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| 15:50.21 | jlp_znc | get ready for star wars puns |
| 15:58.50 | asoc | I will try to be ready... |
| 16:03.26 | d3c4f | Let's just get this out of the way: http://www.jokes4us.com/celebrityjokes/starwarsjokes.html |
| 16:03.57 | jsmith | Stay on target... |
| 16:04.33 | d3c4f | filthy creatures |
| 16:06.04 | d3c4f | ...Javas |
| 16:06.20 | jlp_znc | d3c4f: heh heh |
| 16:17.47 | Q_Continuum | There was a site 'the keepers of lists' - that existed back in the late 90's early 2000's that had 'top x list of y' |
| 16:17.52 | Q_Continuum | and would've been a goldmine for today. |
| 16:18.03 | Q_Continuum | But it seems to have tied sometime over the last decade or so. |
| 16:19.02 | bregalad | 'what happened to you guys?' 'we were tied.' |
| 16:19.22 | bregalad | Q_Continuum: internet archive? :-) |
| 16:20.00 | Q_Continuum | True |
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| 16:36.35 | goozbach | yay! openwest week! |
| 16:36.44 | goozbach | oh no!!! openwest week!!! |
| 16:36.52 | goozbach | guess I should get my presentations together |
| 16:37.14 | Q_Continuum | I'll be out-of-state :-( |
| 16:37.30 | Q_Continuum | Upside: vacation! |
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| 16:38.52 | goozbach | BOO!! |
| 16:55.27 | levi | Hi, #utah! |
| 16:55.33 | RyanE | howdy |
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| 16:57.15 | levi | How's it going? |
| 16:57.26 | RyanE | Good. |
| 16:57.34 | RyanE | you? |
| 16:59.30 | levi | Not too bad. Just pondering 'next steps' for my current work project. |
| 16:59.51 | RyanE | I'm trying to figure out what I need to get done before OpenWest thursday. |
| 16:59.56 | RyanE | work-wise |
| 17:02.39 | Q_Continuum | All the changes, of course |
| 17:09.00 | levi | Spent way too much time over the weekend playing Terraria with my kids. |
| 17:13.10 | programmerq | I've been going through broken age act 2 |
| 17:13.15 | programmerq | my kids seem to like watching that |
| 17:13.22 | programmerq | they get bored if I get stuck though. |
| 17:16.31 | Migs | oh man, why haven't I heard of Broken Age? |
| 17:16.37 | Migs | going to play that |
| 17:17.21 | eightyeight | http://carlyfiorina.org/ |
| 17:17.37 | programmerq | LOL |
| 17:17.58 | programmerq | that's pretty funny. |
| 17:18.18 | jlp_znc | woo |
| 17:18.24 | RyanE | nice. |
| 17:18.28 | programmerq | when I was at HP, someone referred to "SWMNBN" |
| 17:18.42 | programmerq | SWMNBN -> she who must not be named -> carly fiorina |
| 17:18.47 | levi | Heh. I have a couple of coworkers who have not so nice things to say about her as well. |
| 17:19.08 | joshh | she's definitely never been popular |
| 17:19.09 | levi | They worked at Lucent. |
| 17:19.12 | programmerq | it's been a decade, and there are still hard feelings. |
| 17:19.13 | eightyeight | npr ran a spot on her this morning: http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/05/03/403605737/5-things-you-should-know-about-carly-fiorina |
| 17:19.16 | jlp_znc | while I don't like getting laid off any more than the next guy, I can see that if there were indeed 30k people at HP that were not needed or were not doing their jobs sufficiently well to justify their salaries, I would probably lay them off, too. |
| 17:19.38 | eightyeight | didn't she take the jobs over seas? |
| 17:19.49 | jlp_znc | if she did that, then fie upon her :-/ |
| 17:19.58 | joshh | she's going to make romney's bain capital stuff look like the work of mother theresa |
| 17:20.00 | programmerq | HP was big enough that the really good folks would tend to leave on their own. people that didn't do much and kept their head down would stick around the longest. |
| 17:20.11 | programmerq | that's true on some level for any type of beaurocracy. |
| 17:20.19 | jlp_znc | yeah, I've worked for companies like that |
| 17:20.22 | levi | She pushed for the merger with Compaq, and then restructured things afterward, thus the layoffs. |
| 17:20.59 | programmerq | I had a few coworkers that were DEC->Compaq->HP folks |
| 17:21.00 | eightyeight | according to http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/17/barbara-boxer/ad-sen-barbara-boxer-attacks-carly-fiorina-layoffs/ they were taken to china |
| 17:21.35 | joshh | i don't think republicans will hold any of that against her though |
| 17:22.03 | eightyeight | heh. with 20-ish declared candidates, the primaries are going to be very entertaining, to say the least |
| 17:22.12 | eightyeight | and it would be more so, if donald trump would declare |
| 17:22.27 | joshh | yes there will be plenty of amusement and facepalming to go around |
| 17:22.31 | unum | ya that would be entertaning |
| 17:22.45 | levi | Apparently, she only rose to power at Lucent because the people at Lucent had success and riches thrust upon them without knowing much of anything about how to run a competitive business. |
| 17:22.50 | unum | I wonder what they'll consider the threshold for debates, with so many candidates not many have over 5% |
| 17:23.26 | jlp_znc | I imagine the debates will only be for those candidates "blessed" by the party leadership |
| 17:23.34 | levi | The rise and fall of Lucent pretty much tracks the trend of dial-up internet access. |
| 17:24.06 | unum | fiorna my favorite. she has never won an election and inspired a new criminal law |
| 17:24.18 | unum | she's probably running for veep |
| 17:24.25 | eightyeight | she's even a law school dropout |
| 17:24.28 | RyanE | that's the consensus at the moment |
| 17:24.33 | RyanE | (running for VP) |
| 17:24.54 | eightyeight | law gave her a "headache" |
| 17:25.05 | joshh | doesn't matter, look how qualified palin was. they will be happy to have a businesswoman go to against hillary |
| 17:25.55 | eightyeight | "My time here was mostly distinguished by the fact that studying law gave me blinding headaches every single day, and so after four months I left." - http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/ucla04.html |
| 17:26.01 | levi | They happened to make a widget that was a key component in build-out of dial-up infrastructure. They didn't have to invent much, didn't have to pay much attention to finances, they basically had to churn out the same product faster. |
| 17:26.49 | levi | Somehow, they figured that their success in that environment made them business experts, despite the fact that their multi-billion dollar company vanished overnight when alternatives to dial-up appeared. |
| 17:27.56 | eightyeight | on an unrelated note, while shopping for lighting fixtures at Lowe's, i noticed how cheap LED bulbs have become |
| 17:28.31 | eightyeight | i went home, threw up a spreadsheet, and have discovered that LEDs are cheaper than CFLs over the lifetime of a sigle LED bulb (est. at 25k hours) |
| 17:28.40 | eightyeight | i'm excited at that prospect |
| 17:28.42 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:29.18 | levi | Of course, their masterful grasp of business earned them all golden parachutes and the respect of the business community. Which makes little sense, if you think about it, but apparently making a lot of money really is the only metric that's respected. :P |
| 17:29.27 | fozzmoo | I've beem buying LED bulbs at Costco for the last couple of years. |
| 17:29.51 | eightyeight | i'll be getting LEDs from here on out now, as my CFLs die off |
| 17:29.53 | fozzmoo | I never got on the CFL bandwagon because I hate the light they emit (and the mercury) |
| 17:30.12 | eightyeight | yeah. the flicker is frustrating, although i didn't mind the mercury so bad |
| 17:30.21 | eightyeight | their slow "power on" is obnoxious though |
| 17:30.25 | fozzmoo | The 60W equivalents at Costco are pretty dang cheap. Like $5 or $6/ea |
| 17:30.32 | eightyeight | yup |
| 17:30.41 | asoc | I keep changing the CFLs in my house since the previous owners seemed to love them |
| 17:30.58 | asoc | when I put in an LED It is refreshing to see that I do in fact have light |
| 17:31.10 | levi | I have some fixtures that *eat* bulbs. The CFLs last about as long as you'd expect an incandescent bulb to last. Maybe LEDs would actually have some real longevity. |
| 17:31.44 | fozzmoo | I've heard a lot of people say that CFLs just don't live up to their hyped lifespans. |
| 17:31.56 | fozzmoo | And then there's the issue of warm-up time. |
| 17:32.15 | fozzmoo | Who wants to wait 5 minutes for full-brightness? |
| 17:32.25 | levi | Some of mine warm up a lot faster than others. Not really sure how to tell in advance which ones those are, though. |
| 17:35.03 | levi | The real reason for Fiorina's career: "In 1985, she married AT&T executive Frank Fiorina." She had joined AT&T in 1980 as a management trainee, and in 1995 she was assigned to lead corporate operations for Lucent when it was spun-off from AT&T. |
| 17:36.09 | levi | Nepotism at its finest! |
| 17:36.39 | fozzmoo | She still has a lot more executive experience than BO did in 2008. |
| 17:36.58 | fozzmoo | Other than that, I don't really know anything about her. |
| 17:37.07 | RyanE | I'd trust her more than Hilary. |
| 17:37.16 | fozzmoo | I've seen a lot of people trashing her for running HP/Compaq into the ground |
| 17:37.22 | RyanE | fozzmoo: Are the Costco bulbs dimmable? |
| 17:37.30 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Yes. |
| 17:37.40 | RyanE | I'm thinking of making the LED switch, everything in my house is dimmable. |
| 17:37.49 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Of course they are! |
| 17:37.51 | RyanE | which of course means I almost never replace bulbs, unless I want to switch. |
| 17:37.56 | RyanE | cool. |
| 17:37.57 | levi | My coworkers worked for Lucent, and trash her for running *that* into the ground. |
| 17:38.07 | eightyeight | from my experience, switching on/off frequently shortens the life of the CFL |
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| 17:38.21 | eightyeight | but i have found CFLs to be about 5-6x more durable than incandescents |
| 17:38.50 | RyanE | eightyeight: Soft start on dimmers pretty much eliminates burned out incandescents. I don't remember the last time I replaced one, and I have a *lot*. |
| 17:38.59 | RyanE | Only CFLs I've used burned out in under a year, |
| 17:39.08 | RyanE | I assume it's becasue they were installed ballast-up, and weren't designed for it. |
| 17:39.24 | levi | So she's got a track record of running corporations into the ground. |
| 17:39.30 | eightyeight | i've only seen discoloration with ballast-up |
| 17:39.40 | eightyeight | i haven't seen shoretened lifespan up or down |
| 17:39.48 | fozzmoo | I can only imagine most C4 employees would require dimmability. |
| 17:40.21 | RyanE | yep |
| 17:40.48 | eightyeight | i'm thoroughly excited for LEDs though. i had no idea they had gotten as cheap as they have |
| 17:41.03 | fozzmoo | BTW: If you haven't purchased tickets to Openwest, better get them FAST. |
| 17:41.08 | eightyeight | the warmup and flicker are my two largest gripes against CFLs |
| 17:41.11 | fozzmoo | We're going to sell out TODAY. |
| 17:41.15 | RyanE | fozzmoo: done and done. |
| 17:41.27 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: I don't like how they suck all the creativity out of a room. |
| 17:41.53 | levi | One of these years, I'll go to OpenWest. But this is not the year. :( |
| 17:41.58 | fozzmoo | I don't know if the creativity suckage has been documented, though. |
| 17:42.03 | eightyeight | but warmup and flicker as a common problem with flourescent in general, compact or not |
| 17:43.09 | eightyeight | as a speaker, i guess i should register |
| 17:44.24 | unum | ya I was excited when I saw LED bulbs at the hardware store |
| 17:44.24 | levi | One of these years, I'll speak at OpenWest too. |
| 17:45.02 | fozzmoo | levi: I hope you can make it next year. |
| 17:45.21 | fozzmoo | levi: We're streaming the keynotes live on Youtube this year, so you can at least participate in those remotely. |
| 17:45.27 | levi | Nice. |
| 17:46.08 | fozzmoo | Everything else will get uploaded... you know, as my sanity allows. |
| 17:46.12 | unum | fozzmoo: you didn't hear about her hiring someone to call up the phone companies and illegally obtain the phone records of the board memember and their children |
| 17:46.17 | unum | that's why she got fired |
| 17:46.30 | fozzmoo | unum: Nope. I don't really know much about her. |
| 17:46.32 | levi | I need to work on editing/focus in my presentations. I tend to do a ton of research, then try to incorporate too much into the presentation. |
| 17:48.42 | fozzmoo | unum: The charts that compare her to other GOP hopefuls suggest she's moderate compared to, say, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Rand Paul (my fave so far.) |
| 17:49.30 | unum | maybe I'm confusing her with patrica dunn |
| 17:49.45 | fozzmoo | Rand Paul has the distinction of being both more conservative and more liberal than just about everyone else in the GOP field. :) |
| 17:50.15 | fozzmoo | Thanks to his libertarian leanings, no doubt. |
| 17:53.45 | RyanE | fozzmoo: Seriously, $5 for 3 60W-equivalent LED bulbs? Stuff *has* come down. |
| 17:54.17 | fozzmoo | I think it was like $15 for 3. |
| 17:54.22 | fozzmoo | But I haven't really checked. |
| 17:54.37 | fozzmoo | But yeah, it's been on a nice slow decline in the last couple of years that I've been buying them. |
| 17:54.48 | RyanE | The RMP ones (funny shaped Philips ones) are $5/3. |
| 17:54.55 | RyanE | i.e. the ones RMP is subsidizing. |
| 17:55.17 | RyanE | Most of my bulbs are can lights, so these wouldn't work for that, but still... $5/3, how can you not buy them? :) |
| 17:55.35 | RyanE | http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-SlimStyle-60W-Equivalent-Soft-White-2700K-A19-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-3-Pack-453530/205344425 |
| 17:55.50 | RyanE | and same bulbs, I assume at some Costcos for same price. |
| 17:57.40 | RyanE | ok, not the same bulbs, but the same pricing. |
| 17:57.53 | RyanE | at select Costcos |
| 18:03.03 | jlp_znc | I prefer 75W equivalent bulbs, and they are still too expensive. the latest "incandescent" bulbs, however, are actually halogen bulbs inside a glass "bulb". |
| 18:03.15 | jlp_znc | hmmm, how many times can you say bulb in a sentence? |
| 18:04.46 | RyanE | I'd rather do 75W for the can lights as well, since I don't think there's such a thing as too bright, if you've got dimmers. |
| 18:05.34 | romanovic | heh. I think comcast has had more internet customers than cable for a while. http://www.ksl.com/?sid=34502947&nid=1012&title=comcast-now-has-more-internet-than-cable-customers |
| 18:06.02 | romanovic | they've just been inflating their numbers for years by making internet/cable packages cheaper than internet alone |
| 18:06.05 | bregalad | watts mean nothing to me |
| 18:06.20 | bregalad | I've recalibrated my light fixture knowledge in terms of lumens |
| 18:06.56 | RyanE | Watt-Equivalent... :) |
| 18:07.10 | RyanE | but yeah, lumens is what we're after here... :) |
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| 18:34.59 | jlp_znc | so, what's the conversion factor for incandescent watt equivalents to lumens? |
| 18:35.23 | RyanE | 60W is about 800 lumens. |
| 18:35.28 | RyanE | (incandescent) |
| 18:35.35 | jlp_znc | is it linear? |
| 18:35.39 | RyanE | 100W is about 1500 lumens. |
| 18:35.47 | RyanE | not exactly. |
| 18:35.52 | jlp_znc | http://www.clarkhoward.com/lightbulbs-watt-to-lumen-conversion-chart |
| 18:37.13 | jlp_znc | http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/light/how-watt-to-lumen.htm |
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| 18:37.49 | jlp_znc | includes luminous efficacy (lumens/watt) table |
| 18:39.52 | jlp_znc | looks like low pressure sodium vapor wins! except for the startup time and painfully yellow light. |
| 18:40.35 | jlp_znc | high pressure sodium is pretty good, but also suffers from slow start up and a required "offline" period (don't try turning them off and then right back on immediately) |
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| 18:43.23 | Tod-Work | Are 4K projectors a thing yet? Or still too new? |
| 18:44.05 | Tod-Work | seems too new. $20k is a bit out of the budget =cP |
| 18:44.26 | jlp_znc | http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A172282%2Ck%3A4k%20projector JVC 4k home projector DLAX500$ $4k |
| 18:45.00 | jlp_znc | here, let me send you a link with my amazon code attached :-) |
| 18:46.17 | Tod-Work | xD |
| 18:47.56 | bregalad | stupid amazon urls |
| 18:48.09 | jlp_znc | http://amzn.to/1bsHcTr |
| 19:05.43 | d3c4f | http://imgur.com/a/8x8Dn |
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