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| 16:28.14 | keldwud | cops picked up my daughter this morning at the bus stop |
| 16:28.16 | keldwud | and brought her home |
| 16:28.21 | keldwud | shakes head |
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| 16:28.50 | keldwud | all because she was waiting at the bus stop to go to school |
| 16:28.57 | keldwud | like she does EVERY DAY |
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| 16:30.01 | jlp_znc | what? |
| 16:30.11 | jlp_znc | did they think she was a runaway or something? |
| 16:30.12 | keldwud | yeah, this is the second time they've harassed her |
| 16:30.22 | keldwud | no, because they have talked to her before |
| 16:30.30 | keldwud | and I called dispatch the day after the first incident |
| 16:30.39 | keldwud | and gave all my info and told them that this is our routine |
| 16:30.49 | keldwud | and I then called CPS to make sure I wasn't crazy |
| 16:30.53 | keldwud | for a sanity check |
| 16:31.13 | keldwud | we live in a culture completely hyped up on fear |
| 16:31.16 | jlp_znc | how old is your daughter now? 8 or so? |
| 16:31.19 | keldwud | 7 |
| 16:31.32 | keldwud | so a little younger than most people are comfortable with, I get it |
| 16:31.43 | keldwud | but I'm a pretty rational person |
| 16:31.47 | jlp_znc | our culture is insane. /me wails "think of the children!?" |
| 16:31.49 | goozbach | keldwud: oh man! |
| 16:31.57 | goozbach | best of luck to you |
| 16:32.17 | keldwud | she knows not to get into somebody's car (except the cop car apparently) and doesn't play in the street |
| 16:32.25 | keldwud | she knows her phone number, knows how to get home |
| 16:32.27 | bregalad | you should tell them to take her to school every day |
| 16:32.37 | keldwud | bregalad, or maybe the people who keep calling the cops |
| 16:32.46 | bregalad | they clearly don't have anything else to do :-) |
| 16:32.55 | jlp_znc | man, they would have a field day with one of my neighbors... they have, I think, 9 kids. I have seen the youngest 5 (oldest of them is 8) wandering around town. |
| 16:33.00 | keldwud | I really want to make an issue out of it but that would involve dragging my daughter into bullshit she shouldn't have to deal with |
| 16:33.07 | Tod-Work | keldwud, one has a right to know their accuser, you can get that info if the cops are taking action on it |
| 16:33.18 | Tod-Work | might be difficult, I suppose |
| 16:33.21 | jlp_znc | "free range kids" as we call them... :-) |
| 16:33.26 | keldwud | Tod-Work, well how does that work out, unless we are going to court |
| 16:33.37 | keldwud | I thought it only applied to actual charges |
| 16:33.42 | goozbach | http://www.freerangekids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/free-range-red-v2.pdf |
| 16:33.46 | keldwud | there are no charges here because no laws were broken |
| 16:33.58 | jlp_znc | yeah, they would have to actually charge you with endangerment or some crap like that |
| 16:34.07 | keldwud | they can't charge me with endangerment |
| 16:34.14 | keldwud | because she wasn't endangered |
| 16:34.21 | jlp_znc | can you give her a note or something to carry that she can show them next time? |
| 16:34.23 | keldwud | they'd ahve to call CPS to investigate |
| 16:34.30 | keldwud | note isn't going to help |
| 16:34.42 | jlp_znc | does she ride the city bus? |
| 16:34.44 | keldwud | I had already called dispatch to let them know that I am aware of where my daughter is at |
| 16:34.46 | keldwud | yeah, UTA |
| 16:34.54 | Tod-Work | it does not only apply to charges, it applies to any action taken by law enforcement against you outside routine investigation, so like if a warrant was issued to search your property you have a right to know what evidence that was based on, etc |
| 16:35.04 | keldwud | she goes to a charter school, they don't have buses |
| 16:35.11 | Tod-Work | usually there's no process in place to get such information, so a lawyer often has to be involved =c( |
| 16:35.23 | keldwud | yeah, that's what I figured |
| 16:35.24 | bregalad | )c= |
| 16:35.29 | keldwud | I'd get the runaround for a few months |
| 16:35.33 | jlp_znc | no doubt |
| 16:35.43 | jlp_znc | have a chat with the mayor's office |
| 16:35.47 | keldwud | oh hey |
| 16:35.48 | keldwud | good idea |
| 16:35.54 | keldwud | the mayor is pretty open |
| 16:35.58 | keldwud | Provo mayor |
| 16:35.59 | bregalad | what city? |
| 16:36.02 | jlp_znc | can't hurt |
| 16:36.09 | keldwud | he has a decent open door policy |
| 16:36.19 | keldwud | and is pretty responsive to his citizens |
| 16:36.26 | jlp_znc | and he can lean on the chief pretty easily as they report to him. |
| 16:36.26 | goozbach | and contact http://www.freerangekids.com/ and let her get the word out |
| 16:36.38 | keldwud | but at the same time, it's an uphill battle. I'm fighting our culture |
| 16:36.38 | goozbach | we could have a let your kid bus-a-thon |
| 16:36.45 | keldwud | oooh |
| 16:36.48 | keldwud | bus-a-thon! |
| 16:36.54 | keldwud | that's a great idea! |
| 16:37.01 | keldwud | show people that our community is safe! |
| 16:37.14 | keldwud | instead of telling us how dangerous it is that a kid can't be alone on the corner |
| 16:37.28 | keldwud | because that's the message you send when you have cops enforce kids not being alone |
| 16:37.36 | keldwud | you're telling us that our city is dangerous |
| 16:37.52 | jlp_znc | letter to the editor time! |
| 16:37.57 | bregalad | but didn't you know that there's a terrorist on every street corner? |
| 16:38.05 | jlp_znc | (not that anyone reads the paper any more) |
| 16:38.06 | keldwud | bregalad, inorite!? |
| 16:38.36 | bregalad | keldwud: do you have a community council? |
| 16:38.44 | keldwud | I don't know, really |
| 16:39.05 | keldwud | I mean, it is important for me that my daughter be able to navigate her own city |
| 16:39.18 | keldwud | but at the same time, because of these two incidents, she is now nervous about it |
| 16:39.27 | keldwud | and I don't want to force her to do something that makes her feel uncomfortable |
| 16:39.42 | Tod-Work | is totes selling a house within walking distance to just about everything >.> |
| 16:39.43 | keldwud | she used to be super excited about it and beg for it |
| 16:39.54 | keldwud | "daddy, when can I take the bus by myself!?" |
| 16:40.05 | keldwud | after the first week, her confidence levels were through the roof |
| 16:40.15 | keldwud | "daddy, I feel like a big girl" |
| 16:40.22 | keldwud | "thank you for letting me take the bus, daddy" |
| 16:40.37 | keldwud | now it's "daddy, I'm scared that the cops are going to come get me" |
| 16:40.44 | keldwud | because she obviously feels like she's in trouble now |
| 16:40.52 | keldwud | because cops show up when you're doing something wrong |
| 16:41.13 | keldwud | Tod-Work, better not let your kids walk anywhere alone, the cops will snatch them up! |
| 16:41.53 | Tod-Work | nah, orem cops push their power trips on adults in traffic violations, they largely ignore pedestrians (even jaywalkers in the middle of state street) |
| 16:42.19 | keldwud | ok, maybe I can get back to sleep and get some rest before my shift tonight :( |
| 16:42.33 | Tod-Work | keldwud, if you get like a number we can call and complain about the behavior of said cops in this situation, let us know. I'll happily call. |
| 16:42.33 | keldwud | also, hi goozbach and jlp_znc ! long time no see :) |
| 16:43.00 | keldwud | Tod-Work, hah. It really is something I want to fight for but I'm worried that I should maybe assess the situation first |
| 16:43.05 | jlp_znc | yeah, I'll call, too. and hi :-) |
| 16:43.11 | keldwud | because it could backfire and affect us quite negatively in the long run |
| 16:43.18 | Tod-Work | well, assess and get back to us |
| 16:46.17 | keldwud | heh |
| 16:46.18 | keldwud | asses |
| 16:46.53 | jlp_znc | that's the way I read it, too. :-) |
| 17:50.35 | harleypig | I'm having trouble with postfix on centos 7. When I try to send a test email from the command line using 'sendmail test@harleypig.com', enter some garbage text then a blank line I get 'sendmail: Cannot open mail:25' |
| 17:51.08 | harleypig | firewall-cmd --list-services shows 'dhcpv6-client http https smtp ssh' |
| 17:51.25 | harleypig | I can telnet to localhost 25 and get the postfix prompt |
| 17:52.03 | harleypig | netstat -an | grep :25 shows tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 17:52.24 | harleypig | Anything else I should be looking at? |
| 17:53.04 | shalkie | harleypig: Is the hostname mail? |
| 17:53.47 | harleypig | ? You mean the output of the program hostname? |
| 17:54.09 | shalkie | I was just trying to decide if it was trying to use the external IP instead of loopback. |
| 17:54.27 | shalkie | SELinux? |
| 17:54.36 | harleypig | Hmmm ... how do I check that. |
| 17:54.40 | harleypig | No, selinux is disabled. |
| 17:54.42 | fozzmoo | ~lart goozbach |
| 17:54.42 | infobot | beats goozbach into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 17:55.14 | joshh | ya see what it thinks 'mail' is |
| 17:57.21 | harleypig | Sorry if I'm being dense ... do you mean what dns thinks 'mail' is or what postfix thinks 'mail' is. |
| 17:57.30 | joshh | dns |
| 17:58.25 | shalkie | or /etc/hosts |
| 17:58.58 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.23 | harleypig | host mail gives host mail not found |
| 17:59.34 | harleypig | nslookup gives can't find mail. |
| 17:59.37 | shalkie | harleypig: If you try sending a test of mail with the `mail` command, does that work? |
| 17:59.52 | shalkie | ^of^piece of^ |
| 17:59.57 | harleypig | shalkie: mail command doesn't exist |
| 18:00.41 | shalkie | mutt? |
| 18:00.54 | harleypig | I don't really want to install mutt on this sytem. |
| 18:01.07 | joshh | apt-get install mailx |
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| 18:01.54 | shalkie | harleypig: meh. try get ent hosts mail and see if it gives back something |
| 18:02.08 | joshh | but with the exact command you did it should be looking up and connecting to the mx for harleypig.com which is gmail |
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| 18:02.32 | shalkie | s/get ent/getent/ |
| 18:05.33 | harleypig | getent hosts mail returns nothing, $? == 2, which basically means the same thing. |
| 18:06.02 | harleypig | joshh: mailx gives almost the same thing |
| 18:06.15 | joshh | it just provides the mail command |
| 18:07.12 | harleypig | err ... sorry ... after installing mailx, the mail command returns almost the same thing: 'send-mail' instead of 'sendmail' |
| 18:10.11 | harleypig | So, is this a dns problem, not a problem with postfix? |
| 18:10.46 | joshh | imo the error indicates it's trying to use a thing called mail instead of the mx |
| 18:11.00 | joshh | and can't connect to port 25 on whatever it thinks it is |
| 18:11.26 | joshh | what mta? |
| 18:11.47 | harleypig | postfix |
| 18:12.09 | harleypig | As far as I can tell I've got it setup correctly. |
| 18:13.04 | harleypig | I can telnet to localhost 25 and see the postfix prompt |
| 18:15.01 | harleypig | getent hosts $(hostname) gives me valid infor (hostname == gl.vwh.net, just in case it matters) |
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| 18:16.18 | harleypig | journalctl -u postfix shows the following two possible problems |
| 18:16.30 | harleypig | May 18 18:11:32 gl.vwh.net aliasesdb[18401]: newaliases: In sSMTP aliases are read from a plain text file |
| 18:16.30 | harleypig | May 18 18:11:32 gl.vwh.net aliasesdb[18401]: touch: failed to get attributes of â/etc/aliases.dbâ: No such file or directory |
| 18:18.12 | joshh | can you post your sanitized postfix configs? |
| 18:18.28 | harleypig | running newaliases gives the first error message and doesn't create the aliases.db |
| 18:18.49 | harleypig | Sure, they're the default, except inet is now all. Just a sec. |
| 18:22.22 | harleypig | You want {main,master}.cf or all of /etc/postfix? |
| 18:23.03 | joshh | probabl both of those, i haven't touched anything mail related for years |
| 18:24.22 | harleypig | meh ... nopaste is taking forever to install, sorry. |
| 18:24.39 | joshh | don't like pastebin.com? |
| 18:30.26 | bregalad | why is it when you do anything online, you're pretty much guaranteed to hand over all of your data to corporate miners and government terrorist agencies? |
| 18:32.58 | joshh | because we can't have a socialist obama internet |
| 18:33.42 | harleypig | well, hell. I can only get the debian pastebin to work. http://paste.debian.net/179722/ |
| 18:34.01 | harleypig | I have nothing against pastebin.com ... I just don't want to cut-n-paste two large files. |
| 18:44.17 | fungus | harleypig, perhaps the actual sendmail program is still installed and being used. compare `ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail*` |
| 18:45.35 | harleypig | yum list installed '*sendmail*' only shows fail2ban-sendmail |
| 18:55.51 | fungus | harleypig, perhaps it's a different program installed, maybe ssmtp. compare `ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail*` |
| 18:56.37 | harleypig | https://gist.github.com/74b9a039c785b46af7da |
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| 18:57.04 | fungus | ok, so sendmail is linked to /etc/alternatives/mta |
| 18:57.08 | fungus | what is that linked to? |
| 18:58.20 | harleypig | Oh. Ultimately, /usr/sbin/ssmtp ... |
| 18:58.27 | fungus | Tada! |
| 18:58.30 | fungus | problem found |
| 18:59.39 | fungus | You can probably just use the CentOS alternative system to repoint it to postfix |
| 19:00.22 | fungus | Looks like `alternatives --config sendmail` |
| 19:00.48 | frostyfrog | I'm not sure I've really liked the alternatives system. It abstracts a bit much. |
| 19:01.00 | harleypig | I removed ssmtp and /usr/sbin/sendmail is now point to /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix |
| 19:01.39 | harleypig | sendmail test@harleypig.com completed without problems, but it hasn't shown up yet. |
| 19:01.45 | harleypig | Yay, more troubleshooting. |
| 19:02.17 | harleypig | And thanks for pointing that out fungus |
| 19:02.47 | fungus | Your logs should show the disposition of the email now |
| 19:04.25 | harleypig | Yeah, it is ... I was just impatient. |
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| 20:31.46 | jalbretsen | UGH! Does this totally complex way of hiring some third party to submit job apps through really make things easier than just submitting a PDF resume and having someone look at it??!? |
| 20:32.54 | bregalad | plus nth party gets all ur data |
| 20:32.59 | jlp_znc | jalbretsen: are you trying to hire someone? or are you trying to be hired? |
| 20:33.44 | jlp_znc | because most likely the purpose of it is to make it easier for the person doing the hiring. |
| 20:34.19 | jalbretsen | applied for something |
| 20:34.29 | jalbretsen | job #1 - submit resume. Done |
| 20:35.05 | jalbretsen | job #2 - here is 3rd party app, upload resume, app tries to parse resume and does a ***ty job, I don't want to spend and hour fixing it. Gives up. |
| 20:35.29 | jlp_znc | see, you just saved the company who is trying to hire someone from having to look at your resume. |
| 20:36.03 | jalbretsen | I really hope there is sarcasm in that statement ;) |
| 20:36.21 | jlp_znc | I remember when we were trying to hire someone at a former company. my boss had a stack of resumes about an inch thick. he took the top half of the stack and dropped them in the trash, saying "those people were unlucky, we don't hire unlucky people" (or words to that effect) |
| 20:36.49 | jalbretsen | his loss |
| 20:36.54 | jlp_znc | possibly |
| 20:37.07 | jlp_znc | at the time, I was aghast |
| 20:37.12 | goozbach | jlp_znc: you don't do it by just taking the top half |
| 20:37.19 | goozbach | you throw them all down a stairwell |
| 20:37.28 | goozbach | those which make it the furthest you keep |
| 20:37.31 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:37.34 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 20:37.38 | jalbretsen | good hell |
| 20:37.43 | goozbach | then it's a function a bit more true random |
| 20:37.49 | bregalad | so, I'm listening to all of Beethoven's piano sonatas, and you know the 8th really is special, considering the 7 previous |
| 20:37.51 | goozbach | instead of time based or alphebetic |
| 20:38.03 | goozbach | or however it was the stask was ordered |
| 20:38.07 | jalbretsen | course, I'm jaded at the moment, so I find it less funny that I would if I was not :) |
| 20:38.27 | bregalad | jlp_znc: that's easy to game, just apply more than once |
| 20:38.30 | bregalad | with different names |
| 20:39.06 | bregalad | if you're resume is more than half the total, then you're guaranteed an interview |
| 20:39.15 | jlp_znc | seriously, though, they only want to hire people who really want to work there. if you won't jump through their hoops, then you don't really really want to work there. |
| 20:40.12 | jalbretsen | applies for a job with the name "Ulrich von Liechtenstein" |
| 20:40.34 | Tod-Work | (and you don't want to work there if bureaucracy isn't your thing) |
| 20:40.35 | bregalad | that's sure to be a winner |
| 20:41.18 | jlp_znc | my model these days is "my job history is in my linked in profile. here's the link." |
| 20:41.34 | jlp_znc | (filling in the job history is the worst part of those online apps) |
| 20:41.56 | jalbretsen | that's the part that was parsed poorly |
| 20:42.20 | jalbretsen | LinkedIn might be the way to go here, there was that option |
| 20:43.42 | jalbretsen | it's funny, solution is to have your resume in only one spot and apply just with that! And there are 10,000 different version of that solution, so it's just as bit a PITA as it was before. Make me laugh. |
| 20:44.10 | Jayce^ | tags goozbach in more earworms |
| 20:44.13 | bregalad | but linkedin pwnz ur data |
| 20:44.56 | jlp_znc | bregalad: true. if you think you can still have any privacy in this world, well, good luck. |
| 20:45.24 | shalkie | bregalad: They pawn your data? Is there a data pawn shop? Does it work like a regular pawn shop? |
| 20:45.38 | shalkie | ;) |
| 20:45.41 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNdw4DaUM8 |
| 20:46.23 | bregalad | doesn't tell shalkie how hobos have been pilfering his linkedin data pawns for some time |
| 20:46.42 | Tod-Work | http://imgur.com/gallery/2BcodMA |
| 20:46.44 | Jayce^ | shalkie: have you ever shopped a russian credit-card list? |
| 20:47.11 | shalkie | Jayce^: No, I have not. |
| 20:48.02 | Jayce^ | shalkie: your pawn shop analogy can work pretty well with them :) |
| 20:48.09 | Jayce^ | pwn shops.. |
| 20:50.44 | shalkie | Oh imgur to the rescue on resume tips: |
| 20:51.03 | shalkie | Oh imgur to the rescue on resume tips: http://imgur.com/gallery/0GoGQQO |
| 20:51.52 | Jayce^ | now shalkie needs irc tips |
| 20:52.08 | shalkie | Yeah... |
| 20:52.13 | shalkie | hangs head in shame |
| 20:55.56 | jalbretsen | makes jlp_znc and Tod-Work proud and goes the Linked-In route. |
| 20:56.12 | goozbach | it's hard to get past that hurdle even when you have four people on the inside pulling for you |
| 20:56.30 | goozbach | took 5? attempts to get my resume in front of the right person at Bluehost |
| 20:56.36 | shalkie | Wait, is jalbretsen going for bluehost? |
| 20:56.39 | jalbretsen | no no no |
| 20:56.47 | Tod-Work | technically I'm not proud unless you really, really want to work there |
| 20:56.57 | jalbretsen | that Jayce^ guy would NEVER have me |
| 20:57.04 | goozbach | jalbretsen: why not!? |
| 20:57.19 | jalbretsen | sorry, for got the <wink> |
| 21:00.08 | jalbretsen | Tod-Work - I need to interview them first, but the job description company information on their website made me very interested. |
| 21:00.42 | Tod-Work | jalbretsen, forgive their HR, for they know not what they do |
| 21:01.08 | bregalad | lol |
| 21:01.10 | Tod-Work | (seriously, they likely have no idea what's up with anything, outsourcing even basic tasks like this to "save time") |
| 21:01.15 | jalbretsen | good point, good point |
| 21:03.49 | jalbretsen | ya, my argument is does it REALLY save them time. Does the X amount of dollars justify someone not taking an hour and going through resumes. Perhaps in a large company it might. |
| 21:05.43 | joshh | ive never worked somewhere where "HR" sees resumes before the manager of the technical team doing the hiring, if ever. what kind of places do that? |
| 21:06.25 | Tod-Work | bigger places |
| 21:07.25 | joshh | also i wouldn't choose to app to such a place unless i lived somewhere with very limited options |
| 21:07.53 | joshh | or if there were a bunch of other upsides |
| 21:11.23 | jalbretsen | WOW. The LinkedIn import was just about as crappy as the PDF resume. |
| 21:12.25 | Tod-Work | mmmmm, crap tools |
| 21:12.37 | Jayce^ | ~blame jlp_znc |
| 21:12.37 | infobot | ACTION blames jlp_znc (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 21:14.11 | joshh | he ruined linkedin and left it in shambles to go back to utah, and now jalbretsen can't apply somewhere |
| 21:14.46 | jlp_znc | bows |
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| 21:15.30 | jlp_znc | actually, I worked on the "cloud" at linkedin. at linkedin, "cloud" means what "graph" would mean anywhere else. :-) |
| 21:16.51 | bregalad | you drew fun graphs all day? |
| 21:17.02 | bregalad | or graph theory? |
| 21:17.09 | bregalad | ~wiki graph theory |
| 21:18.48 | jlp_znc | the graph was the database of interconnections between objects (i.e., members, companies, etc) |
| 21:19.36 | jlp_znc | it was a three tiered internally developed cache of the data intended to be queried by other parts of the site for interconnection data |
| 21:20.16 | jalbretsen | ya, I don't think this was LinkedIn, rather it was the third party that used the API to grab the data. |
| 21:20.52 | jlp_znc | I'm sure it was the 3rd party's fault. :-) |
| 21:21.58 | bregalad | I prefer graph theory |
| 21:26.32 | jalbretsen | That is my first guess because last week we had someone angry on the phone for over 20 minutes being a jerk. Turns out they were using our API wrong. As in something simple as a misspelling. So that theory is fresh. :) |
| 21:29.07 | joshh | the more someone yells, the more likely the problem is their own fault |
| 21:29.22 | unum | joshh++ |
| 21:32.36 | programmerq | joshh: yeah, at HP, all the resumes we got were filtered through the HR/recruiting folks first. |
| 21:35.17 | joshh | technical recruiting makes sense for it, if they are trying to route a candidate to the proper team/manaager |
| 21:35.25 | joshh | but not HR looking for required keywords |
| 21:35.39 | joshh | and min years experience with x |
| 21:37.18 | bregalad | just always say you have at least 5+ years with everything |
| 21:37.26 | joshh | or 10+ |
| 21:46.45 | goozbach | we need someone with 15years of docker experience |
| 21:46.55 | goozbach | or 35 years of Linux experience |
| 21:47.20 | jlp_znc | right |
| 21:48.01 | asoc | youcould get that If you counted working one 80 hour week as two weeks experience. |
| 21:48.14 | asoc | But that would still be a lot of 80 hour weeks. |
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| 22:06.06 | jalbretsen | My name is Rip Hunter, and I have 15 years of Docker experience, and 20 years of Salt experience. |
| 22:06.49 | joshh | wow you're the most qualified candidate ever |
| 22:13.38 | bregalad | I think the problem is that herding resources is always on the lookout for rockstar ninjas, whereas hiring managers are looking for anybody but rockstar ninjas |
| 22:14.51 | jalbretsen | I am experiencing that right now, unless you know of a rockstar ninja that doesn't want to be paid. That is what we are looking for. |
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| 22:19.15 | jalbretsen | Meetings go in this endless loop: "I don't want to / have the time to train anyone" "To do that we need to hire someone that is great at what they do" "I don't want to pay someone that much, only this much" "Well, someone willing to take that little will need a lot of training" |
| 22:19.37 | goozbach | well crap! |
| 22:20.00 | goozbach | turns out my lease doesn't turn over to month-to-month at the end of the term |
| 22:20.28 | goozbach | so I've got to sign another year or find a place to live by july 31 to stay in until our new home is built (late Nov I suppose) |
| 22:20.48 | jalbretsen | Live with the in-laws! |
| 22:20.59 | Jayce^ | that's what we were telling him to do |
| 22:21.04 | goozbach | jalbretsen: I *JUST* got them out of my basement! |
| 22:21.25 | jalbretsen | maybe I would fit in at Bluehost |
| 22:21.30 | goozbach | and their basement is literally trying to kill me |
| 22:21.37 | goozbach | like literally literally |
| 22:21.41 | Jayce^ | can accept that price |
| 22:21.44 | goozbach | not figuratively literally |
| 22:22.05 | goozbach | I also have to show our current house to potential renter tonight! |
| 22:22.12 | goozbach | call out of the blue |
| 22:22.14 | programmerq | saw the basement heading towards goozbach's place on i15 |
| 22:22.14 | goozbach | well crap |
| 22:22.16 | programmerq | he's not kidding. |
| 22:22.40 | goozbach | "the call is coming from inside the house!!!" |
| 22:24.51 | Tod-Work | goozbach, where are you building? |
| 22:25.22 | Tod-Work | Seasons at Traverse does short leases if you like Lehi |
| 22:26.11 | Jayce^ | so, the guy saying how glad he is that he got the in-laws out of his basement.. |
| 22:26.18 | Jayce^ | and doesn't want to live with in-laws in said new home.. |
| 22:26.29 | Jayce^ | is building a home.. next door to said in-laws... |
| 22:26.46 | Jayce^ | thinks he see's an issue |
| 22:27.52 | goozbach | Jayce^: next door is not on top of or below |
| 22:28.03 | goozbach | ground and air between walls of their space and my space |
| 22:28.09 | goozbach | that's enough for me |
| 22:28.17 | goozbach | my house shields my |
| 22:28.21 | goozbach | "back yard |
| 22:28.27 | goozbach | " space from their back yard space |
| 22:28.31 | goozbach | so it's good enough |
| 22:28.47 | goozbach | also, I can throw my kids out the back door and say "go to mamie and papa's house" |
| 22:28.52 | Jayce^ | has an in-law in LA, and the other in PA.. that's too close.. |
| 22:35.24 | Q_Continuum | Jayce^: Ah, so you're like the guy from Texas that moved his whole family when the new neighbors built a ranch because they were "too close" - something like 300 miles away :P |
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| 23:00.21 | bregalad | why is cryptographic source code always so cryptic? |
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| 23:12.02 | romanovic | any of you bikers have a good way to cross Redwood Rd @ Porter Rockwell? |
| 23:13.22 | romanovic | there is this convenient bike turn lane with a dedicated bike signal, for turning left from Redwood Rd ON to Porter Rockwell, but no good way to turn left from Porter Rockwell to Redwood |
| 23:14.14 | romanovic | I spent 5 min at the light this morning waiting for a car to come along and trigger it. didn't want to turn right and then risk crossing all the lanes of traffic to make a U turn |
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| 23:37.21 | romanovic | jlp_znc: there is no button or crosswalk. there is a bike lane turning southbound onto redwood, but none turning northbound, and the traffic signal won't change to green unless a car comes down the northbound turn lane |
| 23:38.56 | asoc | for bikes the law says if there is no signal change and you wait 90 seconds then you are good to go. |
| 23:39.08 | asoc | as long as there are no cars and such |
| 23:39.14 | romanovic | asoc: that's good to know. |
| 23:39.24 | romanovic | has only been biking a while |
| 23:39.47 | romanovic | It's still a little frightening, because cars often travel at 60+ mph through this intersection |
| 23:40.17 | romanovic | not a fun or safe place to shoot the gaps |
| 23:40.43 | asoc | Yea not so much. |
| 23:41.06 | romanovic | and even when no traffic is coming down Porter Rockwell blvd to trigger the light, there is always traffic on redwood |
| 23:41.23 | asoc | Yea I can see how that would be. |
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