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| 05:46.09 | davido__ | Gah! Kids spilled a bottle of liquid dish soap on the new carpet. |
| 05:46.36 | davido__ | Spent two hours with a home-use carpet cleaner extracting the suds. |
| 05:47.18 | davido__ | I'm going to list them in CL if anyone wants them (the kids... kidding of course) |
| 05:54.01 | wildcat | I was just wondering how you were managing to keep your carpet clean _and_ having kids. I guess now I know: it takes a lot of hand-power :p |
| 05:55.41 | wildcat | (since carpet over here are really not common except for bedrooms) |
| 05:56.07 | davido__ | where are you, wildcat? |
| 05:57.11 | fozzmoo | davido__: When you're done getting that dish soap out, though, the carpet will be shiny-clean! |
| 05:57.48 | davido__ | fozzmoo And lemony fresh. |
| 05:57.58 | fozzmoo | Indeed |
| 05:58.29 | wildcat | davido__: Belgium ;-) |
| 05:58.40 | davido__ | But if it happens again it might be blood stained. |
| 05:58.41 | davido__ | ;) |
| 05:58.45 | wildcat | heh |
| 05:59.59 | wildcat | davido__: but, moving to Utah around October this year .. |
| 06:00.07 | davido__ | About 2/3rds of the house is either hardwood or tile, but one of the family rooms is carpeted. It manages to stay pretty clean though. It's not like you walk into the room straight from the muddy back yard or anything. :) |
| 06:00.13 | davido__ | wildcat: What part of UT? |
| 06:00.37 | wildcat | well, I'm not entirely sure yet, from street view Lehi looks pretty neat |
| 06:01.00 | wildcat | and a bit appart from the town |
| 06:01.06 | davido__ | wildcat : The good thing about Lehi is its proximity to the tech-industry center of the state. |
| 06:01.10 | wildcat | though I'm still open :) |
| 06:01.21 | wildcat | davido__: sure, even tho I'll be working from home ;-) |
| 06:01.22 | davido__ | I wouldn't call Lehi the prettiest place though. |
| 06:01.22 | fozzmoo | Lehi's a big place. There's a bit of everything there. |
| 06:01.51 | fozzmoo | davido__ is a east-side of Salt Lake Valley snob. ;-) |
| 06:02.13 | wildcat | well, I don't want to be too apart either, as I'll be new to the place, I think it's good to have what you need nearby |
| 06:02.24 | davido__ | haha. Actually I was going to say that fozzmoo's area is pretty cool too. |
| 06:02.24 | wildcat | but don't want to be in downtown slc :] |
| 06:02.34 | fozzmoo | In that case, Lehi's not a bad place to start. |
| 06:02.40 | wildcat | cool :] |
| 06:02.52 | wildcat | ah yeah, and I'm going to rent a house too, for a start |
| 06:03.02 | fozzmoo | youtah lives in Lehi. |
| 06:03.08 | wildcat | so that will buy us some time to visit places around and decide where to stick |
| 06:03.14 | youtah | what did I do? |
| 06:03.25 | youtah | and why are we all in here at midnight on a Sunday? |
| 06:03.38 | davido__ | Good question. In my case, midnight snuck up on me an hour early. |
| 06:03.43 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 06:03.46 | youtah | EXACTLY |
| 06:03.58 | davido__ | youtah: What did you do? You live. ...in Lehi. |
| 06:04.05 | youtah | I had to complete a homework assignment online by midnight.... they really meant 11pm |
| 06:04.13 | wildcat | well, it's 7pm monday here, so.. :] |
| 06:04.19 | wildcat | err, 7am even |
| 06:04.20 | youtah | wait |
| 06:04.21 | youtah | wut |
| 06:04.25 | youtah | okay |
| 06:04.27 | youtah | lol |
| 06:04.46 | youtah | I do live in Lehi |
| 06:04.46 | davido__ | I wish we would just stay on MDT. |
| 06:05.07 | fozzmoo | MDT? I'd prefer we stay on MST, but I'd be happy if we just STAYED. |
| 06:05.12 | wildcat | ah, you changed DST today |
| 06:05.20 | fozzmoo | Yes. |
| 06:05.27 | wildcat | it was a couple weeks ago here :] |
| 06:05.32 | fozzmoo | Arizona doesn't observe DST, those lucky ducks. |
| 06:05.34 | davido__ | wildcat was asking if Lehi is a nice place to move to (from NL), and fozzmoo said that you live there. |
| 06:05.39 | youtah | I moved here because Cabelas, central to SLC and Provo (lots of tech companies), Fiber Optics, oh, and Lehi is still really close to the Salt Lake County border, in case something happens |
| 06:05.39 | wildcat | (so it's even more painful when working with US colleagues) |
| 06:05.50 | wildcat | davido__: err, I'm not in NL, but BE :p |
| 06:05.58 | youtah | From NL as in Netherlands? |
| 06:06.05 | fozzmoo | Belgium. |
| 06:06.06 | davido__ | Oh, BE, I misremembered. :) |
| 06:06.19 | wildcat | not too far from NL, indeed |
| 06:06.36 | youtah | I was going to say, bring me some zoute drops |
| 06:06.52 | youtah | good crap those are delicious |
| 06:07.05 | fozzmoo | youtah: you would say that |
| 06:07.10 | youtah | lol |
| 06:07.17 | youtah | have you had those before fozzmoo? |
| 06:07.28 | fozzmoo | Nope. would they kill me? |
| 06:07.32 | wildcat | heh |
| 06:07.36 | youtah | lol |
| 06:07.38 | davido__ | wildcat: When you get here, don't rent/buy in the first week or two. Explore a little first. Get a feel for things. |
| 06:07.56 | youtah | no.... shouldn't mess with Sugars fozzmoo ... let's just say 98% of Americans don't like them |
| 06:08.25 | wildcat | davido__: well, where should I be for a week or two then? :p |
| 06:08.44 | fozzmoo | I'm sure davido__ will let you stay at his place! ;-) |
| 06:08.44 | youtah | Are you coming for works/school/family? |
| 06:09.04 | wildcat | youtah: let's say work, but that's mostly a choice |
| 06:09.05 | youtah | s/works/work |
| 06:09.12 | davido__ | A hotel if you haven't any other option. Cheaper to rent an extended stay hotel for a couple weeks than to move twice in the first year because you discovered better digs. |
| 06:09.17 | wildcat | fozzmoo: I got two kids and a wife, with me, too ;} |
| 06:09.19 | youtah | any particular area for work? |
| 06:09.34 | wildcat | youtah: my home :p |
| 06:09.43 | davido__ | If you don't have to worry about commuting, move to Park City. :) |
| 06:09.43 | youtah | lol |
| 06:09.50 | youtah | ^ |
| 06:09.54 | fozzmoo | davido__ has a good point. |
| 06:10.21 | youtah | what davido__ said.... or perhaps Heber. Good crap I would love to live up there. Although, mightily cold up there in the winters. Windy too |
| 06:10.48 | fozzmoo | The politics in PC would make my head explode. |
| 06:10.58 | youtah | but hey! They have a Walmart there... and you haven't lived until you've been to the Walmart in Heber on a Sunday. Who Doggy! |
| 06:11.05 | fozzmoo | I could handle Heber, maybe. :) |
| 06:11.21 | davido__ | There's nowhere in the US where you're more than an hour's drive from WalMart, except maybe Green River. |
| 06:11.28 | youtah | Heber is the opposite of Park City on the East Side of the range |
| 06:11.35 | wildcat | heh, a quick look on zillow show no houses to rentin Park city |
| 06:11.40 | wildcat | or well, not at decent prices ;] |
| 06:11.46 | fozzmoo | There is that. |
| 06:11.48 | davido__ | Yeah, decent prices. |
| 06:11.49 | youtah | Monticello... you've got a couple of hours |
| 06:11.59 | davido__ | Midway is nice too. |
| 06:12.12 | youtah | Midway is gorgeous, but also $$$ like Park City |
| 06:12.26 | fozzmoo | Alright. We're back to Lehi. I assume affordable, fast broadband is a priority. |
| 06:12.33 | youtah | and if you like old people talking about Swedish traditions, you're set! |
| 06:12.41 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 06:13.10 | wildcat | fozzmoo: yeah fast broadband is, definitely, a requirement :p |
| 06:13.18 | wildcat | (and no, I don't want to move to provo ;D) |
| 06:13.21 | davido__ | There's Eagle Mountain. None of that existed 15 years ago, now it's a city. |
| 06:13.29 | youtah | Seriously..... Salt Lake City has great speeds |
| 06:13.41 | youtah | what kind of cost are you able to afford, if you don't mind sharing |
| 06:13.50 | davido__ | What kind of work do you do Wildcat? |
| 06:13.50 | wildcat | oh I don't mind nope |
| 06:14.01 | wildcat | I'm looking something under 2000$ |
| 06:14.09 | youtah | ah okay |
| 06:14.21 | wildcat | needs to be a house with at least 3 room and at least one, preferably two working desk |
| 06:14.24 | youtah | Lehi is a good option |
| 06:14.27 | fozzmoo | Lindon, Lehi, Eagle Mountain, Herriman (where I live), Draper, Orem. |
| 06:14.29 | davido__ | Under 2k you can buy a nice home in a good neighborhood. |
| 06:14.39 | youtah | Salt Lake that might be more difficult to find, Park city is out |
| 06:14.40 | fozzmoo | $2k/mo, I assume. |
| 06:14.44 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 06:14.45 | wildcat | want to keep a room for monthly saving for when I'll buy |
| 06:14.59 | davido__ | Salt Lake isn't *that* expensive. |
| 06:15.01 | wildcat | davido__: can't buy yet |
| 06:15.07 | youtah | I was thinking Avenues |
| 06:15.16 | youtah | or up near the UofU |
| 06:15.22 | davido__ | Oh, yeah, Avenues are expensive. |
| 06:15.22 | wildcat | err, avenues are either expensive or the houses are old and looks crumbling :/ |
| 06:15.25 | fozzmoo | youtah: Again with the head-exploding. |
| 06:15.28 | wildcat | but the places is nice, I admit |
| 06:15.44 | youtah | This mac keeps autocorrecting all of my spelling |
| 06:15.45 | davido__ | I'm in Granite / Sandy. |
| 06:15.52 | youtah | Holladay |
| 06:15.55 | youtah | Millcreek |
| 06:15.57 | wildcat | oh and, davido__: I'm a sysadmin, basically said |
| 06:15.57 | youtah | Cottonwood Height |
| 06:15.59 | youtah | s |
| 06:16.07 | fozzmoo | youtah: you're biased. |
| 06:16.10 | youtah | Sandy, Draper, Eagle Mountain, Highland |
| 06:16.12 | youtah | lol |
| 06:16.36 | youtah | South Jordan |
| 06:16.37 | davido__ | Yeah, Holladay, Millcreek, Cottonwood Heights, Sandy... we looked all around those places. Just turned out the right home was the one in Sandy. |
| 06:16.38 | youtah | Bluffdale |
| 06:16.49 | youtah | Riverton |
| 06:16.56 | fozzmoo | wildcat: Check out http://utopianet.org/ for cities that are connected to a municipal fiber project. |
| 06:16.59 | davido__ | Bluffdale: if they relocate the prison there's going to be a lot of development going on there. |
| 06:17.07 | youtah | What fozzmoo said |
| 06:17.16 | youtah | Check out the location that UTOPIA covers |
| 06:17.18 | davido__ | fozz: How did you do on the hackathon? I didn't notice. |
| 06:17.25 | fozzmoo | youtah has fiber in Lehi via Veracity, is that right? |
| 06:17.30 | youtah | correct |
| 06:17.34 | fozzmoo | davido__: I finished 1A. |
| 06:17.44 | youtah | never have had an outtage |
| 06:17.48 | fozzmoo | davido__: Almost finished 1B. Finished it yesterday while I was at the hospital with my daughter. |
| 06:17.59 | davido__ | is she sick? |
| 06:18.06 | youtah | :( |
| 06:18.15 | fozzmoo | She's got Crohns - so she had to go in for an infusion. |
| 06:18.25 | youtah | Ah man..... poor girl |
| 06:18.40 | youtah | eye lid is twitching |
| 06:18.42 | fozzmoo | She's been doing that for a couple of years. Her doctor says after a couple more, he'd like to see how she does without them. |
| 06:18.45 | fozzmoo | crosses fingers |
| 06:18.52 | fozzmoo | A couple more infusions, not years. |
| 06:18.56 | youtah | DUDE!!!! fozzmoo speaking of injuries... did you like the photo of my toenail? |
| 06:19.06 | fozzmoo | youtah: Nice toenail. |
| 06:19.09 | davido__ | ah, that's bad luck. |
| 06:19.31 | youtah | am I going to die fozzmoo? |
| 06:19.39 | fozzmoo | davido__: I really like what the hackathon challenges did to my brain! |
| 06:19.50 | fozzmoo | davido__: SLPM should host one once a year or something. |
| 06:19.57 | fozzmoo | Like on a Saturday. |
| 06:20.01 | davido__ | I hated 2B... we all looked at it and said, "Um... let's move on." |
| 06:20.16 | fozzmoo | I looked at it and said "RECURSION!" |
| 06:20.32 | davido__ | fozzmoo : That's a good idea. Maybe we should do it in the Fall, when people are done camping and not yet skiing. |
| 06:20.39 | fozzmoo | And then I proceeded to get my X and Y crossed and mixed up. :) |
| 06:21.08 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I was thinking Fall or Winter would be good. |
| 06:21.10 | davido__ | The one I used recursion for was the one where each cell drains to a sink. |
| 06:21.22 | youtah | fozzmoo, a doctor in the neighborhood said I need to go in, and have them remove a chunk of my toenail, the part that is bent down and digging into my toe at a 90 degree angle... or have them slide a knife under it and bend it back up. |
| 06:21.24 | davido__ | I think that was 2A |
| 06:21.52 | davido__ | wugh! Ask for something to numb it before they do that! |
| 06:21.58 | youtah | ROFL |
| 06:22.16 | youtah | Long story short.... don't try and stop a soccer ball with sandals on |
| 06:22.18 | RyanE | youtah: You can buy dubbel zout at Pirate O's. |
| 06:22.35 | youtah | RyanE!!!! |
| 06:22.37 | RyanE | bought it by mistake when they were out of the *good* licorice. |
| 06:22.41 | RyanE | :) |
| 06:22.41 | youtah | it's a party! |
| 06:22.49 | RyanE | sleepy party. About to head off to bed. |
| 06:22.53 | youtah | do you still have it RyanE? |
| 06:23.07 | davido__ | yeah, i better get to bed too. Been under the weather this weekend again. |
| 06:23.14 | RyanE | ate one, threw it away. Pirate O's is pretty close, though. I go to lunch there from time to time. |
| 06:23.15 | fozzmoo | yeah 1B is the drainage basin one. |
| 06:23.16 | wildcat | have a nice night guys :] |
| 06:23.28 | davido__ | 1B was a good candidate for recursion. |
| 06:23.30 | fozzmoo | wildcat: Bye! |
| 06:23.39 | youtah | smell ya later |
| 06:23.42 | fozzmoo | youtah: I don't know what to say about your toe. |
| 06:23.51 | fozzmoo | RyanE: G'night! |
| 06:24.02 | youtah | will you hold me while they bend it back fozzmoo? |
| 06:24.04 | davido__ | start at a cell, recurse to the cell of lower elevation, recurse again, ... until an existing sink, or unnamed low spot is found. |
| 06:24.14 | fozzmoo | youtah: Just drink some cheap whiskey. |
| 06:24.30 | youtah | lol |
| 06:24.30 | RyanE | or a mouthful of dubbel zout |
| 06:24.59 | youtah | you haven't lived until you've tried route drops! |
| 06:25.03 | fozzmoo | youtah: That is one reason why I don't wear open-toe sandals. |
| 06:25.18 | youtah | hey, but I was wearing socks! |
| 06:25.19 | davido__ | don't leave it until it gets infected. If it gets too bad you could lose the toe. |
| 06:25.21 | RyanE | I could get the same effect by eating a good licorice with a mouth full of rock salt. :) |
| 06:26.02 | youtah | if you hold a zoute drop against a canker sore.... it will be gone in an hour |
| 06:26.13 | davido__ | alright. good night #utah. |
| 06:26.16 | youtah | along with about 2mm of your cheek tissue |
| 06:26.18 | RyanE | and spray some windex on it. |
| 06:26.20 | RyanE | :) |
| 06:26.31 | youtah | lol, later davido__ |
| 06:26.34 | fozzmoo | davido__: Bye! |
| 06:27.04 | youtah | I had better go to bed too |
| 06:27.12 | youtah | I can't keep my left eye open |
| 06:27.16 | youtah | without it twitching |
| 06:29.27 | youtah | I'll ttyl |
| 06:29.29 | youtah | night all! |
| 06:29.33 | RyanE | night |
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| 15:22.05 | unum | I checked my user list folder to see if the open west schedule annoucement had been made and didn't see anything there |
| 15:22.10 | unum | but then I had a new email in my inbox |
| 15:22.17 | unum | and sure enough, yeah! |
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| 16:20.41 | bregalad | ~napoleon youtah |
| 16:20.42 | infobot | ACTION tames a wild honeymoon stallion for youtah |
| 16:20.57 | youtah | https://scontent-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10685378_1055635204457490_2459984757773138912_n.png?oh=4521c66c9e13c16445945ebde713ab1e&oe=55724C5B |
| 16:21.54 | youtah | I blame you fozzmoo RyanE davido__ and wildcat for keeping me up late last night |
| 16:22.04 | fozzmoo | Haw haw. |
| 16:23.57 | RyanE | yeah, we feel for you, youtah. |
| 16:24.25 | youtah | I can barely lift my fingers up to type |
| 16:24.46 | RyanE | that's not lack of sleep, that's lack of *motivation*. |
| 16:27.41 | RyanE | http://www.savagechickens.com/2006/08/motivational.html |
| 16:28.47 | bregalad | ~pinky |
| 16:28.47 | infobot | Narf! |
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| 16:47.31 | spangborn | ~lart youtah |
| 16:47.31 | infobot | beats youtah to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 16:48.48 | manithree | Rumor has it Subway uses Sodium Chloride (used in many industrial processes and in the manufacture of polyvinyl chloride, plastics, paper pulp and many other products), also |
| 16:49.36 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:49.46 | spangborn | I bet they use dihydrogen monoxide, too. |
| 16:50.32 | RyanE | Their shredded lettuce is just *full* of that dihydrogen monoxide. |
| 16:50.48 | manithree | 100% fatal |
| 16:51.24 | Jayce^ | causes global warming too |
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| 16:51.59 | RyanE | but not as much as cow flatulence. |
| 16:52.26 | levi | It's funny, the dihydrogen monoxide kills you *faster* in the absence of the sodium chloride. |
| 16:52.59 | Jayce^ | darn cell walls |
| 16:53.18 | RyanE | Pretty sure dihydrogen monoxide is known to the State of California to cause cancer. |
| 16:53.47 | levi | forall x. x is known to the State of California to cause cancer. |
| 16:53.53 | RyanE | indeed |
| 16:54.13 | RyanE | That state has to be the most knowlegeable state in the union. |
| 16:54.30 | RyanE | I find "known to the State" to be an odd expression. |
| 16:54.30 | manithree | It has been proven to cause laboratory mice in cancer |
| 16:56.11 | Jayce^ | last year my father in law was trying to tell my kids why it was so much better for us to have christmas at their house (in CA) instead of coming to our house.. |
| 16:56.22 | Jayce^ | he went on for a while about all the things that are better in CA.. |
| 16:56.42 | fozzmoo | *cough cough* plastic bags *cough cough* |
| 16:56.44 | Jayce^ | my youngest then stopped him short.. she just said, "But everything causes cancer there" |
| 16:56.51 | fozzmoo | hah! |
| 16:56.58 | RyanE | brilliant |
| 16:57.04 | RyanE | chip off the ol' block, that one. |
| 16:57.07 | Jayce^ | from the mouths of babes |
| 16:58.07 | Jayce^ | my mother in law gave me a nasty look after that, thinking I'd set it up... |
| 16:58.42 | fozzmoo | hee. |
| 16:59.16 | fozzmoo | I would have looked at you too if she'd said something about high taxes or burdensome environmental policy, but cancer?! That's too precious. |
| 17:00.50 | bregalad | CA is also the state that mandates carcinogens in furniture and children's clothes |
| 17:01.16 | bregalad | just in case somebody smoking nearby will give them more carcinogens to worry about |
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| 17:05.14 | romanovic | does anyone get trolled by Vivint Wireless? A salesperson stops by our house about once per month and we tell them, "we'd really like to try vivint wireless, but we've had installers out before and they can't get line-of-site to a hub within range" |
| 17:05.40 | fozzmoo | Maybe not trolled... |
| 17:05.49 | romanovic | and the salesperson always responds "that may have been the case before, but [x] has changed!" so a new installer comes out and says exactly the same thing as previous installers |
| 17:05.50 | fozzmoo | But they've visited a couple times the last couple of weeks. |
| 17:06.17 | romanovic | "your neighbor's roof is blocking the nearest hub, and no other hubs are within range despite what the salespeople are telling you" |
| 17:06.23 | fozzmoo | I'm apparently at the edge of coverage area for one of their cells. |
| 17:06.52 | fozzmoo | My neighbor south of me would love to get Vivint Wireless, but they were told they were too far away. |
| 17:07.09 | fozzmoo | Vivint changed their story - said maybe she COULD get access, maybe at a lower rate. |
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| 17:07.18 | fozzmoo | So, they tried again... only to discover my house was in the way. |
| 17:08.01 | fozzmoo | Now they're talking about putting a new tower west of us to serve a large swath of houses that currently can't get Vivint Wireless. |
| 17:08.39 | romanovic | I hope they expand the network in Herriman, eventually... |
| 17:08.49 | romanovic | fozzmoo: what city are you in? |
| 17:08.57 | fozzmoo | Herriman. |
| 17:09.13 | romanovic | oh, well I'm glad there is talk of new towers |
| 17:09.26 | fozzmoo | The guy told me last week they're planning on installing this new tower within 3 months. |
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| 17:23.54 | rsimpkins | I wonder why there isn't a local freenode server. Freenode politics? |
| 17:39.19 | programmerq | rsimpkins: I read up on their node policy at one point. they do accept donated hardware. it just have to be up to the task, and they have to have root on the box. |
| 17:39.32 | programmerq | maybe someone from xmission can get a spot in a rack or something? |
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| 17:41.50 | rsimpkins | I don't think the volunteers who run freenode are keeping things up to date very well. |
| 17:42.08 | rsimpkins | Hardware requirements are a pentium 4 with 3GB of RAM. |
| 17:42.23 | programmerq | lol |
| 17:42.38 | programmerq | rsimpkins: could ping in #freenode. they are generally responsive and helpful over there. |
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| 17:42.45 | rsimpkins | They need to Salt the freenode network to make it easier for them to manage. |
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| 17:43.00 | rsimpkins | I just was in there and asked them about regional DNS pools. |
| 17:43.13 | rsimpkins | They admitted that they don't keep them up to date, so there is no point in using them. |
| 17:43.25 | rsimpkins | Volunteer run services are tough. |
| 17:44.35 | youtah | :( |
| 17:44.40 | youtah | Salt is amazing |
| 17:44.53 | youtah | especially on French Fries |
| 17:45.04 | youtah | ducks |
| 17:46.54 | jsmith | youtah: Not mustard? |
| 17:47.00 | jsmith | sighs |
| 17:47.18 | youtah | Oh man |
| 17:47.28 | youtah | that's a fantastic way to ruin french fries |
| 17:47.29 | youtah | and servers |
| 17:48.28 | youtah | You guys I just ate a bunch of Jalapeño chips.. and my eyes itch.... what do I do? |
| 17:48.49 | jsmith | youtah: Rub your eyes.... with your elbows :-p |
| 17:48.56 | youtah | lol |
| 17:49.01 | youtah | it worked! |
| 17:49.09 | youtah | waits for jsmith to ask how I did it |
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| 18:17.51 | jlp_znc | heh heh, "The Object Oriented way to get rich is Inheritance." |
| 18:20.11 | eightyeight | levi: i finished the silmarillion |
| 18:20.20 | eightyeight | levi: even though it was a very difficult read, it was a great story |
| 18:20.26 | unum | I started the wheel of time |
| 18:20.42 | eightyeight | i just started "the way of kings" by brandon sanderson now |
| 18:21.55 | eightyeight | unum: which book are you reading in the series? did you start with "new spring'? |
| 18:33.46 | unum | eightyeight: I did start with new spring |
| 18:33.56 | unum | finished it last week and just started on eye of the world |
| 18:34.42 | eightyeight | nice |
| 18:35.58 | levi | eightyeight: Nice, congrats on making it through. :) |
| 18:36.26 | eightyeight | txh |
| 18:36.50 | levi | eightyeight: The history of the Numenorians puts the relationship of Elrond and Aragorn in an interesting light, doesn't it? |
| 18:37.22 | eightyeight | agreed |
| 18:37.30 | eightyeight | and elrond's brother |
| 18:37.54 | eightyeight | being "half-elves" (which was new to me), and one chosing the way of elf life, the other man |
| 18:38.25 | eightyeight | i was disappointed not learning the origin of the halflings though |
| 18:38.31 | bregalad | whatever, it's just a story |
| 18:38.48 | bregalad | <- irony |
| 18:39.17 | eightyeight | i'm guessing they're of human origin, separated from the gene pool long enough to create their own species |
| 18:39.19 | bregalad | eightyeight: have you read the unfinished tales, or whatever it's called? |
| 18:39.23 | eightyeight | maybe they're told about in another story though |
| 18:39.38 | eightyeight | bregalad: no. that and the children of hurin are on the TODO |
| 18:39.47 | eightyeight | but, i've heard they're even more difficult to get through |
| 18:39.50 | fozzmoo | jlp_znc: That's awesome. |
| 18:41.29 | levi | I think Children of Hurin is probably easier; Unfinished Tales is probably a bit harder but mostly because the tales are literally unfinished and there's a lot of editorial content surrounding them. |
| 18:42.03 | eightyeight | fair |
| 18:42.10 | levi | But if you've gone this far, you'll probably find the editorial content pretty interesting, so there's that. |
| 18:42.55 | levi | Now I've got to get back to collecting test data. Whee! |
| 18:43.02 | eightyeight | i needed a break from toliken though |
| 18:43.40 | eightyeight | i'll get back to it later. few other books i want to get through first though |
| 18:43.42 | eightyeight | shrug |
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| 18:45.03 | bregalad | I enjoyed the simulated authenticism in the Silmarillion that derives from the conflicting accounts |
| 18:48.14 | eightyeight | the story of beren and luthien was my favorite. turin turambar was good, such a tragedy. but i didn't get as involved with his story as i did with beren and luthien |
| 18:48.18 | programmerq | eightyeight: the hobbits are a subspecies of man, yes. I don't have a source to cite though. |
| 18:48.58 | eightyeight | programmerq: i guess i could consult the LOTR wiki, seeing as though it was my constant companion reading the silmarillion |
| 18:48.59 | eightyeight | heh |
| 18:49.24 | eightyeight | http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Hobbits |
| 18:50.03 | joshh | i almost bought silmarillion on saturday while at a bookstore |
| 18:50.38 | joshh | but got a hobbit copy for my kids instead |
| 18:55.50 | eightyeight | they're good reads. you just have to get used to tolkien story telling |
| 18:55.56 | eightyeight | which can be daunting at first, i think |
| 18:57.23 | bregalad | eightyeight: when I read that story I was listening to Bruckner's 8th symphony; it seemed like the perfect soundtrack |
| 18:57.31 | eightyeight | heh |
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| 19:39.43 | levi | eightyeight: The whole story theme of the Noldor and their behavior due to Feanor's oath was pretty tragic, too. |
| 19:40.40 | eightyeight | yeah. i didn't fully understand that, actually |
| 19:40.53 | eightyeight | why the oath was a curse |
| 19:41.19 | eightyeight | and, i didn't get the pull to the silmarils themselves. sure, fancy jewels, but i don't understand the lust for them |
| 19:42.38 | eightyeight | i guess they contained some of the light from the two trees of valinor |
| 19:42.46 | eightyeight | so, they had some influence in arda? |
| 19:43.04 | eightyeight | which i guess would make sense with melkor/morgoth trying to rule arda as his own |
| 19:43.22 | eightyeight | i did like their fate though |
| 19:43.42 | levi | I think it was more a matter of pride than actual value. |
| 19:44.18 | levi | Well, I should say 'usefulness' rather than value. Clearly they were extremely valued. |
| 19:45.08 | eightyeight | i am curious of their relationship, if any, to the arkenstone in the hobbit |
| 19:46.22 | levi | Yeah, there are definite parallels. |
| 19:46.28 | eightyeight | maybe the arkenstone is the silmaril that maedros tossed into the fiery pit? |
| 19:46.34 | eightyeight | as it was dug out of the mountain |
| 19:47.39 | levi | I doubt it was actually a silmaril. |
| 19:48.01 | eightyeight | it contained its own light though |
| 19:48.41 | eightyeight | possible: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Arkenstone#Appearance |
| 19:50.09 | levi | It's listed as a 'misconception' here: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Misconceptions |
| 19:51.03 | eightyeight | it was in the back of my mind the entire time reading the silmarillion |
| 19:51.05 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:51.09 | eightyeight | "could it be?" |
| 19:51.52 | levi | I think Thranduil would have taken a bit more interest in it had it been. |
| 19:52.23 | eightyeight | yeah. the argument that it would have hod ta geologically migrate north is an argument it's not |
| 19:53.07 | eightyeight | s/hod/had/ |
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| 19:55.19 | levi | Not to mention the fact that it's described how the Dwarves found the stone and *worked it* into its current state, which I don't think they'd have done to a silmaril. :) |
| 19:55.37 | eightyeight | and, it didn't burn their hands while touching it |
| 19:56.02 | RyanE | dudes, you really should post *spoiler alert!* on all your IRC postings for those of us who haven't read it yet. :) |
| 19:56.07 | RyanE | j/k |
| 19:56.13 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:56.27 | eightyeight | RyanE: you want to read it even more now, don't you? |
| 19:56.57 | RyanE | mildly |
| 19:57.01 | levi | That's kind of like saying, "hey, no spoilers for beowulf!" |
| 19:57.14 | RyanE | heh |
| 19:57.30 | RyanE | no spoilers for the bible. seriously. I may make it through Isaiah one of these times! |
| 20:02.17 | eightyeight | not that it diminishes from the story, but i was kind of hoping that the arkenstone was a silmaril |
| 20:02.19 | eightyeight | heh |
| 20:02.24 | eightyeight | shrug |
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| 20:13.17 | RyanE | eightyeight: I think it's one of the new "simaril mini". |
| 20:13.30 | RyanE | half the features, but just as shiny |
| 20:13.54 | eightyeight | sounds like an apple product |
| 20:14.08 | RyanE | yeah, I've heard the arkenstone only had a 2 hour battery life. |
| 20:14.18 | RyanE | that's why it was built into the throne, for charging purposes. |
| 20:14.35 | eightyeight | :) |
| 20:21.37 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 20:22.08 | jlp_znc | I remember reading the hobbit a number of years ago. started on the trilogy but only made it about half-way through the first book. |
| 20:22.28 | jlp_znc | I just kind of lost interest. I'm more into sci-fi than fantasy, I guess. |
| 20:22.46 | RyanE | I tried to read The Hobbit in Jr. High, couldn't get into it. Read all 3 LoTR books as an adult, then went back to The Hobbit... |
| 20:22.56 | jlp_znc | maybe I should try again |
| 20:23.01 | jlp_znc | naaahhhhh |
| 20:23.53 | Jayce^ | I was the opposite.. in Jr High I wanted to try reading tolkein.. quickly surveying the shelf I figured I'd start at the first book.... silmarrion.. |
| 20:24.04 | jlp_znc | heh heh |
| 20:24.11 | RyanE | ha! |
| 20:24.32 | RyanE | "The nerd is strong in this one..." |
| 20:24.38 | Jayce^ | ^^ |
| 20:26.55 | bregalad | that reminds me of how I taught myself to read music while learning Bach's little fugue in G moll |
| 20:27.08 | bregalad | not the easiest or wisest way to learn |
| 20:29.32 | bregalad | but when one hears E Power Biggs play, one simply cannot be dissuaded from learning Bach |
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| 21:28.35 | jlp_znc | http://oglaf.com/badger/ <- warning, while this particular episode is SFW, many many of the other ones are definitely NSFW. |
| 21:42.15 | goozbach | mornin |
| 21:43.22 | jlp_znc | what timezone are you in, goozbach? |
| 21:43.37 | bregalad | goozbach is out of time |
| 21:45.44 | goozbach | jlp_znc: crossing a timezone during the time change does that to a person |
| 21:45.49 | goozbach | and it's IRC standard time |
| 21:45.55 | goozbach | whenever you join is "morning" |
| 21:46.03 | goozbach | whenever you leave is 'gnight' |
| 21:46.15 | jlp_znc | I always thought that was "later" |
| 21:46.53 | goozbach | AKA universal greeting time |
| 21:46.55 | goozbach | http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 21:46.59 | RyanE | indeed. I use an Australian friend as a clock for when I should wrap up my work and think about heading home. :) |
| 21:47.31 | RyanE | he pops up in IRC with 'morning', I'm ready to leave work. |
| 21:55.56 | bregalad | ~pinky |
| 21:55.57 | infobot | Gat! |
| 21:57.05 | bregalad | ~brain |
| 21:57.06 | infobot | The game does not conclude until the woman with the eating disorder ululates. |
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