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| 17:42.17 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=32293910&nid=151&title=obama-wants-more-regulation-of-internet-providers&s_cid=queue-4 |
| 17:50.34 | youtah | fozzmoo http://www.whitehouse.gov/net-neutrality |
| 18:02.32 | jalbretsen | I'm so confused as a Utahan. I support net neutrality, but I'm supposed to not support anything Obama supports. What to do, what to do..... |
| 18:04.40 | RyanE | I think you're only *required* to not support his *stupidity*. When he gets something right, it's OK to say it's right. |
| 18:05.11 | asoc | I agree. |
| 18:05.20 | asoc | This time he did get it very right. |
| 18:06.12 | RyanE | let's hope the appropriate authorities take his advice. |
| 18:08.38 | youtah | lol jalbretsen |
| 18:08.56 | magmu | Eh, his VP is deep in the pockets of the MPAA/RIAA etc so we can hope but theres so many people owned up on the hill lets be honest |
| 18:09.08 | magmu | Its just to save face :P |
| 18:09.17 | youtah | I am using pashdown's airport analogy with my co-workers |
| 18:11.00 | magmu | As Im actually reading this though..its directed at the FCC so something might happen. I'm more optimistic. |
| 18:11.01 | pashdown | unfortunately the president's statement on net neutrality has little to do with infrastructure, although title ii could affect that. it remains to be seen if the fcc would enforce peering, like comcast not peering with xmission. |
| 18:11.01 | youtah | true |
| 18:11.02 | youtah | we're having the ISPs versus Infrastructure and the differences convo atm |
| 18:12.27 | pashdown | another thing i note is that transportation highways have been sinkholes for trillions of taxpayer dollars, but few doubt their economic benefit. |
| 18:14.50 | youtah | we're also bringing the wireless spectrums into the convo regarding the infrastructure |
| 18:15.11 | magmu | If only Utopia was thought of as an infrastructure.. perhaps people wouldnt have been so uninformed on its benefits here in murray.. |
| 18:15.11 | magmu | sighs |
| 18:15.12 | youtah | sigh |
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| 18:20.12 | youtah | stirs the pot some more |
| 18:29.40 | jxqz | ~rot1234567890 sigh |
| 18:29.40 | infobot | csqr |
| 18:29.52 | youtah | ~rot13 sigh |
| 18:29.52 | infobot | fvtu |
| 18:34.59 | jalbretsen | pashdown: What is the latest on the Macquarie deal? I texted one of the Layton Council members this weekend and he says it feels like Macquarie has backed off since half the cities said no. Any insider info you can share? I thought Milestone 2 was supposed to hit around Sept / Oct. |
| 18:35.29 | pashdown | they have fell off the radar. i haven't heard anything from them since august. |
| 18:35.49 | pashdown | *fallen |
| 18:38.05 | jalbretsen | That's a shame. I was really hoping this would work for Layton. |
| 18:41.08 | jalbretsen | Are they not obligated to come back with Milestone 2? |
| 18:41.33 | pashdown | yeah, i'd think so. or i guess if they don't they don't charge the cities. |
| 18:43.16 | youtah | is still patiently waiting for pashdown to take over Veracity ;) |
| 18:43.17 | pashdown | :) |
| 18:43.17 | youtah | starts to cry, knowing it may never happen |
| 18:48.27 | jxqz | verswindlecity |
| 19:27.21 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 19:27.21 | infobot | Wait, I forgot the crystals. |
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| 20:23.01 | jima | i'm kind of at a loss as to what happened to utopia in murray. :-\ |
| 20:25.39 | magmu | jima: basically nothing at this point they refused that deal and are "looking for alternatives" |
| 20:25.40 | magmu | In an interview one of the city council guys said going dark was "on the table" |
| 20:25.43 | magmu | But if they do that they sure as hell better give me an alternative >.> |
| 20:25.46 | jima | magmu: yeah, i get that, but it leaves the existing customers in a weird place |
| 20:26.34 | jima | http://www.utopianet.org/locations/ has a murray-shaped hole between midvale and wvc :-\ |
| 20:26.43 | jima | and yet, i still have bits pouring in (thank goodness) |
| 20:27.24 | magmu | Its not on their list anymore in words either |
| 20:27.24 | magmu | Yeah mines still going strong as well |
| 20:27.25 | jima | yeah, i know :-( |
| 20:27.44 | jima | yay packet loss \o/ |
| 20:27.45 | magmu | But going dark also includes all the our schools..city hall...the hospital as well im pretty positive |
| 20:28.06 | magmu | and I know many small buisnesses use it.. |
| 20:28.08 | magmu | we will see I suppose |
| 20:28.12 | jima | err, hospital? |
| 20:28.15 | magmu | IMC |
| 20:29.03 | youtah | http://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2014/05/19/why-net-neutrality-is-a-dumb-idea/ ........ go! |
| 20:29.07 | magmu | Dont they use Utopia or are they paying for comcrap? |
| 20:29.08 | jima | last i logged into the wifi there (which was at the town hall meeting, i think), the captive portal was very much centurylink branded |
| 20:29.08 | magmu | cries |
| 20:29.11 | youtah | lol |
| 20:30.05 | youtah | I can't complain too much about Veraciy |
| 20:30.05 | youtah | Veracity |
| 20:30.05 | jima | technically my phone tries logging in every time i go to costco, but i'm not exactly looking at the captive portal page |
| 20:30.06 | youtah | they've been ROCK SOLID without a single down time since I've had them in the last 14 months |
| 20:31.01 | jima | my biggest complaint about xmission is that they don't have native ipv6 yet (nag, nag, nag) |
| 20:31.02 | jima | my biggest complaint about utopia itself is WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING |
| 20:31.03 | magmu | I have Veracity as well, only issue ive had is my gateway died and it took utopia 5 days to come replace it |
| 20:31.11 | magmu | But yeah...I dont get why they are failing so hard. |
| 20:31.31 | jima | magmu: how long have you been here? |
| 20:31.34 | youtah | I dont have Utopia |
| 20:31.44 | youtah | I have Veracity for Infrastructure and ISP |
| 20:31.45 | magmu | Here as in Murray or as in this channel :P |
| 20:32.05 | jima | magmu: close enough to the slc metro to be familiar with the goings-on of utopia :-) |
| 20:32.23 | magmu | Born and raised here, family friends with the old Mayor Snarr |
| 20:32.27 | jima | ok |
| 20:32.48 | magmu | Im actually going to pick his brain when I see him tonight about his feelings on utopia now |
| 20:32.52 | jima | from what i understand (but this is before my time here), there's a long history of mismanagement of utopia |
| 20:33.06 | magmu | Yeah thats true |
| 20:33.16 | magmu | I just dont get how you can fail that hard |
| 20:33.24 | magmu | and people not notice until its at this point |
| 20:33.45 | jima | and, afaict, there's a lot of public distrust of utopia now, and even if they did everything perfectly at this juncture, there are a lot of people who won't give them a chance. |
| 20:35.32 | magmu | This is true, but theres no other alternative besides google fiber taking over...and "tinfoil hat" I dont trust that |
| 20:35.33 | jima | i don't trust google to do the right thing, tinfoil hat or no. |
| 20:35.33 | magmu | Also glancing at the map...most of murray is still green. |
| 20:35.35 | magmu | it stops at the river/tville line pretty much all across the way |
| 20:35.35 | jima | oops, they did fix it |
| 20:35.45 | jima | derp |
| 20:35.46 | magmu | :D lol |
| 20:36.03 | youtah | but magmu do you have the mustache too? |
| 20:36.10 | SunSparc | Do you know of any DNS systems that allow multiple IP addresses per A record, but will also do health checks on each of those IP addresses and only send traffic to healthy hosts? (fungus?) |
| 20:36.19 | jima | my internet is worthless right now, i can barely load anything, and there's a lot of lag typing (to this remote irc session) |
| 20:36.42 | jima | SunSparc: generally, you need a load-balancer for that sort of thing |
| 20:36.45 | SunSparc | ~give jima some better Internetz |
| 20:36.45 | infobot | ACTION gives some better Internetz to jima |
| 20:36.58 | jima | SunSparc: no, it's just the office connectivity |
| 20:37.41 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:37.53 | jima | i have gigabit utopia at home |
| 20:37.54 | magmu | youtah: I wish....I cant grow the mustache I can grow an awesome neck beard though :P full brigham young style |
| 20:37.54 | SunSparc | Yeah, I was hoping there was a DNS only solution. |
| 20:37.54 | jima | which, despite the lobbyists' best efforts, is working great |
| 20:37.54 | youtah | Shut yo mouff jima! |
| 20:37.54 | fungus | SunSparc, generally that's handled by a load balancer. Your load balancer could change the DNS records for you. |
| 20:37.54 | youtah | runs away crying |
| 20:37.54 | jima | youtah: GIGABIT...BIDIRECTIONAL |
| 20:38.13 | magmu | I only has 100/100 |
| 20:38.13 | jima | magmu: GIGABIT...BIDIRECTIONAL |
| 20:38.13 | jima | :-) |
| 20:38.13 | jima | pashdown: <3 |
| 20:38.15 | magmu | frowns |
| 20:38.32 | magmu | I could pay for it... |
| 20:39.06 | jima | my wife decreed that we were bumping from 100/100 to 1000/1000 pretty much as soon as it was available |
| 20:39.30 | magmu | You have an awesome wife then |
| 20:39.31 | joshh | you should keep her |
| 20:39.36 | jima | i do have an awesome wife. |
| 20:39.50 | jima | joshh: that's the plan. |
| 20:39.53 | magmu | I dont have a wife yet, I just dont want to upgrade my switch :P |
| 20:39.57 | joshh | SunSparc: normally you don't actually change dns, just have the load balancer keep track of what backends are healthy |
| 20:40.01 | magmu | Even though I really really should |
| 20:40.31 | jima | also i dropped about $500 on a new firewall/managed switches |
| 20:40.34 | joshh | get all of your tech toys before finding a wife, if you can |
| 20:40.52 | jima | joshh: my wife was ok with those purchases. :-P |
| 20:40.56 | fungus | joshh, agreed. unless you are balancing across data centers (that don't share IP space) |
| 20:40.57 | magmu | Well shes getting me with a server 22U server rack already. |
| 20:41.20 | magmu | Soo you know thats not going anywhere |
| 20:41.21 | magmu | ever |
| 20:41.40 | joshh | why not 46? |
| 20:42.47 | magmu | Because I got this one for free? |
| 20:43.07 | joshh | also you need 2 racks for redundancy of course |
| 20:43.07 | joshh | don't let her think just one will suffice |
| 20:43.07 | magmu | This is true, id also need to upgrade my garage to fit that much more |
| 20:43.08 | magmu | or finally dig out my basement |
| 20:43.10 | joshh | jsut get rid of all her stuff to make room |
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| 20:44.24 | SunSparc | fungus, joshh: yeah, was just hoping for a dns based solution. |
| 20:44.45 | SunSparc | But DNS probably is not the appropriate place for that anyway. |
| 20:44.57 | jima | SunSparc: well, with monitoring, dynamic updates, and short TTLs...you COULD do it that way. |
| 20:45.32 | jima | i personally wouldn't recommend it, i don't think. |
| 20:46.47 | joshh | changing dns is bad |
| 20:46.48 | joshh | check out haproxy |
| 20:46.52 | jima | joshh: still requires some single point of failureness. |
| 20:47.43 | joshh | i don't know how complicated he wants to get |
| 20:48.55 | SunSparc | joshh: Yeah, we use haproxy, good stuff. We also use Route53, which allows multiple IP addresses per A record. We could just health check hosts and then update the A record every so often with healthy IP's. But that seems to be a bad idea the more I think of it. |
| 20:48.57 | RyanE | with DNS caching, I think you'd have a lot of clients still trying to hit the host that is down. |
| 20:49.53 | jima | RyanE: hence low ttl |
| 20:49.53 | joshh | have the load balancer/haproxy ips in route53, and not changing, fail those over normally |
| 20:49.53 | RyanE | *very* low... |
| 20:50.06 | jima | when making world-breaking changes, my team tend to dial the ttl WAY down |
| 20:50.06 | RyanE | but you have to dial it down within the window of the ttl in 'normal use'. |
| 20:50.18 | SunSparc | Yeah, DNS tends to like to be set and forget. |
| 20:50.30 | RyanE | anyway, not really meant for that. Sure, if you're taking something out for an extended period, yeah, DNS. |
| 20:51.47 | SunSparc | Ok, this is all good feedback. Thanks guys. |
| 20:51.47 | programmerq | SunSparc: that is called a GSLB (the dns+health checks) |
| 20:52.05 | SunSparc | googles GSLB... |
| 20:52.16 | programmerq | (I've been scrolled up, so I may have missed the discussion in its entirety) |
| 20:52.26 | SunSparc | Ah, interesting |
| 20:52.32 | programmerq | we had them at HP |
| 20:53.21 | programmerq | I wasn't the biggest fan, but it is honestly a decent option when you want to introduce geographic redundancy for your appservers. |
| 20:53.24 | SunSparc | Haha, this link is on the first page: http://www.tenereillo.com/GSLBPageOfShame.htm |
| 20:57.11 | programmerq | we had more issues using gslbs than we had instances of a whole datacenter going dark. |
| 20:58.06 | SunSparc | Nice. We it is an interesting idea at least. |
| 20:59.04 | joshh | for DNS stuff though, if you have public IPs, you could use something like Dyn's traffic manager service, which has a pool with low ttl and looks for a 200 from your health check url |
| 20:59.50 | joshh | a lot of places use that to balance/remove load balancers/proxies |
| 21:12.24 | SunSparc | rummages around the Dyn website... |
| 21:29.16 | SunSparc | Any other Linode and iPhone users having trouble producing accurate MFA codes to login to the Manager? |
| 21:36.44 | youtah | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=32299594&nid=148&title=police-man-threatens-teen-over-game-of-battleship&s_cid=queue-3 |
| 21:44.54 | RyanE | You sank my battleship! |
| 22:02.51 | magmu | Man..looking at that made me see that USPS employee records got breached...and I totally used to work there |
| 22:02.57 | magmu | sighs |
| 22:30.44 | Jayce | http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/pepsi-is-testing-doritos-flavored-mountain-dew/ar-AA7k2Zj |
| 22:32.06 | RyanE | Some things are wrong, some things are sick. That is just Sick *and* Wrong. |
| 22:33.13 | Jayce | although the listed mango habanero one sounds appealing |
| 22:33.46 | RyanE | "3 people were injured in the 'Flavor Explosion'" |
| 22:37.18 | SunSparc | What?! Mango habanero Mt Dew?! I might try that. |
| 22:38.02 | SunSparc | But nacho flavored soda? |
| 22:38.08 | SunSparc | shivers |
| 22:40.31 | Jayce | and youtah is drooling at it |
| 22:40.40 | youtah | Nope |
| 22:40.47 | youtah | I haven't had Mountain Dew in over a year |
| 22:41.00 | youtah | I haven't had SODA in over a year |
| 22:41.09 | SunSparc | ~Dew youtah |
| 22:41.09 | infobot | ACTION hands youtah a 24 pack of mountain dew then leaves the room and locks the door |
| 22:41.10 | Jayce | yet... NACHOS |
| 22:41.30 | youtah | Doctor said those are mandatory to good health |
| 22:41.44 | youtah | like exercise |
| 22:41.45 | Jayce | drinkable nacho goodness... |
| 22:41.50 | Jayce | (trying to say that without gagging) |
| 22:42.00 | youtah | 7-11 nachos |
| 22:42.05 | youtah | they're drinkable |
| 22:42.17 | jnbek | gag |
| 22:42.25 | Jayce | needs a new trashcan now.. |
| 22:42.45 | youtah | just use neybar_work's office |
| 22:42.53 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:42.57 | jnbek | looks like it's too late, youtah |
| 22:43.15 | youtah | Squigee |
| 22:43.23 | youtah | (however it's spelled) |
| 22:43.45 | SunSparc | ~dict squeegee |
| 22:44.01 | youtah | Wet Vac |
| 22:44.05 | jnbek | quillagee?! |
| 22:44.11 | jnbek | ahem, |
| 22:44.49 | asoc | I have never seen a leather squeegee |
| 22:45.14 | jnbek | neither have i |
| 22:46.07 | jnbek | lots of results for leather squeegee holsters on the goog |
| 22:46.09 | jnbek | lol |
| 22:46.13 | jnbek | but that's about it |
| 22:46.52 | SunSparc | ~trap |
| 22:46.52 | infobot | hmm... trap is 1. n. A program interrupt, usually an interrupt caused by some exceptional situation in the user program. In most cases, the OS performs some action, then returns control to the program. 2. vi. To cause a trap. "These instructions trap to the monitor." Also used transitively to indicate the cause of the trap. "The monitor traps all input/output instructions." This term is associated with assembler programming (`interrupt or `exception is ... |
| 22:46.56 | SunSparc | Anyone ever have logrotate forget to compress files that it is rotating? |
| 22:48.19 | SunSparc | I have a couple files that apparently were touched by logrotate enough to add extensions but it then forgot to compress them. But it continued working just fine on other files. |
| 22:48.37 | jnbek | SunSparc: I see it every so often where a *.log.1 or something didn't get the gzipping, but I've never looked into why, and it doesn't seem consistent |
| 22:48.39 | SunSparc | Smells faintly of a race condition. |
| 22:48.45 | jnbek | I've honestly never cared enough to dig into why |
| 22:49.30 | SunSparc | jnbek: Well, that is good to know that you have seen it also. Perhaps it is a logrotate bug. |
| 22:49.38 | jnbek | probably |
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| 23:52.13 | youtah | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/61443_10152317825880058_1719896206_n.jpg?oh=530a925b9f34689507753915f2cd0ece&oe=54D2B2D1 |
| 23:54.52 | jxqz | that's a lot of numbers |
