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| 14:24.57 | T4rku5 | pashdown, good job on RFH. |
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| 14:45.59 | pashdown | thank you |
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| 15:57.44 | eightyeight | stupid "flat-earthers" http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/25/3638622/ted-cruz-is-like-galileo/ |
| 16:05.07 | shalkie | hah! I wonder how he feels about a geocentric view of the universe. |
| 16:07.41 | fozzmoo | I'm right there with Cruz on this one. |
| 16:08.06 | fozzmoo | But I love watching the progressives flail their arms at everything he says. |
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| 16:23.46 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: you don't believe in science also? |
| 16:25.18 | romanovic | ~esqueleto |
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| 16:29.29 | rsimpkins | Wow. If Cruz said that - he just earned exactly -123 points of respect from me. |
| 16:29.50 | rsimpkins | IF he said that. There is often a case of misquoted people that sends the Internet in to a tizzy. |
| 16:30.18 | eightyeight | he's going to make this election cycle entertaining. more so than clinton and her privacy issues. |
| 16:31.06 | eightyeight | of course, the clintons never fail to disappoint |
| 16:31.20 | rsimpkins | We will get exactly what we deserve, and no less. |
| 16:32.00 | neybar_work | the sad thing is that people are going to go ape nuts over a comment on climate change (because how dare someone not believe the pseudo-science and political grand standing around that issue), but not say a word about the blatant security leak that clinton couldn't give two craps about. |
| 16:32.03 | fungus | His analogy of flat-earthers is totally wrong. |
| 16:32.20 | rsimpkins | neybar_work: That's not a sad thing. That's a human thing. |
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| 16:33.09 | fungus | The belief that the earth was flat was not "accepted scientific wisdom". There was no evidence or science that proved the earth was flat. It was a simple social belief, propagated by the church. Not science! |
| 16:33.11 | neybar_work | indeed, but still. |
| 16:33.41 | eightyeight | fungus: there were tribal societies and aboriginal cultures that held the view of a flat earth |
| 16:34.06 | eightyeight | but yeah, aiui, most civilzations had moved beyond that held view scientifically before the birth of jesus |
| 16:34.07 | fungus | Right, but that's not "scientific wisdom". |
| 16:34.08 | rsimpkins | neybar_work: I will agree that both are bad. One is dumb. One is dangerous. And yes, we should be more concerned about the dangerous one... But that doesn't mean the dumb one earns any respect. |
| 16:34.18 | eightyeight | started with the greeks, iirc |
| 16:34.32 | fungus | exactly |
| 16:34.36 | eightyeight | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth |
| 16:34.47 | eightyeight | "The paradigm of a spherical Earth appeared in Greek philosophy with Pythagoras (6th century BC)" |
| 16:34.55 | neybar_work | but hey, I'm sure some movie star will do something totally awesome any minute now. Squirrel! |
| 16:35.43 | rsimpkins | neybar_work: We measure the Internet. You have no idea how true that is! :) |
| 16:36.17 | rsimpkins | interest in politics --> <-- interest in latest kardashian tweet --> <-- |
| 16:36.41 | RyanE | interest in cat videos --> <-- |
| 16:36.48 | rsimpkins | Pretty much. |
| 16:37.22 | eightyeight | <3 /r/EyeBleach |
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| 16:44.39 | romanovic | I think Cruz is way off base, but if his comparison has any validity, it has little to do with whose viewpoint is backed up by scientific fact. |
| 16:44.55 | romanovic | More to do with who can sway the public and discredit an unpopular opinion simply by relying on the prevalent dogma of the day and court of public opinion |
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| 17:11.54 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.31 | programmerq | neat. |
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| 17:31.03 | goozbach | doh |
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| 18:30.36 | levi | Wheeeeee, copying 10s of gigabytes of files over USB. |
| 18:32.49 | d3c4f | Oh man: http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/michael-stonebraker-wins-turing-award-0325 |
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| 18:42.25 | Tod-Work | levi, 2 or 3? |
| 18:44.22 | shalkie | 1.1? |
| 18:46.04 | Tod-Work | 1.1 is not USB, it is a travesty |
| 18:47.28 | jlp_znc | so I understand that there is a(nother) new USB plug standard... the type-C |
| 18:47.33 | jlp_znc | what the hell, USB? |
| 18:48.21 | eightyeight | s/USB/Apple/ |
| 18:48.31 | jlp_znc | I expect it from Apple |
| 18:48.40 | jlp_znc | "hey, buy all new peripherals!" |
| 18:49.17 | weedpatch2 | Type-C is much needed, though. I'm willing to trade. |
| 18:50.27 | shalkie | USB3.1?! double the speed and and 4x bump in power. |
| 18:51.14 | levi | Tod-Work: I'm pretty sure the port is 3, but the drive is only 2. |
| 18:51.24 | Tod-Work | sad |
| 18:52.12 | levi | eightyeight: Pretty sure Apple didn't specify USB-C alone, and that all the other device manufacturers want it as much as Apple does. |
| 18:52.26 | programmerq | the type c connecter is reversible, iirc. |
| 18:52.32 | jlp_znc | yes, it is |
| 18:52.37 | jlp_znc | which is great |
| 18:52.42 | jlp_znc | but still |
| 18:52.43 | programmerq | of all the reasons to switch usb connectors, that's good enough for me. |
| 18:52.52 | eightyeight | http://9to5mac.com/2015/03/14/apple-invent-usb-type-c/ |
| 18:52.56 | programmerq | the micro-usb connectors fall aparte easier than the mini-usb did. |
| 18:53.01 | jlp_znc | I have to admit, I do hate mightily on the micro-usb |
| 18:53.01 | programmerq | apart* |
| 18:53.18 | jlp_znc | the mini-usb was a much more robust design (IMNSHO) |
| 18:53.19 | eightyeight | with that said, reversible++ |
| 18:53.30 | levi | Apple invents lots of things that are later standardized. |
| 18:53.44 | levi | jlp_znc: More robust, but too big for many device form factors. |
| 18:54.00 | eightyeight | there is a very special place in hell for whoever standardized usb A |
| 18:54.07 | jlp_znc | one thing Apple "invented" that I'd like to see other laptop manufacturers adopt is the magsafe power connector. sadly, the licensing costs to Apple are probably prohibitive. |
| 18:54.34 | eightyeight | jlp_znc: they did invent mini-displayport, which was implemented back into the displayport standard |
| 18:54.45 | eightyeight | (first thing that comes to mind, at least) |
| 18:55.47 | levi | Apple is very strategic with their contributions to open standards vs. proprietary standards. I don't always agree with their strategies, but they're hardly idealistic about one vs. the other. |
| 18:56.59 | levi | *Everyone* does USB on their computers. So naturally Apple is going to want a say in how the next generation of USB ports work and they're going to contribute engineering hours to the effort. |
| 18:57.45 | weedpatch2 | I don't USB. I do Serial and LPT ONLY! |
| 18:57.46 | eightyeight | is firewire still a "standord" for AV devices, such as video cameras? |
| 18:57.50 | jlp_znc | eightyeight: would be nice if there were a magsafe version of the mini-display port, no? |
| 18:57.53 | eightyeight | *standard |
| 18:58.03 | Tod-Work | solders a new keyboard in by hand every time a key breaks |
| 18:58.05 | eightyeight | jlp_znc: magsafe of any connection, imo |
| 18:58.07 | levi | You may also be forgetting that Apple was the big initial pusher of USB. |
| 18:58.20 | levi | Even though it was invented by Intel. |
| 18:58.30 | eightyeight | i was going to say |
| 18:58.37 | Tod-Work | then they abandoned it for firewire for everything |
| 18:58.38 | eightyeight | i thought it was a "WinTel" push |
| 18:58.55 | eightyeight | even though other companies were part of the development |
| 18:59.09 | Tod-Work | usb is nice though |
| 18:59.10 | levi | Tod-Work: Huh? No. Apple computers have had USB ports along the firewire ones. |
| 18:59.17 | Tod-Work | Bluetooth, no, not nice |
| 18:59.37 | Tod-Work | levi, I know, they just prefer firewire for their own peripherals |
| 18:59.38 | levi | Firewire is not used as much anymore, but it's still a better pro AV transport than USB. |
| 18:59.41 | Tod-Work | well, DID anyway |
| 19:01.00 | levi | Tod-Work: Firewire *is* better for stuff like disks and video streams; why would they prefer crappy USB for that? |
| 19:01.22 | eightyeight | i wish FireWire would have taken off as the AV component interconnect instead of HDMI |
| 19:01.24 | Tod-Work | I never said it was a bad call |
| 19:01.38 | Tod-Work | Just that they pushed USB and then stopped |
| 19:01.41 | eightyeight | i liked what Mitsubishi was pushing with NetConnect back in 2001-2002 |
| 19:02.14 | levi | eightyeight: HDMI has the advantage of being an extension of DVI signalling rather than an entirely different mechanism. |
| 19:02.32 | levi | That's why HDMI to DVI dongles are so cheap and ubiquitous. |
| 19:03.12 | Tod-Work | firewire has sort of reached its limits for the most part. It will be hard to catch up |
| 19:03.14 | levi | Tod-Work: They pushed USB as a replacement for ADB, Firewire as a replacement for SCSI. |
| 19:03.33 | levi | Now Thunderbolt is the better replacement for Firewire. |
| 19:04.01 | Tod-Work | mhmmm |
| 19:04.08 | eightyeight | levi: indeed |
| 19:04.22 | Tod-Work | which ALSO isn't on the new macbook xD |
| 19:04.44 | Tod-Work | The breakout doesn't even have it |
| 19:05.24 | eightyeight | it does seem that apple is having a tough time standardizing on ports for their notebooks |
| 19:06.18 | programmerq | what? |
| 19:08.27 | levi | Tod-Work: Probably not enough pins or incompatible signaling or something to do it via the breakout, and there's not much *room* on that macbook for many ports. |
| 19:09.16 | Tod-Work | levi, yeah, I'm aware. It's not that bad for that thing anyway. You're not going to hook up a daisy-chain of monitors from it or anything |
| 19:09.59 | levi | It's more of an 'ultraportable' than a normal laptop; kind of a beefed-up iPad with keyboard. |
| 19:10.18 | Tod-Work | the tiny PCB is impressive |
| 19:10.31 | eightyeight | unfortunately: https://twitter.com/blakkheim/status/575045172729409536 |
| 19:11.15 | levi | Way to miss the point, @blakkheim. |
| 19:12.04 | eightyeight | i think it's more tongue-in-cheek. but, there is a sting of truth to it though |
| 19:12.27 | weedpatch2 | Who's tongue in who's cheek? |
| 19:12.30 | eightyeight | ultraportables _can_ have some functional expandability without compromising form factor |
| 19:12.45 | levi | I think anyone who *wants* to plug into all those things is going to be sorely disappointed by it for other reasons. |
| 19:13.01 | Tod-Work | Never trust anyone with a first-name only and an anime avatar |
| 19:13.13 | eightyeight | sure. however, i know a good number of people, including my wife, who don't care for the trackpads, and prefer extra mice |
| 19:13.40 | levi | Bluetooth mice are a thing. Apple's mice use bluetooth. |
| 19:13.55 | eightyeight | yeah. that means batteries. and interferrence. |
| 19:14.02 | Tod-Work | Still hating on bluetooth over here |
| 19:14.15 | Tod-Work | hides his bluetooth mouse always on his person for his Surface |
| 19:14.58 | levi | There are plenty of things to hate about bluetooth, but it does generally work well for mice and keyboards. |
| 19:20.48 | Tod-Work | I use it to stream music to my car stereo from phone. It wigs out sometimes, but I generally am ok with bluetooth as a user. As a developer, I'll just skip wireless, thanks. |
| 19:22.09 | bregalad | lol |
| 19:22.26 | bregalad | ~pinky |
| 19:22.27 | infobot | Narf! |
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| 19:24.50 | eightyeight | isn't charging the macbook done through the same port? |
| 19:29.03 | RyanE | I believe so. I assume chargers will have additional ports on them, for when you're charging and have something to hook up. |
| 19:31.55 | levi | Tod-Work: Yeah, bluetooth audio is a very imperfect thing. Wireless is generally evil for development, though, I agree. |
| 19:33.34 | eightyeight | wireless latencies are teh suck for serious gaming also (which of course, isn't the target market for this macbook, of course) |
| 19:43.35 | Tod-Work | RyanE, the charger is the USB-C port, and the breakout for $79 is how you charge and use USB at the same time (the breakout's USB-C is still the charger) |
| 19:43.47 | Tod-Work | so the normal power cable has nothing else on it |
| 19:44.40 | eightyeight | there is certainly markup in perephrials... |
| 19:45.24 | RyanE | wow. |
| 19:45.35 | RyanE | not surprised, but still... |
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| 20:43.06 | bregalad | so, big surprise, if you create an event on a google calendar for which you wish to 'hangout', the only way to retrieve the hangout url is from the google calendar app |
| 20:43.27 | bregalad | basically a cheap ecosystem lockin tactic |
| 20:51.50 | programmerq | I have also found this to be annoying. |
| 20:52.57 | bregalad | I use thunderbird for email and calendars, so it's always a big pain to have to load up google's web calendar app |
| 20:53.28 | bregalad | but I also have to load up google-chrome-beta as well to do the actual 'hangout' itself, so I guess it's just like a side problem |
| 21:00.28 | goozbach | ls |
| 21:00.30 | goozbach | dah |
| 21:00.34 | goozbach | focus problems today |
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| 22:00.20 | levi | goozbach: I hear ya. |
| 22:02.17 | levi | The macbook is for the sort of person that uses their laptop untethered most of the time. It's got a fairly weak processor, but it's really light and has a nice screen. |
| 22:03.17 | pashdown | it runs ssh, firefox, and thunderbird, and that is about all i care about |
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| 22:11.41 | levi | Yeah; if you want a laptop to run games and plug in a ton of peripherals and external displays... well, the new macbook is probably not what you want. If you want a light notebook to take on a plane, or to have on your lap on the couch, etc. then yeah; you might like it. |
| 22:12.38 | bregalad | I've been quite happy never owning a mackbook, so I guess I don't need to care about them removing ports |
| 22:13.49 | levi | I suspect you are predisposed to dislike it, so you shouldn't buy one. |
| 22:17.07 | levi | It doesn't do anyone any good for you to buy a laptop you won't like. |
| 22:18.12 | levi | Hmm, the sloppy joe and coke I had for lunch did not sit very well. :/ |
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| 22:28.25 | goozbach | I've been loving my macbook pro |
| 22:32.25 | jlp_znc | http://www.ti.com/ww/en/wireless_connectivity/sensortag/index.shtml?INTC=SensorTag&HQS=sensortag <- check this out $45.60 from digikey |
| 22:35.39 | jlp_znc | sensors include light, digital mic, magnetic sensor (i.e. compass), humidity, pressure, accelerometer, gyroscope magnetometer, object temperature, and ambient temperature |
| 22:36.32 | jlp_znc | just need a way to get wind speed and direction and you've got a weather station |
| 22:38.10 | jlp_znc | apparently you can buy it from TI direct for $29 |
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| 22:43.22 | jlp_znc | hah, get wind speed by mounting it on an anemometer. count the spins using the gyroscope sensor. |
| 22:43.30 | jlp_znc | how about wind direction? |
| 22:47.06 | goozbach | since owning it my personal workstation shaped yaks have become few and far between |
| 22:57.51 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.56 | romanovic | wow https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/super-troopers-2 |
| 23:04.20 | romanovic | indiegogo started yesterday, has already surpassed its target of $2,000,000 |
| 23:04.31 | programmerq | wow |
| 23:06.43 | dumby | Yeah... check out the major contribute packages they're sold out of |
| 23:08.03 | dumby | 70 @ $1250 all sold. 30 @ $3500 sold out. 3 @ $10,000... |
| 23:10.45 | programmerq | 1 @ $35,000 |
| 23:11.18 | dumby | You get a car with that one though, so I wasn't completely blown away by it :P |
| 23:26.12 | levi | The crowdfunding thing makes me very sad for the human race, even though some cool stuff comes out of it. |
| 23:30.42 | dumby | Why's that? |
| 23:33.04 | levi | It just makes the capriciousness of humanity more evident. You can't blame where funding goes on big business or government interference or whatever, it's just the aggregate opinion of the sort of people willing to pitch money into crowdfunded things. |
| 23:33.34 | Wegg | I backed the new Pebble Time. Excited to get it. |
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