| 00:00.32 | joshh | downtown at least |
| 00:00.40 | joshh | similar vibe, but bigger |
| 00:01.26 | joshh | of course if i visited them close together i probably wouldn't think they were that similar |
| 00:20.36 | jlp_znc | yeah, san jose is pretty "normal" except for the high homeless population |
| 00:21.03 | jlp_znc | I was walking through downtown yesterday evening and at 8PM people were already staking out their doorways |
| 00:21.19 | jlp_znc | kind of freaked me out when I first got here, but I take it in stride, now. |
| 00:21.26 | joshh | ya |
| 00:21.27 | jlp_znc | they're generally harmless, anyway. |
| 00:21.42 | joshh | SF has super crazy homeless, but everyone just utterly ignores them and acts like they're invisible |
| 00:22.14 | jlp_znc | yeah, I've noticed that on previous trips to the city |
| 00:22.24 | joshh | it's almost comical sometimes, to see one screaming like a deranged lunatic and everyone standing nearby looking at their phone or at anything but the actual guy |
| 00:22.36 | jlp_znc | kind of breaks my heart that there isn't more that can be done for them, though |
| 00:22.57 | jlp_znc | at least in SLC they tried to do this "house the homeless" thing. |
| 00:23.02 | joshh | people think they do a lot, but all the "help" just enables them more |
| 00:23.24 | joshh | imo if you are just making it easier or more comfortable to live on the street, you aren't actually helping them |
| 00:23.30 | jlp_znc | http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Salt-Lake-City-a-model-for-S-F-on-homeless-5587357.php |
| 00:24.11 | joshh | personally though, the only times i've ever actually been directly confronted by homeless has been on main street in slc |
| 00:24.23 | joshh | as in having them scream at me directly |
| 00:26.08 | joshh | but i've only actually seen crack being smoked by them here |
| 00:26.11 | jlp_znc | I've been panhandled before, but all of my local homeless (the ones that live along my route home) know that I don't carry cash so they leave me alone |
| 00:26.26 | jlp_znc | "amigo, can you spare, maybe, twenty-five cents?" |
| 00:26.37 | jlp_znc | "sorry, man, I gave all my cash to my wife" |
| 00:26.53 | jlp_znc | "oh. well, thank you anyway." |
| 00:26.59 | joshh | ya, polite panhandling is fine |
| 00:27.09 | jlp_znc | I think he was really saying "thank you for actually listening to me and responding" |
| 00:27.21 | joshh | one time a guy asked for a dollar and i said sure and gave him my pocket change, and he was like oh thank you god bless you etc |
| 00:27.29 | joshh | then counted it and was upset that it was only 80 cents |
| 00:27.45 | jlp_znc | he needed a dollar, man! |
| 00:28.35 | joshh | the non-crazy homeless aren't actually bad people though. did you hear the case where they found and cared for the missing little girl? i think it might have even been in SJ |
| 00:28.44 | jlp_znc | sometimes I'm tempted to go buy a pizza and just hand it to the group of them that congregate around the VTA station across from my house, but then I wonder if I should encourage them. |
| 00:29.05 | joshh | some girl got lost, homeless found her and cared for her overnight at their camp, then flagged down a cop to get her in the morning |
| 00:29.18 | jlp_znc | that's pretty decent. |
| 00:30.42 | joshh | the thing about SF is a lot of the homeless aren't actually homeless... the non-profits that own the crappy weekly hotels or shelter buildings let them live there for free or cheap enough for a panhandler budget |
| 00:31.01 | joshh | the tenderloin has a lot of those, which is why they are concentrated there |
| 00:35.17 | jlp_znc | ahh |
| 00:35.33 | joshh | there was some long article about it recently, kind of an interesting story |
| 00:35.49 | joshh | the city sold the buildings to nonprofits a few decades ago for some low price |
| 00:35.59 | jlp_znc | I remember reading something about people living on boats in the north bay, but don't recall seeing anything about the SF homeless. |
| 00:36.06 | jlp_znc | I'd be interested if you can track down a link. |
| 00:36.24 | joshh | so they own them, and they are private property, so the city can't just "shut down" the tenderloin homeless complex or do much about it |
| 00:36.42 | jlp_znc | I haven't really followed local news, but I probably should. |
| 00:36.44 | joshh | and the police consider it a containment zone, and don't really care what crime happens as long as they don't get too far away from it |
| 00:37.10 | joshh | there was some long interesting article about it a year or so ago |
| 00:37.32 | joshh | the cops do care about crime, just not personal drug crime |
| 00:37.44 | joshh | its like an area where they can have crack in peace |
| 00:38.33 | joshh | well, im out, have a good evening |
| 00:38.42 | jlp_znc | see ya. have a safe trip home. |
| 00:52.49 | RyanE | The homeless in downtown Denver are pretty chill, now that weed is legal there. |
| 00:52.59 | RyanE | I saw a few smoking while I was there last month. |
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| 04:21.13 | Sargun | jxqz: I'm in San Francisco. |
| 04:21.17 | Sargun | er, jima. |
| 04:22.23 | Sargun | jima: /win 67 |
| 04:23.56 | programmerq | I will be in SF next week. |
| 04:25.06 | Sargun | programmerq: Doing what |
| 04:30.54 | programmerq | nginx conference |
| 04:30.58 | programmerq | speaking |
| 04:31.08 | programmerq | well, assuming I actually finish my slides on time. :) |
| 04:31.16 | programmerq | this week I am interviewing like mad |
| 04:31.22 | programmerq | so I hope I can fit in some slide making |
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| 05:02.09 | Sargun | programmerq: What's the topic of you talk |
| 05:04.01 | Sargun | jima: You even met my ex via the IRCs. |
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| 05:11.00 | jxqz | Sargun: San Francisco is in you |
| 05:11.16 | Sargun | jima: It's in me? |
| 05:16.05 | jxqz | yes! |
| 05:17.46 | programmerq | Sargun: I've had some super complex requirements for an nginx config file in the past, so I have actually written tests for my nginx config. |
| 05:17.52 | programmerq | so I was going to share some of that. |
| 05:19.45 | Sargun | uhhh |
| 05:19.47 | Sargun | Tests... |
| 05:19.48 | Sargun | For |
| 05:19.50 | Sargun | Okay |
| 05:19.53 | Sargun | Model checking? |
| 05:19.59 | Sargun | or "unit tests' |
| 05:20.05 | Sargun | Also. Yaws. |
| 05:20.07 | Sargun | It's your firned. |
| 05:20.17 | Sargun | Friend |
| 05:21.37 | programmerq | there are a few approaches I have taken. If I am using a config management style template, I'll write tests around the template to make sure it generates config files that I expect under different conditions |
| 05:22.09 | programmerq | the other thing I'll do is using something like test-kitchen, I'll fire up a vm, have chef write out my config file, and then send in a bunch of curl requests to make sure it behaves properly. |
| 05:22.34 | programmerq | when you start having 4-10 edge cases for how you want your nginx config file to look across environments, one bad line can screw you |
| 05:23.01 | programmerq | because it's a factorial of combinations of those cases |
| 05:23.08 | programmerq | it's a niche problem for sure |
| 05:23.33 | programmerq | I'll have to check out yaws, but after I give my talk probably. :) |
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| 05:53.10 | jxqz | yes, check out yawns |
| 06:40.18 | Sargun | *Yaws. |
| 06:40.20 | Sargun | Not Yawns! |
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| 14:01.15 | jima | Sargun: err, your ex...? |
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| 14:22.54 | eightyeight | for those who didn't see the recent global notice re: the freenode backdoor: |
| 14:22.56 | eightyeight | https://www.nccgroup.com/en/blog/2014/10/analysis-of-the-linux-backdoor-used-in-freenode-irc-network-compromise/ |
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| 16:42.23 | youtah | Jayce, |
| 16:42.35 | youtah | have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon? |
| 16:42.54 | youtah | or ask the grinning bobcat why he grins? |
| 16:43.03 | youtah | another question |
| 16:43.14 | youtah | can you sing with all the voices of the mountain? |
| 16:43.16 | youtah | or.... |
| 16:43.23 | youtah | can you paint with all the colors of the wind? |
| 16:43.26 | youtah | I didn't think so |
| 16:43.27 | Jayce | who put the bop, in the bop shebop? |
| 16:43.43 | youtah | who put the ram |
| 16:44.02 | Jayce | yeah, I didn't want to go there |
| 16:44.07 | youtah | in the rama lama ding dong |
| 16:44.08 | Jayce | but it'll get harleypig's attention |
| 16:44.27 | Jayce | so, I finally broke down and kicked https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/augustgermar/anonabox-a-tor-hardware-router |
| 16:44.56 | harleypig | ? |
| 16:45.06 | harleypig | looks around curiously |
| 16:45.09 | youtah | lol |
| 16:45.54 | harleypig | woah ... that kickstarter is getting serious funding quickly |
| 16:46.01 | Jayce | yeah |
| 16:46.06 | youtah | TWSS |
| 16:46.10 | Jayce | yesterday was in the $80k area |
| 16:47.01 | youtah | how funny would it be if they all shipped, and it was just simply two ports connected with a patch cable inside? |
| 16:47.55 | youtah | most expensive RJ45 coupler ever! |
| 16:48.33 | harleypig | youtah: you're an evil thinker :> |
| 16:48.50 | youtah | Buwa ha ha ha ha! |
| 16:48.51 | Jayce | it's "secure" |
| 16:49.00 | youtah | and fast! |
| 16:49.29 | harleypig | I was thinking ... I wonder what an NSA map would look like after this got popular ... I'm picturing little red dots disappearing randomly and then spreading faster and faster ... |
| 16:49.37 | youtah | We shouldn't really make fun of Jayce's new $50+ coupler you guys.... |
| 16:49.55 | harleypig | ... |
| 16:49.59 | harleypig | bites his tongue |
| 16:50.02 | Jayce | harleypig: don't go there.... |
| 16:50.05 | Jayce | :D |
| 16:50.06 | youtah | ROFL |
| 16:50.19 | Jayce | "it's detachable"... |
| 16:50.29 | harleypig | mutters 'teledildonics ...' |
| 16:50.31 | youtah | swappable |
| 16:50.40 | Jayce | introduced a few coworkers to that song yesterday.. |
| 16:52.38 | youtah | (going back to the ramming a llama's ding dong song for harleypig http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fYpwEYFRrEQ/hqdefault.jpg) |
| 16:53.19 | harleypig | It doesn't look like his ding dong is what's getting hammered ... |
| 16:53.41 | youtah | LOL |
| 16:54.20 | Jayce | ding-dong.. just reminds me of "blind melon chitlin'" |
| 16:54.33 | Jayce | watches harleypig roll back in some memories for that reference |
| 16:55.26 | harleypig | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyT_2vV1jEw |
| 16:55.57 | Jayce | :D |
| 16:56.31 | harleypig | And yes, I'm listening to it now. :> |
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| 16:59.05 | youtah | NSFW (Ding Dong Song by Gunther) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z13qnzUQwuI |
| 16:59.09 | harleypig | I'm gonna show'em my ding dong ... |
| 16:59.47 | harleypig | I'd forgotten how funny the ending of that is. |
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| 17:01.45 | Jayce | and next, "Let's make a dope deal".. or "Dave's not here" :) |
| 17:04.19 | davido__ | Tonight is Salt Lake Perl Mongers, featuring a presentation from Scott Wiersdorf: Asynchronous programming patterns with Mojo::IOLoop::Delay |
| 17:04.27 | davido__ | http://saltlake.pm.org has the scoop. |
| 17:04.53 | davido__ | Food thanks to the generosity of Bluehost. |
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| 18:33.45 | youtah | So. |
| 18:33.47 | youtah | I watched my neighbors house burn to the ground last night |
| 18:34.10 | jlp_znc | what? |
| 18:34.36 | programmerq | youtah: was that the one out in Lehi? |
| 18:34.44 | jlp_znc | don't you guys have a fire department? |
| 18:34.56 | jima | youtah: you are so creepy. |
| 18:35.33 | jima | youtah: i'm envisioning you with an expression like disaster girl |
| 18:41.24 | youtah | yeah, we have a fire department |
| 18:41.28 | youtah | but they are 15 minutes away |
| 18:41.39 | youtah | Lehi City hasn't built the one in our area yet |
| 18:41.53 | youtah | They have the designated plot, but that's about it |
| 18:43.01 | jima | yeesh |
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| 18:55.00 | Sargun | jima: Lakshmi |
| 18:55.50 | Oberon4278 | Lakshmi Singh? |
| 18:56.58 | harleypig | Do I need to run grub with some command when I change grub.conf? I thought I didn't but the comments in the generated conf file have me confused. |
| 18:57.01 | jima | i can't distinctly remember talking to her on irc |
| 18:57.24 | jima | not that it didn't happen, i just don't recall |
| 19:03.44 | youtah | I dont see Cat's doing this.... http://imgur.com/gallery/xgA7Qxx |
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| 19:15.08 | eightyeight | lawlz. play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boNRVXR7bqg at 2x |
| 19:15.10 | eightyeight | :) |
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| 19:38.27 | youtah | https://twitter.com/markberman/status/522108794407763968 |
| 19:59.07 | fozzmoo | I wish we'd stop treating the CDC like they're a bunch of super-doctors. They're bureaucrats. Mark Zuckerberg should be giving money to one of the companies that has developed a serum or a trial vaccine. I'd like to think the CDC is going to distribute the donations... but I think, instead, they'll hold a retreat in Vegas. |
| 19:59.18 | Oberon4278 | How difficult is it to get Linux running on an old laptop, with all (or most of) the peripherals running? |
| 19:59.45 | RyanE | how old? |
| 19:59.48 | fozzmoo | Oberon4278: That depends largely on your own Linux-competence and whether you have a "Linux buddy" to help you. :) |
| 19:59.56 | Oberon4278 | fozzmoo: Can you say more about the CDC being a bureaucracy? |
| 20:00.06 | Oberon4278 | I also tend to think of them as super doctors. |
| 20:00.06 | fozzmoo | But I'd say it's likely easier now than it was your laptop was new. |
| 20:00.21 | Oberon4278 | It's... well, I bought it in 2008 I think. |
| 20:00.26 | Oberon4278 | It's a Dell Something-or-Other. |
| 20:00.31 | RyanE | you're probably fine in that case. |
| 20:00.34 | pashdown | fozzmoo wants to return to the days of men selling hair tonics on the back of wagons |
| 20:00.35 | fozzmoo | agrees |
| 20:00.38 | RyanE | not too old, not too new... just right... :) |
| 20:00.44 | Oberon4278 | awesome |
| 20:00.48 | fozzmoo | pashdown: I could use a new tonic. :) |
| 20:00.53 | pashdown | lolz |
| 20:01.04 | RyanE | I could use some hair. :) |
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| 20:01.08 | Oberon4278 | I think that's the FDA that you're thinking of, pashdown |
| 20:01.09 | joshh | are you getting the CDC mixed up with susan g komen? |
| 20:01.18 | fozzmoo | "Let's give our money to the government. They'll know what to do with it!" |
| 20:01.27 | pashdown | its the gursh durn gubbermint i'm thinking of! |
| 20:01.32 | Oberon4278 | fozzmoo: Are you a libertarian? |
| 20:01.36 | pashdown | lolz |
| 20:01.52 | fozzmoo | Oberon4278: That's generally a fair assessment. |
| 20:01.54 | Oberon4278 | ok |
| 20:02.10 | Oberon4278 | so is it a matter of distrusting a government agency in general, or do you have specific problems with the CDC? |
| 20:02.13 | Oberon4278 | or both |
| 20:03.06 | joshh | he only trusts goldman sachs and bp |
| 20:03.16 | fozzmoo | I don't think the CDC has a great track record on this current Ebola issue. But my larger observation is that they're not the ones who are coming up with potential cures or treatments. |
| 20:03.29 | Oberon4278 | BP would have been fine if it weren't for the hippie regulations pushing them farther and farther offshore! |
| 20:03.41 | joshh | is anybody coming up with a potential cure? |
| 20:03.59 | Oberon4278 | It's not really the CDC's job to come up with cures and/or treatments. |
| 20:04.02 | fozzmoo | Yes, there are independent laboratories who have candidate vaccines in development, or in production. |
| 20:04.19 | fozzmoo | Oberon4278: Exactly... so why give them gazillions of dollars in donations? |
| 20:04.34 | Oberon4278 | shrugs. |
| 20:04.37 | Oberon4278 | Good point, I guess. |
| 20:05.01 | Oberon4278 | Personally I think we should pull out of Africa (and Texas) and let this fire burn itself out. |
| 20:05.07 | joshh | his wife is some kind of doctor, maybe he has more knowledge or ideas about how it will help than whatever the news articles said |
| 20:05.08 | Oberon4278 | ...okay no, not really |
| 20:05.20 | joshh | which i haven't read, btw |
| 20:05.24 | joshh | i only know he donated from irc |
| 20:05.27 | fozzmoo | Yeah, the "pull out" advice always works out well. ;-) |
| 20:05.39 | Oberon4278 | Hey it worked for me when I was a teenager |
| 20:06.16 | joshh | it's all about the timing |
| 20:06.23 | Oberon4278 | What has the CDC done wrong with the current ebola issue? |
| 20:06.33 | Oberon4278 | I thought they were handling it just fine, but I haven't really been tracking it. |
| 20:07.30 | joshh | they have brad pitt traveling to ground zero in a business class jet to investigate the source |
| 20:07.33 | fozzmoo | When the news broke that we had a patient zero in Dallas, the CDC had a press conference and told everyone to wash their hands frequently. |
| 20:07.42 | joshh | while his family is on an aircraft carrier |
| 20:07.46 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:08.07 | fozzmoo | joshh++ |
| 20:08.29 | Oberon4278 | Okay... |
| 20:08.33 | Oberon4278 | I don't see how that's a problem |
| 20:08.57 | Oberon4278 | washing your hands frequently is a great way to limit the spread of disease |
| 20:09.32 | fozzmoo | Sure, but do we need a government organization with a 6.6 billion dollar annual budget to remind us to wash our hands? |
| 20:09.58 | Oberon4278 | I don't get your complaint here. |
| 20:10.04 | joshh | they do quite a bit more |
| 20:10.09 | Oberon4278 | PSAs aren't the only thing they do. |
| 20:10.26 | fozzmoo | Generally speaking, all they've really been good at since Ebola has reached our shores is telling people to wash their hands and telling the media they don't really anything. |
| 20:10.33 | joshh | what else would they do, put a dome over dallas? |
| 20:10.43 | fozzmoo | s/anything/know anything/ |
| 20:10.55 | Oberon4278 | What would you like them to do? |
| 20:11.16 | Oberon4278 | Ebola is not particularly easy to pass from person to person. |
| 20:11.30 | joshh | basically some guy brought it over from africa, and they are helping to coordinate the containment/monitoring at a federal/international level |
| 20:11.36 | joshh | and it's only one thing they are doing for one current crisis |
| 20:11.49 | Oberon4278 | America has a well established health care system. The chance of an ebola breakout is essentially zero. |
| 20:11.51 | fozzmoo | I'd like them to either step back and let established disease containment procedures and processes do their job or step up and manage the situation like real professionals. |
| 20:12.14 | Oberon4278 | ...who do you think establishes disease containment procedures? |
| 20:12.40 | fozzmoo | Instead, they're saying they can't find any private companies in Dallas to do clean up where patient zero puked on the ground... |
| 20:12.59 | fozzmoo | So, news chopper sees some guy hosing down the sidewalk with a power washer. |
| 20:13.31 | Oberon4278 | link? |
| 20:13.46 | fozzmoo | The chances of getting Ebola are really pretty slim, but I think most people would still want to wear full protective gear considering the risk of what happens when you DO get it. |
| 20:14.16 | fozzmoo | http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/workers-spray-ebola-patients-vomit-sidewalk-pressure-washer-protective-clothing-photo.html |
| 20:14.45 | Oberon4278 | Sure, you obviously need to take precautions, but the necessary precautions are ones that health professionals should already be taking when working with symptomatic patients. |
| 20:15.54 | fozzmoo | So, is the CDC managing this cleanup? If so, they're incompetent. Who knows? Maybe they came through in hazmat suits with a can of Lysol before the newschopper got those pictures. :) |
| 20:17.36 | Oberon4278 | Eh, I don't know. |
| 20:18.37 | eightyeight | keeping it real: http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width620/img/opinion_impact/photo/2014/10/10/16052028-mmmain.jpg |
| 20:18.54 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: :) |
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| 20:29.48 | Oberon4278 | I just have a hard time getting upset or worrying about it. |
| 20:30.24 | RyanE | Oberon4278: We're all going to die!!!!! |
| 20:30.25 | Oberon4278 | Like I said, we have an established health care system. |
| 20:30.27 | RyanE | ... eventually |
| 20:30.30 | Oberon4278 | Yes, we are. |
| 20:31.03 | Oberon4278 | I'm okay with that. Are you? |
| 20:31.17 | RyanE | from time to time. |
| 20:31.36 | RyanE | don't particularly want to go that way, though. :) |
| 20:32.28 | Oberon4278 | Same. |
| 20:32.34 | Oberon4278 | I want to die in an aviation accident. |
| 20:33.03 | RyanE | well... good luck with that... :) |
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| 20:54.33 | jxqz | should you ever allow scripts from a domain having the form *alizer.*? |
| 21:00.19 | jxqz | I know, everyone is stunned by such a suggestion |
| 21:13.50 | eightyeight | equalizer? neutralizer? |
| 21:14.23 | eightyeight | breathalizer |
| 21:15.34 | jxqz | indeed |
| 21:15.41 | jxqz | alizer.io |
| 21:18.28 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/L5zGOj4.gif |
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| 22:43.19 | tristanrhodes__ | has everyone put this on their calendar? http://www.weber.edu/WSUToday/102214_FreeSoftwareActivisttoSpeakatWSU.html |
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| 22:45.58 | Tod-Work | tristanrhodes__, only to avoid wholeheartedly |
| 22:46.29 | Tod-Work | is controversial |
| 22:47.05 | joshh | i read his rider the other day, it was interesting |
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