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| 04:10.26 | levi | RyanE: Indeed, it was an agile sprint thing in which we showed that the thing we've been working on for the last couple of months actually does what it's supposed to. |
| 04:28.34 | RyanE | that's always satisfying. |
| 04:28.49 | levi | Indeed. |
| 04:29.09 | RyanE | better than a death march where everyone knows a failure is imminent... :) |
| 04:30.08 | levi | I've had some grueling marches, but success to some degree was always achieved. |
| 04:31.08 | RyanE | I've had one astounding failure, but that was about 20 years ago. |
| 04:31.57 | levi | Tony Hoare's Turing Award lecture starts with him recounting his massive failure. |
| 04:32.24 | levi | It's actually a pretty good read. |
| 04:32.42 | RyanE | I still have the letter from the client. |
| 04:32.52 | RyanE | back in my consulting days. |
| 04:33.58 | levi | I guess some of my early paid MUD programming was a bit less successful than hoped, but it wasn't really a failure. |
| 04:34.50 | RyanE | My massive failure can be laid at more than just my feet, but at the time, didn't feel like it. Fortunately, I'm a different person than then. |
| 04:34.59 | RyanE | perspective. |
| 04:35.42 | levi | Yeah. |
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| 04:36.33 | levi | My lack of any utter failures is owed, to a large degree, to luck in assignments almost as much as skill. ;) |
| 04:37.28 | levi | Actually, I had a bit of a massive failure in a research-type class at school. |
| 04:37.52 | levi | I was supposed to develop an inertial navigation system for a robot. |
| 04:38.35 | levi | What I had to work with was a 3-axis accelerometer and an A2D converter. |
| 04:39.06 | levi | Neither of the two were of especially high quality. |
| 04:41.41 | levi | The guidance I got from my advisor was not much more than "You'll have to double-integrate the accelerations to get position," which turned out to be a grossly oversimplified description of the problem. |
| 04:45.19 | TodPunk | I think all my projects have been successful in doing what they're supposed to, and all but one company I've worked for has gone under since I handed it off. I'm not sure what that says about me. |
| 04:46.06 | TodPunk | (It's never been because my systems have failed, no.) |
| 04:47.28 | levi | The MUD that was my first paid programming job is still running: http://www.skotos.net/games/eternal-city/ |
| 04:48.04 | levi | Linux NetworX is quite dead, though. |
| 04:56.21 | levi | Hey, my name is even in the 'special thanks' section of their user manual. |
| 05:05.39 | TodPunk | mmmmmm MUDs |
| 05:06.28 | levi | This ColdMUD driver it was built on was really impressive tech for its day (I got involved in '95 or so, I think). |
| 05:07.39 | levi | It had a persistent object database, a cooperatively multi-tasking runtime, and a custom object-oriented language with a bytecode interpreter, where the programs were stored in the object database. |
| 05:09.09 | levi | Unlike MOO, which had all the MUD primitives built into the server, ColdMUD was a general purpose language and runtime with a MUD implemented in the language. Which made it really easy to add a web gateway when such things became common. |
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| 05:13.40 | levi | So, for perspective, this was around when Perl5 was released and also around the time when CPAN was created. |
| 05:17.08 | levi | And maybe a year or so after Mosaic was released. |
| 05:24.25 | levi | Fun fact: Twisted Python was invented as the foundation for a MUD server. |
| 05:27.06 | levi | TodPunk: Even earlier, there was TinyMUCK, which was based on a Forth-like language called MUF, or Multi-User Forth |
| 05:33.54 | RyanE | good times. |
| 05:34.49 | RyanE | I used to telnet into QuartzBBS's MUD back in the late '80s. |
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