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| 16:18.06 | programmerq | anybody know what the attendence is usually like these days at PLUG meetings? |
| 16:19.02 | RyanE | last ones I went to (2-3 months ago), it was < a dozen. |
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| 16:33.00 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
| 16:33.00 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
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| 16:40.35 | eightyeight | ~nacho |
| 16:40.35 | infobot | Do you remember when the people were shouting my name and I used my strength to rip my blouse? |
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| 17:07.28 | jlp_znc | ~moss |
| 17:07.29 | infobot | Hello, IT... Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot? |
| 17:24.19 | bregalad | ~worf |
| 17:24.20 | infobot | We cannot regain honor by acting dishonorably. |
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| 17:28.11 | jlp_znc | ~roy |
| 17:28.11 | infobot | Shut up, do what I tell you, I'm not interested; these are just some of the things you'll be hearing if you answer this ad. I'm an idiot and I don't care about anyone but myself. P.S. No dogs! |
| 17:41.20 | eightyeight | oooh. a ~worf? do we have a ~data? ~spock? ~kirk? ~picard? ~janeway? ~arch? |
| 17:41.30 | eightyeight | ALL TEH STAR TREK THINGS |
| 17:44.04 | bregalad | well, eightyeight just lost the next 1.5 hours of his day |
| 17:44.25 | bregalad | ~yoda |
| 17:44.25 | infobot | Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. |
| 17:44.40 | bregalad | ~literal cmd yoda |
| 17:44.51 | bregalad | ~literal yoda |
| 17:44.51 | infobot | "yoda" is "<reply> see emulate yoda" |
| 18:13.07 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tVgdFJhBA8 <- Worf on Klingon courtship |
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| 18:16.18 | programmerq | "He ducks a lot" |
| 18:16.25 | programmerq | Haha. I forgot about that |
| 18:20.02 | jlp_znc | my favorite line |
| 19:12.57 | levi | Woo, I have finally got my silly bit of javascript/React gui to work the way I want it to. |
| 19:14.28 | levi | There's a box of rolled dice that can be dragged to various slots and then swapped around between slots. |
| 19:14.42 | levi | And the dragging works with both the mouse and touch events. |
| 19:29.23 | levi | Browsers suck for making guis. :P |
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| 19:40.03 | rsimpkins | levi: Invent the wgui browser. Where a full UI framework loads like the web. |
| 19:41.30 | levi | That's been done several times before, including a few times *on top of* the web. |
| 19:50.04 | rsimpkins | levi: I have faith that you'll do a better job at it. And it might actually catch on. :) |
| 19:51.16 | Jayce^ | this is open-source.. if it's done once, it's done a hundred times |
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| 19:53.29 | levi | rsimpkins: Sun's NeWS, for example, would run applications in a way that's very similar to the client/server split of modern web applications. But the front-end was essentially PostScript with some interactive extensions. |
| 19:55.22 | levi | rsimpkins: http://www.donhopkins.com/drupal/taxonomy/term/43 |
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| 20:04.21 | levi | Huh, apparently my employer had a private concert featuring KISS at CES. :P |
| 20:08.33 | RyanE | Doesn't Harmon always put concerts on for CES? |
| 20:09.29 | jsmith | levi: Ah, good ol' "display postscript"... isn't that what NeXT used as well? |
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| 20:10.29 | levi | RyanE: Probably, but they don't always feature KISS. |
| 20:11.21 | levi | jsmith: They're similar in concept, but NeWS was done first and independently. |
| 20:11.38 | jsmith | levi: Of course it was :-) |
| 20:13.23 | levi | That's not meant as a slight to NeXT or DP, they're just not the same thing. |
| 20:13.26 | jsmith | levi: <sarcasm>I can't imagine anybody from NeXT taking a good idea, putting some marketing spit-shine on it, and trying to sell it as their own great idea...</sarcasm> |
| 20:18.23 | levi | NeWS was also worked on and was co-invented by one James Gosling, now famous for other things. :P |
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| 20:24.29 | levi | Huh, apparently the Pixar Image Computer ran a variant of NeWS. |
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| 20:26.55 | levi | Pixar was originally the Lucasfilm Computer Division. Didn't know that. |
| 20:30.20 | levi | Ed Catmull (who is currently President of Pixar and Walt Disney Animation Studios) was hired by Lucas to start the Comupter Division and create powerful new hardware to do crazy (at the time) stuff like non-linear editing and such. |
| 20:32.03 | levi | He lived in Utah during a goot part of his youth; his father was principal of Granite High and then Taylorsville High, and he studied physics and CS at the U. |
| 20:33.39 | levi | And he is one of the two guys the Catmull-Rom spline is named after. |
| 20:34.25 | levi | Catmull-Rom splines are cool. |
| 20:58.41 | youtah | for harleypig https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=916967558329547&set=vb.113844951975149&type=2&theater |
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| 21:12.12 | rsimpkins | youtah: I give this random Internet dance 1.25 stars, and a free haircut. |
| 21:12.53 | levi | So, Jobs may well have got the idea to use DPS in NeXT from the use of NeWS on the Pixar Image Computer, which he owned at the time. |
| 21:21.47 | jlp_znc | youtah: male or female? |
| 21:32.36 | goozbach | so turns out Coraid shut it's doors yesterday |
| 21:32.52 | goozbach | makes me sad for the folks losing jobs, but happy I didn't bother buying out my options |
| 21:33.45 | goozbach | ~seen fcodiaz |
| 21:33.49 | infobot | i haven't seen 'fcodiaz', goozbach |
| 21:35.27 | tvc123 | goozbach: bummer ... and good call |
| 21:37.05 | levi | What did Coraid do? |
| 21:42.07 | youtah | http://shipyourenemiesglitter.com/ |
| 21:43.25 | eightyeight | goozbach: heh |
| 21:43.35 | eightyeight | goozbach: to be fair, their hardware was _pricey_ |
| 21:44.27 | eightyeight | levi: they provided hardware "solutions" for ata-over-ethernet |
| 21:45.44 | eightyeight | goozbach: do you have a link? did they go bankrupt, or ? |
| 21:45.49 | goozbach | eightyeight: but not nearly as pricy as EMC or the like |
| 21:46.03 | youtah | bad goozbach ! |
| 21:46.07 | youtah | You're not paying attention! |
| 21:46.12 | eightyeight | EMC, NetApp, etc is old-skool storage |
| 21:46.18 | youtah | Don't you understand, or realize the power of http://shipyourenemiesglitter.com/ ?!?!?!??!??!?!?!?! |
| 21:46.33 | goozbach | eightyeight: vast layoff at a minimum |
| 21:46.42 | jlp_znc | makes note of youtah's home address |
| 21:46.49 | youtah | I moved |
| 21:46.57 | jlp_znc | no, you didn't |
| 21:47.00 | eightyeight | goozbach: did you get just an email? |
| 21:47.06 | eightyeight | goozbach: i'm not seeing anything online |
| 21:47.06 | jlp_znc | you will, though |
| 21:47.10 | goozbach | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/15/coraid_struggling_say_sources/ |
| 21:47.17 | goozbach | deleted facebook and twitter |
| 21:47.40 | goozbach | got a txt msg yesterday |
| 21:47.55 | goozbach | that reg article is the only "public" knowledge |
| 21:49.36 | goozbach | doesn't actually suprize me |
| 21:49.39 | eightyeight | this is why, imo, proprietary storage solutions are always a risk, even for "established" corporations |
| 21:49.40 | jlp_znc | Aw, "Purchasing has been temporarily suspended. You guys have a sick fascination with shipping people glitter." |
| 21:50.12 | eightyeight | as soon as they shut their doors, you must now turn to 3rd party support, while coming up with a plan to migrate your data |
| 21:50.13 | goozbach | lots of "silicon valley thinking" applied to a "non-valley" startup |
| 21:50.14 | youtah | I have already designed my own glitter shipping extraordinaire container jlp_znc |
| 21:50.38 | goozbach | you'll remember those old rattlesnake eggs gags? |
| 21:50.50 | goozbach | washer, rubber band, paperclip and envelope? |
| 21:50.50 | eightyeight | ? |
| 21:50.58 | goozbach | combine that with shipping glitter |
| 21:50.59 | eightyeight | heh |
| 21:51.20 | goozbach | bzzzzzzz -- shite! |
| 21:51.58 | eightyeight | hopefully, the community picks up the open source aoe stuff |
| 21:52.01 | eightyeight | it is actually really cool |
| 21:52.57 | eightyeight | probably not though. iSCSI is the established standard |
| 21:57.10 | goozbach | http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn-uk/news/2390545/coraid-ceo-speaks-out-over-financial-problems?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed |
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| 22:07.02 | jima | i used aoe at my last job |
| 22:07.39 | jima | i actually brought aoetools and vbladed (?) to fedora (goozbach may or may not remember that discussion) |
| 22:08.05 | jima | of course, my former employer was too much of a cheap-ass to actually buy any coraid appliances, so that didn't help matters any |
| 22:08.52 | eightyeight | unless you're the government, or a megacorp, it's hard to justify expensive, proprietary, legacy storage |
| 22:09.11 | jima | my current employer is heavily invested in iscsi (with some FC), so that's kind of a non-starter, too |
| 22:09.22 | eightyeight | crowded market |
| 22:09.33 | jima | it really is, and there are a LOT of niche players |
| 22:09.48 | jima | i did like the simplicity of aoe, to be honest. |
| 22:09.52 | eightyeight | ++ |
| 22:10.08 | eightyeight | it's pretty trivial to setup and get running on a linux server, compared to iscsi |
| 22:10.26 | goozbach | jima: I do remember that! |
| 22:10.37 | jima | most of my iscsi initiators are either esxi or windows, so i don't feel too much pain from it. |
| 22:11.00 | jima | goozbach: yeah, small world, with me ending up moving to utah |
| 22:11.20 | goozbach | I'm so very happy I didn't buy out my options |
| 22:11.33 | goozbach | and from now on it's stock or just pay me more |
| 22:11.55 | levi | Proprietary == expensive in the electronics hardware world. |
| 22:12.08 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 22:13.08 | levi | This is essentially why my employer pays me to work on supporting developing hardware/software standards. |
| 22:15.19 | levi | Oh, hey, speaking of which: a document I wrote for the AVnu Alliance has been published: http://avnu.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/AVnu_Stream-Reservation-Protocol-v1.pdf |
| 22:15.30 | eightyeight | nice |
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| 22:15.55 | levi | Ugh, they busted the link to it on the redesigned site. That link is fixed, though. |
| 22:17.44 | levi | My coworker, Craig Gunther, was the editor for 802.Qat, which is where the protocol described in the pdf I linked to is specified. |
| 22:18.43 | levi | It's basically guaranteed bandwidth reservation across Ethernet bridges (i.e. switches). |
| 22:20.38 | levi | Or rather, the protocol that establishes reservations. The forwarding/queueing mechanisms to support the reservations were 802.1Qav. |
| 22:21.36 | unum | well my fedora install are almost as good as my debian installs now |
| 22:21.54 | levi | There's also a precise time sync protocol based on IEEE 1588, which is 802.1Qas. And then there's a media transport protocol, IEEE 1722. |
| 22:21.58 | unum | I think linphone is going to be a tough sell over sflphone |
| 22:22.05 | unum | mostly because of window size..... |
| 22:22.16 | unum | actually only because of window size.... |
| 22:22.27 | unum | mayb I should look at increase resolution |
| 22:22.37 | unum | and learning to speak english |
| 22:27.00 | eightyeight | unum: why do you think your fedora install is almost as good as your debian one? |
| 22:28.40 | unum | eightyeight: well it looks almost identical and takes the same amount of work to install |
| 22:28.53 | unum | though it took me much longer to figure out how do it with fedora |
| 22:30.56 | eightyeight | i actually like the anaconda installer, minus one nitpick- if can't "rescan" disks, if i decide to setup things manually from the shell |
| 22:36.11 | unum | in retrospect they needed the same thing for the pxe boot |
| 22:36.42 | unum | but I got it working on the first try with debian and somehow messed it up with fedora |
| 22:37.02 | unum | I did have an easier time getting pressed to do what I want then kickstart |
| 22:37.39 | unum | I just whish slfphone was a core part of fedora |
| 22:38.23 | jima | can't load up the full repo in kickstart? |
| 22:41.01 | eightyeight | i am not a fan of preseed |
| 22:41.09 | eightyeight | kickstart > pressed |
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| 23:30.17 | goozbach | hey! |
| 23:30.23 | goozbach | he-ohhh! |
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| 23:38.50 | shalkie | goozbach ! |
| 23:38.57 | youtah | goozbach ! |
| 23:39.02 | shalkie | You live! |
| 23:39.10 | youtah | I see goozbach all the time |
| 23:39.34 | youtah | He even cuddled with me one time for a free hamburger |
| 23:39.46 | shalkie | I haven't seen goozbach since the days when UTOSC was at SLC Miller and he did choose your own adventure. |
| 23:40.09 | youtah | Sounds like you need to offer him a hamburger for a snuggle |
| 23:40.14 | shalkie | Huh, so is that the kind of bonding program they do at bluehost? |
| 23:40.28 | youtah | This isn't a work related thing |
| 23:40.33 | youtah | it's something Jayce^ started |
| 23:40.51 | shalkie | Oh, well that suddenly makes more and less sense all at the same time. |
| 23:40.59 | youtah | ^ |
| 23:41.24 | jnbek | lol |
| 23:44.15 | shalkie | Hey so everyone probably knows but OpenWest CFP scheduled to end THIS month! |
| 23:44.42 | unum | atoponce: figured it out nevermind |
| 23:44.49 | youtah | College Football Playoffs? |
| 23:44.53 | unum | just doing an rsync to the fedora mirror |
| 23:45.09 | unum | I think I found a guide that told me how much space it took up |
| 23:45.20 | unum | I'm just syncing i386 21 |
| 23:45.42 | atoponce | ah |
| 23:45.43 | youtah | Certified Financial Planner? |
| 23:46.32 | youtah | shalkie, you wouldn't believe that goozbach did for a chocolate shake |
| 23:47.03 | youtah | Caring For People? |
| 23:47.13 | youtah | Call For Puppies? |
| 23:47.36 | youtah | Candy Factory Producers? |
| 23:47.48 | youtah | Common Fisheries Policy? |
| 23:48.15 | youtah | You guys are killing me!!! I wanna know what shalkie is talking about!!! |
| 23:48.33 | youtah | Call for Penguins? |
| 23:48.34 | shalkie | Call for Papers. |
| 23:48.46 | youtah | ;) |
| 23:49.13 | youtah | It's late in the day |
| 23:49.16 | youtah | I am getting slap happy |
| 23:49.43 | shalkie | Happy slapping could get you into all kinds of hilarious fun adventures... |
| 23:49.47 | shalkie | Or handcuffs. |
| 23:50.04 | shalkie | Fun for us, the viewer, either way as long as you keep the tweets rolling. |
| 23:50.23 | youtah | Oh great... now a bunch of guys are going to have to go take a cold shower after talk like that |
| 23:52.20 | shalkie | Hey this isn't the Deseret Gymnasium. |
| 23:52.51 | shalkie | And I think I need to step away from the youtah. |
| 23:53.00 | youtah | LOL |
| 23:53.02 | shalkie | tip toes back to normalish |
| 23:53.12 | youtah | normalishness* |
| 23:56.23 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/Iq8E1Yo.png |
| 23:57.20 | shalkie | It is like someone looked at the Jack in the Box after midnight menu and thought "How about a pizza version...." |
| 23:57.29 | youtah | lol |
