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| 01:47.52 | shalkie | This hotel wireless is making me sad. :( |
| 01:48.06 | shalkie | It is going to take HOURS to download a DVD.iso. |
| 01:49.12 | shalkie | In fact it makes me want to go home to my precious precious fiber. |
| 01:49.23 | shalkie | imagines petting the Utopia box. |
| 01:49.53 | shalkie | If it wasn't for the driving it would be faster for me to do that actually. |
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| 03:56.04 | jima | shalkie: <3 utopia |
| 03:56.16 | jima | also WOO LINUX INSTALL OVER iLO |
| 03:56.31 | jima | oops, media check over iso mounted over iLO |
| 03:56.44 | jima | it's like a 4x cdrom ;-) |
| 03:57.13 | jima | at least i didn't mount the iso over the vpn like *someone* once did |
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| 08:00.20 | bregalad | levi: if I do 'typedef int int_array[5]; int_array ia[3]', then for 'int i, j', what do i and j range over when used in 'ia' as 'ia[i][j]'? |
| 08:01.13 | bregalad | I suppose that the dimension coming from the typedef would be used first and then the second is the dimension coming from the variable declaration |
| 08:01.37 | bregalad | but I'm having trouble verifying this because C will happily traverse beyond the array boundary |
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| 18:00.33 | jima | man, i'm so behind the times. i didn't even know vconfig had been deprecated since its functionality is available in iproute2. |
| 18:01.42 | eightyeight | so, ubuntu 15.04 is officially moving to systemd(8) on monday |
| 18:02.18 | joshh | whoa jima, me neither |
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| 18:09.13 | jima | eightyeight: yeah, i've been dealing with systemd in fedora/centos for a while |
| 18:09.47 | jima | `yum install vconfig`...not found...whaaaaa? |
| 18:09.51 | eightyeight | with debian 8 releasing soon, all the big distros will be using it by default |
| 18:10.09 | jima | digging in, apparently the same ifcfg config files that worked with vconfig work with `ip` |
| 18:10.24 | jima | they just updated ifup (i think) |
| 18:10.59 | jima | oh, ffs, centos 6 used iproute2 for vlans, too |
| 18:11.02 | jima | WOW |
| 18:11.31 | jima | centos 5 used vconfig, yep |
| 18:11.53 | jima | wow, this has been going on for ~4 years, i'm so out of touch :-( |
| 18:12.43 | joshh | the vconfig providing package is called vlan on debians |
| 18:13.49 | jima | didn't know that...basically useless trivia now, unless their init scripts still use it :-) |
| 18:14.24 | jima | i'm starting to get the hang of firewalld, but there are some ipv6 features that seem to be missing |
| 18:15.20 | joshh | not familiar with firewalld either |
| 18:15.26 | joshh | i hate the firewall frontends in general |
| 18:16.06 | jima | centos 7 moved to firewalld |
| 18:16.16 | jima | it's more or less a wrapper around iptables/ip6tables |
| 18:16.36 | jima | it...took me more getting used to than i'd like to admit, but i'm progressing well enough now. |
| 18:16.38 | joshh | ive never understood the appeal of wrappers for it |
| 18:16.44 | levi | bregalad: sizeof works on array types |
| 18:16.46 | joshh | just makes it more complicated imo |
| 18:17.05 | jima | i think this might be a general direction like systemd, i'm not sure |
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| 18:18.13 | jima | the appeal is rule unification between ipv4 and ipv6, at least for me |
| 18:18.25 | levi | eightyeight: I love systemd for embedded Linux stuff. Makes startup fast and determinisitic, with all my dependencies managed correctly. |
| 18:18.58 | jima | firewalld has a notion of services, so for many workloads you don't have to manually give it ports |
| 18:19.32 | jima | it has different pre-defined zone profiles (public, dmz, internal, etc) with various services allowed by default |
| 18:20.16 | levi | bregalad: Also, I hate C type declaration syntax with a passion. |
| 18:20.42 | jima | levi: curmudgeon! |
| 18:20.54 | jima | ;-) |
| 18:21.04 | levi | It's not due to curmudgeonliness, it's due to the fact that it's really terrible. |
| 18:21.33 | levi | I mean, it's okay in simple cases, but it rapidly becomes completely terrible. |
| 18:22.16 | jima | don't worry, i don't have an actual opinion on the matter, the comment just seemed amusingly curmudgeony (even if it wasn't) :-) |
| 18:22.58 | levi | bregalad: Doing a typedef on a fixed length array is probably a bad idea anyway, because array types in C are stupid. |
| 18:23.45 | levi | If you don't understand that the type alias is hiding an array type, it may not do what you expect when used in a function signature. |
| 18:25.11 | levi | I.e. if you use sizeof on it in the scope in which it's defined, you'll get the proper array size. If you use sizeof in a function that received one as a parameter, you'll get the size of your platform's pointers. |
| 18:26.06 | levi | Because although C allows you to use array types in function parameter declarations, you don't actually *get* array types when you do so. |
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| 19:11.16 | jlp_znc | C and "arrays" are kind of ... not. |
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| 19:28.26 | bregalad | levi: I'm translating a C library into python |
| 19:28.40 | bregalad | I'm having some trouble unpacking the arcane typedefs |
| 19:30.07 | bregalad | but I'm also writing a tester that atomically compares each function's input and output |
| 19:35.49 | bregalad | is this a valid prototype, 'fcn(int arg[3][5])'? |
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| 19:44.04 | smcquay | eightyeight: levi: I have never added a service to systemd, so I don't yet know how it'll effect me that way. I do love rebooting my laptop though. zippy. |
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| 20:02.39 | eightyeight | smcquay: adding services with systemd(8) is easy |
| 20:02.43 | eightyeight | smcquay: btw, get my email? |
| 20:06.06 | smcquay | checks. |
| 20:06.36 | smcquay | eightyeight: apparently not |
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| 20:19.56 | levi | jlp_znc: C arrays *are* arrays, at least as long as you declare them in the same scope you need to use them. I.e., within a single compilation unit or a single function. |
| 20:20.42 | levi | But that imposes a rather onerous burden on the structure of your program. |
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| 20:21.15 | levi | So mostly you have to fall back to separately passing pointers and lengths. |
| 20:22.01 | levi | What C doesn't have is a type-level notion of a string. |
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| 20:26.58 | levi | smcquay: Adding a service to systemd is super-easy. |
| 20:28.27 | smcquay | can't wait. lunch |
| 20:29.02 | levi | Adding my recent project to systemd was a bit more involved, because it requires that a bluetooth interface is not only present but configured to be 'up'. |
| 20:43.32 | fungus | <troll sincerity="none">That's why Upstart is far superior to systemd, with it's event based system. </troll> |
| 20:52.07 | levi | Does anyone outside of Ubuntu use Upstart? |
| 20:55.52 | fungus | probably not. |
| 20:56.56 | bregalad | what about Downstop? |
| 20:57.17 | fungus | That's the best shutdown system around. |
| 20:57.40 | bregalad | better than systemd-stopd-nowd? |
| 20:59.02 | fungus | totally. It's fully buzzword supported. Asynchronous, Cloud, event driven, devops, stuff. |
| 20:59.25 | bregalad | wow ... devops too? |
| 20:59.53 | romanovic | wants Downstop |
| 21:00.59 | fungus | levi, I was wrong. a few others used Upstart: Chrome OS, Fedora (for a while), RHEL6, and webOS. |
| 21:01.01 | romanovic | every couple of months when working with VMs I manage to create a zombie process that will not die under any condition. I refuse to restart |
| 21:04.44 | levi | fungus: Huh, interesting. I've got nothing against Upstart, it just doesn't seem to have got enough traction to get the majority of Ubuntu packages switched to it. |
| 21:05.11 | fungus | agreed. I just learned about those others just now. |
| 21:06.12 | fungus | But I think the package adoption problem will apply equally to systemd. Unless Debian mandates all future packages to support it, which I doubt will happen. |
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| 22:02.53 | smcquay | eightyeight: now I'm curious about what you tried to mail me that I didn't get ... |
| 22:03.08 | eightyeight | heh |
| 22:03.09 | smcquay | levi: OEL6 has upstart |
| 22:03.40 | eightyeight | actually, i mistook you for another steve with a last name that starts with 'm' |
| 22:03.42 | eightyeight | :) |
| 22:03.45 | eightyeight | sooooo, nevermind |
| 22:03.47 | smcquay | haha! sweet |
| 22:04.14 | smcquay | ah, fungus responded about upstart. I'll learn how to irc one day. |
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| 23:39.27 | spangborn | ~lart youtah |
| 23:39.27 | infobot | explains, ever so gently, that if youtah doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |