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| 01:15.49 | jlp_znc | dun dun dun! |
| 01:16.19 | jlp_znc | perl 6, so different, it can't be used by anyone. |
| 01:19.47 | RyanE | So you're saying it's secure? |
| 01:28.10 | jlp_znc | exactly. secure like an unplugged machine. |
| 01:28.15 | jlp_znc | and as usable. |
| 01:42.02 | RyanE | I've *always* found Perl unusable. |
| 01:42.06 | RyanE | I'm ahead of the curve. |
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| 16:27.47 | Jayce^ | hipster RyanE |
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| 16:35.47 | RyanE | Pretty sure that's the first time I've ever been called that... :) |
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| 16:57.47 | jlp_znc | ~lart RyanE |
| 16:57.47 | infobot | installs a bad bootloader on RyanE and turns RyanE into a brick |
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| 17:57.32 | rsimpkins | I'm going to start typing with extra white space, that counts. This may be a new idea. Or really new. Or just kinda new. Or a sub-sub related idea. Now you're introuble. Where are we? |
| 17:58.32 | rsimpkins | Nothing like invisible code to remind a programmer they are dealing with a snake. |
| 18:08.01 | fozzmoo_ | screams |
| 18:10.18 | fozzmoo | screams |
| 18:11.00 | eightyeight | ~nacho |
| 18:11.00 | infobot | Why can't we ever have just, like, a salad? |
| 18:13.20 | fozzmoo | :) |
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| 18:25.15 | jlp_znc | ~worf |
| 18:25.15 | infobot | Today was not my day to die. |
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| 18:38.24 | tristanrhodes | rsimpkins, I had to highlight your whitespace to make sure there wasn't a secret messsage |
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| 19:09.23 | rsimpkins | tristanrhodes: Just don't copy/paste it. That will for sure mess up the code so bad you'll never be able to compile it. |
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| 19:41.47 | jlp_znc | http://youtu.be/6VGc2RdqulI |
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| 19:53.45 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 19:53.45 | infobot | throws neybar_work's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 19:54.04 | jlp_znc | well, that was mean. |
| 19:54.53 | sjansen | Yeah, we need an anti-botsnack. I'd call it botsmack. |
| 19:56.22 | jlp_znc | ~botsmack |
| 19:56.22 | infobot | OWW! |
| 19:56.31 | jlp_znc | that's boring. |
| 19:57.03 | bregalad | ~napoleon sjansen |
| 19:57.04 | infobot | ACTION hunts woverines in Alaska with sjansen's cousins |
| 19:57.52 | jlp_znc | ~botsmack |
| 19:57.53 | infobot | Ouch! Sorry, I won't do it again. Until next time. |
| 19:57.57 | jlp_znc | that's better |
| 20:03.26 | youtah | So |
| 20:03.27 | youtah | Howdy all |
| 20:04.50 | BloodyThorn | So, hello! |
| 20:09.45 | BloodyThorn | You need a starter. Dense, flamable material needs to be kept hot for a prolonged time to properly ignite. |
| 20:09.48 | BloodyThorn | Doh |
| 20:09.57 | BloodyThorn | Wrong channel :P |
| 20:10.09 | BloodyThorn | I don't multi-channel well these days :( |
| 20:14.05 | youtah | lol |
| 20:14.23 | BloodyThorn | Or should I say my mulit-channel is out of practice. |
| 20:14.42 | youtah | makes me think of BBQ |
| 20:15.26 | BloodyThorn | That's what we were talking about :) sorta. |
| 20:17.47 | youtah | That's what I'll pretend you were talking about |
| 20:20.09 | BloodyThorn | Well we were talking about doing it in a game and comparing it to reality. |
| 20:20.23 | youtah | BBQ? Sounds like an awesome game! |
| 20:20.25 | youtah | ;) |
| 20:20.43 | BloodyThorn | It is. |
| 20:33.28 | rsimpkins | BloodyThorn: Wait... there is actually a BBQ simulator game? |
| 20:33.59 | BloodyThorn | I have no idea. But I do know of numerous games that you cook things in. |
| 20:34.21 | rsimpkins | BloodyThorn: What game are you playing that has a BBQ component? |
| 20:34.49 | BloodyThorn | rsimpkins: Unreal World, sandbox, roguelike, survival. |
| 20:37.31 | rsimpkins | BloodyThorn: I haven't played Unreal World. I do like that style of game, however. Lately I've been playing The Long Dark and Don't Starve with my kids. |
| 20:38.04 | BloodyThorn | rsimpkins: Nice, the g/f and I have been playing Don't Starve Together a lot. Wanna try The Long Dark, just waiting for a sale. |
| 20:39.04 | rsimpkins | BloodyThorn: The Long Dark isn't quite finished, and it shows. That said, it has been fun if you don't mind constant attack by wolves. |
| 20:39.30 | rsimpkins | Animal behavior isn't quite realistic... let's put it that way. |
| 20:42.09 | RyanE | BBQ simulator will be handy in SF in the future: http://downtrend.com/71superb/sf-bay-area-to-consider-banning-backyard-bbqing/ |
| 20:42.40 | Jayce^ | serious.. he has those quotes, then "sorta BBQ"... and nobody thinks to make a meme of "pyro girl" with his quote?? |
| 20:43.23 | Jayce^ | http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/043/disaster-girl.jpg |
| 20:44.05 | rsimpkins | RyanE: There are no back yards in SF. So I doubt many people will care. |
| 20:46.54 | RyanE | I find that unlikely. |
| 20:47.42 | joshh | i have a backyard |
| 20:48.00 | jlp_znc | they are banning wood stoves in Salt Lake (that nepharious "they") |
| 20:48.03 | joshh | depends on if your neighborhood is apartments or houses |
| 20:48.21 | jlp_znc | it will be illegal to use your wood stove from November to March |
| 20:48.37 | asoc | jlp_znc: is that finalized now? |
| 20:48.43 | asoc | dumbest law ever |
| 20:48.57 | jlp_znc | I think it is supposed to take effect this november (2015) |
| 20:48.58 | asoc | * one of the dumbest |
| 20:49.28 | jlp_znc | why doesn't our state legislature just get back to declaring the official gun or pistol or rifle or something of the state and quit making laws that bother us? |
| 20:49.46 | asoc | They take no consideration of type of stoves and how they actually burn |
| 20:50.00 | jlp_znc | nope, even the highly efficient wood pellet stoves are out |
| 20:50.57 | joshh | didn't they already do the official gun? some browning model? |
| 20:51.07 | joshh | maybe it was a carl wimmer thing |
| 20:51.08 | jlp_znc | yeah |
| 20:51.16 | jlp_znc | they did do the official gun |
| 20:51.20 | joshh | i miss carl wimmer, so much entertainment |
| 20:51.30 | joshh | then he did the weird vegas job thing and vanished |
| 20:51.43 | jlp_znc | I just wish they would spend more time doing stuff like that so they have less time to screw with laws that actually affect how we live our lives |
| 20:54.06 | rsimpkins | jlp_znc: Give apathy a try. It is all the rage these days. |
| 20:54.15 | jlp_znc | :-/ |
| 20:54.19 | joshh | thats what i had to do eventually |
| 20:54.23 | joshh | caring didn't do my health any good |
| 20:54.44 | sjansen | grumbles in the general direction of salt's documentation |
| 20:57.07 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Example? |
| 20:58.39 | sjansen | The one I just finished troubleshooting is almost forgivable. |
| 20:59.35 | sjansen | The docs show salt-cloud iam_profile accepting a ARN but the code actually uses a Name. As it turns out, AWS Standard is willing to roll with it, but GovCloud is stricter. |
| 21:00.33 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I thought salt-cloud was still a WIP any how. True? |
| 21:00.50 | sjansen | Salt in general is still a WIP. |
| 21:02.42 | jalbretsen | It's great to be able to get the word "No" out of my mouth before the recruiter can finish asking if I'm interested in jobs at Overstock. |
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| 21:04.02 | BloodyThorn | Not a fun place to work? |
| 21:04.04 | jalbretsen | sjansen: Compared to when I was using Puppet regularly and having to go through their documentation, Salt's documentation is a masterpiece |
| 21:04.16 | jalbretsen | I've had too many friends and neighbors get burned by Overstock |
| 21:04.48 | bregalad | understock |
| 21:06.28 | programmerq | interesting. I actually interviewed there. |
| 21:10.57 | BloodyThorn | So... new to the channel so exuse the newbie type questions.... this channel is mostly a linux user group based in Utah? |
| 21:11.04 | jlp_znc | I interviewed there about 14 years ago. didn't get offered the job because they were looking for someone for their existing admin to "mentor" |
| 21:11.08 | eightyeight | salt docs need... work |
| 21:11.14 | jlp_znc | seemed I already knew about five times as much as he did. |
| 21:12.14 | bregalad | eightyeight: you're welcome to submit pull requests for documentation :-) |
| 21:12.24 | bregalad | actually, we just hired a documentation guy |
| 21:12.27 | eightyeight | bregalad: sure. with all the free time on my plate |
| 21:12.46 | joshh | chef has good docs |
| 21:13.02 | rsimpkins | BloodyThorn: More or less. Friends of #utah might be better. |
| 21:13.11 | rsimpkins | BloodyThorn: Are you in Utah? |
| 21:13.41 | joshh | the ex-utahns are the most cheerful |
| 21:13.44 | bregalad | haha |
| 21:13.48 | BloodyThorn | rsimpkins: Yeah, south Orem. Linux user too. UVU CS student. |
| 21:13.49 | joshh | jlp_znc: missing the 65 degree days? |
| 21:13.53 | jlp_znc | BloodyThorn: for example, I lived in California for six months, but was still in #utah. joshh lives there now and still hangs out here |
| 21:14.08 | jlp_znc | joshh: not really, no |
| 21:14.13 | bregalad | #utah hath no topic vigilantes |
| 21:14.17 | jalbretsen | Utah Linux Users and Utah Alumni Linux Users |
| 21:14.20 | BloodyThorn | jlp_znc: I lived in Texas most my life, moved here, then moved away, and now I am back. |
| 21:14.20 | joshh | we took the kids to some tide pools yesterday, saw several starfish and 2 octopuses |
| 21:14.33 | rsimpkins | BloodyThorn: There is a good network of local linux pros in here. Good for keeping track of what's going on in the state. |
| 21:14.35 | joshh | i do not miss snow and inversions |
| 21:14.49 | BloodyThorn | Once I get my degree, I am moving away again. :P |
| 21:15.07 | joshh | i lived in TX for one year |
| 21:15.08 | jalbretsen | Also, expect lots of random discussion about politics and religion |
| 21:15.20 | BloodyThorn | Isn't that everywhere though? |
| 21:15.22 | rsimpkins | BloodyThorn: Why move away? |
| 21:15.24 | joshh | it has a lot of positives, but wouldn't want to go back to somewhere inland and flat |
| 21:15.44 | jalbretsen | some days in here, Linux is "off topic" |
| 21:15.49 | jalbretsen | ;) |
| 21:16.00 | BloodyThorn | rsimpkins: No reason to stay, and I'd rather live somewhere I want to. Right now I am living somewhere I have to. Once the 'have to' is gone, then it moves to the 'want to' |
| 21:17.20 | jlp_znc | joshh: http://bit.ly/1xuIDpo <- taken last night while walking to the bus stop. Timp looked amazing poking into the clouds. |
| 21:17.31 | jlp_znc | nothing like that near "Mountain View" |
| 21:17.46 | joshh | ya the mountains are nice |
| 21:18.09 | jlp_znc | I always had to chuckle whenever I said "Mountain View" |
| 21:18.21 | joshh | mountain view wyoming also has them way off in the distance |
| 21:18.40 | BloodyThorn | I'm not a mountain person. More an ocean person. |
| 21:18.41 | jalbretsen | seems we need to change it up a bit with a good debate on who is better, Kirk or Picard |
| 21:18.49 | joshh | picard |
| 21:18.51 | rsimpkins | There are about a dozen reasons I enjoy working and living in Utah. But it is totally subjective. |
| 21:18.51 | joshh | not even a debate |
| 21:19.00 | BloodyThorn | Though I'm not hugely picky about where I move to, as long as it is somewhere I haven't really been. |
| 21:19.04 | jalbretsen | I know sjansen will say Janeway |
| 21:19.07 | jlp_znc | http://bit.ly/1xuJ2Ih <- got this one from the parking lot at the office. |
| 21:19.14 | rsimpkins | jalbretsen: I am in the Janeway camp as well. |
| 21:19.35 | RyanE | I don't have a camp, but Janeway sounds like she was a 3-pack-a-day smoker for her life. |
| 21:19.40 | joshh | i just don't like snow on the roads |
| 21:19.49 | RyanE | most of the time, it's not on the roads. |
| 21:19.59 | joshh | i also dislike cold |
| 21:20.04 | RyanE | well, there's that |
| 21:20.16 | BloodyThorn | Yeah, I am more a sub-tropics person myself. |
| 21:20.17 | jlp_znc | it's been really mild this winter |
| 21:20.18 | joshh | so utah has the mountains |
| 21:20.24 | joshh | but i think overall this area has better "beauty" |
| 21:20.47 | joshh | things tend to be greener, there is the bay and ocean, lots of hills that are pretty impressive looking and fairly rugged |
| 21:20.58 | sjansen | jalbretsen: Actually, I don't care about Star Wars. |
| 21:21.22 | joshh | and the city there is quite ugly in most areas |
| 21:21.29 | jlp_znc | I do have to admit that this is pretty cool: http://bit.ly/1xuJxSI |
| 21:22.03 | joshh | my favorite day trip from slc was the mirror lake highway, which is only possible for part of the year |
| 21:22.06 | sjansen | San Francisco is awesome, but its cost of living ain't. |
| 21:22.17 | joshh | here there is pt reyes, muir woods, big sur, etc |
| 21:22.39 | joshh | tahoe is close enough also |
| 21:22.43 | jalbretsen | sjansen: BLASPHEMY!!! |
| 21:22.58 | romanovic | joshh: I agree about the beauty part. I love the moderate temps in the bay area, having the fog roll in, and the green. |
| 21:23.02 | joshh | ya the cheapness is a plus for utah |
| 21:23.31 | joshh | its easily the biggest reason californians move there, but they also move to denver and portland etc |
| 21:23.54 | jlp_znc | Portland is pretty nice, but I like to pump my own gas. |
| 21:24.06 | joshh | its nice to be able to do outdoor activities year round with at most a light jacket |
| 21:24.18 | joshh | i mean i think it's huge |
| 21:24.42 | joshh | i do sometimes miss hot summer nights though |
| 21:24.57 | joshh | but that does exist 20 miles any direction |
| 21:26.44 | joshh | when i think about moving back to utah i wonder where i would work (there are a handful of decent places, but not the amazing selection of here), and i know i would hate the dry cold air, and horrible beer laws |
| 21:27.10 | BloodyThorn | Ugh, dry...cold... Yeah, I wish I could graduate faster... |
| 21:27.44 | joshh | my daughter i think has some borderline asthma thing, and had some breathing issues there that doesn't here |
| 21:28.24 | joshh | doctors thought she had weak lungs but she's just fine here |
| 21:28.45 | BloodyThorn | I don't remember ever having air-born allergies until I lived in Utah. |
| 21:29.01 | BloodyThorn | Apparently I am very allergic to the weed pollen here. |
| 21:29.10 | joshh | it was only winter that really sucked for her there |
| 21:29.12 | Jayce^ | most people don't develop allergies until late teens to mid twenties |
| 21:29.21 | BloodyThorn | Though the tons of cedar pollen back where I used to live didn't bug me at all. |
| 21:29.25 | Jayce^ | often tied to a move |
| 21:29.30 | BloodyThorn | Jayce^: I'm 43. |
| 21:29.43 | Jayce^ | still common, but yeah.. |
| 21:29.46 | sjansen | joshh: If you're on the coast, you might as well be breathing pure O2 from a canister compared to breathing in Utah. |
| 21:29.52 | joshh | ya |
| 21:29.54 | Jayce^ | I've developed new ones with each regional move I've done |
| 21:30.03 | joshh | we basically breathe the ocean breeze all day |
| 21:30.04 | BloodyThorn | I've been fairly allergy free most my life... until I moved here. |
| 21:30.23 | joshh | except for when some high pressure system causes some stagnant smoggy air |
| 21:30.59 | joshh | so instead of my daughter being inside a heated house all winter and trying to breathe, she can be in a tshirt or sweatshirt at the park or beach |
| 21:31.20 | joshh | but ya, the cost of living is rough |
| 21:31.41 | joshh | but, you can still do it if you have a good job |
| 21:31.47 | sjansen | And anyone who complains about I-15 hasn't driven the 101. |
| 21:32.13 | BloodyThorn | Meh, I lived in Houston most of my life. I'd have to move to Atlanta, LA or New York to have traffic that compares. |
| 21:32.16 | Jayce^ | or Sepulveda |
| 21:32.40 | joshh | this area has a few bad traffic hotspots that are predictably bad at certain times, but it's not as bad as LA overall |
| 21:33.09 | joshh | personally i've never been on 101 during rush hour, but plenty of other times, and usually go 75 |
| 21:33.19 | BloodyThorn | When I lived in Houston, I lived in the NW, worked in West Houston. At 3am I could make the journey in 20 minutes. During the time I had to go to work however, it took nearly 2 hours. |
| 21:33.51 | joshh | its fairly slow on the way to the bay bridge much of the time though, but only takes 10 extra minutes |
| 21:34.21 | joshh | BloodyThorn: i lived in the dfw area for that one year and it was similar |
| 21:34.31 | BloodyThorn | Yeah, Dallas is pretty insane too. |
| 21:35.20 | jlp_znc | man, the 101 around Mountain View was crazy in both morning and evening. only really two exits that get you to the google and linkedin campuses, and they are always backed up |
| 21:35.47 | jlp_znc | I was glad I didn't drive there. Caltrain worked quite well for me. |
| 21:37.18 | joshh | ya, i don't drive to work, but do quite a bit outside of that |
| 21:37.38 | joshh | i do get dropped off by my wife now and then, but traffic within SF generally isn't too bad |
| 21:38.04 | jlp_znc | I lived within walking distance of the San Jose Diridon station. linkedin paid for a caltrain pass for everyone and also ran a shuttle from the mountain view station to the office. it worked well enough. |
| 21:38.34 | joshh | caltrain is good, but needs to run more frequently |
| 21:38.47 | jlp_znc | when they do the modernization to all electric, it will be amazing. |
| 21:39.06 | jlp_znc | they were talking about being able to run trains 10 minutes apart |
| 21:39.48 | jlp_znc | UTA really needs to take a page from VTA and Muni, though, regarding bus service connecting with their trains. |
| 21:40.25 | Jayce^ | if you're efficient, it's hard to claim you need more money... |
| 21:40.35 | bregalad | you mean someone does transit better than UTA? nowai! |
| 21:40.35 | jlp_znc | if my train in the morning is even four minutes late, I can either walk from the provo station 40 minutes, or wait an hour for the next bus. |
| 21:40.57 | jlp_znc | bregalad: I think *everyone* does transit better than UTA |
| 21:41.22 | RuShan | Asia and Europe still do better than the US with transit |
| 21:41.25 | joshh | the differences between muni and trax are interesting |
| 21:41.37 | jlp_znc | this morning, I observed busses pulling out of the station just as two trax trains were arriving. if people on those trains needed any of those busses, they were waiting at least 20-40 minutes for the next one. |
| 21:41.47 | jlp_znc | just stupid... have the bus wait there for five more minutes. |
| 21:41.52 | joshh | why are you not driving to work in utah? |
| 21:42.22 | bregalad | joshh: money, exercise |
| 21:42.30 | jlp_znc | well, we only had one working car (had, as in, now we have zero working cars :-) |
| 21:42.58 | jlp_znc | our old van finally gave up the ghost on Sunday afternoon. my wife and I are going car shopping this weekend. |
| 21:43.09 | Jayce^ | jlp_znc: on days that you're late, that's when you call goozbach for a ride |
| 21:43.12 | joshh | heh |
| 21:43.13 | jlp_znc | I can't complain, it had about 220k miles on it |
| 21:43.24 | jlp_znc | I should get goozbach's number! |
| 21:43.38 | jlp_znc | his office is, like, two doors down from mine |
| 21:43.50 | joshh | wait till slc gets uberpool |
| 21:44.09 | jlp_znc | uber will be nice. I only used it once in California, but it was sure handy. |
| 21:44.49 | jlp_znc | I think it would be cool if UTA would fund something like zipcars... have a bunch of electric cars at each station, you can rent them for, say, $10 for a 10 hour period |
| 21:45.19 | jlp_znc | you get into the station, hop in an electric commuter, drive the last few miles to work, drive back at the end of the day. you maybe use it at lunch time, too. |
| 21:45.57 | jlp_znc | you don't have to worry about gas (all electric) or insurance, and you're paying about the same as you would for a car payment ($200-ish/month) |
| 21:46.09 | jlp_znc | and UTA gets to say "look how amazing we are for the environment!" |
| 21:46.18 | jlp_znc | hmmm, who at UTA do I call about this idea? |
| 21:47.03 | joshh | doesn't the UTA head make like 350k? |
| 21:47.24 | joshh | i remember some story about how he's one of the nations highest paid transit people |
| 21:47.32 | jlp_znc | yeah, we could take his salary and use it to buy the fleet of cars! |
| 21:48.05 | jlp_znc | I'm thinking a flock of these: http://www.smartusa.com/models/electric-drive/overview.aspx |
| 21:48.42 | jlp_znc | a co-worker at linkedin had one of those and loved it (not the convertible, but an all electric smart car) |
| 21:49.42 | joshh | have you seen this one? https://www.flickr.com/photos/127263169@N06/ |
| 21:51.21 | jlp_znc | what is that, an enclosed motor cycle? |
| 21:51.27 | jlp_znc | can you split lanes while driving that thing? |
| 21:51.42 | jlp_znc | at first, I thought it was some lens artifact :-) |
| 21:51.55 | joshh | it was in a scene on silicon valley, the VC guy was using it to fit between cars on the way out of a crowded lot |
| 21:57.19 | jlp_znc | cool |
| 22:00.45 | SunSparc | I will take the Tesla instead. |
| 22:02.04 | jlp_znc | heh, UTA comment form says "Please refrain from use of profanity in your comment." |
| 22:02.35 | jlp_znc | I guess they usually only get one type of comment. :-) |
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| 22:04.07 | goozbach | jlp_znc: yes call me! |
| 22:04.20 | bregalad | jlp_znc: hahaha |
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| 23:19.28 | unum | we just got a hybrid highlander |
| 23:19.40 | unum | for our family car |
| 23:19.52 | unum | #3 is due in march so we needed something bigger |
| 23:20.08 | unum | I'm thinking of getting a volt when we trade in the corrola |
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| 23:22.58 | unum | incase you missed the training from libertas http://www.acluutah.org/about-us/item/940-citizen-lobbyist-training :) |
| 23:23.19 | unum | or was that conversation in a different channel |
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