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| 14:58.08 | spangborn | Working from home ftw. |
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| 15:44.43 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference sometime 2014! openwest.org | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
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| 16:25.43 | programmerq | hey, super random question. anybody ever have a regence blueshield health insurance plan here in utah? |
| 16:26.17 | programmerq | I am switching jobs, and it sounds like I might end up with that. I did a search for my zip code for providers, and it had a list of 12 providers in like a 20 mile radius. !! |
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| 16:29.02 | jima | regence? yeah, i have them. |
| 16:29.23 | jima | i know crap about it since i never use it, but my wife is a pretty heavy user. |
| 16:29.32 | jima | (wait. that sounds bad.) |
| 16:29.38 | spangborn | Hahaha. |
| 16:29.51 | spangborn | That sounds fun, actually. |
| 16:31.00 | jima | whoops, maybe i shouldn't have shut down this dns server while updating this other server |
| 16:31.20 | jima | AIEE I CAN'T DOWNLOAD ANYTHING |
| 16:31.58 | jima | whoops, oom? on my web server? |
| 16:32.10 | jima | more likely than i thought. |
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| 16:44.00 | jxqz | ~napoleon jima |
| 16:44.00 | infobot | ACTION makes jima feed Tina |
| 17:04.33 | programmerq | hmmm, I may not end up with regence after all. should be fine. :) |
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| 17:18.26 | jxqz | they were one of the customers of a customer at my last job |
| 17:19.08 | jxqz | that alone informs me to advise you to try someone else, but you know selecthealth might be just as technically obtuse |
| 17:19.39 | spangborn | At least selecthealth has decent hospitals |
| 17:19.41 | jxqz | I don't think there is a single company out there that is run well enough that I'd trust their infrastructure |
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| 17:43.57 | jalbretsen | programmerq: The whole health network thing is a joke. I recently had a job offer where it came down to that, and I was not willing to give up my doctors that I've worked with for years and trust to switch to a network that didn't cover them. |
| 17:50.48 | jalbretsen | That last person that reached out to me that I was interested in, I just cut to the insurance question first thing so I would not spend my or their time more than needed. |
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| 19:11.01 | youtah | I really need to watch Full Metal Jacket again. |
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| 19:51.41 | eightyeight | http://aarontoponce.org/honeycomb.html |
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| 20:04.01 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/UOfPlhb.gif |
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| 20:48.42 | youtah | Hey jnbek you know I have a slide ruler at my desk? |
| 20:48.57 | jnbek | I do now(); :D |
| 20:49.03 | youtah | LOL |
| 20:49.37 | jnbek | slide rulers are the bomb |
| 20:49.37 | jxqz | you have a sliding ruler? |
| 20:49.47 | jxqz | it bombs? |
| 20:49.53 | jnbek | even if i never really learned how to use it, it was facinating |
| 20:49.57 | jxqz | how did you get it to slide |
| 20:49.58 | youtah | It's the slide ruler that my grand father in law used when he was starting the business loans division at Zion's bank |
| 20:50.08 | youtah | jxqz, gravity |
| 20:50.13 | jnbek | jxqz: sure.... you have any idea how many ThermoNuclear Devices were designed with one? |
| 20:50.15 | jnbek | :) |
| 20:50.26 | jxqz | globalthermonuclear? |
| 20:50.33 | youtah | and a lack of friction typically increases ability to slide |
| 20:50.37 | jnbek | as well as probably a plethora of conventional weapons too |
| 20:50.45 | jsmith | And kids these days can't even grok logarithmic scales... |
| 20:50.51 | jsmith | *le sigh* |
| 20:50.56 | jnbek | jsmith: amen |
| 20:51.45 | Oberon4278 | I want a slide rule, and I want to learn how to use it. |
| 20:51.51 | jsmith | youtah: If I were a betting man, I'd bet dollars to donuts that you don't know how to use the slide rule to do actual calculations.... |
| 20:51.53 | Oberon4278 | Can you do algebra on one? |
| 20:52.20 | Oberon4278 | Or is it mostly for calculus? |
| 20:52.59 | jnbek | jsmith: I'd lose that bet :) |
| 20:53.03 | jnbek | I don't know how either |
| 20:53.08 | youtah | jsmith, I can do *some* calculations |
| 20:53.09 | jsmith | Oberon4278: http://www.math.utah.edu/~pa/sliderules/ |
| 20:53.15 | jnbek | but still, they're pretty freakin' awesome :D |
| 20:53.44 | youtah | jsmith, and jnbek I just tagged you in a photo I just posted to the Book of Faces |
| 20:53.56 | jnbek | ya, i know... |
| 20:54.03 | youtah | https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10686987_10205318651070003_536766894446062757_n.jpg?oh=6221c2691ac6a14e7342f66b4504e5f8&oe=54B0FFBB&__gda__=1420717547_67c3af08cc4a2e8de2a607758f5ff3e8 |
| 20:54.03 | jnbek | just got the pop on teh phonez |
| 20:54.07 | jsmith | youtah: The Great Book of Faces is blocked in this university... |
| 20:54.09 | spangborn | youtah is a spammer ;p |
| 20:54.35 | youtah | for those that are unable to log in and access the iamge |
| 20:54.37 | youtah | image |
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| 20:56.27 | youtah | is fascinated by slide rules |
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| 20:57.02 | tvc123 | youtah: http://sliderulemuseum.com/ |
| 20:57.28 | tvc123 | may be better than disney land ... your kids will love it :) |
| 20:59.20 | youtah | This is an ACU-MATH No. 400 |
| 20:59.29 | youtah | Perhaps not as old as I was lead on to believe |
| 21:03.27 | Oberon4278 | jsmith: Okay, that's pretty cool, but I don't understand a lot of what was said there. |
| 21:25.35 | jima | jalbretsen: there are seriously health care networks that dumb? |
| 21:25.59 | jima | i guess i've had decent enough coverage (including regence, afaik) that it hasn't been a factor. |
| 21:26.03 | RyanE | The answer to "Are there seriously any X that dumb?" is invariably yes. |
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| 21:32.13 | jalbretsen | jima / RyanE: Of course, if I am was willing to pay 40% for an out-of-network doctor instead of the current $20 co-pay I have now, then I might have gone for it. But I wasn't. Things are good now, but have got to completely different overnight before. |
| 21:34.06 | jima | RyanE: sigh. good point. |
| 21:34.21 | jima | i guess i've never had an insurance [rpvider that had that restrictive of a network. |
| 21:34.25 | jima | provider* |
| 21:35.01 | RyanE | We switched providers almost once a year with one company (was fastest growing company in Utah at that point in time, so they had to keep switching for better rates with more people). |
| 21:35.20 | RyanE | We drove from Lehi to *Payson* to deliver our first child, that was the 'covered' hospital. |
| 21:35.39 | joshh | payson has a hospital? |
| 21:35.49 | RyanE | Has had for years. I was born there. :) |
| 21:35.52 | joshh | thought it was just a few fields |
| 21:36.07 | jima | ^ technically that's all the hospital is. |
| 21:36.17 | jima | RyanE's mom was *cold*. :-( |
| 21:36.18 | spangborn | They have a dirt pile and a feeding trough |
| 21:36.23 | RyanE | It's been redone since 1967. Not that bad now. |
| 21:36.31 | joshh | were there newborn calves in the icu? |
| 21:36.36 | RyanE | heh. |
| 21:36.45 | spangborn | Rumor has it Baby Jesus was born there. |
| 21:37.02 | jima | joshh: no, the cows insist on better medical care and go up to provo. |
| 21:37.35 | jima | (i'm joking; i've never even seen payson's hospital.) |
| 21:37.43 | jalbretsen | At the job I turned down, it was "We cover everything but IHC" |
| 21:38.09 | jima | that's...amazing. |
| 21:38.23 | jalbretsen | every other job I've had, even as insurance has changed around yearly, has had IHC coverage |
| 21:38.36 | joshh | my brother in law is in some IT group at IHC |
| 21:38.56 | joshh | his whole job is jsut watching some monitoring app for some windows and storage stuff |
| 21:39.10 | joshh | and then telling someone when something is red |
| 21:39.14 | joshh | and he makes quite good money |
| 21:39.31 | jima | my wife's gone to UofU, IHC, granger on regence...no problems. |
| 21:39.34 | jima | programmerq: ^ |
| 21:39.56 | joshh | at least that's how he explains it to the in-laws |
| 21:40.37 | joshh | i had one kid at IMC and one at UofU, both seemed pretty good but the U had brand new super nice rooms at the time |
| 21:40.51 | joshh | with comfy parent beds |
| 21:41.14 | spangborn | Riverton is the nicest right now, I guess. |
| 21:41.41 | jima | i haven't had any new kids since moving to utah, so i don't have any frame of reference. |
| 21:42.08 | joshh | utah has pretty good healthcare for a relatively backwoods state |
| 21:42.10 | RyanE | AF had just upgraded the maternity suites last child we had there. |
| 21:42.18 | jalbretsen | it kinda sucked turning the job down because I really liked the place |
| 21:42.24 | jima | joshh: enh...the metro area isn't that backwoods |
| 21:42.37 | jima | outstate...i won't argue. |
| 21:42.46 | jima | minnesota was the same way |
| 21:43.49 | joshh | well, it has more level 1 trauma centers than many bigger metros, a highly regarded cancer center, etc |
| 21:44.04 | jalbretsen | This place had Regence as the health care, but it part of a larger company that was run out of state, so the only two network options were not part of the typical utah regence networks accepted by IHC |
| 21:44.11 | joshh | even though it's on the small side and not exactly a cultural mecca |
| 21:47.06 | jalbretsen | My current company uses AvenueH, and honestly I think it's great. I had like 47 options for coverage instead of the typical 2 - 3 that most companies offer. It's great that *I* get to decide instead of whatever the whims of HR / Management is once a year. |
| 21:49.06 | jima | joshh: ...3 level 1 trauma centers? and even that feels like cheating since UofU and primary children's are right next to each other. |
| 21:49.19 | joshh | ya, sorta |
| 21:49.24 | joshh | many places only have 1 though |
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| 21:50.43 | jima | msp has 5, 8 if you split out pediatric like FACS apparently does |
| 21:51.04 | jima | oops, hold the mayo, 4/6 |
| 21:54.00 | joshh | that seems like a lot |
| 21:55.12 | jima | https://www.facs.org/search/trauma-centers?state=MN&distance=500 |
| 21:55.43 | jima | distance search is being a jerk...obviously some of those aren't level 1, and rochester is well outside the msp metro area. |
| 21:56.10 | Oberon4278 | Rochester is several hours away from MSP |
| 21:56.36 | jima | one member of my family or another has spent time in most of those hospitals, HCMC used to be my dad's home away from home. |
| 21:56.40 | Oberon4278 | Far enough to listen to an entire Chicago album several times. |
| 21:57.10 | jima | Oberon4278: err, rochester is 90 minutes away, tops. |
| 21:57.22 | Oberon4278 | Seriously? |
| 21:57.28 | jima | i used to live between the twin cities and rochester |
| 21:57.29 | Oberon4278 | Maybe we took a detour. |
| 21:57.38 | Oberon4278 | I used to live in St. Paul. |
| 21:57.43 | jima | all told, i've spent about 30 years of my life in that state. |
| 21:57.47 | Oberon4278 | nice |
| 21:58.32 | jima | more like 75 minutes from st. paul (yay, highway 52) |
| 21:58.59 | joshh | SF has one level 1 in city limits |
| 21:59.00 | jima | you'd have to take i-35 to i-90 or something, for it to take that long |
| 21:59.18 | joshh | not sure offhand about the greater area but i can think of a couple likely ones |
| 21:59.28 | jima | joshh: enh...sfba is a cluster of reasonably major cities, though |
| 21:59.35 | joshh | but in slc there are 3 in a 10 minute radius |
| 21:59.50 | Oberon4278 | lives in Boston and therefore wins the health care coverage contest. |
| 22:00.20 | jima | Oberon4278: hah, i'm sure |
| 22:01.13 | jima | joshh: by that standard, you could say the same in msp |
| 22:01.29 | jima | possibly more than 3, i'd have to run the numbers though ;-) |
| 22:02.14 | joshh | you also win the guinness coverage contest |
| 22:02.30 | joshh | which is just as important |
| 22:03.26 | Oberon4278 | I don't like Guinness. |
| 22:03.33 | Oberon4278 | Or baseball. |
| 22:04.30 | joshh | well what do you like then |
| 22:06.29 | jima | ok, i got 5 level 1 trauma centers in a 10 minute radius, i couldn't quite get the 6th |
| 22:06.35 | harleypig | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdaOT72ieXs (language warning) |
| 22:06.46 | jima | it was 16 minutes out from the point i figured out |
| 22:07.00 | joshh | do people there just get critically injured all the time or something? |
| 22:07.06 | joshh | not being careful while ice fishing? |
| 22:07.40 | jima | if you're injured while ice fishing, you're probably going to that 6th hospital (since they have the biggest helicopter fleet in the region) |
| 22:08.01 | joshh | hockey pucks to faces very common? |
| 22:08.13 | harleypig | Getting drunk and chainsawing holes in the ice is not the best mix. |
| 22:08.17 | jima | i dunno, i guess i always thought that many hospitals was normal. |
| 22:08.37 | jima | 3/6 of those are children's hospitals, though |
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| 22:09.03 | harleypig | wait ... so hospitals in Minnesota are as ubiquitous as mormon chapels in the west? |
| 22:09.13 | jima | harleypig: ha, not quite that prevalent. |
| 22:09.25 | jima | ...barely. ;-) |
| 22:09.45 | jima | if we're not talking about level 1 trauma centers, yeah, there are quite a few though |
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| 22:52.03 | jxqz | how do I fix line characters printing as a bunch of question marks? |
| 22:52.25 | jxqz | I don't know how to search the intarwebz for this |
| 22:52.51 | jxqz | questions lines terminal |
| 22:53.04 | jxqz | doesn't give you very relevant stuff |
| 22:59.32 | jima | jxqz: can you pipe them at all? |
| 22:59.46 | jxqz | jima: what do you mean? |
| 22:59.57 | jima | well, in what context do they show up? |
| 23:00.45 | programmerq | jima: turns out for utah my new company has a different provider altogether |
| 23:00.54 | programmerq | thanks for responding though. :) |
| 23:00.59 | jima | programmerq: ...weird? |
| 23:01.00 | jxqz | in output like for htop or tree |
| 23:01.28 | jxqz | stuff that uses line chars on the terminal |
| 23:04.26 | jima | figure out the ascii codes and filter them out? i dunno |
| 23:04.54 | jima | my instinctive response is pipe the output to xxd |
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