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| 16:25.10 | bregalad | the thing that gets me about stack overflow is that every question has a right answer |
| 16:25.20 | bregalad | or that there is only one right answer |
| 16:25.47 | bregalad | which is funny because one of the reasons I read that site is to get multiple perspectives on the same situation |
| 16:26.13 | bregalad | and then you read the comments and people argue about which answer should be the 'correct' one |
| 16:26.46 | levi | It's not the "right" answer, just the one the asker found the most helpful. |
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| 16:27.41 | levi | I gave one answer a while ago that still regularly earns me a trickle of points. |
| 16:29.33 | bregalad | and that's another thing, someone with more points doesn't mean they're answers are going to have the best information, it just means they've spent more time answering questions, or answered easy questions between 2008 and 2010 |
| 16:31.17 | levi | I rarely look at the points that other people have; I think they're mostly a reward/conditioning mechanism for answerers. |
| 16:32.06 | levi | I mean, it's not a perfect system, but it manages to work reasonably well. |
| 16:32.11 | asoc | I hate points because I can't upvote answers and such because I don't have enough points. But I don't ever get points because I answer my questions from others questions and don't post duplicate questions. |
| 16:32.58 | levi | asoc: I don't think I ever asked a question. |
| 16:33.48 | bregalad | I think you have to realize that the accepted answer is entirely based on the opinion of the asker, so is a rather arbitrary, mostly useless indicator |
| 16:33.57 | levi | I viewed my answering as a project to reinforce the clarity of my understanding. |
| 16:34.28 | asoc | levi: I don't answer any either. I guess I could do that to get the needed points. |
| 16:34.30 | bregalad | frequently the question I read is different enough from my own situation that the accepted answer doesn't tell me what I need |
| 16:34.35 | tvc123 | bregalad: I don't know that it is completly arbetraty ... it did fix their problem in many cases |
| 16:34.44 | levi | asoc: Indeed, that's why I first answered a question. |
| 16:35.31 | levi | bregalad: You can always ask your own question. |
| 16:36.17 | asoc | levi: then I have to be looking for questions with answers that aren't sufficient or don't have an answer. Which when I think about doing so I am always busy with something else and don't get around to it. |
| 16:36.29 | bregalad | levi: yes, but what I'm saying is that frequently there are 'unaccepted' answers that give me the information I need |
| 16:37.27 | levi | bregalad: So upvote the useful ones and move on. |
| 16:38.27 | bregalad | mainly my experience in participating with stackoverflow and related sites is that each one contains a den of trolls who are quick to rebuke or shut down what they think is off topic or duplicate or whatever |
| 16:40.03 | levi | In my experience, that sort of behavior is due to two things: the sort of personality who is willing to devote a ton of time to unpaid work and long exposure to large quantities of idiocy and abuse. |
| 16:40.42 | bregalad | haha |
| 16:40.53 | levi | Very few "community" efforts retain a welcoming, friendly quality after long-term exposure to the internet at large. |
| 16:41.52 | levi | But they can still remain useful to those with a thick skin and a willingness to overlook the misplaced zeal of the self-appointed guardians. |
| 16:41.52 | bregalad | thankfully #utah is small enough or populated enough with cool people that it has always been friendly |
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| 17:01.23 | levi | http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751 <- Best flamewar ever |
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| 17:28.13 | tvc123 | levi: I feel dumber for having browsed through that |
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| 17:32.15 | youtah | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10387226_10153065137128885_2380230634605682816_n.jpg?oh=bad2824e3f1f80c7327ed9a16fc6aa3e&oe=552CC948 |
| 17:32.27 | youtah | Stop using anal as a variable |
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| 17:39.49 | levi | youtah: But it's a great abbreviation for analysis! |
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| 18:14.49 | youtah | I need to start using anal more |
| 18:19.56 | youtah | goozbach, you liked my status that much eh? |
| 18:19.58 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/tvcgpFG.gif |
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| 18:48.13 | harleypig | youtah: isn't that a little personal? |
| 18:48.55 | harleypig | That's soooo much better than $moron |
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| 19:10.19 | youtah | harleypig, you read it yet? |
| 19:10.50 | harleypig | yeah, that's what I meant was soo much better than $moron. |
| 19:20.02 | jima | tvc123: i missed your response to levi's link. i wish i hadn't. |
| 19:20.32 | jima | what a bunch of morans |
| 19:20.42 | jima | by which i mean citizens of mora, mn. |
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| 19:26.37 | youtah | OMG |
| 19:26.46 | youtah | My Frozen Corndog FB post is taking off |
| 19:26.52 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/youtah/posts/10205918379622842 |
| 19:32.14 | rsimpkins | youtah: If I unfollowed everyone who said something on FB without thinking it through first... I'd have no friends left. |
| 19:32.31 | rsimpkins | I don't think smart people use FB. |
| 19:32.40 | rsimpkins | Which is why I'm on there. |
| 19:32.50 | jima | ditto |
| 19:33.32 | levi | I wouldn't say smart people don't use it... just that the usage level is typically inversly proportional to intelligence. :P |
| 19:34.02 | youtah | lol |
| 19:35.49 | levi | I don't really believe that either, but it sounds good. |
| 19:36.35 | jima | one could say the same of irc ;-) |
| 19:37.01 | jima | seeing as though this month marks 20 years on irc for me...that doesn't speak very well of me. :-( |
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| 19:42.58 | levi | Well, IRC use is probably more closely related to self-discipline and focus than it is to intelligence. :P |
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| 20:07.59 | bregalad | rsimpkins: I *did* unfollow all such people I'm 'friends' with |
| 20:08.15 | bregalad | it's a much quieter, more sane place for me now |
| 20:08.26 | bregalad | I can't believe the game spam I used to tolerate |
| 20:08.53 | bregalad | I must have a hundred junky facebook apps on my ignore list |
| 20:09.17 | levi | EETimes says: Career alert! Embedded systems are hot! |
| 20:09.21 | bregalad | harleypig and levi made the cut, for example |
| 20:09.22 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:09.41 | levi | Also, this reminds me that Dr Dobbs is gone. :( |
| 20:09.46 | bregalad | levi: they just need better heat sinks |
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| 20:11.37 | levi | Turns out the article is mostly mocking some career advice from Dice.com that tries to make embedded systems sound like a new thing. |
| 20:13.56 | levi | Speaking of which, if you haven't been to Radio Shack lately, you should go check out the back section now. Especially if you've got kids that you'd like to get into electronics/embedded systems. |
| 20:15.24 | bregalad | radio shack is dying |
| 20:15.28 | bregalad | apple is dying |
| 20:15.31 | bregalad | ~radioshack |
| 20:15.34 | bregalad | ~radio shack |
| 20:15.34 | infobot | Pfui! Don't talk to me about Radio Shack |
| 20:15.41 | RyanE | radioshack is dead, it's body just doesn't know it yet. |
| 20:15.51 | levi | Both have been "dying" for something like 20 years. |
| 20:16.00 | bregalad | they're like furniture stores |
| 20:16.00 | RyanE | They don't have enough money to close stores. |
| 20:16.13 | RyanE | they need to close stores to make more money. |
| 20:16.17 | RyanE | dead in the water. |
| 20:16.24 | bregalad | apple needs to hire those people that stand on street corners holding signs exclaiming their deals |
| 20:16.27 | levi | Seriously, they've got some really cool geek toys in Radio Shack. |
| 20:16.37 | youtah | for harleypig ... use adblock http://thechive.com/2014/12/03/wedding-name-combos-so-bad-they-might-want-to-call-the-whole-thing-off-25-photos/ |
| 20:16.38 | RyanE | levi: too little, too late. The Internet exists now. |
| 20:16.47 | bregalad | there's a radio shack within walking distance of my house |
| 20:16.53 | RyanE | If they'd offered PICs and dev kits 15 years ago, they might have made it. |
| 20:17.30 | bregalad | the conventional joke being that if you go to radio shack and buy electronics parts the dudes at the counter will think you are building a bomb |
| 20:18.00 | bregalad | 'where's the shrink tube?' 'What's shrink tube? Do you want to buy a new phone?' |
| 20:18.13 | RyanE | At least they've stopped asking for your ID to purchase resistors. |
| 20:18.24 | bregalad | RyanE: srsly? |
| 20:18.47 | RyanE | yeah, they used to be real anal about it, getting all your info for their marketing DB. |
| 20:19.36 | levi | I don't know how well they've trained the employees in the stuff, but they've got Arduino-powered robot kits, a couple of different "click-together" circuit kits, basic Arduino and Beaglebone starter kits, etc. |
| 20:19.43 | bregalad | I've coached my family to give fake info whenever that happens |
| 20:19.52 | bregalad | levi: that is awesome |
| 20:20.19 | youtah | Hey neybar_work .... https://github.com/neybar/dotfiles/tree/master/.vim/syntax Where's your PHP .vim file? |
| 20:21.24 | neybar_work | uh yeah... I may have forgotten about that one. |
| 20:23.07 | levi | I really need to get my soldering and basic electronics skills in place so I don't have to take my coworker's time (and my time waiting for him) to get random stuff assembled. :/ |
| 20:24.22 | youtah | http://www.itstactical.com/skillcom/driving/what-if-i-told-you-that-vehicles-dont-have-blind-spots/ |
| 20:26.08 | bregalad | levi: I keep tempting myself to buy a soldering station |
| 20:26.39 | youtah | http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/over-2000-ms-dos-games-like-oregon-trail-can-now-be-played-o |
| 20:30.20 | levi | The internet archive also has tons of MAME-playable abandonware on it. And lots of scans of really cool old books. |
| 20:30.45 | bregalad | and even more noncool old books! |
| 20:33.30 | levi | I got a few books on old tradescraft and handyman topics. |
| 20:34.31 | levi | metalworking, woodworking, drafting, patternmaking (for metal casting), sheet metal fabrication, etc. |
| 20:35.40 | levi | It's interesting to learn how stuff was made before everything was automated. |
| 20:38.01 | levi | This one I'm looking at now is "Elements of Mechanism", which is an old MIT introductory text on machine design. |
| 20:39.49 | bregalad | I'm sure there's some great knowledge there that is now forgotten |
| 20:43.17 | levi | I don't know that it's forgotten now; it's probably mostly still in introductory texts on machine design. |
| 20:45.38 | levi | I would bet that our improvements in machine design in the last couple hundred years have mostly been through improvements in precision/repeatability/speed of machining and in advanced materials. |
| 20:47.41 | bregalad | but new fabrication technology can deprecate techniques for older methods that are nevertheless ingenious and have applications in different domains, for example |
| 20:54.26 | levi | Well, you don't typically find ingenious but likely-to-be-deprecated solutions in introductory texts. Some of the other books are full of all sorts of "handyman" stuff that's been mostly deprecated in today's world of cheap mass-production. |
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