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| 06:56.29 | keldwud | yeah I think I've been using synergy for at least 4 |
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| 15:21.07 | ocuza | cany anyone answer some questions about LDS? |
| 15:58.30 | keldwud | dude, it's great for expanding your mind |
| 15:58.32 | keldwud | seriously |
| 15:58.40 | ocuza | lol |
| 15:58.41 | keldwud | I highly recommend it |
| 15:58.43 | keldwud | ;) |
| 15:59.15 | keldwud | are they questions that google and wikipedia can't answer? |
| 15:59.21 | ocuza | yes |
| 15:59.24 | keldwud | there are lots of articles about magic underwear |
| 15:59.31 | keldwud | and even a few about temple rights |
| 15:59.35 | keldwud | and baptisms for the dead |
| 15:59.42 | ocuza | questions stemming from latest decry about same sex marriage in the semiannual LDS conference |
| 15:59.49 | keldwud | what's your question? I'm not a member but I grew up in the church |
| 15:59.53 | keldwud | oh |
| 15:59.58 | keldwud | no clue |
| 16:00.01 | keldwud | but I have a theory |
| 16:00.08 | keldwud | that I've had for the last decade |
| 16:00.46 | ocuza | my question is why is a church that 150 years ago was involved in a battle for its own rights to get married the way they want to is no involved in a battle to prevent others from marrying the way they want to. |
| 16:00.56 | keldwud | the mormon church is "progressive" compared to other major world religions and is "quicker" (relatively) to adapt to modern norms |
| 16:00.57 | ocuza | is now* |
| 16:01.06 | keldwud | so they will eventually get with the times |
| 16:01.15 | keldwud | they err on the side of cautions |
| 16:01.21 | keldwud | on the conservative side |
| 16:01.47 | ocuza | its pretty weird considering that 150 years ago this religion said that marriage was NOT only between one man and one woman. |
| 16:01.51 | keldwud | but in order to keep morale up, once things swing too far in one direction, they change their stance |
| 16:02.02 | keldwud | yeah, it's pretty crazy |
| 16:02.26 | keldwud | churches say whatever they need to in order to keep their core constituents happy and "comfortable" |
| 16:02.36 | keldwud | comfortable usually means enabling some form of xenophobia |
| 16:03.04 | keldwud | now these are just my opinions as an outsider who lives in Utah and grew up in the church |
| 16:03.18 | keldwud | there are others who might feel differently than I do |
| 16:03.43 | keldwud | gotta go play catan with the daughter :) |
| 16:04.40 | ocuza | I did here that some audience members shouted in unprecedented act of protest against this decision explaining that the church prevents them from expressing their opinions. |
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| 16:05.26 | ocuza | hear* |
| 16:07.30 | keldwud | yeah I've been seeing headlines and hearing from active members that there is a shake-up going on in the church |
| 16:08.04 | keldwud | I'm mostly just exposed to ex mormons, people who have reached a decision where they no longer believe |
| 16:15.22 | ocuza | keldwud, arent they worried that they'll piss people off? |
| 16:15.31 | ocuza | that could be disasterous for the church |
| 16:18.05 | ocuza | Outsiders primarily but also a lot of their own followers. |
| 16:20.00 | ocuza | interestingly enough there was a research published today by Pew showing how more and more people become atheists |
| 16:20.36 | ocuza | christians primarily in western countries |
| 16:21.03 | ocuza | i saw it earlier |
| 16:21.25 | ocuza | it made some predictions |
| 16:22.32 | keldwud | I believe it |
| 16:22.39 | keldwud | anecdotally I can absolutely back that up |
| 16:22.57 | keldwud | but out here people are "in the closet" about becoming non-believers |
| 16:23.20 | keldwud | it would be easier to come out as being gay than it would be to come out as a non-believer |
| 16:23.31 | keldwud | there's that much animosity against it |
| 16:30.22 | ocuza | it certainly doesnt help |
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