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| 13:17.26 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
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| 15:14.01 | bregalad | eightyeight: have you ever seen about:memory in firefox? Seems like something you'd be interested in |
| 15:14.15 | eightyeight | I have |
| 15:14.29 | bregalad | obviously chromium's memory management is better, but still interesting |
| 15:14.46 | eightyeight | There is also about:network, or something similar |
| 15:14.57 | eightyeight | can't recall exactly |
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| 15:21.09 | Tod-Work | pro tip: don't presume a browser's memory management is "better." It's not. It's more efficient for a given use case, probably the one you care about, but definitely struggles in areas you aren't aware of or don't care about |
| 15:21.28 | Tod-Work | also: the web is dumb |
| 15:21.43 | Tod-Work | source: I'm a bitter web dev |
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| 15:25.38 | eightyeight | about:networking |
| 15:25.43 | eightyeight | ^ that's what i was thinking |
| 15:28.46 | bregalad | is assuming that Tod-Work isn't one of those coco coffee chugging, sweater sporting, energy bar eating hipstergrammers responsible for the current epic farce that is the modern web |
| 15:29.09 | Tod-Work | oh god no |
| 15:29.27 | Tod-Work | I use angular at work under duress |
| 15:29.53 | Tod-Work | I yearn for the olden days of FastCGI (seriously, we haven't learned much from our mistakes since) |
| 15:30.02 | bregalad | :-) |
| 15:30.22 | jsmith | Tod-Work: Different language, same stupid mistakes? |
| 15:30.41 | Kanerix | You can't change human nature |
| 15:30.53 | Tod-Work | jsmith, I'm a python dev by day, so WSGI is the name of the hour, and it's a step backwards in very measurable ways |
| 15:31.23 | jsmith | Tod-Work: I completely understand :-) |
| 15:31.40 | bregalad | and I completely overstand |
| 15:32.07 | bregalad | I'm not sure what that means, it's up to interpretation |
| 15:33.46 | eightyeight | bregalad: that's very underwhelming |
| 15:34.19 | bregalad | eightyeight: ultimately all word meanings are contextual |
| 15:34.46 | eightyeight | that's an overestimation |
| 15:34.51 | bregalad | :-) |
| 15:38.23 | manithree | So I'm not the only dev who is reminded of ibm 3270 terminals when I do angularjs? |
| 15:55.32 | programmerq | Tod-Work: why is wsgi a step back? step back over what? it's a decent OOP way to represent http requests and responses, which definitely has some value. |
| 15:57.11 | RyanE | I think Tod-Work just likes to have something to complain about. IMHO, we as developers have never had it so good. Lots more to learn, but a *lot* easier in other ways. |
| 15:57.25 | RyanE | and documentation literally at our fingertips. |
| 16:00.39 | Tod-Work | programmerq, this is a nice summation to start from: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2011/7/27/the-pluggable-pipedream/ |
| 16:00.41 | programmerq | what are my options for running an arm virtual machine on my x86_64 host? I know qemu has arm options, I just don't know if there's anything else out there I can compare against. |
| 16:00.46 | programmerq | reads |
| 16:01.39 | Tod-Work | programmerq, QEMU is going to be your best bet. There's some other more chip-specific things, and maybe LXC is useful here? I doubt it, but it's got a lot of new features I haven't looked at in the last year, sadly |
| 16:02.09 | programmerq | LXC won't help-- that's just containerization of processes, not virtualization/emulation. |
| 16:02.42 | Tod-Work | I think of LXC as a layer on KVM |
| 16:02.57 | programmerq | what are the other more chip-specific things? |
| 16:03.21 | Tod-Work | depends on your ship. Like I know TI has an emulator for a few of their chipsets |
| 16:03.24 | Tod-Work | *chip |
| 16:03.32 | Tod-Work | goes back to code |
| 16:03.36 | programmerq | ah, got it. |
| 16:10.44 | programmerq | Tod-Work: that's an interesting read. I don't necessarily think the problem is as big as he would like the reader to think, but I did learn something so I'm happy. |
| 16:11.06 | Tod-Work | it's more hyperbolic than my own thoughts on the subject, but yeah |
| 16:11.29 | Tod-Work | note that I said it was a step backwards, not that it was worth throwing out all computing over =cP |
| 16:11.41 | Tod-Work | I mean, I'm still using it, right now! |
| 16:12.01 | RyanE | No, I think we should just nuke it all, and start over. :) |
| 16:12.06 | Tod-Work | SCGI looks interesting to me and I might look more into that |
| 16:12.25 | Tod-Work | I'm going back to my Amiga! |
| 16:12.38 | programmerq | http://i.imgur.com/Ce8cbbG.gif |
| 16:16.26 | bregalad | what's all this CGI talk? Don't you know all the cool kids are on node, rust, golang, and using the trendy iconed JS framework du jour? |
| 16:16.40 | bregalad | s/trendy/trendily/ |
| 16:17.35 | programmerq | is learning golang |
| 16:36.47 | bregalad | programmerq: how has it been 'go'ing? :) |
| 16:39.04 | programmerq | wow, I laughed out loud at that. |
| 16:39.09 | programmerq | I hope you're happy. :) |
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| 17:32.56 | jlp_znc | http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/911294-using-un-managed-switch-instead-of-dropping-more-ethernet-lines favorite comment: "you know what's better than crawling around in a hot attic to drop your own lines? not crawling around in a hot attic to drop your own lines." |
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| 17:35.51 | jlp_znc | dang. my vision was cloudy, so I grabbed a glasses wipe off my desk to clean my glasses. After noticing how soggy it was, I realized that it was a wet-knap from the last time we had bbq, not a glasses wipe. |
| 17:36.00 | jlp_znc | now my glasses smell like lemons. |
| 18:12.09 | levi | Awesome, our Crucible server is throwing an out of space exception. Way to go, whoever manages this thing. |
| 18:17.50 | jlp_znc | that's what you get for using crucible instead of review board :-) |
| 18:18.03 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:18.15 | bregalad | I guess you guys are forging too much metal |
| 18:18.20 | levi | We were using review board, actually. |
| 18:19.05 | levi | Not really unhappy with review board, but with all the integration between various tools that Atlassian provides, and with other parts of the corporation moving to it, it seemed reasonable to try it out. |
| 18:19.27 | jlp_znc | atlassian makes some good tools, that is true. |
| 18:19.42 | levi | Would probably be happier with the Atlassian stuff it was administered competently. |
| 18:20.38 | jlp_znc | well, there is that. |
| 18:21.53 | eightyeight | competency is overrated |
| 18:22.15 | jlp_znc | overrating things is competent. |
| 18:22.19 | bregalad | competency is irrated |
| 18:22.30 | bregalad | incompetency is underrated |
| 18:22.40 | jlp_znc | incompetency should be irradiated |
| 18:23.05 | eightyeight | irregardless is incompetent |
| 18:23.25 | bregalad | irritated complacence |
| 18:24.00 | eightyeight | where is sjansen when i need him? |
| 18:24.54 | eightyeight | i have buttons of his to push |
| 18:25.08 | jlp_znc | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:25.08 | infobot | squishes sjansen like a bug |
| 18:25.21 | eightyeight | infobot pushed too hard |
| 18:25.25 | jlp_znc | whoops |
| 18:25.32 | jlp_znc | ~worf |
| 18:25.33 | infobot | I did not faint. Klingons do not faint. |
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| 18:26.21 | eightyeight | trying to import a mysql db dump. getting the following error. any ideas? |
| 18:26.23 | eightyeight | ERROR 1556 (HY000) at line 196: You can't use locks with log tables. |
| 18:26.38 | jlp_znc | maybe don't use locks with log tables? |
| 18:26.59 | eightyeight | # gzip -cd /path/to/dump.sql.gz | mysql --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf < /dev/stdin |
| 18:27.54 | jlp_znc | can you confirm that you have exclusive access to the db? |
| 18:28.13 | jlp_znc | if so, strip the LOCK TABLES statement(s) from the dump file before restoring. |
| 18:29.13 | eightyeight | hmm |
| 18:29.33 | eightyeight | i'd prefer not to have it in the dump to begin with. seems to be the mysql.general_log table |
| 18:29.39 | eightyeight | looks at the my.cnf(5) |
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| 18:32.14 | jlp_znc | can you reproduce the dump with --lock-tables=0 ? |
| 18:32.47 | eightyeight | yes. or with --single-transaction |
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| 18:47.15 | levi | So, we moved to our current location not too long ago. We've got a computer room with raised floors and such; it's currently just got racks of our audio gear used for testing of control protocols and such. |
| 18:47.43 | jsmith | levi: Congrats? |
| 18:48.02 | levi | We wanted to install our own server in it; we got it in there and one of my coworkers, who is very thorough about things, checked the voltage of the wiring to ensure he got the right cables and such. |
| 18:48.36 | levi | Turns out that the whole room, including gigantic UPS system, was *wired incorrectly* in a dangerous way. |
| 18:48.43 | jsmith | pops a bag of popcorn and watches the drama unfold |
| 18:48.44 | jima | \o/ |
| 18:49.04 | jsmith | levi: Electrical plumbing is hard... |
| 18:49.13 | jlp_znc | gak |
| 18:49.20 | levi | I believe it was 3-phase 220V coming in, and they did something screwy to get a poor approximation of 120V single phase. |
| 18:49.49 | bregalad | ugh |
| 18:49.57 | jlp_znc | so get the electrician who wired the place to come back and fix it |
| 18:50.04 | levi | So our facilities guy was pretty grateful we discovered that, as it could potentially have killed him. |
| 18:50.05 | jsmith | levi: And yet, your audio gear is working just fine :-) |
| 18:50.33 | levi | jsmith: Well, 'fine' enough to support running the network protocols. :) |
| 18:50.52 | levi | It was ~90V or something. Probably did not make the power supplies happy. |
| 18:51.56 | levi | Anyway, we got the electrician out there to fix it, and then installed the server. Then we discovered that the network ports we were supposed to use weren't wired from the computer room to the adjacent room with the punch-down racks. |
| 18:52.44 | levi | Something like 3 months later, the server is *finally* on the network. Now I have to get services moved over to it. |
| 18:53.32 | levi | We were going to use an IT-managed virtual machine, but the only Linux option they gave us was a fully-supported version of RHEL for some ridiculous yearly fee. |
| 18:54.08 | levi | I think we truly do have an "office for the prevention of IT services" |
| 18:54.25 | jlp_znc | sheesh |
| 18:57.31 | levi | The bright side is that although they have some fairly restrictive policies about things, they have allowed my department (due to our particular development needs) to have a somewhat less restrictive firewall policy and what's left is easy enough to work around when necessary. |
| 18:59.00 | levi | It's kind of funny; the guy sitting next to me is currently on a conference call with an IEEE 802.1 working group regarding managed network briding standard protocols. |
| 19:01.12 | levi | Oh; a related rant-- WTF is up with these Cisco IP phones not supporting standard network management protocols?! |
| 19:02.36 | levi | We get amazingly terrible VOIP service. I had a conference call with China last night that I took at home instead of at work as I did for the previous one. I did the call-in from my computer via Google Voice at home, and it sounded so much better than the work VOIP line. |
| 19:03.16 | jsmith | levi: You should hire me to come fix your VoIP stuff, and pay me in audio gear :-) |
| 19:04.46 | levi | Heh. We tried to help, and we were able to give the local guys some networking advice, but apparently there was just not sufficient diagnostic stuff built into these things. They eventually got us tolerable service. |
| 19:06.04 | levi | I think some of the problem is cheaping out on the uplink bandwidth to the corporate backbone network. |
| 19:07.13 | levi | Lots of infuriating "cheaping out" decisions like that. |
| 19:24.02 | jlp_znc | yeah, I hate that kind of thing. "hey, let's just have a couple of gateways to the internet at our main offices in <west coast> and <east coast> and then just have each office VPN into the main for their internet access. it will be much easeier to manage. oh, and they don't really need any bandwidth at the remote offices so we'll just get some cheap DSL there or something." |
| 19:26.19 | programmerq | at HP, we had a decently fast link at our remote office. it did get routed through main offices for internet |
| 19:26.26 | programmerq | at the big locations though, they would throttle per connection |
| 19:27.02 | programmerq | so if I was at a big location, and wanted to copy a file from my desktop at the remote office, it'd be super slow unless I used multiple connections (like through aria2 or whatever) |
| 19:27.27 | programmerq | same with trying to download something from the internet-- aria2 was the way to go. |
| 19:27.49 | jlp_znc | misguided policies like that annoy me. |
| 19:30.34 | programmerq | the docker office has pretty quick internet. over the wifi there, I saw something like .5 gigabit down |
| 19:30.37 | programmerq | I don't remember for sure |
| 19:30.48 | programmerq | (802.11ac wifi) |
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| 19:41.59 | jlp_znc | http://www.twogag.com/archives/3364 |
| 19:51.12 | levi | Heh. |
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| 20:38.26 | romanovic | anyone here attend the Utah Java UG, or know if they have a presence on irc? |
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| 20:43.14 | Tod-Work | romanovic, I've never got an answer to that question before |
| 20:44.45 | romanovic | subscribed to their mailing list during my java development days several years ago. Still active, but I never interact with them online |
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| 20:46.10 | romanovic | there are .NET and Java user groups in Utah, and for some reason both communities seem a little isolated |
| 20:47.59 | romanovic | it's sad. I now attend the .NET UG in South Jordan because it is hosted in my building. Attendance is fairly small, 5 - 15 people seems average |
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| 21:03.11 | SunSparc | mindjuju: Here is another fun dubstep track: http://www.tradiio.com/ibenji/ibenji-mothra-drop-the-bomb |
| 21:04.42 | SunSparc | romanovic: If you need a good .Net or Java recovery support group, you can join the UtahGophers. ;) |
| 21:05.30 | romanovic | SunSparc: awesome! |
| 21:05.43 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:05.56 | romanovic | and they're even on irc, bless them. |
| 21:06.02 | romanovic | well, a few anyway. |
| 21:06.05 | SunSparc | Haha, yes we are. |
| 21:06.45 | romanovic | I'm not just looking for new groups to attend, my employer is asking for details on all Utah user groups |
| 21:06.52 | romanovic | looking to sponsor future events or something. |
| 21:07.04 | SunSparc | Ah. Hmm... |
| 21:07.47 | SunSparc | mindjuju could be a good one to ask about all Utah User groups. |
| 21:08.54 | SunSparc | Here are some of the groups: http://www.utos.org/community/ |
| 21:15.40 | levi | romanovic: I wonder why the .NET group isn't attended well. It's got to be widely *used*. |
| 21:15.41 | romanovic | I try to get people at work on IRC. somehow we're still at the "what's an irc" stage |
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| 21:17.39 | romanovic | levi: i agree .NET developers and developers participating in the Open Source UGs in Utah don't overlap much... |
| 21:17.51 | SunSparc | I have met so many developers who have no idea what user groups or IRC are. I try to tell them they are missing out, but for some reason it just does not sink in. |
| 21:18.33 | romanovic | but there are probably hundreds of .NET developers within one square mile of where I'm sitting right now. Lots of enterprise-scale software using .NET being developed down here in South Jordan |
| 21:19.59 | romanovic | if I weren't working in a .NET shop, I could probably be found only at the Utah JS and Python meetups |
| 21:20.16 | SunSparc | Could it be that the average developer is not socially comfortable enough to participate in user groups? |
| 21:21.22 | romanovic | That's what sponsors are for! Code + free food outweighs social anxiety right? |
| 21:22.23 | jlp_znc | right! |
| 21:22.25 | SunSparc | For some, apparently. :) |
| 21:23.11 | SunSparc | Of course, I do not always attend meetings for reasons of family and other obligations/responsibilities that conflict. |
| 21:23.57 | SunSparc | But I do enjoy the socialization, learning, and food that usually attend a UG meeting. |
| 21:27.52 | SunSparc | Ah, found the message from mindjuju that had the list of codes/usergroups in Utah: http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/2015-April/033740.html |
| 21:28.02 | SunSparc | romanovic: Scroll to the bottom |
| 21:28.33 | SunSparc | Epic list. :) |
| 21:33.21 | romanovic | nice |
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| 21:37.48 | Tod-Work | levi, romanovic, .NET is not a community. Neither is Java, really, but Java requires more immersion in the Enterprise side (which is most of their jobs) and appeals to the *nix crowds. |
| 21:38.28 | Tod-Work | Everyone I know that works with Mono either loves it or hates it, so that's not a good rallying point I think |
| 21:39.56 | Tod-Work | wishes more of the open sourcing of .NET would get going |
| 21:40.19 | Tod-Work | of course, they killed XNA, so there's a lot of enthusiastic folks gone |
| 21:41.08 | Tod-Work | a tough situation. I really like the MVC 3 and 5 stacks I've worked with. Wish there WAS more of a community there |
| 21:41.15 | romanovic | I agree the two worlds don't really lend themselves to community groups, being under the dominion of MS and Oracle |
| 21:41.37 | Tod-Work | oh, and XAML dev is fantastic for GUI dev |
| 21:41.46 | Tod-Work | so much love there |
| 21:41.50 | romanovic | and enterprise software folks seem to default to "lock down and patent everything" |
| 21:41.58 | Tod-Work | mhmm |
| 21:42.23 | SunSparc | Can't we all just get along... and use vim? |
| 21:42.33 | Tod-Work | and their workers tend more to be work-at-work folks as opposed to "I coded this FactoryManagerSingletonInterface this weekend, it was the bomb diggety!" |
| 21:43.03 | Tod-Work | Except EnterpriseFizzBuzz. That's a labor of love. |
| 21:43.09 | SunSparc | Yeah, the love of programming does not extend to all who program. |
| 21:44.32 | romanovic | we were recently told we shouldn't use github gists or any code snippet service among each other at work. even if we are passing around dummy example code as a proof of concept |
| 21:45.10 | romanovic | because any code that was typed out on our work keyboards is immediately proprietary and its just safer not to expose it anywhere at all |
| 21:46.12 | SunSparc | lame |
| 21:46.19 | romanovic | is really tired of these asinine requirements. this is why he can't have nice things at work. |
| 21:46.51 | SunSparc | Yup. Fear and greed kill progress. |
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