| 19:27.16 | Pontifier | Apendix A: "..most of the asbestos containing material could remain in place if it was intact and not a danger..." |
| 19:27.22 | d3c4f | ahh, It's a little buried, but it's there. I should have read better. |
| 19:27.25 | Pontifier | Maybe i didn't highlight that enough |
| 19:28.48 | d3c4f | Cool. Sounds like an awesome project. Best of luck. Keep us posted |
| 19:30.04 | Pontifier | Thanks, that means a lot to me. This is the last ditch effort for this project. A couple of city employees chose a different proposal, but they still need city council approval. |
| 19:30.41 | Pontifier | If they vote to demolish it tomorrow, then I don't think there is much hope left. |
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