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| 16:55.23 | davido_ | Salt Lake Perl Mongers is tonight: http://saltlake.pm.org |
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| 20:59.47 | youtah | Can you guys imagine the PR nightmare Disney must be going through? http://www.ksl.com/?sid=33085321&nid=1206&title=26-measles-cases-reported-with-ties-to-disney-theme-parks&s_cid=queue-11 |
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| 21:01.37 | joshh | i wonder if the parents regret being antivaxxers now |
| 21:08.32 | bregalad | probably not |
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| 21:18.44 | youtah | https://www.lds.org/ensign/1985/07/random-sampler/immunizations-a-reminder |
| 21:25.18 | harleypig | hmmmm ... so even with heard immunity peope are getting the measles? |
| 21:25.34 | harleypig | wait, how do you know the parents were anti-vaxxers? |
| 21:26.40 | harleypig | ah, nm ... found it |
| 21:27.35 | levi | LambdaLounge is also tonight: http://www.meetup.com/Lambda-Lounge-Utah/ |
| 21:32.42 | levi | The stupid is strong in the comments on that article. :P |
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| 21:33.21 | joshh | heard immunity? |
| 21:33.26 | sjansen | herd |
| 21:33.37 | joshh | herd immunity? |
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| 21:35.05 | Jayce^ | no, he done herd 'bout munity.. |
| 21:35.05 | bregalad | hurd immunity |
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| 21:35.12 | {-} | If a sufficient number of people are immune, you don't actually need to get immunized because disease won't spread far enough to reach you. |
| 21:35.12 | {-} | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity |
| 21:35.19 | joshh | ah |
| 21:35.43 | Oberon4278 | Well... you do still need to get vaccinated though. That's how herd immunity is maintained. |
| 21:35.51 | RyanE | unless you happen to go somewhere that a lot of people come from various parts of the world. |
| 21:35.55 | RyanE | like DisneyLand/World/etc. |
| 21:36.13 | RyanE | herd immunity is fine if the herd is large enough, and you never stray to the edge of the herd. :) |
| 21:36.17 | RyanE | hard to do in these days. |
| 21:37.00 | Guest41251 | Anti-vaxxers have been able to avoid serious consequences in the past because everyone else protected them. As their propaganda has spread, their free ride has ended. |
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| 21:37.43 | goozbach | I blame stupid |
| 21:40.59 | Oberon4278 | The herd immunity threshold for measles is 83-94%, which doesn't leave much room for idiots |
| 21:40.59 | Oberon4278 | And 92-94% for whooping cough |
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| 21:43.45 | sjansen | wonders if the oddly suspicious split timing is par of a conspiracy |
| 21:43.45 | sjansen | s/par/part/ |
| 21:43.45 | levi | sjansen: They announced some maintenance on the network just before they started. |
| 21:43.45 | sjansen | levi: That just what *they* want you to believe. |
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| 21:49.45 | youtah | Loved your comment sjansen |
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| 22:03.49 | harleypig | wow ... that was a bad typo on my part. |
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| 22:05.57 | eightyeight | ~lart harleypig |
| 22:05.57 | infobot | says "boot to the head" and knocks harleypig over |
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| 22:15.37 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
| 22:15.37 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 22:16.28 | jlp_znc | ~moss |
| 22:16.29 | infobot | Did you see that ludicrous display last night? |
| 22:19.01 | eightyeight | ~nacho |
| 22:19.02 | infobot | The people here think I don't know a buttload of crap about the gospel, but I do! |
| 22:20.10 | Oberon4278 | Mmm mmm mmmm. |
| 22:20.13 | Oberon4278 | I do love me a good tableflip. |
| 22:24.24 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 22:24.24 | infobot | executes killall -TERM siel |
| 22:38.43 | eightyeight | what's wrong with this picture? http://ae7.st/p/53d |
| 22:40.48 | neybar_work | you can't tell? -ssl2 is supposed to be -ssl2... err |
| 22:46.24 | jlp_znc | eightyeight: "openssl version" says? |
| 22:46.38 | eightyeight | irrelevant |
| 22:46.43 | jlp_znc | it works on my machine (WOMM certified!) |
| 22:47.44 | jlp_znc | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/the-works-on-my-machine-certification-program.html |
| 22:48.12 | eightyeight | if '-ssl2' is not supported, then the docs should reflect that |
| 22:48.15 | jlp_znc | maybe "which openssl"? |
| 22:48.49 | sjansen | eightyeight: There is no documentation but the source code. Anything else is just and elaborate prank. |
| 22:50.22 | eightyeight | apparently |
| 22:50.25 | RyanE | or an unjust and elaborate prank |
| 22:50.28 | Oberon4278 | Okay, can someone remind me why floating point numbers are so difficult to work with? |
| 22:50.29 | joshh | -ssl2 works on my mac, but not the linux i just tried |
| 22:50.34 | joshh | although -ssl3 does |
| 22:50.37 | joshh | weird |
| 22:51.28 | Oberon4278 | Like, why can't 1.9 be represented accurately? |
| 22:52.08 | jlp_znc | eightyeight: works on my mac (OpenSSL 0.9.8za) and on a CentOS 6.6 machine (OpenSSL 1.0.1e-fips) |
| 22:52.27 | joshh | of course it does have a handshake failure with ssl2 |
| 22:52.31 | joshh | but the arg does work |
| 22:53.05 | jlp_znc | Oberon4278: it's because of the way floating point numbers are represented as a mantissa and exponent (in base 2) |
| 22:53.10 | eightyeight | "OpenSSL 1.0.1k 8 Jan 2015" is my version. |
| 22:53.23 | jlp_znc | well, there's your problem! |
| 22:53.23 | eightyeight | regardless, if you remove a feature, make sure the docs reflect reflect that fact |
| 22:53.26 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 22:53.28 | eightyeight | bitches |
| 22:53.29 | sjansen | Oberon4278: The short answer is efficiency. The long answer is learning how floating point is represented as binary. |
| 22:53.44 | eightyeight | ~lart the openssl devs for not updating their documentation |
| 22:53.44 | infobot | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, the openssl devs!" and lops off the openssl devs's head for not updating their documentation |
| 22:53.48 | jlp_znc | Oberon4278: http://floating-point-gui.de/basic/ |
| 22:54.42 | joshh | eightyeight: weird, my mac has OpenSSL 0.9.8za 5 Jun 2014, and linux (wheezy) OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 |
| 22:54.52 | sjansen | eightyeight: OpenSSL doesn't remove features. Most likely your using a version compiled with ssl2 deliberately disabled, when the correct answer is to switch to LibreSSL. |
| 22:54.58 | joshh | maybe the guys they just hired after the post-heartbleed funding can fix it |
| 22:55.29 | eightyeight | sjansen: the fact is, i'm testing something internally, and have found a rather peculiar problem |
| 22:56.02 | eightyeight | despite having "SSLProtocol all -SSLv2 -SSLv3" in the ssl.conf for httpd(8), and the daemon restarted, it still negotiates SSLv3 |
| 22:56.11 | Oberon4278 | ok thanks jlp_znc |
| 22:56.33 | eightyeight | so, i want to see if it negotiates SSLv2. of course, i can't test from my workstation, as '-ssl2' apparently no longer works (despite the claim of its own output) |
| 22:56.45 | eightyeight | but, indeed, testing it on localhost, and it negotiates SSLv2. ugh. |
| 22:56.52 | eightyeight | bitches some more for good measure |
| 22:58.34 | joshh | looks like ubuntu and possibly debian disable sslv2 in their openssl |
| 23:05.34 | youtah | Misophonia |
| 23:05.48 | youtah | Word of the day |
| 23:06.30 | goozbach | wife has it |
| 23:06.36 | goozbach | not fun |
| 23:06.42 | levi | "Got off the pigeon be woo it" <- part of a text from my wife, who apparently did not proofread the text before sending. |
| 23:07.15 | jlp_znc | no, she meant exactly that |
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| 23:13.16 | RyanE | According to helpful Apple Terminal "open man page", there is No manual entry for Misophonia. |
| 23:16.19 | Jayce^ | youtah: try chewing noises near my brother... he can freak out |
| 23:19.56 | jlp_znc | there's a fun idea for a programming contest. take a message like levi's wife's and figure out what it should have been based on adjacent keyboard letters. |
| 23:20.27 | levi | jlp_znc: There was most likely some autocorrect involved as well. |
| 23:20.46 | W6NZX | omg |
| 23:20.47 | jlp_znc | no doubt. context should be considered, as well. |
| 23:20.52 | W6NZX | people talking in #utah |
| 23:37.37 | levi | Oberon4278: There are some interesting answers and links here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1089018/why-cant-decimal-numbers-be-represented-exactly-in-binary |
| 23:38.01 | youtah | <RyanE> According to helpful Apple Terminal "open man page", there is No manual entry for Misophonia. <<< ROFL |
| 23:38.18 | youtah | Jayce^, |
| 23:38.29 | youtah | I will ask him which "chomping" is is favorite |
| 23:39.01 | levi | Oberon4278: Of course, the answer, like most things in number theory, has to do with prime numbers. |
| 23:39.36 | bregalad | base 2, base 10, base e, whatever |
| 23:39.57 | bregalad | numbers exist whether you choose to represent them within such trite artifact systems |
| 23:40.38 | levi | We were, of course, talking explicitly about *representations* and not platonic numbers. :P |
| 23:41.21 | bregalad | levi: I know :-) |
| 23:41.58 | bregalad | place-value representation is definitely the most elegant way to represent numbers that humanity has invented |
| 23:42.14 | bregalad | s/elegant/elegant and convenient/ |
| 23:42.31 | bregalad | when you're optimizing for workability |
| 23:43.08 | RyanE | by a human |
| 23:43.24 | bregalad | RyanE: or even for a machine, I think |
| 23:43.27 | RyanE | man, there are few things I dislike more than entering in defects. |
| 23:43.27 | levi | Whether a fractional number that's exactly representable in one base is exactly representable in another base has to do with the common prime factors between the bases. |
| 23:43.41 | bregalad | relatively prime |
| 23:43.58 | RyanE | I have some "relatively prime" real estate I'd like to sell you... :) |
| 23:44.07 | RyanE | and some "relatively prime" rib. |
| 23:44.30 | levi | "pigeon be woo it" == "phone with", apparently. |
| 23:44.46 | bregalad | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprime_integers |
| 23:46.09 | bregalad | I forgot about how simple life was when all I worried about was such things as coprime numbers |
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| 23:47.16 | RyanE | makes me feel bad. I've never worried about coprime numbers. |
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