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| 16:24.40 | jlp_znc | now don't start that again |
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| 17:26.29 | tvc123 | seems almost as futile as a poke war with youtah |
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| 17:34.26 | youtah | lol |
| 17:34.51 | youtah | On a different note... did you see that Anonymous has declared war against terrorists? |
| 17:35.11 | jlp_znc | go go gadget Anonymous! |
| 17:35.28 | jlp_znc | puts on a white hat |
| 17:36.11 | youtah | Any sort of terrorist organization, they are going to start attacking all of their websites, emails, social media accounts, etc |
| 17:36.30 | youtah | http://rt.com/news/221331-anonymous-attack-terrorist-website/ |
| 17:40.01 | eightyeight | "RT - Turning people into imbeciles since 2005." |
| 17:40.03 | eightyeight | heh |
| 17:42.17 | levi | Heh. As Anonymous practically functions as (among other things) a terrorist organization itself, maybe it'll self-destruct. :P |
| 17:44.07 | youtah | http://thedailyeight.com/bizarre/top-8-deadliest-prisons-in-the-world/ |
| 17:44.18 | youtah | make sure you enable adblock |
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| 17:46.05 | youtah | "tvc123 has not responded to your last poke" |
| 17:47.26 | youtah | come on tvc123 .... harleypig does it! |
| 17:48.43 | youtah | Someone just broke the UofU's student login page. On the first day of class. |
| 17:49.27 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/R1lVmh0.png |
| 17:50.46 | jlp_znc | nah, that's just my cousin's record. he legally changed his name to {{profile.userinfo.name}} last week just to make this image. |
| 17:50.55 | youtah | lol |
| 17:51.34 | jlp_znc | just like little bobby tables |
| 17:51.42 | youtah | exactly |
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| 17:58.18 | romanovic | woops. |
| 17:58.45 | romanovic | I wonder how much the U of U pays their web devs |
| 17:58.50 | youtah | OH SHOOT |
| 17:59.05 | youtah | Cyber Jihadists have started a cyber attack |
| 17:59.13 | youtah | and have taken over CENTCOM's twitter account |
| 17:59.20 | youtah | and they are posting private information |
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| 17:59.55 | romanovic | worked on some sections of the U of U website years ago as an entry level dev, was paid about 1/3 of the going market rate for entry level web development |
| 18:00.08 | youtah | That sounds about right romanovic |
| 18:00.30 | youtah | I assume they bank off of getting low paid, slower working students, to use this as a learning experience for them |
| 18:00.43 | romanovic | only reason I lasted more than 3 months was because I had a second job, and the U of U was easy part-time money that was flexible with my class schedule |
| 18:00.59 | romanovic | youtah: yep |
| 18:05.02 | levi | I wonder why people are still under the impression that you can get reasonable web dev work done via cheap labor. |
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| 18:14.09 | jlp_znc | in my first professional job, our company was essentially purchased by a guy who had no experience with software at all. (the original owner ran out of money and had to do something to keep the doors open). |
| 18:14.25 | jlp_znc | this new guy came in as president. set up a fancy office, etc. |
| 18:14.46 | jlp_znc | his background was in the restaurant business. he treated programmers and QA people like waiters. |
| 18:15.04 | jlp_znc | had no concept of institutional knowledge. |
| 18:15.35 | jlp_znc | "hmmm, this guy has been working with the code base for two years, but I'll just hire some new guy off the street and expect him to be just as productive." |
| 18:16.05 | jlp_znc | the company went out of business two months after I left. |
| 18:29.29 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:29.37 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
| 18:29.37 | infobot | Pedro offers you his protection. |
| 18:30.31 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 18:30.31 | infobot | executes killall -TERM emcnabb |
| 18:30.38 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 18:30.38 | infobot | thanks, sjansen |
| 18:30.42 | emcnabb | sjansen, jerk |
| 18:30.58 | bregalad | wow, emcnabb sprach |
| 18:31.05 | bregalad | ~napoleon emcnabb |
| 18:31.05 | infobot | ACTION makes emcnabb his secret service captain |
| 18:31.46 | levi | sjansen and emcnabb online in #utah at the same time?! |
| 18:31.51 | emcnabb | oh my! |
| 18:32.04 | sjansen | LIes! Vicious lies! |
| 18:32.19 | emcnabb | sjansen, I haven't talked to you in years, and you go larting me out of the blue |
| 18:32.26 | levi | It's like it's 2005 or something. |
| 18:32.36 | emcnabb | ha! |
| 18:33.03 | emcnabb | I guess I did move away from Utah in 2006, so that's the right timeframe |
| 18:33.16 | sjansen | emcnabb: It wasn't me, it was infobot. |
| 18:33.29 | emcnabb | sjansen, you summoned it |
| 18:33.34 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:33.34 | infobot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at emcnabb |
| 18:33.36 | bregalad | that's no excuse, once you're in #utah, you're always in #utah |
| 18:33.39 | sjansen | Now that time it was me. |
| 18:33.51 | sjansen | ~fishslap emcnabb |
| 18:33.51 | infobot | ACTION slaps emcnabb up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:33.57 | sjansen | Ah, the good old days. |
| 18:34.00 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap sjansen |
| 18:34.00 | infobot | ACTION beats sjansen upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:34.32 | emcnabb | sjansen, oh please, don't say go old days. you're so glad I've left your presence |
| 18:35.02 | sjansen | Not so. I've only recently come to terms with the your absence. |
| 18:35.07 | emcnabb | sjansen, btw, I drive though Cary all the time, and I still get lost :-) |
| 18:35.16 | sjansen | I spent the first 3 years crying myself to sleep each night. |
| 18:35.21 | levi | Now we need elg to randomly show up. |
| 18:35.28 | emcnabb | sjansen, sure... |
| 18:36.22 | emcnabb | levi, we need to have a big #utah reunion |
| 18:39.21 | levi | That would be fun, just don't ask me to organize it. :) |
| 18:40.36 | emcnabb | levi, we'll leave it up to sjansen |
| 18:40.48 | emcnabb | it should be done by the early 2030's |
| 18:44.03 | sjansen | ~nuke emcnabb |
| 18:44.04 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at emcnabb ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 18:44.24 | sjansen | Oh, here's one I've missed! |
| 18:44.27 | emcnabb | with sjansen, it never ends... |
| 18:44.30 | sjansen | ~funkybomb emcnabb |
| 18:44.30 | infobot | ACTION blows away emcnabb in a psychedelic flash |
| 18:44.53 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.10 | emcnabb | Jayce^, can you help an old friend out? |
| 18:45.16 | Jayce^ | tempting |
| 18:45.19 | jsmith | Whoa -- it's both sjansen and emcnabb -- scary! |
| 18:45.42 | emcnabb | all of the sudden my work productivity is tanking |
| 18:45.44 | sjansen | People keep saying that, but I just don't believe it's true. |
| 18:45.46 | Jayce^ | end of the world time |
| 18:46.11 | fozzmoo | falls on face |
| 18:46.13 | jsmith | Jayce^: That was my first thought too |
| 18:46.14 | Jayce^ | starting point of zero doesn't help |
| 18:46.21 | emcnabb | everyone joins in! |
| 18:46.24 | emcnabb | where's goozbach ? |
| 18:46.26 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:46.30 | Jayce^ | in Provo |
| 18:46.35 | Jayce^ | goozbach goozbach goozbach |
| 18:46.36 | emcnabb | well, on IRC :-) |
| 18:46.52 | sjansen | I thought that only worked with fozzmoo fozzmoo fozzmoo. |
| 18:47.00 | fozzmoo | perks back up. |
| 18:47.14 | Jayce^ | sjansen: no, that's perl perl perl |
| 18:47.31 | eightyeight | ~seen elg |
| 18:47.35 | infobot | elg <~fugalh@taran.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 852d 19h 18m 45s ago, saying: '~lart goozbach '. |
| 18:47.35 | sjansen | I stand corrected. |
| 18:47.39 | Jayce^ | drags harleypig back in |
| 18:47.54 | fozzmoo | ~lart elg |
| 18:47.54 | infobot | squeezes elg till elg turns blue like papa smurf |
| 18:47.57 | goozbach | you rrang? |
| 18:48.14 | Jayce^ | points up at our guests |
| 18:48.26 | emcnabb | now that elg has Facebook he's forgotten the true old school "social media"... IRC |
| 18:48.35 | fozzmoo | Oh, is that all? |
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| 18:49.26 | Jayce^ | why would you IRC when you can poke? |
| 18:49.26 | goozbach | yay! hi guys!!! |
| 18:50.08 | goozbach | emcnabb: sjansen how goes it!? |
| 18:50.19 | fozzmoo | Hey, when did we do the 10-year PLUG party? aren't we due for a 15 year? |
| 18:50.28 | sjansen | ~poke Jayce^ |
| 18:50.28 | infobot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Jayce^, pokes Jayce^ repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 18:50.34 | Jayce^ | we're past 15... |
| 18:50.39 | fozzmoo | That's what I was thinking. |
| 18:50.48 | Jayce^ | started in.... crap.. 94 or so.. |
| 18:50.50 | goozbach | this summer |
| 18:51.04 | emcnabb | goozbach, going well, keeping busy |
| 18:51.04 | fozzmoo | So, we're past 20?! |
| 18:51.05 | Jayce^ | at OpenWest, or YAPC :) |
| 18:51.07 | sjansen | goozbach: You're back in Utah, huh? |
| 18:51.08 | emcnabb | you enjoying Utah? |
| 18:51.11 | emcnabb | (again) |
| 18:51.24 | goozbach | emcnabb: suprising, yes |
| 18:51.30 | goozbach | we're happy, and healthy |
| 18:51.41 | goozbach | got a great job with the local evil empire :) |
| 18:51.48 | fozzmoo | cackles |
| 18:52.08 | goozbach | sjansen: yup as of Aug |
| 18:52.14 | Jayce^ | we are legion |
| 18:52.20 | goozbach | been meaning to ping all the local folks |
| 18:52.28 | emcnabb | I think I'll be in NC for a long time - it's now home |
| 18:52.33 | goozbach | caught up with all the bluehost'ites |
| 18:52.36 | fozzmoo | has been pung |
| 18:52.39 | emcnabb | but I went back to Utah a few months ago for the first time in 3-4 years |
| 18:52.41 | emcnabb | had a great time |
| 18:52.52 | goozbach | still need to expand the ping distance |
| 18:53.10 | Jayce^ | well, if you weren't so far south you could come by my place :) |
| 18:53.19 | Jayce^ | since you refused to go to fozzmoo's |
| 18:53.27 | fozzmoo | pouts |
| 18:53.37 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 18:54.18 | Jayce^ | so emcnabb, have you been there long enough to become a Panthers fan? :D |
| 18:54.27 | emcnabb | Jayce^, never :-) |
| 18:54.34 | emcnabb | once a Bears fan, always a Bears fan |
| 18:54.50 | Jayce^ | was hoping to have fresh meat to tease :) |
| 18:55.21 | emcnabb | ha |
| 18:56.00 | goozbach | but yes we need to have a plug-a-thon meetup |
| 18:56.56 | fozzmoo | We used to do an annual picnic, but it's been at least five years since the last one. |
| 18:57.03 | Jayce^ | probably more |
| 18:57.17 | Jayce^ | don't think we did one since I stepped down, and that's been a while |
| 18:57.47 | fozzmoo | Interest in PLUG has seen a bit of a resurgence in the last few months. |
| 18:57.57 | fozzmoo | We're seeing more new faces at the meetings. |
| 18:58.02 | fozzmoo | (and not just recruiters.) |
| 18:58.11 | emcnabb | later all - off to a meeting |
| 18:58.14 | emcnabb | I'll try to get on more |
| 18:58.16 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: Bye! |
| 18:58.19 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: Do! |
| 18:58.21 | emcnabb | where more > every 2-3 years |
| 18:58.25 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 18:58.32 | emcnabb | bye! |
| 19:00.01 | goozbach | bye! |
| 19:21.04 | programmerq | so, I have been using an outgoing SIP service for a while, but they are going away. I am hoping to find something with decent rates, no minimum monthly usage requirements, and no requirement to buy a DID from them. |
| 19:25.11 | romanovic | programmerq: I use one called voip.ms for my business number. I do almost no business over the phone, usually just for making outgoing calls from a soft phone on my computer using the headset |
| 19:26.39 | romanovic | I've spent maybe $30 total in 2 - 3 years of owning the number, because there is no monthly charge and I use it so infrequently |
| 19:27.12 | programmerq | romanovic: neat. |
| 19:29.58 | programmerq | looks like they do everything I would need. It would be nice if they had t.38 support, but that isn't something I actually need-- just a toy to play with really. |
| 19:31.44 | jalbretsen | Jayce^: How are your PCI auditors? Do you have to repeat and explain questions to them 3 times before they will answer? |
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| 19:54.57 | Migs | when I use ln -s it symlinks to a destination file, and any references from then on are relative to the destination. So if it tries to view a config file a few directories up, it'll do it relative to the destination. What kind of setup do I need to do to make it relative to where I'm "symlinking" from? |
| 19:55.07 | Migs | hopefully some of that makes sense |
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| 20:08.36 | jlp_znc | so, you do something like "ln -s abc ../xyz" |
| 20:08.52 | jlp_znc | and you get a link abc that is relative and points to xyz in abc's parent directory, right? |
| 20:09.00 | jlp_znc | now, describe what you want to happen. :-) |
| 20:09.21 | jlp_znc | (actually, I think I have that backwards) |
| 20:10.14 | jlp_znc | you do ln -s ../xyz abc |
| 20:10.40 | jlp_znc | then ... the rest of that |
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| 20:13.29 | jlp_znc | think about a symlink as just being a replacement string. if I'm somewhere else and I type /path/to/abc, it resolves like /path/to/../xyz (abc gets replaced with the value of the link) |
| 20:15.03 | jlp_znc | if I were in a directory and did "ln -s xyz ../abc", I've created a link in .. called abc that points to xyz in the same directory as abc (my current parent) |
| 20:15.16 | jlp_znc | ln doesn't care beans about what you're sticking in the link |
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| 20:22.52 | Migs | that wasn't exactly my question, but I know I was confusing. The problem is I'm setting up a multisite Joomla install, and Joomla uses relative links to call config files and so on. So if I'm symlinking index.php, and index.php tries to include(../../config.php) it doesn't work |
| 20:23.04 | Migs | so I'm thinking I need something other than symlink |
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| 20:31.41 | tvc123 | Migs: can you use a hard link? or a full path in your sym link |
| 20:34.35 | Migs | I think hard links might be the best bet at this point |
| 20:34.41 | Migs | and just design my architecture around that |
| 20:35.28 | tvc123 | as long a you don't have to span devices/mounts that should work |
| 20:36.59 | Migs | nah, this is all just one mount |
| 20:39.36 | jlp_znc | hard links might be the way to go, then, as long as you are only linking to files (not directories) |
| 20:40.38 | bregalad | can you hard link directories? |
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| 20:41.27 | jlp_znc | well... sort of. fsck gets all mad about it. |
| 20:41.37 | jlp_znc | so, no, you "can't" |
| 20:41.51 | jlp_znc | the syscall interface won't let you, but there are ways. |
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| 20:46.43 | Jayce^ | jalbretsen: externals are *always* like that |
| 20:47.04 | Jayce^ | I'm an ISA, so it makes it better now, but they added people to our team that our clueless, so back to step one |
| 20:50.17 | jalbretsen | adds himself to team Jayce^ because Jake is clueless |
| 20:51.01 | Jayce^ | you just trying to get systems clarification for what will "pass" their definitions? |
| 20:51.50 | jalbretsen | oh ya |
| 20:51.56 | Jayce^ | just be careful you don't have SOX compliance (unless you do, then commit sudoku) |
| 20:52.26 | jlp_znc | sodoku :-) |
| 20:52.36 | Jayce^ | relevant link http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/711/744/c65.jpg |
| 20:52.43 | Jayce^ | just to answer jlp_znc |
| 20:53.00 | jalbretsen | I caught an error in their report saying we had a Anti-Virus Manager some sort. I said no, that is false. They claimed we needed it. I said, I've read through PCI 2 and 3, and there is not a requirement there. Show me where I'm wrong |
| 20:53.06 | jlp_znc | ouch |
| 20:53.09 | jalbretsen | uh.... er... uh... er, you just need it |
| 20:53.15 | Jayce^ | oh, there is... |
| 20:53.26 | Jayce^ | often referred to as the Windows article |
| 20:53.38 | Jayce^ | and annoying became even more annoying vith v3 |
| 20:53.45 | jalbretsen | so in my operational procedures, I now have documented that Salt Stack is our Anti-Virus Manger |
| 20:53.51 | Jayce^ | been fighting other ISA's about it, because they don't understand |
| 20:53.54 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 20:53.58 | fozzmoo | From Fark: Google Translate app could soon translate speech in real time, as long as the speaker isn't talking about Darmok and Jalad at Tenagra |
| 20:54.00 | youtah | Who is Jason Barlow? |
| 20:54.18 | jlp_znc | we had to put antivirus software on our linux appliance at Raytheon to satisfy STIG. it didn't have to be running, just had to be there. |
| 20:54.41 | youtah | lol |
| 20:54.54 | jlp_znc | "yes, antivirus is installed. it's right there." |
| 20:55.05 | youtah | That took me back. So many memories |
| 20:55.20 | youtah | STIG .... *shudders* |
| 20:55.30 | Jayce^ | the stig! |
| 20:55.35 | jalbretsen | ah STIG, brings back DOD memories |
| 20:55.40 | youtah | Not the Stig |
| 20:55.44 | youtah | Just STIG |
| 20:55.50 | youtah | lol, yes, jalbretsen has the idea |
| 20:56.00 | jlp_znc | yep. |
| 20:56.22 | Jayce^ | jalbretsen: so the anti-virus /used/ to be stated in such a way that "those systems commonly targetted/compromised by viruses" had to have an anti-virus *running* on the system |
| 20:56.30 | youtah | You thought Windows was unusable? Wait until you had worked with a STIGified windows machine! |
| 20:56.31 | tvc123 | oh god no /me just walked away from STIGS and jlp_znc they still do the same things with the AV software |
| 20:56.53 | Jayce^ | now they just made it worse by basically saying everybody must have a managed one on every system... |
| 20:57.09 | jlp_znc | so my son will be going to Keesler for tech school. he got his job as "Client Systems" ... whatever that means. I think it's maybe desktop support. |
| 20:57.15 | jalbretsen | I know STIG made Linux boxes on unuseable, I can't imagine Windows. |
| 20:57.19 | youtah | No one answered me, who the crap is Jason Barlow? |
| 20:57.23 | youtah | in Utah |
| 20:57.25 | jlp_znc | good ol' Keesler. in beautiful Biloxi Mississippi. |
| 20:57.37 | jlp_znc | lived there for six years |
| 20:57.39 | tvc123 | jalbretsen: they make windows boxes unusable as well |
| 20:57.49 | Jayce^ | technically, 5.1 still has that limitation.. in writing.. |
| 20:57.53 | Jayce^ | 5.1 Deploy anti-virus software on all |
| 20:57.55 | Jayce^ | systems commonly affected by malicious |
| 20:57.57 | Jayce^ | software (particularly personal computers |
| 20:57.59 | Jayce^ | and servers). |
| 20:58.01 | youtah | yeah jalbretsen I'm telling you.. it was atrocious |
| 20:58.16 | youtah | used to do Unix and Apache STIG Checks |
| 20:58.23 | jalbretsen | key worked commonly |
| 20:58.25 | jalbretsen | *word |
| 20:58.26 | youtah | oh, and Tomcat STIG checks too |
| 20:58.37 | Jayce^ | the trouble is explaining to your auditor what that means |
| 20:58.45 | tvc123 | we used to have a windows VM running on Solaris ... and had to run STIG + 5 other tests for each OS |
| 20:58.50 | youtah | shudders |
| 20:58.54 | jalbretsen | ah yes, the STIG auditor who looks at you and says "command line?" |
| 20:59.00 | Jayce^ | a couple of first timers went to the class, and say "They totally said that means all computers"\ |
| 20:59.09 | jlp_znc | youtah: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=23051207 |
| 20:59.44 | youtah | lol jlp_znc |
| 20:59.58 | youtah | apparently there was some random dude named Jason Barlow that was arrested with a DUI |
| 21:00.07 | youtah | and I am thinking... KSL... why are you telling me this? |
| 21:00.21 | jalbretsen | it took me 3 months to convince the security manager to let me install screen on all my boxes, since the VPN was not exactly dependable, I thought it may be a good idea |
| 21:00.33 | levi | Lesson to software developers: Take security seriously, or ignorant lawmakers will take it seriously for you, to your eternal misfortune and misery. :P |
| 21:00.36 | jlp_znc | KSL reports all DUI arrests now? |
| 21:00.40 | jalbretsen | I made the mistake of saying... "GNU screen" |
| 21:01.01 | jlp_znc | jalbretsen: oh no! |
| 21:01.15 | jlp_znc | you didn't invoke the open source keyword to a security auditor, did you? |
| 21:01.17 | jlp_znc | you fool! |
| 21:01.26 | tvc123 | run you fool run |
| 21:01.34 | jlp_znc | security auditors need someone to sue when things go wrong. |
| 21:01.35 | jalbretsen | and there was panic. "Oh, that GPL stuff, that takes FOREVER to get approved. They never approve that stuff, and if they do it will be a pain" |
| 21:01.46 | jalbretsen | and I said..... uh.... Red Hat is GPL |
| 21:01.54 | jalbretsen | the response: "It is?" |
| 21:02.35 | jalbretsen | then I said that Red Hat had an RPM for screen that came with the software. All of a sudden it was magically not an issue anymore. |
| 21:03.10 | jalbretsen | that was around the time I decided it was time to move on |
| 21:03.20 | jlp_znc | youtah: maybe https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=39744280 |
| 21:04.20 | jlp_znc | probably not https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=72812832 |
| 21:04.38 | jlp_znc | those were the only three Jason Barlows in Utah that I found |
| 21:23.47 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=33076284&title=police-i-am-way-too-intoxicated-to-drive-driver-said&fm=home_page&s_cid=topstory |
| 21:23.58 | youtah | Yeah, they have this big article about it, and don't even explain who the guy is |
| 21:28.04 | fozzmoo | I know there is a prominent polygamist Barlow family. |
| 21:29.21 | youtah | I mean, if that were the case, shouldn't the writer have explained that in said article? |
| 21:32.14 | joshh | idiots like that give the good kind of drinkers a bad name |
| 21:32.18 | joshh | especially in utah |
| 21:32.19 | joshh | sigh |
| 21:40.36 | jlp_znc | I guess they didn't think it was important who he was. |
| 21:41.11 | jlp_znc | 100mph in a 65mph zone. I'm trying to think where there is a 65mph zone near 3900S and 600W. |
| 21:41.24 | jlp_znc | I-15 is 70mph now |
| 21:41.34 | jlp_znc | oh, november 24th. |
| 21:41.38 | jlp_znc | probably on I-15, then. |
| 21:41.45 | jlp_znc | this just made the news today? |
| 21:41.52 | joshh | probably just a mistake, news articles are full of them these days |
| 21:42.12 | jlp_znc | the speed limit just went up on, I think, 1 January |
| 21:42.36 | joshh | not only facts wrong, but typos and grammar problems |
| 21:43.31 | jlp_znc | seems like the dude has a bit of a drinking problem: misdemeanor intoxication and criminal mischief in '99, public intoxication in '01, criminal mischief and simple assault in '03, and he got a DUI a month earlier. sheesh. |
| 21:44.20 | joshh | the kind of guy who will never stop making bad decisions until he's dead or locked up |
| 21:44.49 | joshh | i wonder if he's ever declined to drive drunk |
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| 22:09.25 | d3c4f | Anyone interested in getting TheTransistor hackerspace running in Utah County again should attend the meeting this weekend: http://www.meetup.com/theTransistor/events/219790671/ |
| 22:09.28 | d3c4f | </spam> |
| 22:24.10 | eightyeight | http://blogs.technet.com/b/msrc/archive/2015/01/11/a-call-for-better-coordinated-vulnerability-disclosure.aspx |
| 22:24.18 | eightyeight | looks like microsoft isn't too happy with google at the moment. |
| 22:34.59 | romanovic | i'm not impressed with microsoft's post. how long did google wait before disclosing? weeks? months? |
| 22:36.26 | Jayce^ | https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/detail?id=123 |
| 22:36.28 | Jayce^ | that long :) |
| 22:36.45 | Jayce^ | oct 13th.. automated process |
| 22:37.04 | Tod-Work | d3c4f, should one bring anything beyond a listening ear in prep? |
| 22:43.31 | d3c4f | Nope, just yourself and anyone else that might be interested. :) |
| 22:44.37 | romanovic | MS CVD practices sound like "our timeline and priorities are more important than security and vuln awareness, so KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT until we say so" |
| 22:52.18 | neybar_work | I love his signature "Trustworthy Computing". Sounds like... or not. |
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| 23:31.26 | shalkie | I think the google time frame is 90 days. |
| 23:38.22 | romanovic | I want to see the government implement such a Coordinated Vulnerability Disclosure like this with news organisations for disease control. "No reporting news or warning travellers about the Ebola outbreak in West African countries! We don't even have a vaccine yet, just give us a few more days" |
| 23:39.51 | romanovic | "We have to get the timing right... disclose now, and WHO will send volunteers, then they'll bring the virus home to the US. Better not to tell anyone at all" |
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| 23:42.01 | romanovic | realises this is a silly scenario and not quite the same thing |
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