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| 05:56.20 | bregalad | I prefer to sit for speeches |
| 06:06.09 | eightyeight | https://pthree.org/2014/12/08/super-size-the-strength-of-your-openssh-private-keys/ |
| 06:08.59 | bregalad | eightyeight: nice |
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| 06:15.15 | Alex_____ | I'm new! What's this chat all about? :) |
| 06:15.47 | eightyeight | what does /topic say? |
| 06:32.31 | bregalad | it says that eightyeight spends too much time on irc late at night |
| 06:32.39 | bregalad | :-) |
| 06:34.49 | eightyeight | i'm going to bed actually |
| 06:34.56 | eightyeight | so, good night and good luck |
| 06:35.47 | brasian | stay awhile and listen. |
| 06:37.04 | bregalad | and then he couldn't handle it |
| 07:32.11 | harleypig | And he hadn't even had to deal with me yet. |
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| 14:36.48 | jima | we might get a number of those, someone suggested this channel as a chat for /r/SaltLakeCity |
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| 15:14.25 | Migs | fantastic |
| 15:16.58 | Migs | Normally I'd be excited to make new friends, but I'm not sure I want THOSE people |
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| 15:22.03 | jima | redditors? no kidding. ;-) |
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| 15:32.21 | jsmith | Fedora 21 is out... |
| 15:33.23 | jima | ok, i've now been informed by 3 of the last 4 fedora project leaders ;-) |
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| 15:34.07 | jima | (granted, i may be paying more attention than most) |
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| 15:47.34 | jsmith | jima: We're nothing if not thorough... |
| 15:48.48 | jima | i can't argue with that |
| 15:49.16 | jima | better thrice than never |
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| 16:02.09 | harleypig | unless it's a broken bone |
| 16:07.17 | fadein | eightyeight: whoa, I didn't know that writing to /dev/random affected my system's entropy! |
| 16:07.22 | bregalad | yay, 3.18.0 |
| 16:07.44 | bregalad | linux-3.18.0, that is |
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| 16:24.20 | youtah | Uhg |
| 16:24.22 | youtah | oh man |
| 16:24.36 | youtah | my grandmothers sewage system started backing up again last night |
| 16:24.47 | youtah | and all of the sewage from the sewer started bubbling out of her toiler |
| 16:24.48 | youtah | toilet |
| 16:24.55 | youtah | AGAIN |
| 16:25.28 | youtah | Utah Disaster Kleenup is freaking awesome BTW |
| 16:27.44 | eightyeight | fadein: well, it doesn't increase the /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail estimate for the input pool |
| 16:27.48 | eightyeight | all it does is reseed the CSPRNG |
| 16:29.03 | youtah | Anyone wanna see pictures of the toilet this time? |
| 16:31.55 | fadein | eightyeight: well, as you say, that's what haveged is for |
| 16:32.06 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 16:32.31 | fadein | I'm surprised how well haveged seems to work on my RPi |
| 16:33.18 | Migs | youtah: Have you ever done anything with photosphere photography? |
| 16:33.27 | Migs | or equirectangular, rather |
| 16:33.35 | Migs | whatever the correct term is |
| 16:34.08 | youtah | Migs, yeah |
| 16:34.30 | youtah | One of my largest was about 18 individual frames, and then done in post using Photoshop |
| 16:34.37 | Migs | oh man |
| 16:34.40 | eightyeight | fadein: what's really interesting to me is the internals of the RNG |
| 16:34.41 | youtah | but it was for fun, and just messing around |
| 16:34.42 | Migs | that sounds like a crapload of work |
| 16:34.49 | youtah | dude, so much |
| 16:35.03 | Migs | have you looked into lenses like this before? http://www.gopano.com/store/products/gopano-plus#page=technology |
| 16:35.04 | eightyeight | the SHA-1 of the input pool is not displayed when requsting bits from /dev/*random or get_random_bytes() |
| 16:35.07 | youtah | some video cameras will shoot video footage that you can import and will autogenerate it |
| 16:35.08 | Migs | I'm debating buying that |
| 16:35.27 | eightyeight | instead, the SHA-1(input_pool) is fed immediately back into the input pool. |
| 16:35.54 | eightyeight | however, that digest is also XORd and ROLd with itself, then displayed to the exported devices, as well as fed into the input pool |
| 16:36.05 | youtah | That's awesome |
| 16:36.18 | fadein | eightyeight: what is the ROL operation? |
| 16:36.20 | youtah | it looks like they provide the software (photowarp) to correct it and view it |
| 16:36.32 | Migs | yeah |
| 16:36.39 | eightyeight | fadein: left circular shift ("rotate left") |
| 16:36.48 | Migs | though you could just upload it to G+ and it'll display it in the photosphere viewer, too |
| 16:36.48 | fadein | ok |
| 16:37.08 | Migs | presumably it wouldn't need much correction |
| 16:37.32 | fadein | and when you say SHA-1(input_pool), you mean that the the digest of entire input_pool is calculated? how big is input_pool? |
| 16:37.38 | eightyeight | fadein: i explained it on bitmessage. here is a pastebin of my reply: http://ae7.st/p/6oh |
| 16:37.47 | Migs | this wouldn't take as high quality photos as the lens (depending on the camera), but this is the other option I'm thinking about http://www.360.tv/product-specs |
| 16:37.57 | Migs | does HD video, too...pretty sweet looking |
| 16:38.03 | youtah | yeah |
| 16:38.09 | fadein | eightyeight: thanks - I haven't caught up on all of your bitmessage posts yet |
| 16:38.11 | youtah | that would be fun to play with |
| 16:38.25 | Migs | I'm trying to convince my boss to buy one for the office |
| 16:38.39 | Migs | but if he doesn't, I guess I will :) |
| 16:38.52 | eightyeight | fadein: are you on BM? are you following the 'privacy' channel? that's where this discussion took place. topic: "TRNG" |
| 16:39.05 | Migs | http://www.360.tv/gallery |
| 16:39.12 | youtah | other thing with panos like that, is that you have to then make sure you're not using any filters, and shoot all of the exposures in manual at the same settings, for an even blend. Upside is that you have a #%$^ load of data to work with |
| 16:39.15 | fadein | eightyeight: I'm not on BM, but my interest is piqued |
| 16:39.21 | eightyeight | nice |
| 16:39.32 | youtah | Downside to something like that, you only have as much as the camera has taking the one frame |
| 16:39.33 | fadein | you just gave me something to do after my final exam tomorrow! |
| 16:39.35 | youtah | although, no sitching |
| 16:39.48 | Migs | that makes sense |
| 16:40.06 | eightyeight | fadein: beware- because its "anonymous", there seem to be some miscreants, and a _lot_ of intolerant ignorance in some of the channels |
| 16:40.17 | eightyeight | i would advise against following "Bitchirp" |
| 16:41.00 | fadein | eightyeight: lol. I've played around a bit on YikYak; I don't have very high standards for the content on anonymous networks |
| 16:41.24 | fadein | nor do I understand people who take things they see there terribly seriously |
| 16:41.42 | fadein | but I appreciate the heads-up |
| 16:41.55 | eightyeight | you have to look past the antisemitism, pro-white racists, male chauvanist, 'murica mindset |
| 16:42.06 | eightyeight | if you can do that, you're good. :) |
| 16:43.12 | youtah | Migs, I am curious how much chromatic aberration there is |
| 16:43.17 | eightyeight | this is what uncensored, unmoderated free speech can look like though |
| 16:43.24 | eightyeight | as ugly as it may be |
| 16:43.47 | fadein | that's the price we pay |
| 16:44.09 | Migs | it seems fairly minimal from the examples I've seen...you mean in the GoPano lens, right? |
| 16:44.09 | fadein | eightyeight: so by being decentralized, it ought to be immune from the kind of interferrence that brought down LavaBit? |
| 16:44.35 | youtah | Migs, correct |
| 16:44.49 | youtah | http://www.kutv.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/Festival-of-Trees-teenage-female-volunteer-turned-away-for-wearing-pants-62245.shtml#.VIcm33W9_Nl |
| 16:48.29 | youtah | it's kind of sad when this is news |
| 16:48.31 | eightyeight | fadein: indeed |
| 16:48.40 | youtah | must have been a slow news day |
| 16:49.18 | eightyeight | fadein: every message is broadcast to all the connected nodes. if you have the private key, then you can decrypt the message. otherwise, the client ignores it |
| 16:49.46 | fadein | that's kinda cool |
| 16:49.46 | eightyeight | fadein: so, there are obvious scalability issues with BM, but that's been addressed with the concept of "streams", which isn't implemented yet |
| 16:50.05 | eightyeight | all messages are encrypted with public key crypto using ECC and SHA-256 for auth |
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| 16:50.30 | eightyeight | all messages also can only be sent to the destination, provided it solves a proof-of-work puzzle (which i also blogged about) |
| 16:51.11 | eightyeight | proof-of-work difficulty is per key, and only applies to newly created keys, as i understand it |
| 16:51.34 | eightyeight | but yeah, it's kind of fun |
| 16:51.45 | fadein | yeah, it sounds really cool |
| 16:52.00 | fadein | you should present on it at OpenWest |
| 16:52.06 | fadein | I'd love to see that |
| 16:52.09 | eightyeight | unfortunately, the main client is written in Python, which makes solving the proof-of-work puzzle slow, and less than optimal compared to C |
| 16:52.16 | eightyeight | i could do that |
| 16:55.34 | bregalad | http://rt.com/usa/212839-cia-torture-senate-report/ |
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| 17:03.14 | fadein | eightyeight: I really think you should. Maybe you'll convince enough quality people to join that the level of discourse may be raised ;) |
| 17:04.09 | eightyeight | ok. i'll submit a paper on it |
| 17:05.13 | fadein | Jayce^ eightyeight: Thanks! Now if somebody could just approve it... |
| 17:06.08 | eightyeight | in fact, i'll submit a paper on end-to-end encrypted solutions |
| 17:06.14 | eightyeight | bitmessage, tox, pgp, otr, etc |
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| 17:07.35 | bregalad | yes, please |
| 17:07.49 | eightyeight | i was going to be on an SSL/TLS panel at SAINTCON, but that got tabled for next year. maybe i could submit a paper on that also. |
| 17:08.23 | eightyeight | SSL 2.0, SSL 3.0, TLS 1.0, TLS 1.1, TLS 1.2, and the proposed TLS 1.3. ciphers, hashes, etc |
| 17:09.54 | bregalad | and TLS 1.4 |
| 17:10.14 | eightyeight | is that the special bregalad edition? |
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| 17:19.51 | bregalad | surely |
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| 17:28.37 | eightyeight | ok. i submitted a "crypto algs" talk and a "end-to-end crypto tools" talk |
| 17:28.45 | eightyeight | there will be very little overlap between the two |
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| 17:58.31 | fadein | eightyeight: awesome - I'll be looking forward to that |
| 18:11.53 | Migs | I was asked to play a Christmas song at church this Sunday. Conversation between me and my wife: Me: "Hey honey, would you like to play a Christmas song with me..." Her: "Oh yeah! I'd love to." Me: "...at church?" Her: "HELL NO." |
| 18:13.23 | Migs | (she plays the flute, I do the piano) |
| 18:13.32 | Migs | I don't even know what I'm doing yet, hmmm |
| 18:14.10 | Migs | I've always thought Santa Baby never got enough play during sacrament meetings |
| 18:16.16 | Migs | or You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch |
| 18:16.50 | manithree1 | Migs: Springsteen's "Santa Claus is coming to town" or that one Eagles Christmas song |
| 18:18.06 | Migs | oh, I forgot about Please Come Home for Christmas |
| 18:18.15 | Migs | I've never covered that one before |
| 18:23.18 | Jayce^ | Christmas Step (Christmas shoes, the dubstep remix).. just to really drive people nuts |
| 18:23.26 | manithree1 | Blue Christma |
| 18:23.29 | manithree1 | s |
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| 18:24.36 | Migs | Jayce^: I'm not entirely sure how I can play that on the piano |
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| 18:31.56 | Jayce^ | makes it *that* much better |
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| 18:55.09 | unum | I just happened to decide to upgrade my fedora boxes today..... |
| 18:55.32 | unum | looked to see the newest version and forgot what day it was |
| 18:56.18 | unum | I thought 21 was realeased earlier this month |
| 18:57.08 | jima | nope. today. |
| 18:57.11 | unum | anyways, eightyeight do you know when the fedora 21 mirror will be accessiable |
| 18:57.33 | unum | I'm right in the middle of an upgrade and rather not have to repoint my repos away from xmission |
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| 18:59.53 | eightyeight | i can manually run the rsync now, if you don't mind waiting for a bit |
| 19:00.09 | unum | that works |
| 19:00.55 | eightyeight | running. i'll let you know when it finishes |
| 19:00.59 | unum | thank you |
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| 21:11.46 | bregalad | ~napoleon eightyeight |
| 21:11.46 | infobot | ACTION eats all of eightyeight's steak |
| 21:30.15 | eightyeight | unum: the fedora sync should be finished |
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| 21:39.54 | bregalad | what about the fedora async? |
| 21:40.10 | bregalad | nsync |
| 21:46.00 | unum | eightyeight: thanks |
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| 22:14.48 | goozbach | morning! |
| 22:17.22 | RyanE | morning. |
| 22:17.54 | RyanE | That's what my aussie friend says every day at 3:00pm, in a different IRC channel. |
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| 22:26.06 | asoc | RyanE: looks like goozbach just sleeps in about 14 minutes longer than your friend. |
| 22:26.15 | RyanE | and he's in australia? |
| 22:26.19 | RyanE | woah |
| 22:29.20 | asoc | 14 minutes in a Universal "everyone having the same time" scenario where one on the east coast would typically wake up hours earlier than west coast peoples |
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| 23:27.31 | romanovic | who here works for Vivint and can tell me who to bribe to get wireless? |
| 23:27.49 | romanovic | they've been installing wireless for several of our neighbors on our street |
| 23:28.28 | romanovic | a couple weeks ago I called them out for a second time to see if they could install it, but they still said they couldn't get a strong signal. |
| 23:28.39 | romanovic | This morning they were at our next door neighbor's house |
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