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| 03:40.55 | bregalad | romanovic: that sounds awful; if I were in that situation I would be earnestly looking elsewhere for employment; there's nothing that will kill your spirit like an overbearing corporate nanny/taskmaster |
| 03:42.35 | bregalad | with my educational background I could get almost any engineering job out there, but I chose software because it is so much more of flexible job market |
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| 14:57.29 | manithree | has vivid memories of how bleak the future looked to a kid the '70s: http://www.aei.org/publication/18-spectacularly-wrong-apocalyptic-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-the-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-2/ |
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| 15:52.11 | youtah | https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5159909,73.0625815,16z |
| 15:53.18 | eightyeight | ... and just a little bit east: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5019551,73.1268258,17z |
| 15:54.00 | youtah | lol |
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| 15:56.18 | youtah | I took screen shots for my posterity |
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| 16:12.35 | SunSparc | Good times in Pakistan :) |
| 16:31.11 | jlp_znc | manithree: I remember the 70s fairly well. I remember some of those doom and gloom predictions. I note that in the 70s, cars did not have catalytic converters, fuel injection, or electronic controled ignition. My first car was a 1976 model and it had a two barrel carb and vacuum advance points. |
| 16:31.34 | jlp_znc | the amount of polution expelled from automobile tail pipes is dramatically less than it was in the 70s. |
| 16:32.30 | jlp_znc | if we hadn't developed the new technologies for making things more efficient and cleaner, I believe we would have suffered at least some of the effects that were described in that article. good thing we are smart enough to change things when we see a problem looming. |
| 16:35.12 | SunSparc | Good point. |
| 16:36.33 | unum | the lake fires probably didn't help either :) |
| 16:46.55 | SunSparc | Are we talking about the dirty air? I heard that a lot of it currently is from forest fires in Russia. (That was probably already mentioned. :) |
| 16:48.39 | eightyeight | since the '70s, there has been a large number of bills regulating environmental and health concerns |
| 16:49.08 | fozzmoo | Maybe if Ralph Becker could just ban every fireworks display in the Salt Lake Valley the fires in Siberia would go out. |
| 16:49.27 | eightyeight | clean air act, banning lead-based paint, banning ddt, reducing CFCs, ... |
| 16:54.36 | jlp_znc | fozzmoo: LOL |
| 16:54.58 | jlp_znc | don't forget that you can't have fires in the winter time any more ... in your fireplace! |
| 16:55.37 | bregalad | wood fires create lots of toxic smoke |
| 16:56.14 | bregalad | if you absolutely have to have an open flame in your house, at least burn something that doesn't spew a lot of smoke |
| 16:56.23 | bregalad | like wood pellets or natural gas or something |
| 16:56.29 | eightyeight | http://www.familiesforcleanair.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/chart_circles.gif |
| 16:56.54 | bregalad | there's some clown in my neighborhood that burns wood in their house/backyard/whatever and you can smell it for blocks around |
| 16:57.12 | eightyeight | it's roughly 90000:1 wood burning particulate to natural gas |
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| 17:02.18 | jima | fozzmoo: becker? maybe ben mcadams. |
| 17:06.58 | fozzmoo | Ben McAdams hasn't been trying to ban fireworks. |
| 17:07.46 | jima | has becker? i don't follow slc politics (particularly since i don't live in slc proper) |
| 17:08.22 | eightyeight | becker wanted to cancel a city firework display last year |
| 17:08.39 | eightyeight | quoting air pollution and tight budgets |
| 17:09.29 | eightyeight | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865604009/Salt-Lake-mayor-proposes-canceling-fireworks-displays-for-cleaner-air.html?pg=all |
| 17:09.48 | asoc | bregalad: You can burn wood without the toxic smoke if you do it right. You just have to burn it nice and hot. |
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| 17:12.29 | bregalad | asoc: true |
| 17:13.47 | eightyeight | soft woods burn cleaner than hard woods also |
| 17:14.27 | eightyeight | http://www.mastersweep.com/wood.htm |
| 17:17.35 | bregalad | but still, I would expect those to be details to inform your consideration when you're in the wilderness or some other circumstance of unusual duress, not planted in the midst of (sub)urban tranquility with practically unlimited technological resources to get you light and heat in far, far cleaner ways |
| 17:18.05 | bregalad | cleaner and more efficient |
| 17:18.15 | eightyeight | cheaper too |
| 17:26.33 | youtah | I am really impressed with Mac's keychain Access app |
| 17:34.04 | fozzmoo | ~lart youtah |
| 17:34.04 | infobot | plops youtah into a giant vat of herring |
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| 19:14.05 | jlp_znc | apparently, fozzmoo is not similarly impressed. |
| 19:28.02 | unum | they did cancel the 3ve fireworks |
| 19:28.22 | unum | the year before we rented a room at the Marriot and watched them go off right in front of us |
| 19:35.27 | jlp_znc | http://www.twogag.com/archives/3307 |
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| 20:19.19 | youtah | I just ripped into a ksl reporter on twitter for a misleading headline |
| 20:19.30 | youtah | She said that the super volcano is getting "bigger" |
| 20:19.41 | youtah | and then states that it is not expanding or getting bigger in the article |
| 20:19.42 | jlp_znc | "the" super volcano |
| 20:20.02 | jlp_znc | she must have meant that it's getting bigger in the media |
| 20:20.08 | jlp_znc | like, more people are paying attention to it |
| 20:20.13 | jlp_znc | yeah, I'm sure that was it. |
| 20:20.33 | youtah | "Yellowstone supervolcano keeps getting bigger, new U. study finds" was the headline |
| 20:21.07 | youtah | The magma chamber and reservoir are not getting any bigger than they have been, its just that we can see them better now using new techniques. is the quote |
| 20:22.18 | bregalad | youtah is captain literal for today |
| 20:22.19 | jlp_znc | so it *was* bigger, it's not *getting* bigger. |
| 20:22.47 | youtah | ^ |
| 20:22.48 | youtah | Yes |
| 20:24.04 | jlp_znc | I like how the grand canyon is now a unit of volume |
| 20:24.09 | youtah | ROFL |
| 20:24.23 | youtah | That's a lot of jose's... which is even more bananas |
| 20:24.28 | jlp_znc | how much gas can you put in your car? oh, about 2 pico grand canyons |
| 20:24.29 | youtah | (reddit/imgur reference) |
| 20:31.14 | Q_Continuum | lol |
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| 20:32.43 | Q_Continuum | proper titlte would've been "Yellowstone supervolcano's size miscalculated, bigger than previously thought, new U. study finds" |
| 20:32.47 | Q_Continuum | title, even |
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| 20:40.41 | manithree | jlp_znc: Exactly which legislation has saved us from running out of fossil fuels (we use way more now than in the 1970's) and saved us from the ice age? |
| 20:40.55 | RyanE | and from running out of food? |
| 20:41.07 | eightyeight | just as long as i don't run out of bits |
| 20:41.13 | eightyeight | i hate recycling those things |
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| 20:41.34 | RyanE | I run on 100% recycled electrons. |
| 20:42.05 | bregalad | the universe itself is likely recycled |
| 20:42.25 | bregalad | invokes the strong anthropic principle |
| 20:42.30 | eightyeight | RyanE: that's bad for the internet |
| 20:44.18 | RyanE | not as bad as breaking out a new pack of electrons every time you need some. They're impossible to get out of the blister pack. |
| 20:49.07 | jlp_znc | manithree: the legislation that allowed fracking? that allowed drilling in new places? that allowed invading Iraq to save Kuwait? |
| 20:49.56 | jlp_znc | that, and the fact that gas costs about four times what it did in the 70s, so we actually care how much we are burning and choose to buy new cars that get > 20 MPG instead of < 10? |
| 20:51.02 | RyanE | None of those things offset enough to have made the prediction 'back in the day' be truthful. (IMHO) |
| 20:51.26 | RyanE | Not saying we won't run out of a finite source at some point, but picking a particular date... that's a whole lot harder. |
| 20:51.33 | RyanE | s/source/resource/ |
| 20:51.41 | jlp_znc | haven't you seen the "end is near" guy on the street corner? |
| 20:51.55 | jlp_znc | if the end wasn't near, people wouldn't repent, he's thinking. |
| 20:55.21 | RyanE | not lately. The weather is too nice. I think he went for a hike. |
| 20:55.39 | RyanE | It's difficult to feel apocalyptic on a nice day. |
| 21:00.53 | Q_Continuum | UNTIL YOU WATCH THE NUKE DETONATE 50 MILES UP |
| 21:01.37 | jlp_znc | well, you only get to watch it once. |
| 21:02.23 | SunSparc | Unless you are in a fridge with a leaded window. |
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| 21:15.20 | RyanE | SunSparc: you been watching Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls again? :) |
| 21:15.33 | SunSparc | Haha, exactly. |
| 21:16.31 | SunSparc | Speaking of that movie, I saw the SG-1 episode that the Crystal Skulls were based off of. Cool episode. |
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| 21:39.35 | jlp_znc | well, youtah, I broke down and ordered a new charger for my radios. |
| 21:39.58 | jlp_znc | should have it in a week or so. $33 from PacParts. |
| 21:47.19 | youtah | Woo Hoo! |
| 21:47.23 | levi | Pretty sure SG-1 didn't come up with crystal skulls: http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/archaeology/crystal-skulls/ |
| 21:47.32 | youtah | My new charger for my brand new Baofeng is in the mail from china |
| 21:47.49 | youtah | It broke on the 3rd time charging my new baofeng |
| 21:48.11 | youtah | mumbles "cheap radios are cheap" |
| 21:48.47 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 21:55.51 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
| 21:55.52 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
| 21:56.02 | jlp_znc | ~moss |
| 21:56.02 | infobot | I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style. |
| 21:56.07 | jlp_znc | ~roy |
| 21:56.07 | infobot | I am a man, he's a man, we're men! |
| 21:56.16 | SunSparc | Pretty much my favorite animal. |
| 21:56.23 | jlp_znc | the liger? |
| 21:56.27 | jlp_znc | what about the tigon? |
| 21:56.27 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 21:56.38 | bregalad | ~sneefert |
| 21:56.44 | eightyeight | ~linux |
| 21:56.44 | infobot | Real games for linux...Linux lacks on graphic tools too...Yeah gimp is good... |
| 21:56.45 | SunSparc | Tigons are pansies. |
| 21:57.00 | jlp_znc | compared to ligers, anyway |
| 21:57.08 | SunSparc | Right |
| 21:57.14 | jlp_znc | I still wouldn't want to run into a hungry one in a dark alley |
| 21:57.19 | bregalad | ~napoleon SunSparc |
| 21:57.19 | infobot | ACTION makes SunSparc feed Tina |
| 21:57.24 | jlp_znc | or even in a well lighted alley |
| 21:57.28 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:57.54 | SunSparc | Best games for Linux? Aside from vim or emacs, probably a good MUD. |
| 21:58.23 | bregalad | games are boring |
| 21:58.26 | bregalad | just applied math |
| 21:58.35 | SunSparc | Ok Dr Who. |
| 21:58.41 | jlp_znc | rogue |
| 21:58.58 | jlp_znc | or other rogue-like games (like nethack or omega) |
| 21:59.07 | jlp_znc | ooh, Empire! |
| 21:59.09 | SunSparc | Hey, top MUDS: http://www.topmudsites.com/ |
| 22:03.18 | SunSparc | Whoa! A MUD with a map. It has been forever since I played in a MUD: http://www.aardwolf.com/play/screenshots.htm |
| 22:13.19 | unum | my blind friend liked to play muds |
| 22:14.18 | unum | the game I play most on linux is Civ 5 |
| 22:15.14 | unum | http://store.steampowered.com/sale/steam_machines |
| 22:15.18 | unum | how did I miss that |
| 22:17.01 | SunSparc | Cool, boxen built for Steam gaming. |
| 22:18.06 | unum | Now I see they won't actually be for sale until november |
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| 22:32.01 | jlp_znc | "do you spend more, less, or about the same for Nike branded products now as you did a year ago?" the same... zero dollars per year. |
| 22:43.29 | SunSparc | heh |
| 22:56.31 | jlp_znc | anyone got a suggestion for a website template for a neighborhood watch group? |
| 22:56.58 | jlp_znc | looks pointedly in youtah's direction |
| 22:57.00 | jima | wordpress. don't apply any updates, they're all rubbish. |
| 22:57.09 | jlp_znc | um, no. |
| 22:57.29 | bregalad | all websites are rubbish |
| 22:57.32 | jlp_znc | and don't say "facebook" |
| 22:57.36 | jima | bregalad: +1 |
| 22:57.38 | jlp_znc | I don't do the "f" word |
| 22:57.44 | bregalad | lol |
| 22:58.07 | jlp_znc | ~bregalad++ |
| 22:58.31 | jlp_znc | ~score bregalad |
| 22:58.47 | jlp_znc | am I doing it wrong? |
| 22:58.56 | jlp_znc | hello, hello, infobot? are you there? |
| 22:59.07 | jlp_znc | raps on channel |
| 22:59.17 | jlp_znc | ~help score |
| 23:00.36 | bregalad | ~karma jlp_znc |
| 23:00.36 | infobot | jlp_znc has karma of 1 |
| 23:00.45 | jlp_znc | karma! |
| 23:00.50 | jlp_znc | ~karma bregalad |
| 23:00.50 | infobot | bregalad has karma of 2 |
| 23:03.50 | jlp_znc | ~karma youtah |
| 23:03.50 | infobot | youtah has karma of 5 |
| 23:03.54 | jlp_znc | ~youtah-- |
| 23:04.18 | jlp_znc | sheesh, infobot, it was me that said it 8 seconds ago! |
| 23:04.22 | jlp_znc | ~karma youtah |
| 23:04.22 | infobot | youtah has karma of 4 |
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| 23:25.11 | youtah | Ouch! I had karma taken away for no reason?!?!?!? |
| 23:25.39 | youtah | ~karma youtah |
| 23:25.39 | infobot | youtah has karma of 4 |
| 23:25.47 | RyanE | ~karma RyanE |
| 23:25.47 | infobot | ryane has karma of 1 |
| 23:25.50 | RyanE | harsh |
| 23:26.51 | romanovic | ~karma applewatch |
| 23:26.51 | infobot | applewatch has neutral karma |
| 23:26.57 | romanovic | applewatch-- |
| 23:27.01 | romanovic | ~karma applewatch |
| 23:27.01 | infobot | applewatch has neutral karma |
| 23:27.11 | romanovic | ~applewatch-- |
| 23:27.18 | romanovic | ~karma applewatch |
| 23:27.18 | infobot | applewatch has karma of -1 |
| 23:27.22 | romanovic | thank you. |
| 23:27.57 | romanovic | that's for the coworkers walking around the office wasting people's time, showing off their apple watches. |
| 23:28.27 | smcquay | romanovic: how does that make you feel? |
| 23:28.41 | smcquay | 's retirement is currently bound up in the success of the apple watch |
| 23:56.21 | shalkie | youtah: You say for no reason, but I think you know the reason. |
