| 00:02.46 | programmerq | levi: yeah, copying around whole OS images does kind of suck. it works well if you do one (or both) of: using a common base image across your various images, use a small base os image. |
| 00:04.40 | programmerq | as for the apt-get/timing stuff, that is indeed true. I've used a few config management tools, and they all have that same problem though. |
| 00:06.48 | levi | I think ideally you'd want an exploratory process that helped you get the image you wanted in the first place, and then a process that distills the filesystem you created into a declarative description of exactly what went into it and removes all the bits that aren't required for your application to run. |
| 00:08.06 | levi | Something like NixOS, but with perhaps a bit more standard filesystem layout. |
| 00:08.38 | programmerq | googles nixos |
| 00:08.58 | programmerq | the google autocomplete when I typed 'nixos' was 'nixos docker' |
| 00:09.47 | programmerq | neat |
| 00:09.57 | programmerq | adds nixos to the list of stuff to play with. |
| 00:11.00 | programmerq | levi: to be honest, I think that having a more CM type interface than the Dockerfile as it is now is something that people will build. |
| 00:11.11 | programmerq | if they haven't already. |
| 00:13.40 | levi | The cool thing about NixOS is that it tracks all the dependencies for everything (up to the limit of how well you've encoded them in the packaging expression) so you get very repeatable setups and it can copy *just* the dependencies for an application along with the application to a cloud server for deployment. |
| 00:14.42 | levi | I'm not sure it's ever going to catch on, but it's definitely a cool thing to look at. |
| 00:14.50 | levi | Anyway, time to head home. |
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| 15:21.26 | goozbach | morning |
| 15:21.41 | goozbach | so the answer was easier and harder than I thought |
| 15:21.44 | goozbach | enabled SCL |
| 15:21.50 | goozbach | then installed php54 packages |
| 15:21.59 | goozbach | but then I had to disable php 53 from httpd |
| 15:22.02 | goozbach | which broke a bunch of stuff |
| 15:22.13 | goozbach | so I ended up installing updates of things I use |
| 15:22.21 | goozbach | owncloud, tiny tiny rss, and other |
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| 15:26.14 | bregalad | does anyone here use greasemonkey? |
| 15:26.47 | bregalad | I'm trying to get a script to work that disables sites from grabbing the '/' key and mapping it to their stupid search box |
| 15:27.31 | bregalad | I've been trying scripts from here, https://superuser.com/questions/168087/how-to-forbid-keyboard-shortcut-stealing-by-websites-in-firefox and here, https://superuser.com/questions/399352/how-do-i-prevent-pages-i-visit-from-overriding-selected-firefox-shortcut-keys |
| 15:44.44 | Jayce^ | a coworker was trying something similar with Jira and it's stupid key theft.. wasn't having the greatest results |
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| 15:48.25 | bregalad | :( |
| 15:48.34 | bregalad | at least I don't have to use jyra |
| 15:48.39 | bregalad | or whatever it is |
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| 15:58.10 | Jayce^ | heh.. my main payment processor just sent out an email about how they are finally deprecating SHA-1 and moving on to SHA-2 |
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| 16:00.14 | fozzmoo | It's going to be a while before they get to SHA-256 at this rate. |
| 16:02.39 | Jayce^ | well, it's technically accurate, but not a commonly used way to say it from my experience |
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| 17:15.31 | dremex | https://fiber.google.com/cities/saltlakecity/ |
| 17:15.43 | dremex | Time to move to SLC proper |
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| 17:22.24 | Wegg | Google Fiber! |
| 17:29.49 | bregalad | now with more tracking!! |
| 17:29.49 | romanovic | Awesome! coming to another metropolitan center just a few miles away, but not likely to expand to my neighborhood in the next 20 years! |
| 17:30.43 | bregalad | I guess it could work out if you ran all your traffic through a load balancer of VPNs |
| 17:31.07 | bregalad | it's hard to tell whether google would be more or less evil than comcast |
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| 17:31.49 | romanovic | it's a competing evil, that's my first concern. |
| 17:35.23 | RyanE | romanovic: exactly. |
| 17:35.58 | RyanE | something tells me Google isn't going to be announcing Google Fiber for Highland, UT anytime soon. |
| 17:36.52 | Wegg | I wish more people had been enthusiastic about XMission and Utopia. |
| 17:37.40 | joshh | comcast is more evil |
| 17:37.47 | RyanE | for now |
| 17:38.05 | joshh | google doesn't want to rape you to death, they just want to know everything about you, by giving you free/cheap stuff in exchange for spying |
| 17:40.00 | Wegg | isn't that easily thwarted though? DuckDuckGo and maybe some Tor browsing? |
| 17:40.23 | joshh | and evilness aside, the product and support will be worlds better |
| 17:40.54 | romanovic | Wegg: same here, about utopia. I think a big obstacle is that everybody thinks about The Internet as an abstract concept that includes several service providers at different levels |
| 17:41.17 | romanovic | Oligopoly players are happy to let customers think the connection they are providing === The Internet |
| 17:41.44 | Wegg | When I lived in Orem I had Utopia. |
| 17:41.48 | Wegg | Man it was fast/good |
| 17:41.53 | joshh | utopia was too soon for utah's masses |
| 17:42.00 | romanovic | Utopia and XMission offer something much more valuable, which is a last-mile infrastructure that is separate from any one internet service provider |
| 17:42.01 | joshh | and the political climate at the time was horrible |
| 17:42.24 | joshh | with republicans being against all "socialism" so hard, and calling utopia a government run isp |
| 17:42.45 | joshh | also, utopia leaders were awful |
| 17:43.18 | Wegg | They did a crap job of explaining to the community what they were doing digging up everyone's yards. |
| 17:43.43 | Wegg | And the first few ISPs were . . . bad. |
| 17:43.54 | pashdown | hey |
| 17:44.08 | pashdown | i resemble that remark |
| 17:44.18 | joshh | he meant those other guys of course |
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| 18:03.42 | bregalad | :-) |
| 18:03.58 | weedpatch2 | :-| |
| 18:04.38 | bregalad | ISPs that don't run an irc server where isp employees idle are bad by definition |
| 18:05.34 | weedpatch2 | I think that is incorrect. |
| 18:06.29 | Wegg | I went through three different ISPs in as many years when I was in Orem. I seemed to have a knack for finding the ISP that was about to go under. . . and then signing up. |
| 18:06.51 | weedpatch2 | Wegg, don't try the stock market... |
| 18:07.12 | Wegg | oh I know. |
| 18:07.52 | Zefram | He can still play stocks. |
| 18:07.58 | Zefram | He'll just be short selling everything instead. ^_^ |
| 18:09.07 | weedpatch2 | Troof |
| 18:09.17 | Wegg | might sign up with Comcast. |
| 18:09.24 | Wegg | with any luck I'll bring them down. |
| 18:09.27 | weedpatch2 | Chances are they wont fold. |
| 18:09.41 | weedpatch2 | But if you are the causer than SIGN ON UP!!!! |
| 18:09.42 | weedpatch2 | lol |
| 18:14.00 | bregalad | for i in range(1024**8): Wegg().get_isp('comcast') |
| 18:14.43 | weedpatch2 | Wegg, you are just an object to bregalad |
| 18:19.07 | Wegg | that is the first time someone has objectified me. |
| 18:19.26 | weedpatch2 | You are clearly not a woman. |
| 18:19.34 | Wegg | nope |
| 18:19.45 | Wegg | I do however have a nice rack. |
| 18:19.57 | weedpatch2 | Server rack? |
| 18:20.11 | Wegg | moobs |
| 18:20.37 | weedpatch2 | Man rack |
| 18:26.08 | Wegg | I have my Vasa gym membership to try and decrease my cup size a little. For the sake of the children. |
| 18:26.33 | dumby | Your milkshake might bring all the boys in the weight yard, though |
| 18:27.01 | Wegg | I have no idea what that means. |
| 18:27.24 | weedpatch2 | lol |
| 18:28.20 | dumby | https://i.imgur.com/OdfS2.jpg |
| 18:28.48 | Wegg | LOL |
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| 18:40.30 | Wegg | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/574/221/9bb.jpg |
| 18:42.15 | weedpatch2 | Indubitably |
| 18:44.24 | dumby | RIP in piece |
| 18:54.45 | goozbach | which ISP should I use in AF? |
| 18:55.08 | d3c4f_web | AFConnect is pretty nice for residential |
| 18:55.22 | d3c4f_web | http://www.afconnect.com/ |
| 18:56.27 | goozbach | their website doesn't isnpire confidencse |
| 18:56.57 | Wegg | it has been around for a while. |
| 18:57.00 | Wegg | that's a good thing. |
| 18:57.17 | Wegg | I should know. I'm really good at picking ISPs. |
| 18:57.56 | goozbach | kinda sad to leave sfcn :( |
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| 19:05.54 | joshh | he's in this channel, so 99.999% sure that's true |
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| 19:34.52 | Migs | sup S-Tac |
| 19:35.06 | shalkie | I see we talked about Google Fiber already. :( |
| 19:36.16 | shalkie | What are the current Google rules for hosting services from ones house? |
| 19:36.47 | dumby | Not allowed, from what I've heard from Provo folk |
| 19:37.56 | programmerq | that is what it was originaly, but they changed it: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.provo.plug/31337 |
| 19:38.04 | programmerq | servers allowed for non-commercial use apparantly. |
| 19:38.28 | eightyeight | https://xmission.com/blog/2015/03/24/google-fiber-in-salt-lake-city-2 |
| 19:38.38 | RyanE | how about putting a large, large antenna on your house, pointed at my house, where a matching antenna would be? :) |
| 19:38.56 | dumby | the "use of applications such as multi-player gaming, video-conferencing, home security and others which may include server capabilities but are being used for legal and non-commercial purposes are acceptable and encouraged." |
| 19:39.06 | dumby | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/google-fiber-now-explicitly-permits-home-servers/ |
| 19:39.13 | dumby | That's good news |
| 19:39.43 | dumby | http://googlefiberblog.blogspot.com/2013/10/some-clarification-for-small-businesses.html |
| 19:43.50 | fungus | Nice, sounds like XM is going to provide some kind of VPN like service to Google Fiber users. I get my gig and can eat it too. :) |
| 19:44.05 | weedpatch2 | +1 |
| 19:44.13 | weedpatch2 | THANKS, pashdown |
| 19:44.55 | pashdown | yer welcome |
| 19:46.30 | dumby | I see that as a fantastic avenue to take for true progress in the situation. Certainly not ideal for many of us tech folk, but it's a step forward |
| 19:47.38 | fungus | Good workaround for now. |
| 19:53.08 | bregalad | that would be awesome |
| 19:53.46 | weedpatch2 | pashdown, will this service only be provided to GFiber subscribers? Because I would really like to encrypt all my data from another behemoth ISP and send it all through your awesome pipes. |
| 19:56.53 | pashdown | anyone |
| 19:57.13 | weedpatch2 | Woot |
| 19:57.15 | pashdown | we're negotiating for a comcast link so it would benefit people locally as well |
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| 20:22.20 | joshh | pashdown: how will that vpn work? |
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| 20:53.21 | fozzmoo | joshh: Well, see, VPNs create a virtual network stack on top of the existing one... ;-) |
| 20:55.20 | joshh | lol |
| 21:00.50 | RyanE | joshh: When a mommy network and a daddy network love each other *very much*... |
| 21:02.19 | d3c4f_web | ...they hide all their dirty secrets in ipsec |
| 21:15.40 | spangborn | Or OpenVPN, if they're feeling adventurous |
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| 21:51.17 | jalbretsen | pashdown: What about us lonely people without UTOPIA in UTOPIA Cities that approved phase one? Any glimmer of hope soon? |
| 21:56.16 | pashdown | i'm not optimistic that the tax-cranks will let macquarie fly |
| 21:56.45 | pashdown | josh, openvpn and strongswan for l2tp |
| 21:56.59 | pashdown | the primary problem is performance for many vpns |
| 21:57.40 | harleypig | Idle, sort of, question. Can I present a menu in a kickstart file? So, after the iso has loaded and installed stuff and we're in the %post section, can I present a menu and allow the user to select from a list of options? |
| 22:07.59 | joshh | yes, openvpn is slow, but awesome otherwise |
| 22:13.50 | goozbach | harleypig: dialog? |
| 22:15.15 | harleypig | meh ... completely forgot about dialog. |
| 22:15.34 | harleypig | That should probably work fine. |
| 22:15.42 | harleypig | Thanks |
| 22:19.54 | Tod-Work | joshh, it requires a lot of tuning for your use case often times |
| 22:20.11 | Tod-Work | like we had to tune it for long-distance large-file transfers |
| 22:20.32 | Tod-Work | This isn't so much a criticism as a notation |
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