| 00:03.56 | eightyeight | what's up? |
| 00:04.56 | wildcat | remembe the SPXOps thing I showed you |
| 00:04.57 | wildcat | ? |
| 00:05.01 | wildcat | err. *remember |
| 00:06.15 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 00:07.06 | wildcat | I just made a cool POC with it |
| 00:07.23 | wildcat | I implemented a client for solaris, which takes iostat numbers and send 'em to the server |
| 00:07.32 | wildcat | so you can collect metrics with 1s step update |
| 00:07.38 | wildcat | the server stores them in a rrd |
| 00:07.40 | wildcat | and... |
| 00:07.46 | wildcat | https://spxops.espix.net/view/w/rrd/i/18 |
| 00:07.50 | wildcat | (demo / demo123) |
| 00:09.16 | eightyeight | very nice |
| 00:09.33 | wildcat | I tried to think this to scale |
| 00:09.43 | wildcat | like, what if you have 1000 servers sending 1000 probes each second... |
| 00:09.54 | wildcat | still need to improve a lot of the server code, but I think it might work well :] |
| 00:11.15 | eightyeight | yeah, it looks good |
| 00:11.39 | wildcat | so, I still don't intend this to be a monitoring tool like cacti |
| 00:11.59 | wildcat | but having this to correlate data accross servers and stuff with real time graphing |
| 00:12.03 | wildcat | that should be just awesome |
| 00:12.03 | eightyeight | although, i'm not sure what value up it of they second updates have, as I'm generally not watching the browser |
| 00:12.31 | wildcat | and I'm not aware of any product doing that (for free) |
| 00:12.41 | wildcat | eightyeight: what do you mean? |
| 00:14.06 | eightyeight | I guess it's another way to get updated disk seeks, rather than looking at logs |
| 00:15.17 | wildcat | yeep, that, zpool iostat, and maybe some dtrace metrics as well |
| 00:15.21 | wildcat | (for solaris, at least) |
| 00:16.14 | wildcat | anyway, it's 1:15 AM here, so I'd rather go to sleep.. I didn't wanted to before having completed this thing :p |
| 00:16.44 | eightyeight | looks good. I may just install it, and play with it |
| 00:16.49 | wildcat | hehe |
| 00:17.17 | wildcat | the rrd thing of it is still undocumented, I pushed an early phase of it earlier today |
| 00:17.32 | wildcat | and I don't think I'll push today's code until tomorrow, as it needs a lot of improvements on the server side |
| 00:17.49 | wildcat | and then write a proper client for solaris/linux |
| 00:18.22 | wildcat | anyway, I'll keep you posted if you want to ;) |
| 00:18.28 | wildcat | & |
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| 05:02.59 | goozbach | boo! |
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| 15:22.00 | brasian | somebody has a case of the monday's! |
| 15:22.23 | jima | klys: utah is lousy with profitable call centers...you just have to avoid any mom-and-pop shops. |
| 15:22.38 | jima | gives brasian a stack of tps reports in need of cover sheets |
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| 15:50.29 | eightyeight | anyone see the new 70mph limit signs posted on I-15 this morning? curious if the DOT has started putting up the stickers/signs yet |
| 15:50.55 | klys | have I found a mom-and-pop business in utah...perhaps one that sells ccomputer parts |
| 15:51.05 | jima | i didn't notice i-15, but the stretch of i-215 i was on didn't have 'em yet. |
| 15:51.27 | asoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.35 | jima | klys: i've never worked for anything short of a multinational enterprise in utah |
| 15:51.39 | asoc | I wasn't sure when they were putting them up. |
| 15:51.57 | jima | from what i heard (news blurb), the change SHOULD be in effect today |
| 15:52.25 | jima | naturally i'll never let my car get past 65 until i see the signs |
| 15:52.26 | asoc | Well that means no more driving 75 on the interstates |
| 15:52.41 | jima | yeah, i know |
| 15:52.42 | jima | or 80 |
| 15:52.46 | eightyeight | i haven't seen them yet. supposedly, they go in effect today though |
| 15:53.00 | jima | not that i would ever speed |
| 15:53.06 | jima | EVER |
| 15:53.12 | eightyeight | although, going 80 means 10 over the limit, not 15. although, i hear the UHP will be more aggressive in overages |
| 15:53.50 | jima | yeah, their friday statement was "we're against this change," by monday they changed it to "we support this change, but we're going to enforce it" |
| 15:53.57 | asoc | Yea I heard the same thing: You are more likely to get a ticket going 75 after they change to 70 than before |
| 15:54.25 | eightyeight | that means they need to be on the road then |
| 15:55.06 | eightyeight | maybe i'm catching them at the wrong time, but as a daily commuter the past 15 years, i've rarely seen them on the stretch between ogden and slc |
| 15:55.52 | jima | i see them regularly during my extremely short commute |
| 15:56.05 | jima | ~15mi daily |
| 15:56.10 | jima | (i think?) |
| 15:56.14 | eightyeight | all of my moving violations have been on city roads. i have never received a ticket on the freeway |
| 15:57.06 | jima | ~17mi |
| 15:57.35 | jima | i've never received a ticket, period. i've had two equipment violation warnings, one of which was also a speeding warning. |
| 15:57.55 | jima | well, traffic ticket, i've had parking tickets |
| 15:58.04 | eightyeight | heh |
| 15:58.45 | jima | clearly we can take that to mean that i never speed |
| 15:58.58 | eightyeight | i think my last moving violation was ~ 5-6 years ago |
| 15:59.01 | eightyeight | yeah. i'm a lead foot. |
| 15:59.30 | eightyeight | & |
| 15:59.35 | jima | my wife's last one was about 10 years ago. |
| 16:03.37 | bregalad | ~napoleon |
| 16:03.37 | infobot | It's a liger, bred for its skills in magic. |
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| 16:14.01 | unum | my second to last ticket was from that woman who was being investigated |
| 16:14.12 | unum | she was tail gating me so I sped up.... |
| 16:14.36 | unum | the one after that was right across the street from the court house.. |
| 16:14.51 | unum | my problem is my ADD I never know what speed I'm driving |
| 16:15.24 | unum | I'll keep speed with who ever is in front of me, but if no one is in front of me.... |
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| 16:24.34 | magmu | I see UHP pretty often on my daily commute...but they are always in the same place on I15 heading to the 201 merge. Im just in the habit of slowing down in the places they hide at this point. |
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| 16:38.19 | asoc | I wonder how much they will crack down on the 65 mph limit on 201 as it didn't change. |
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| 16:57.02 | manithree1 | https://medium.com/@blakeross/uber-gov-29db5fdff372 |
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| 18:23.19 | programmerq | is there anyone doing lunch in lehi or american fork that wouldn't mind letting me tag along? |
| 18:24.48 | jima | is, happily, not down there. ;-) |
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| 20:43.53 | bregalad | having walked away from two major accidents, all I can say is that the faster you drive, the closer to death you are |
| 20:45.36 | bregalad | basic freeway speed already accounts for enough energy to rip life out of your body in multitudes of ways |
| 20:46.06 | bregalad | heck, even sub freeway speeds |
| 20:47.00 | jima | bregalad is just a happy ray of sunshine today |
| 20:56.46 | davido_ | I can't believe I might have to mow my lawn this week. |
| 20:57.01 | jima | typical utah december |
| 20:57.27 | davido_ | lol, typical? |
| 20:58.13 | davido_ | http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/salt-lake-city-ut/84111/december-weather/331216 |
| 21:00.48 | davido_ | Nice temperature graph on that page. On my monitor four of the lines are so close in color that I can't tell what some of them represent. |
| 21:20.32 | jima | context clues |
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| 21:59.58 | eightyeight | it's amazing to me how often the rpm(8) db can get itself in a bad state: http://ae7.st/p/4as |
| 22:00.03 | eightyeight | i have to fight that at least monthly |
| 22:00.09 | eightyeight | ~lart rpm |
| 22:00.09 | infobot | beats rpm to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 22:04.11 | jima | what horrific things are you doing to your rpmdb? i run into that maaaaybe once a year, and almost always it's a crash in the middle of a transaction. |
| 22:05.19 | eightyeight | "yum clean all; yum makecache; yum update foo" |
| 22:05.22 | eightyeight | terrible, i know |
| 22:05.47 | eightyeight | invaribly, an RPM db will go south, and i get to fix it manually |
| 22:05.51 | eightyeight | at least monthly |
| 22:06.08 | jima | on what, a pentium pro? :-) |
| 22:06.23 | jima | that's...curious. |
| 22:06.55 | eightyeight | it's not abnormal, is the problem |
| 22:07.12 | jima | strongly questions eightyeight's grasp of the word "invariably" |
| 22:07.13 | eightyeight | so many times teaching for GL, a student would install or update a package, only for it to fail on _something_ |
| 22:07.32 | eightyeight | "yum clean all" is the solution, of course |
| 22:07.39 | eightyeight | but then other things break |
| 22:07.41 | eightyeight | oh, so fun |
| 22:07.47 | jima | if you're horking your rpmdb on _every_ transaction, the problem doesn't sound like rpm/yum. |
| 22:08.41 | eightyeight | i don't see how "salt -G 'os_family:RedHat' cmd.run 'yum clean all; yum makecache; yum update salt-minion; service salt-minion restart'" can break rpm |
| 22:08.55 | eightyeight | i certainly don't have this problem with apt(8) |
| 22:09.23 | jima | so, every time you run that command it breaks the rpmdb? |
| 22:09.50 | eightyeight | no |
| 22:09.55 | eightyeight | just _sometimes_ |
| 22:09.57 | bregalad | jima: maybe he means 'variably' :) |
| 22:10.04 | jima | invariably: in every case or on every occasion; always. |
| 22:10.13 | jima | bregalad: that may very well be |
| 22:10.16 | eightyeight | but, it's frequent enough, that i can count on at least one or two of the RPM databases to break running that command |
| 22:10.27 | eightyeight | and, guess what i'm fixing now? |
| 22:10.38 | jima | hyperbole and reasoned discourse don't generally go hand-in-hand |
| 22:10.43 | bregalad | if it's frequent enough, rather than stochastic enough, I guess that means you need a cron task |
| 22:10.53 | jima | why not just throw "rpm dependency hell" out there while you're at it? |
| 22:11.02 | bregalad | jima: impossible, that's my natural state of conscience |
| 22:11.28 | jima | bregalad: well, i think we've established that you're special. ;-) |
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| 22:12.30 | bregalad | yes! |
| 22:12.33 | bregalad | fist pump |
| 22:12.50 | jima | i'd say 95+% of the time, removing the __db.* files is enough to settle rpmdb |
| 22:32.23 | shalkie | Wow, this YikYak thing is kinda sad. |
| 22:32.51 | shalkie | https://silverskylabs.github.io/yakhak/ |
| 22:34.08 | rsimpkins | shalkie: Maybe YikYak was just trolling the trolls? |
| 22:38.32 | eightyeight | shalkie: hmm. it's sad that the devs developed such a vulnerable app, but i like that more and more, we're seeing interest in anonymous and end-to-end encrypted apps |
| 22:38.37 | eightyeight | the world is getting more privacy aware |
| 22:41.22 | shalkie | rsimpkins: YikYak as a secret honeypot? ;) |
| 22:42.55 | shalkie | eightyeight: Yeah, it is good to see that. I am pondering playing with PirateBox. |
| 22:43.38 | eightyeight | <3 bitmessage |
| 22:43.45 | eightyeight | and tox |
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| 23:16.18 | harleypig | With minecraft, isn't there a way to store multiple versions of mods in the mods directory? So, for 1.8 there would be mods/1.8; for 1.7.10 there would be mods/1.7.10? I've tried that but that didn't work. |
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| 23:44.19 | tristanbob | eightyeight, I agree that we should encourage anonymous communication. Just like standing up for free speech, we should also stand up for anonymous speech. |