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| 18:46.15 | jlp_znc | hmmm, I guess I've always been the person who installed the license(s). |
| 18:47.21 | jima | i'm in the division at my work that handles licensing, so i too have it easy. |
| 18:47.40 | jima | my boss is the contact on pretty much every licensing contract |
| 18:48.05 | bregalad | in the old days we used software that didn't need licenses |
| 18:54.25 | brasian | license to thrill, license to drill, license to .. kill? |
| 18:55.56 | jima | in the old days, i mostly dealt with software that didn't need to be licensed |
| 18:56.13 | jima | alas, software was not the only thing my former employer was tight-fisted about. |
| 19:06.14 | youtah | time for food right meow |
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| 20:15.24 | youtah | Holy crap http://m.kxly.com/news/shooting-prompts-hayden-walmart-evacuation/30458938 |
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| 20:18.07 | programmerq | holy crap indeed. :( |
| 20:31.06 | d3c4f | This is why we can't have nice things |
| 20:32.59 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRRsXxE1KVY |
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| 20:37.31 | jlp_znc | wow. seems she did some things wrong and it cost her her life. thing one: choosing a handgun with a very light trigger pull. thing two: carrying the gun with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked. thing three: leaving the gun where her two-year-old could get at it. thing four: not watching what her child was doing. still, a tragedy. now wait for the anti-gun nuts to blame the gun manufacturer. |
| 20:38.48 | d3c4f | jlp_znc, exactly |
| 20:38.52 | youtah | yup |
| 20:38.59 | youtah | unrelated: |
| 20:39.01 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/jXrPcnb |
| 20:39.55 | d3c4f | FIRETRUCK RED!! |
| 20:39.56 | d3c4f | lol |
| 20:41.17 | romanovic | it's an issue of risk management. likelihood of life-threatening attack on your person: low. severity of such an attack: catastrophic |
| 20:42.01 | youtah | lol |
| 20:42.37 | romanovic | fatalities due to negligence are also a catastrophic consequence, so if the likelihood of your child (or worse, some bad actor) is greater than the likelihood of you encountering a life-threatening situation, it's not worth the risk of carrying |
| 20:43.40 | romanovic | thinks people should carry, and just be responsible about it like jlp_znc says |
| 20:43.59 | jlp_znc | I have no problem with people carrying, but they should think before they do. |
| 20:45.39 | spangborn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTLSgne_TWQ |
| 20:45.42 | spangborn | Filed under "OUCH" |
| 20:48.28 | jlp_znc | note to self, avoid bike races. |
| 20:49.57 | jlp_znc | what the heck did he run over, anyway? looked kind of like a bicycle tire pump. |
| 20:55.27 | joshh | the problem with too many people carrying are stupid people doing it, and smart people being human and making mistakes |
| 20:56.00 | joshh | that said, im not against restricting carrying, once you've demonstrated you aren't stupid |
| 20:56.05 | joshh | err, for restricting |
| 20:57.23 | jlp_znc | hmmm, well, there are a lot of stupid people out there. way more than the non-stupids, I'm afraid. |
| 20:57.46 | joshh | yep |
| 20:58.05 | joshh | also, smart people who are crazy |
| 20:59.21 | jlp_znc | sadly, it's a problem that has existed for a long time and shows no sign of abating. I remember in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (by Robert Heinlein, circa 1965) one of the main characters, Mike (a sentient computer) laments that he never meets "not-stupids" and asks his friend Manny to find some for him to talk to. |
| 21:03.52 | joshh | the thing that i don't get about gun culture |
| 21:04.08 | joshh | is the carriers all tend to live in the safest, lowest crime, most white, smallest population areas |
| 21:04.24 | joshh | besides the big AZ and TX cities and stuff |
| 21:04.40 | joshh | where they truly are more likely to be killed by an accident than defend themselves against an attacker |
| 21:05.03 | joshh | i wonder if they just enjoy guns more, or really are worried about their safety |
| 21:05.34 | joshh | and if the latter, how much of it is paranoia/craziness |
| 21:08.11 | romanovic | joshh: i think you're making their case for them. it's not that they carry in spite of their obvious relative safety, because they are paranoid |
| 21:08.53 | joshh | i mean, of all places on the planet to need a gun in your purse... hayden idaho? |
| 21:09.09 | joshh | it probably has one mugging per century |
| 21:11.17 | joshh | if i lived in a small town, and cared about guns, i would have one but in my bedroom in a fairly accessible safe |
| 21:11.53 | joshh | if i lived in a dangerous city that issued permits, i might actually carry |
| 21:12.35 | romanovic | the more people in a city or neighborhood who are willing to be fingerprinted and have their background checked, and obey the law so that they remain eligible for a concealed carry permit, the less likely violence is |
| 21:14.06 | joshh | maybe in theory, but i think the reality is that the safest cities have the lowest number of uneducated and poor thugs, ghettoes, projects, etc |
| 21:15.13 | spangborn | jlp_znc: Looks like a piece of metal: http://imgur.com/aymriWG |
| 21:15.22 | joshh | i agree that concealed carriers are generally law abiding though, other than when they go crazy (superdell), or commit crazy crimes of passion (that guy in tooele the other day) |
| 21:16.02 | joshh | just assuming the tooele guy had a permit, not sure |
| 21:16.10 | joshh | also, clark aposhian |
| 21:16.24 | joshh | those cases, and accidents, are what you hear about from permit holders |
| 21:16.33 | romanovic | yeah |
| 21:18.56 | jlp_znc | spangborn: wow. don't ride on the shoulder, I guess is the message we should take from that. |
| 21:19.25 | spangborn | Either that or "shit happens" |
| 21:19.35 | spangborn | Or "Don't run over stuff on the road" |
| 21:20.01 | romanovic | you have to put these stories in the news though. It's really inconvenient that violent crime rate is at its lowest level in decades, if gun control is part of your platform |
| 21:20.43 | jlp_znc | romanovic, joshh: the wild west may have been wild, but it was polite. |
| 21:20.58 | romanovic | but with a growing population, and immediate reporting of events, with photos and live video, only gets easier, you can put a constant stream of gun crime in the news and make it appear like a growing problem, even though it is the opposite |
| 21:21.03 | joshh | i just watched tombstone again the other night |
| 21:21.09 | jlp_znc | http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/robertahe100989.html |
| 21:21.33 | joshh | there is still plenty of crime for the news cycle |
| 21:21.45 | joshh | but ya in general cities are much safer than a couple decades ago |
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| 22:55.12 | RyanE | Ironic that this takes place in Darwin (AU): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVEkK_ZhKQo |
| 23:03.28 | eightyeight | superdell in the news. again. http://www.sltrib.com/news/2003291-155/super-dell-agrees-to-comply-with |
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