| 00:01.07 | joshh | levi: iirc you do low level stuff, so may be more shielded from the barrage of new and shiny things, but it's definitely a thing now |
| 00:01.36 | joshh | replaced activemq at my last place, does all logs here, and feeds into realtime processing stuff at both |
| 00:03.21 | levi | I hear about some new and shiny things, but Kafka was not one of them. |
| 00:04.50 | levi | Apparently nobody reads anymore. :P |
| 00:13.04 | levi | Well, apparently the guy who named it had read Kafka and liked him, but the extent of the name association was "The software writes, and Kafka is a writer, and the name sounds cool." So disappointing. |
| 00:13.58 | joshh | ya, that's weak |
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| 00:23.08 | jlp_znc | well, it's better than just "this name sounds cool" |
| 00:23.39 | levi | I think it's worse than just "this name sounds cool" |
| 00:23.50 | levi | At least there's the excuse of ignorance then. |
| 00:24.15 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 00:31.23 | levi | Bah, damn it, how am I supposed to validate GPIO usage when I can't even get use of one of the devices with the GPIOs brought out to the debug header?! |
| 00:40.50 | RyanE | levi: guessing? :) |
| 00:43.04 | levi | Maybe I'll just work on the other stuff on my plate and tell them to let me know when the additional modules arrive. :P |
| 00:43.29 | RyanE | Finish that time machine so you can go back and tell them to be sure and include the IOs on the debug header. |
| 00:46.35 | levi | Well, we don't make the modules. All the boards are the same, except a couple of the boards have the debug daughterboard chopped off. |
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| 02:08.59 | Sargun | levi: Who did you work for when you were doing low latency audio? |
| 02:16.21 | TodPunk | Sargun: Harmon |
| 02:19.49 | Sargun | TodPunk: Which brand? |
| 02:28.30 | fadein | speaking of Kafka, there was an XSL transformer (it may also have been an Apache project) that contained a class called "GregorSamsa" |
| 02:28.51 | fadein | get it? Metamorphosis <=> an XSL Transformer #lol |
| 02:29.56 | fadein | anyway, I wasn't as well-read back when I worked on it, and seeing org.apache.xsl.xsltfactory.objectMethodCaller.GregorSamsa.someStupidMethod() in stacktraces wasn't very helpful |
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| 17:04.04 | levi | Sargun: I work for Harman, in a group under the CTO. |
| 17:07.00 | eightyeight | <3 harman kardon |
| 17:07.50 | eightyeight | although, i'm not a big fan of jbl, ironically enough |
| 17:08.58 | levi | The JBL name is on a lot of stuff. Which of it don't you like? |
| 17:09.18 | levi | I am a huge fan of AKG headphones. |
| 17:09.47 | eightyeight | last i heard jbl, which admittedly has been a good decade, they accentuated the highs and a the lows in their speakers, but the mids seemed lacking |
| 17:09.48 | levi | The JBL Flip and Charge are pretty nice, for what they are. |
| 17:09.54 | eightyeight | they don't feel "warm" to me |
| 17:10.17 | eightyeight | they have a very "american sound", if that's a thing |
| 17:11.29 | levi | Huh. Well, probably a lot has changed in the last decade. |
| 17:11.35 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 17:11.48 | RyanE | Yeah, for instance, I have even *less* hair. |
| 17:11.49 | bregalad | all I want from speakers is to sound like the concert |
| 17:11.52 | eightyeight | i have been out of the high audio sound for a while |
| 17:12.10 | bregalad | I guess I only care about classical music, so that really nails down my use case |
| 17:12.42 | levi | I can tell you we have some really amazing speaker design guys, and we have done a lot of interesting scientific studies around speaker sound and listener preferences. |
| 17:15.16 | eightyeight | i wonder what polk audio sounds like these days |
| 17:15.59 | bregalad | my current speakers are polk monitor 40s, they're not bad, but I don't really know how to compare them to anything else |
| 17:17.18 | eightyeight | i have the monitor 35 bookshelf speakers for my home system. i love them. |
| 17:26.33 | levi | I have an Infinity home theater system at home hooked up to a HK receiver. Mostly I listen to music with headphones, though. |
| 17:29.37 | levi | I have a hard time finding headphones that are comfortable for long periods, and the AKG K550s have *huge* earcups and are soft enough that the only issue I have with them is heat over time. |
| 17:32.33 | Sargun | levi: How does that work? |
| 17:32.42 | bregalad | levi: you should install ventilation fans |
| 17:34.01 | eightyeight | bregalad: why the nick change? |
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| 17:57.34 | asoc | levi: I love my Sennheiser HD598s for all day listening. I wonder if the open design helps them not heat up but I have never ran into that as an issue. |
| 17:58.07 | asoc | It does come with the drawback of not being able to listen to music loud but if I am listening all day I don't want it loud anyways. |
| 18:01.08 | asoc | Well I guess I could listen to music loud but only if it was music that everyone in the cubes next to me wanted to listen to as well. |
| 18:02.13 | bregalad | eightyeight: because someone haxored my other nick's pw |
| 18:02.25 | bregalad | and I wasn't really caring that much for it anyway |
| 18:02.31 | joshh | what was your other nick |
| 18:02.41 | eightyeight | bregalad is the old jfindlay |
| 18:02.44 | bregalad | I'm just annoyed at the size of the freenode nickspace |
| 18:02.50 | joshh | ah |
| 18:02.51 | bregalad | s/nickspace/namespace/ |
| 18:02.57 | joshh | what ever happened to elg |
| 18:03.13 | joshh | he was a staple in here back when i first started joining |
| 18:03.20 | joshh | which seems like forever ago |
| 18:03.47 | eightyeight | iirc, he was having marriage troubles, which may account for his absense |
| 18:03.57 | eightyeight | like 3-4 years ago, i think |
| 18:04.03 | bregalad | I've always thought middle earth mythology provides many great names to choose from, but in the end I don't really care or care for what I've got |
| 18:04.13 | joshh | some wives make their main quit world of warcraft, his makes him quit irc? |
| 18:04.51 | eightyeight | no. i think his life changed enough, that irc went to the back burner |
| 18:05.10 | bregalad | but names are invariably significant in human psychology |
| 18:05.11 | eightyeight | _if_ he got divorced/separated. maybe things worked out. i never found out, actually. |
| 18:05.20 | eightyeight | IE: i have no idea |
| 18:05.30 | bregalad | eightyeight: because you're not on facebook :-) |
| 18:05.31 | joshh | i see |
| 18:05.48 | bregalad | which elg necessarily dogfoods, I'm guessing |
| 18:06.06 | eightyeight | is he still working for fb? |
| 18:07.05 | bregalad | that's the hard thing about being a software worker: there's high value on 'company man' ideology |
| 18:09.06 | magmu | asoc thats why you get closed ears for work :P |
| 18:09.48 | bregalad | eightyeight: yes |
| 18:10.04 | youtah | https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1779130_602656433196457_4939152586028488048_n.jpg?oh=d4ca17c6845697a23e519b4539a46984&oe=54D30751&__gda__=1427012972_fce7cf1c34b6c6f9cc50c2ff5ca3b976 |
| 18:10.07 | magmu | Also does anybody know if SLI plays well in linux these days? Seeing mixed things on forums.. |
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| 18:11.29 | bregalad | google came back around for me about a month ago, I told them I had been enlightened to their predatory predilections upon gulliblity |
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| 18:52.02 | levi | asoc: Open-back headphones probably don't trap as much heat, yeah. The K550s are closed-back, which is great to block out the ambient sound. |
| 18:52.50 | levi | eightyeight: He's still working for fb and is fortunately still happily married. |
| 18:53.12 | eightyeight | good |
| 18:53.27 | eightyeight | in that case, someone resurrect his irc box. ;) |
| 18:54.31 | levi | Heh. I think he's just moved on from IRC in general. There's not *that* much going on here. |
| 18:56.01 | eightyeight | youtah seems to keeps it going pretty good |
| 18:58.04 | bregalad | and infobot knows some exciting new commands |
| 18:58.07 | bregalad | ~moss |
| 18:58.07 | infobot | Well that's easy to remember. 0118 999 88199 9119 725! 3! |
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| 19:30.33 | levi | The best-named software project is "American Fuzzy Lop" |
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| 19:38.21 | bregalad | ~seen elg |
| 19:38.26 | infobot | elg <~fugalh@taran.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 804d 20h 9m 36s ago, saying: '~lart goozbach '. |
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| 19:43.15 | asoc | levi: Yea ambient noise is at times bothersome but when I get focused it isn't too bad. |
| 19:43.23 | asoc | The sound quality trumps the annoyance. |
| 19:44.23 | levi | These AKG cans have very nice sound despite their closed-back nature. |
| 19:56.06 | asoc | YEa that is what I have heard |
| 19:57.16 | asoc | I wanted one of each but didn't have the money for that so I went open. |
| 19:58.16 | levi | The AKG Q701 is supposed to be a really nice set of open-back headphones, but I haven't tried it myself. |
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| 19:58.53 | levi | The JBL Synchros line is supposed to be nice, too, though I think tuned a bit more bass-heavy. |
| 19:59.21 | asoc | I have also had ear issues (perforations and infections mostly, Luckily nothing damaging long term wise) which add sensitivity to certain activities. The open ear seems to be nicer to that one ear. |
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| 19:59.58 | asoc | I wish we had somewhere you could go and demo heagphones. |
| 20:00.23 | asoc | Like you can with racqutball racquets. Pay for the shipping, use them a week and ship them back |
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| 20:08.47 | bregalad | asoc: I've gone to Musician's Friend many years ago |
| 20:09.07 | bregalad | they had a cd player with more than a dozen phones plugged into it |
| 20:10.30 | mrpull | anybody else having issues reaching google? |
| 20:11.08 | davido___ | http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 20:11.42 | davido___ | or http://www.isup.me |
| 20:11.52 | davido___ | (I'm not having issues, btw) |
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| 20:13.47 | mrpull | looks like packet loss between XO and Google for me |
| 20:13.50 | mrpull | (XO is my ISP) |
| 20:14.02 | davido___ | is xo xfiniti online? |
| 20:14.42 | mrpull | nah, XO Communications. They don't do residential. One of the bigger phone companies. |
| 20:14.49 | davido___ | oh, k |
| 20:15.48 | mrpull | looks like it is improving, now "just" 48% packet loss compared to the 100% before |
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| 20:31.34 | asoc | bregalad: did they used to have an store side? |
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| 20:36.32 | bregalad | asoc: the location I went to was in West Valley near I-215 and Redwood |
| 20:38.33 | bregalad | I don't know if they're still around |
| 20:42.17 | youtah | http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370734-witness-40-journal-entry.html |
| 20:42.24 | youtah | http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html |
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| 20:49.19 | asoc | bregalad: ahhh There is a Guitar Center there now . I would imagine it was the same place. Bunch of other demos but not really headphones. :( |
| 20:52.32 | programmerq | youtah: I can't handle this handwriting :/ |
| 20:52.41 | youtah | dude |
| 20:52.44 | youtah | it killed me programmerq |
| 20:52.50 | bregalad | I remember Guitar Center buying Musician's Friend, or something like that happening me a long time ago |
| 20:52.58 | youtah | This is the other one http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370766-interview-po-darren-wilson.html |
| 20:53.11 | RyanE | Yeah, I couldn't read it, either. |
| 20:53.12 | RyanE | too loopy |
| 21:10.41 | RyanE | I sense a great disturbance in the Force: http://www.starwars.com/films/star-wars-episode-vii-the-force-awakens |
| 21:14.17 | wildcat | Hey there, I'm from Belgium and looking to move to Utah in about a year from now |
| 21:14.52 | RyanE | welcome |
| 21:15.11 | wildcat | thanks ;-) |
| 21:15.31 | RyanE | do you know where you'll be moving to in the state? Job-related move? |
| 21:15.53 | wildcat | well, I'm thinking about SLC, at least for a start, as it's easier to be in a large town to get used to the life there |
| 21:16.21 | programmerq | from the loopy writing, it sounds like what some witnesses called "hands up" was the kid trying to intimidate "come at me bro" style |
| 21:16.25 | wildcat | that's not really a job related move, I'm already working remotely for an US company, from which I'm hoping to get the H1B visa from |
| 21:17.19 | RyanE | what's your family situation? Single? Married? Family? |
| 21:17.38 | wildcat | married with one child |
| 21:17.41 | wildcat | soon to be two ;] |
| 21:17.51 | RyanE | I ask because SLC has never been accused of having too much of a nightlife. :) |
| 21:18.04 | wildcat | heh |
| 21:19.19 | levi | Well, it has more of a nightlife than some rural places, I'm sure. :P |
| 21:20.16 | wildcat | yeah well, we don't have that much night life with two kids ;-) |
| 21:20.30 | asoc | What do you mean rural places have no nightlife! When I went to visit Beaver It was decent. Well until about 9 oclock when everything was closed.... |
| 21:21.04 | wildcat | and well, Belgium in general is pretty quiet in that regard except for the "big" cities |
| 21:21.24 | wildcat | everything close at 6pm except night-shops which close at 10pm :] |
| 21:21.34 | wildcat | so I guess I won't be bothered |
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| 21:21.58 | youtah | Jayce^ posted this on Facebook too, one of the best recaps http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/ferguson-grand-jury-findings/?hpid=z1 |
| 21:22.53 | wildcat | I notice the ##lds in the topic here, is the channel affiliated to LDS church or .. ? |
| 21:23.07 | jlp_znc | wildcat: where will you be working? as in, what part of the valley. may make a difference on where you choose to live (i.e., if you're working in Provo, you probably don't want to live in SLC unless you like driving a lot) |
| 21:23.18 | wildcat | jlp_znc: I'm working from home |
| 21:23.22 | wildcat | and will continue to do so |
| 21:23.27 | jlp_znc | well, then, that solves that problem :-) |
| 21:23.37 | wildcat | as I said, I'm already working for an US based company and would keep doing so ;-) |
| 21:23.48 | wildcat | just hoping to move from freelance to employee |
| 21:24.00 | jlp_znc | are you comfortable with city life or would you prefer a more suburban area? |
| 21:24.02 | RyanE | wildcat: Not officially affilliated with the LDS church, many of us here are members, people often have LDS-related questions in #Utah. |
| 21:24.22 | youtah | I prefer more of a nacho life personally |
| 21:24.39 | RyanE | is the company you're freelancing for located in Utah? |
| 21:25.04 | bregalad | ~nacho |
| 21:25.04 | infobot | Tonight I wrestle the seven strongest men in town, maybe the world. |
| 21:25.45 | wildcat | jlp_znc: well, I don't really know yet as I'm living in a completely different culture/country/continent |
| 21:25.51 | jlp_znc | for example, I would never want to live in the city. I live in Murray, which is about 10 miles from downtown SLC |
| 21:26.13 | wildcat | jlp_znc: so I guess I'd stick around the city, trying to be "integrated" and then choose when I know the place more |
| 21:26.17 | wildcat | I've only been in SLC once |
| 21:26.40 | jlp_znc | do you want to live in a house or apartment? |
| 21:26.55 | wildcat | RyanE: nope, officially it's atlanta based, but almost all of the company is distributed and working remotely |
| 21:27.18 | wildcat | jlp_znc: house |
| 21:28.31 | RyanE | When you say "SLC", a *lot* of different options are considered "SLC". There are suburbs of SLC, small cities that have been enveloped into SLC, county properties, etc. |
| 21:28.39 | RyanE | very spread out. |
| 21:29.02 | jlp_znc | yes, I would say that, given you want to live in a house, you should evaluate the entire Salt Lake County area |
| 21:29.24 | wildcat | well, I thought about being not far from downtown, while renting |
| 21:29.32 | RyanE | basically, you need to look more at cities *around* SLC, find one you like, then search there. |
| 21:29.35 | wildcat | and then discovering the place I find interesting |
| 21:29.35 | jlp_znc | Salt Lake City, South Salt Lake, Murray, Sugar House, Holliday |
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| 21:29.55 | RyanE | There aren't a lot of housing options *in* downtown. |
| 21:29.56 | wildcat | I got a friend in boutyful, if I recall correctly the city name |
| 21:30.00 | RyanE | bountiful |
| 21:30.03 | wildcat | yeah |
| 21:30.04 | wildcat | right :p |
| 21:30.15 | wildcat | (I'm french-native, btw) |
| 21:30.28 | wildcat | so please forgive any mistake I might make ;-) |
| 21:30.30 | jlp_znc | your English is very good |
| 21:30.34 | RyanE | agreed |
| 21:30.38 | jlp_znc | better than a lot of native speakers :-) |
| 21:30.40 | bregalad | your French is even better |
| 21:31.24 | wildcat | haha |
| 21:31.29 | wildcat | Merci! :) |
| 21:32.27 | bregalad | SLC is a great place to live |
| 21:32.30 | wildcat | so yeah, I think I've seen some housing in SLC itself |
| 21:32.41 | wildcat | which were around the price/size I might find |
| 21:32.56 | RyanE | there is some, in what are called "The Avenues", north and east of downtown. |
| 21:33.25 | bregalad | there are many great neighborhoods within SLC near downtown |
| 21:33.37 | bregalad | the avenues happen to be the most (in)famous |
| 21:33.39 | jlp_znc | http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_rent/UT/house_type/55_rid/days_sort/40.898203,-111.493034,40.447208,-112.382927_rect/10_zm/ <- zillow search for houses in the SLC area |
| 21:33.52 | wildcat | is this like 11th ave ? |
| 21:34.23 | wildcat | yeah I've seen zillow already, looks awesome |
| 21:34.39 | bregalad | it's called the avenues, because some doofus decided to structure the streets different than the *entire rest of the county* |
| 21:34.44 | wildcat | bregalad: is this a quiet place, I mean, crime-wise and such? |
| 21:35.16 | bregalad | SLC is pretty even crime wise, it may be a little worse on the west side where I live, but it's not bad at all |
| 21:35.53 | wildcat | mmh okay, that's kind of what I heard |
| 21:36.05 | jlp_znc | even some places that were historically bad (like Woods Cross) are actually not that bad any more |
| 21:36.46 | bregalad | and the west side is currently undergoing a rapid hipsterfication |
| 21:36.47 | RyanE | most places in the valley are very safe, crime-wise. |
| 21:37.13 | wildcat | oh I also see google fiber in the topic |
| 21:37.16 | jlp_znc | will your kids be in school? |
| 21:37.20 | wildcat | is that available near salt lake? |
| 21:37.28 | jlp_znc | google fiber is only in Provo, so far as I know |
| 21:37.29 | wildcat | I mean, downtown, the avenues and such? |
| 21:37.31 | bregalad | that's provo |
| 21:37.33 | wildcat | ah allright :] |
| 21:37.37 | wildcat | too bad :p |
| 21:37.43 | wildcat | would that leave me with only comcast as option? |
| 21:37.45 | bregalad | provo sold their homegrown fiber network to google |
| 21:37.51 | bregalad | basically |
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| 21:37.56 | asoc | UTOPIA is an option for many parts |
| 21:38.12 | wildcat | allright |
| 21:38.21 | wildcat | jlp_znc: ah, well, kids is a bid complex I'd say |
| 21:38.28 | wildcat | jlp_znc: still need a bit of research on that |
| 21:38.33 | asoc | But it isn't the whole valley. It is kinda spotty |
| 21:38.34 | bregalad | SLC is one of the cities that was hoodwinked by qworst and comcast |
| 21:38.41 | wildcat | jlp_znc: but our plan (with my wife) would be that... we would try homeschooling |
| 21:38.46 | wildcat | to be able to teach them french |
| 21:38.50 | jlp_znc | good plan |
| 21:38.53 | wildcat | and have them to go for a lot of external activities |
| 21:38.54 | joshh | bregalad: it was also rocky anderson's fault |
| 21:39.06 | wildcat | I saw that utah in general got some nice non profit association for homeschooling support |
| 21:39.11 | bregalad | joshh: I'm sure it was :) |
| 21:39.15 | bregalad | that guy was crazy |
| 21:39.16 | wildcat | and I also saw that there was a french school there |
| 21:39.19 | joshh | he was against it, and said he thought people should be outside exercising instead of downloading files quickly |
| 21:39.33 | wildcat | which I still need to contact to check if my kid could have the exam he need there |
| 21:39.35 | wildcat | in french then |
| 21:40.03 | wildcat | and eventually have him some english class somewhere |
| 21:40.18 | wildcat | as my english is Ok but maybe not that good to teach it to somebody |
| 21:40.43 | wildcat | here, homeschooling is rather seen as creepy |
| 21:40.49 | joshh | i saw a good tweet from a french speaker, or some other european native |
| 21:40.52 | joshh | that basically said |
| 21:41.22 | joshh | all of us non-native english speakers would like to remind native english speakers to say would have/could have instead of would of/could of, because it confuses them |
| 21:41.32 | bregalad | homeschooling is something of a cottage virtue in Utah |
| 21:41.47 | jlp_znc | home schooling is fairly popular in utah as the public schools are so overcrowded |
| 21:42.10 | wildcat | nice |
| 21:42.12 | wildcat | you know |
| 21:42.20 | wildcat | here if you say to somebody that you're going to homeschool |
| 21:42.23 | joshh | all the homeschooled kids i knew while growing up were only homeschooled so they could talk about religion and not much else |
| 21:42.35 | wildcat | they just look you like you're weird and that your kids probably have a mental disorder |
| 21:42.42 | RyanE | heh |
| 21:42.56 | wildcat | it's really great to here something different when speaking to you guys ;-) |
| 21:43.00 | wildcat | arg |
| 21:43.04 | wildcat | my eyes burn |
| 21:43.09 | wildcat | s/here/hear/ |
| 21:43.11 | wildcat | sorry it's late. |
| 21:43.19 | RyanE | I have a friend who homeschooled his kids out in Eagle Mountain. They went to High School, though, to 'mainstream' into college. |
| 21:43.29 | bregalad | it's always 14:00 somewhere |
| 21:43.50 | bregalad | downtown SLC has many great alternative schooling options |
| 21:44.50 | wildcat | it's 10pm here :] |
| 21:44.56 | joshh | how crowded are the schools in utah these days? |
| 21:45.07 | RyanE | wildcat: if you're getting tired at 10pm, you'll fit in fine here. :) |
| 21:45.10 | youtah | Depends on the county/city/district |
| 21:45.15 | joshh | my kids elementary classes in SF have 21 and 22 kids respectively, kindergarten and first grade |
| 21:45.17 | jlp_znc | joshh: I'm not sure right now. my son has been doing online high school |
| 21:45.38 | joshh | and i think 22 is the state legal max |
| 21:45.40 | jlp_znc | wildcat: you have to watch out for bullying in the public schools, too. |
| 21:46.00 | wildcat | RyanE: hah, well I'm not really tired.. though this evening was kind of special.. been at the ER to get 3 stiches to the boy |
| 21:46.26 | jlp_znc | I think in elementary school they were averaging 33-34 (about five years ago) in Murray |
| 21:46.37 | bregalad | wildcat: you should come to work for saltstack :) |
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| 21:47.02 | wildcat | bregalad: what's saltstack? |
| 21:47.10 | youtah | it's awesome |
| 21:47.20 | bregalad | stacks of salt |
| 21:47.20 | wildcat | aaah right |
| 21:47.22 | bregalad | jk |
| 21:47.26 | wildcat | yeah I heard of it |
| 21:48.05 | wildcat | bregalad: I'm probably over-priced :p |
| 21:48.21 | joshh | heh |
| 21:48.56 | wildcat | any solaris/zfs sysadmin here? |
| 21:49.18 | tvc123 | cries as he raises his hand (last job) |
| 21:49.23 | tvc123 | not current |
| 21:49.27 | wildcat | hehe |
| 21:49.37 | wildcat | tvc123: ever heard of wesunsolve.net? |
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| 21:49.53 | tvc123 | althought zfs kicks ass ... solaris 10 ... not so much |
| 21:50.23 | joshh | bregalad: how big is saltstack, employee wise? |
| 21:50.27 | tvc123 | wildcat: nope just went to the url thought and looks like they have closed up shop |
| 21:50.34 | wildcat | I know |
| 21:50.38 | joshh | it strikes me as one of the more interesting employment options in the SLC area |
| 21:51.08 | wildcat | tvc123: I've been running the website for 2 years, it was a solaris bug database amongst a lot of other utils |
| 21:51.19 | wildcat | then I've been sued by Oracle :p |
| 21:51.21 | tvc123 | nice! that would have been handy to have |
| 21:51.44 | tvc123 | although I was doing government work so they just forked over the $$ for support |
| 21:52.07 | tvc123 | wildcat: Oracle is a pain to deal with |
| 21:52.43 | tvc123 | even when you are paying them |
| 21:53.06 | bregalad | joshh: we've got about 30 people now, but we're acquiring new people by the day |
| 21:53.30 | bregalad | should be clocking in at about 80 by the middle/end of next year I'm guessing |
| 21:53.35 | joshh | nice |
| 21:53.53 | joshh | what big places are using it now? |
| 21:53.58 | wildcat | bregalad: what kind of profiles are you looking for? |
| 21:54.00 | bregalad | yeah, it's a fun place to work everybody's not a jerk and is smart |
| 21:54.59 | bregalad | wildcat: we're adding lots of customer-related positions like professional services and sales engineers and instructors |
| 21:55.20 | bregalad | a few more qa engineers and web developers |
| 21:56.57 | wildcat | solaris anywhere? :] |
| 21:57.31 | bregalad | we definitely need more people with solid unix experience |
| 21:57.34 | tvc123 | thinks Oracle will kill Solaris |
| 21:57.44 | bregalad | openindiana ftw |
| 21:57.50 | youtah | My brother in law works at pluralsight |
| 21:57.58 | youtah | They offer Unlimited PTO |
| 21:58.04 | bregalad | I think it's funny that stuff forks almost the instant oracle acquires it |
| 21:58.09 | youtah | Yes. *unlimited* Time off |
| 21:58.31 | tvc123 | I don't think anyone really would want to work for them |
| 21:58.32 | joshh | why do people use solaris or derivatives for zfs instead of freebsd or linux (which i hear is solid for it now)? |
| 21:58.32 | youtah | and they cover 100% of their employees insurance |
| 21:58.43 | joshh | any advantages? |
| 21:58.50 | youtah | and they only offer the highest of the insurance packages |
| 21:58.54 | tvc123 | joshh: zfs zones dtrace |
| 21:58.55 | youtah | and they have onsite food |
| 21:59.03 | bregalad | joshh: well there's linkedin and hulu and whatever, mostly it's the thousands of non name brand companies using it that impress me |
| 21:59.21 | youtah | and they require people to take "creative breaks" where they go take a couple of days or weeks off to go and visit museums in Europe and stuff |
| 21:59.28 | tvc123 | joshh: although with docker and zfs running on linux those advantages are leaving |
| 21:59.45 | joshh | youtah: unlimited pto is a nice way to not have to pay anyone out for stockpiled vacation time when they leave, very common these days |
| 21:59.53 | joshh | that said, its nice if you do travel often |
| 22:00.11 | youtah | The only reason I don't travel (hardly at all) is PTO |
| 22:00.24 | joshh | nobody uses docker in production though, that i know |
| 22:00.43 | tvc123 | joshh: I think docker and zfs on linux will be here soon |
| 22:01.14 | tvc123 | joshh: so for the near term there are some advantages ... but I don't think Solaris is being activly developed now that it is in Oracles hands |
| 22:01.27 | joshh | i see, thanks |
| 22:01.40 | tvc123 | Oracle was ahead of the game in some areas IMHO but they are loosing their advantage |
| 22:01.42 | joshh | so if ALL you care about is zfs itself, no reason for solaris |
| 22:01.59 | tvc123 | not any more ... zfs is being used in production |
| 22:02.07 | tvc123 | on linux and runs great on bsd |
| 22:02.54 | tvc123 | dtrace is hard to beat if you can find someone that can actually use it |
| 22:03.00 | wildcat | hah |
| 22:03.19 | wildcat | so, openindiana... well |
| 22:03.30 | wildcat | if you don't need something maintained, supported or anything |
| 22:03.31 | wildcat | maybe |
| 22:03.45 | bregalad | openillinois |
| 22:03.48 | wildcat | zfs/linux is a joke, i mean, nobody should use that for real production use :p |
| 22:04.08 | joshh | that's what i used to think, but everyone says it's great on linux now |
| 22:04.09 | wildcat | solaris11/zfs is just the only ZFS thing that can run stable and good :) |
| 22:04.29 | wildcat | joshh: yeah, up to the point you'll have an issue and need to get your data recovered :) |
| 22:04.38 | joshh | backups |
| 22:04.40 | tvc123 | wildcat: I keep hearing more and more prod stories of ZFS on linux ... not that I would run it yet but I think it is close |
| 22:05.04 | wildcat | joshh: when you have >10PB of storage |
| 22:05.08 | wildcat | backup is not an easy thing |
| 22:05.09 | wildcat | :) |
| 22:05.42 | tvc123 | When you are dealing with that much data nothing is easy ;) |
| 22:06.14 | joshh | that would be problems beyond the filesystem levle |
| 22:07.25 | wildcat | no I mean |
| 22:07.31 | wildcat | when you are a backup company |
| 22:07.34 | wildcat | you don't run backups |
| 22:07.40 | wildcat | you *are* the backup :) |
| 22:08.17 | asoc | That is a scary thought..... My backup company lost my backups because they didn't have any... |
| 22:08.30 | joshh | heh |
| 22:08.50 | programmerq | wildcat: in addition to SLC, there is the provo metropolitan area about a 45 minute drive to the south. both SLC and that area have grown to the point, where it's a fairly continuous amount of "city", but SLC is definitely more big city than city, if that makes sense. |
| 22:09.01 | programmerq | I actually visited Belgium this summer. |
| 22:09.39 | joshh | provo doesn't count |
| 22:09.51 | joshh | nobody from slc goes there by choice |
| 22:10.13 | RyanE | heh |
| 22:10.23 | RyanE | Provo gets a +1 because of Google Fiber. |
| 22:11.03 | tvc123 | doesn't think he would survive in Provo |
| 22:11.13 | jsmith | RyanE: And a -1 for lack of decent university football programs... |
| 22:11.16 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 22:11.24 | joshh | heh |
| 22:11.29 | jsmith | I'm obviously biased, though :-) |
| 22:11.47 | wildcat | programmerq: heeey, where were you? |
| 22:12.03 | RyanE | jsmith: no argument there. |
| 22:13.48 | joshh | to be fair utah in general isn't a great sports town, especially now that the jazz are awful |
| 22:14.08 | bregalad | sports are irrelevant |
| 22:14.33 | wildcat | asoc: the backup company I work for never lost a single byte for its 12 years of operations ;-) so I guess we're pretty confident ;) |
| 22:14.46 | RyanE | joshh: The Jazz have always been awful. |
| 22:14.59 | joshh | they used to be almost as good as the bulls :) |
| 22:15.00 | asoc | wildcat: That is a pretty good record! :) |
| 22:15.04 | RyanE | *almost* |
| 22:15.25 | RyanE | They probably were as good as the Bulls if Jordan had lost both legs below the knees. |
| 22:15.29 | joshh | oddly enough, the gs warriors are dominating this year |
| 22:15.40 | joshh | with steve kerr as coach |
| 22:30.28 | jlp_znc | joshh: I think the bulls just had better refs than the jazz |
| 22:32.45 | programmerq | wildcat: Mostly just brussels. We flew in there. My brother-in-law got married over in Maastricht, so that's where we were most of the time. we definitely got a good solid day or so in brussels. it was pretty awesome. |
| 22:32.58 | programmerq | I had good food, bought like 1.5 kg of chocolate |
| 22:33.18 | programmerq | belgium and the netherlands both were really pretty. |
| 22:33.41 | jsmith | My wife is now hooked on Belgian chocolates, so I have to fly over there every year or two to stock up on the good stuff :-/ |
| 22:34.03 | programmerq | oh yeah, I got some really good, overpriced waffles. |
| 22:37.29 | joshh | jlp_znc: in that fateful final game they definitely did make a huge difference |
| 22:37.38 | joshh | several bad calls and non-calls |
| 22:38.55 | RyanE | I think the refs were just happy to sit there and watch Michael Jordan play. |
| 22:39.48 | jlp_znc | well, it was his last game ever (or so he told people) |
| 22:42.04 | wildcat | hah |
| 22:42.12 | wildcat | when I have the annual meeting of the company |
| 22:42.19 | wildcat | I always bring beers and chocolates ;-) |
| 22:42.36 | wildcat | the only issue is that the company size is roughly doubling each year |
| 22:42.45 | wildcat | last year I had 4Kg of toffies |
| 22:43.04 | wildcat | this year I want the same propoertion I'd probably need to check a second luggage :] |
| 22:46.02 | RyanE | wildcat: just out of curiosity, why are you relocating, if you are already working from home for a US company? |
| 22:48.59 | wildcat | well, I got multiple reasons |
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| 22:49.13 | wildcat | I'd say first one is that I always kind of thought about moving in the USA |
| 22:49.44 | wildcat | secondly, I don't want to sound to capitalist or anything, but the socialism here is getting me crazy |
| 22:50.02 | wildcat | (I mean, that's a Belgium issue, not judging anything else) |
| 22:50.26 | wildcat | the politics in belgium are just crazy |
| 22:50.32 | wildcat | and it gets worst each year |
| 22:50.59 | wildcat | I have hard time to cope with people here and don't really find a bright future for my childrens |
| 22:51.30 | wildcat | I don't know if without more background you can't get my point there |
| 22:51.38 | RyanE | makes sense. |
| 22:51.38 | wildcat | or if I'm being clear at all :] |
| 22:51.45 | RyanE | yeah, you're being clear. |
| 22:51.49 | wildcat | I've been in the US 3 times |
| 22:52.00 | wildcat | and always kind of found people to be really awesome with each other |
| 22:52.10 | wildcat | they take care of their relatives |
| 22:52.20 | wildcat | of the people next to them generally |
| 22:52.38 | wildcat | and I'd say this is mostly due to the political system in the US being "not social" |
| 22:52.53 | wildcat | so people are kind of both "forced" to be social between each others |
| 22:53.25 | wildcat | and also they have the choice to help people they either want or the people they think need most help |
| 22:53.33 | wildcat | here. the system is just social |
| 22:53.36 | wildcat | I mean |
| 22:53.46 | wildcat | if you don't work, you get paid as much as if you were |
| 22:53.58 | wildcat | and if you try to work more to earn more, you end up paying more tax |
| 22:54.21 | wildcat | socialism is not bad in all areas, and I'd not say anti-social as well |
| 22:54.30 | wildcat | but it gets people to not think about their neighbors and stuff |
| 22:54.53 | wildcat | you know... "the state is already taking care of them using all that money I gave them, so why should I bother?" |
| 22:55.02 | jlp_znc | one thing you will dislike about the US is health care |
| 22:55.09 | wildcat | I know |
| 22:55.26 | wildcat | but on another side, my company is paying full insurance for employee and their family |
| 22:55.27 | RyanE | hopefully your US company will provide a decent healthcare package. |
| 22:55.32 | wildcat | with dental and stuff included |
| 22:55.32 | RyanE | too slow... :) |
| 22:55.41 | RyanE | then you'll dislike it a bit less. |
| 22:55.43 | wildcat | hehe :] |
| 22:55.48 | wildcat | hopefully, yeah! :p |
| 22:55.58 | RyanE | well, I must say you'll like Utah over California if that's your reason. :) |
| 22:56.05 | wildcat | tax pressure in belgium is around 56% |
| 22:56.11 | RyanE | wow |
| 22:56.24 | wildcat | I think it's the 2nd most taxed country of the world |
| 22:56.28 | wildcat | in terms of work-tax |
| 22:56.55 | wildcat | I think the tax freedom day is around august |
| 22:57.30 | wildcat | yea, august 6th |
| 22:57.41 | wildcat | so starting august 6th, I'm working for my money |
| 22:57.49 | wildcat | everyday before that, it's for the taxes :] |
| 22:57.52 | manithree | wildcat: the US will likely be pretty close to that soon |
| 22:57.57 | wildcat | haha |
| 22:58.11 | wildcat | manithree: you have no idea, you really have a lot of way to get to that point ;-) |
| 22:58.15 | RyanE | April 21st this year here. |
| 22:58.35 | wildcat | not bad :> |
| 22:58.41 | manithree | we have trillions and trillions of $ worth of un-funded obligations, tho |
| 22:58.45 | RyanE | true |
| 22:58.50 | RyanE | and fewer workers in the future. |
| 22:58.57 | wildcat | yeah, so that's why |
| 22:59.00 | wildcat | I'm going to move |
| 22:59.04 | wildcat | and so, keep some $ in the US |
| 22:59.09 | wildcat | when they would have left to europe :p |
| 23:03.54 | RyanE | well, good luck with it. You're welcome in here anytime to ask additional questions. |
| 23:04.13 | wildcat | :) thanks |
| 23:06.30 | wildcat | I guess I'll stick in here anyway, I got a screen/irssi running 24/7 so.. :) |
| 23:08.17 | wildcat | are the prople here mainly working in IT? |
| 23:08.28 | RyanE | many are CS/IT |
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| 23:09.28 | wildcat | hmm, not familiar with acronyms, what's CS? |
| 23:09.35 | RyanE | Computer Science |
| 23:09.38 | wildcat | ah right |
| 23:09.39 | wildcat | :) |
| 23:09.49 | RyanE | i.e. I'm a programmer, not in IT |
| 23:10.04 | wildcat | what are you working on? |
| 23:10.31 | RyanE | I work for Control4. We make Home Automation systems and devices. I write 3rd-party device drivers. |
| 23:10.36 | RyanE | In Lua. |
| 23:11.40 | wildcat | nice |
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| 23:14.21 | RyanE | We're in Draper, which is down towards the south end of Salt Lake Valley. |
| 23:14.39 | RyanE | and I live in Highland, which is further south, in Utah County. |
| 23:16.40 | manithree | RyanE: Does control4 have their own proprietary wireless, or do you use something standard? |
| 23:17.15 | RyanE | We use ZigBee for device communications (i.e. to things like dimmers, switches, keypads, wireless sensors) |
| 23:17.30 | manithree | Ah, I went with z-wave. Is ZigBee better? |
| 23:17.30 | RyanE | We use Ethernet / Wifi for touchpanels / controllers / etc. |
| 23:17.40 | RyanE | different. |
| 23:18.02 | RyanE | I think ZigBee is better in some ways, Z-wave in others. If you're doing DIY, Z-Wave is really where it's at. |
| 23:18.57 | manithree | I'm going DIY, and just couldn't find much ZigBee support for what I wanted to do. |
| 23:19.14 | RyanE | yep |
| 23:19.38 | RyanE | Control4 can control Z-wave devices, like any other 3rd-party gear, but through a 3rd-party gateway, like the Mi Casa Verde device. |
| 23:19.48 | manithree | z-wave stuff seems expensive, though |
| 23:19.50 | RyanE | i.e. Control4 doesn't have Z-Wave radios built-in |
| 23:19.59 | RyanE | ZigBee stuff is going to be as much or more. |
| 23:20.18 | RyanE | Control4 is dealer-installed, not available to DIY, so that's even a bit more expensive. |
| 23:20.37 | manithree | Probably wouldn't do exactly what I want, either. |
| 23:20.58 | RyanE | depends on what you want, but it can do a *lot* of stuff well... :) |
| 23:21.14 | RyanE | but if you're wanting to futz with it yourself, the dealer model is likely not the way you want to go. |
| 23:30.39 | bregalad | wildcat: we just hired a guy at SaltStack that is from the Netherlands |
| 23:31.19 | wildcat | you mean he moved to SLC for that or he's working remotely? |
| 23:31.30 | bregalad | he actually lives in Florida now |
| 23:31.35 | wildcat | hah |
| 23:35.57 | programmerq | I was just thinking about saltstack, actually. |
| 23:36.31 | wildcat | so everybody's going to work there :p |
| 23:36.59 | tvc123 | keeps that in mind if SanDisk gets any more corperate |
| 23:37.04 | programmerq | I just started my new job about a month ago. not ready to switch just yet. :) |
| 23:37.27 | RyanE | also not planning on making any kind of switch. |
| 23:37.52 | bregalad | I installed a light switch on Saturday |
| 23:38.01 | RyanE | used to get the BlueHost trolling, then the Adobe. Now it's SaltStack all the time... :) |
| 23:38.13 | RyanE | bregalad: congrats |
| 23:38.36 | wildcat | bregalad: what's your role at saltstack? |
| 23:39.23 | bregalad | wildcat: my title is QA, but I've been doing lots of different infrastructure and automation work as well |
| 23:39.44 | bregalad | desires variety |
| 23:40.13 | programmerq | bregalad: how many employees does saltstack have now? |
| 23:40.37 | bregalad | about 30-40 |
| 23:40.48 | bregalad | it's hard to keep track because we keep hiring new people |
| 23:40.54 | programmerq | indeed |
| 23:41.03 | programmerq | I figured it would have been a bit bigger than that, but not by much. |
| 23:41.09 | programmerq | docker has about 75 |
| 23:41.19 | programmerq | I'm like #70, give or take. |
| 23:41.21 | bregalad | a year ago there were only 8 |
| 23:41.51 | programmerq | that's not very many, given how active the community has been. |
| 23:41.53 | programmerq | wow. |
| 23:42.52 | bregalad | yeah, Mike Place was telling me yesterday how exhausting SaltConf was last year with such a huge community and such a small team |
| 23:43.29 | programmerq | I know Sam-- he left HP and went to saltstack. I'm guessing he is probably still there. |
| 23:43.31 | joshh | oh cool, mike place is there now |
| 23:43.46 | bregalad | yes |
| 23:44.01 | programmerq | I don't remember who it was, but he gave a presentation at utosc on food back in like 2012. that is when I first heard of salt, I think. |
| 23:44.06 | joshh | used to work with him at xmission |
| 23:44.07 | programmerq | maybe it was 2013? |
| 23:44.23 | bregalad | programmerq: redbeard |
| 23:44.29 | bregalad | now techat |
| 23:44.31 | RyanE | joseph |
| 23:44.37 | RyanE | he rocks. |
| 23:44.38 | bregalad | so he could shave his beard :/ |
| 23:44.47 | RyanE | did he shave it? Tragedy! |
| 23:44.51 | bregalad | indeed |
| 23:44.54 | programmerq | #itproblems |
| 23:45.05 | bregalad | but he gave me some candied pumpkin |
| 23:45.05 | programmerq | "I want to shave my beard, but my handle references it" |
| 23:46.34 | RyanE | a slave to fashion. |
| 23:46.55 | RyanE | ah, but now he has to wear a hat everywhere he goes... :) |
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