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| 17:14.55 | rsimpkins | youtah: Will you please buy me one of these for Christmas? http://www.anandtech.com/show/8496/dell-previews-27inch-5k-ultrasharp-monitor-5120x2880 |
| 17:17.45 | jxqz | rsimpkins: they'll have to refilm all of your favorite movies just so you can watch them on your tv |
| 17:18.16 | rsimpkins | jxqz: It will be cheaper to just go live them, probably. |
| 17:19.15 | levi | Man, the designers of the LG G3 must have been smoking crack. Why the crazy pixel density? |
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| 17:34.40 | tomstokes | Probably more of a marketing decision. |
| 17:35.56 | levi | Yeah, probably. |
| 17:36.50 | levi | It strikes me as funny that Apple is incredibly marketing-driven, but have an entirely different marketing strategy. |
| 17:38.25 | levi | Most of the android handsets market based on specs like number of cores or number of pixels; Apple steadfastly avoids spec numbers like that in their marketing. |
| 17:41.28 | levi | Samsung seems to have caught on to how to do Apple-style marketing, though they continue on with the spec-numbers marketing as well. |
| 17:42.24 | levi | Best Buy these days is practically "The Samsung Store" with a few other things around the edges. :P |
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| 17:47.35 | youtah | rsimpkins, only one? |
| 17:47.56 | youtah | I may or may not have accidentally just nailed Jayce with a nerf gun right in his "Mommy Daddy Button" |
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| 17:56.16 | jlp_znc | um, TMI |
| 17:57.27 | jlp_znc | apple's marketing can be summed up with "yeah, it's apple" |
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| 18:41.57 | tomstokes | Apple is also coasting on a big reputation at the moment |
| 18:42.49 | tomstokes | I think MKBHD (YouTube tech reviewer guy) said it best about the Apple Watch. He said something to the effect of "Would anyone really be this excited if anyone other than Apple had released a watch that must be charged every single night?" |
| 18:48.05 | Oberon4278 | A blonde, a brunette and a redhead walk into a bar in Oxford. The bartender gives them a comma. |
| 18:48.33 | Oberon4278 | My sister sent me a picture of her new Apple watch. It was her iPhone balanced on her wrist. |
| 18:50.19 | eightyeight | apple marketing is interesting, because desktop market share for Mac OS X really hasn't changed over the years |
| 18:50.27 | eightyeight | it still sits around 10% total share |
| 18:50.55 | eightyeight | the bulk of their income comes from phones and tablets, which makes sense why jobs was so upset when google entered the phone arena |
| 18:51.43 | eightyeight | i would have thought their desktop os would have been more successful as a direct result of the mobile marketing, but that hasn't seemed to be the case |
| 18:54.06 | eightyeight | even after offering cheap, then eventually free OS X upgrades through their app store |
| 18:54.15 | tomstokes | I wonder what the desktop market share looks like if you subtract out all of the corporate machines |
| 18:54.17 | tomstokes | I'd be curious |
| 18:54.34 | pashdown | "we have to use windows because we have to" |
| 18:55.17 | eightyeight | http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200807-201409 |
| 18:56.19 | eightyeight | i bet if apple pulled windows support for itunes, their market share would surge |
| 18:56.53 | eightyeight | that's a risky bet though |
| 18:57.46 | eightyeight | interesting also that Windows 8 isn't going anywhere |
| 19:02.19 | Oberon4278 | It's too bad about their desktop OS share. I personally love the idea of a slick desktop environment on top of *nix. |
| 19:02.53 | Oberon4278 | I just can't shake the cult / used car sales feeling I get from their marketing. |
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| 19:06.14 | levi | eightyeight: If you look instead at Apple share of PC *profits*, it becomes clear why they remain where they are. |
| 19:07.28 | programmerq | I hate their marketing. |
| 19:07.57 | programmerq | they got it wrong from the start. PC != windows |
| 19:08.45 | programmerq | my mbp is just as much a pc as any other personal computer. it isn't a server, and certainly isn't a mainframe. |
| 19:10.57 | eightyeight | apple has more money than some countries |
| 19:15.34 | Oberon4278 | levi: Do you mean because they're expensive? |
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| 19:23.40 | levi | Oberon4278: I mean because Apple has managed to maintain proft margin on their PCs, unlike most of the PC market. Sony, for example, recently sold off their PC division as they couldn't keep it profitable. |
| 19:24.09 | Oberon4278 | ahh |
| 19:24.51 | Oberon4278 | so basically, PC hardware has been commoditized to the point where turning a profit is difficult? |
| 19:24.58 | levi | Indeed. |
| 19:25.17 | Oberon4278 | Those poor, poor executives. |
| 19:25.20 | Oberon4278 | :'( |
| 19:25.27 | levi | Selling crapware on a commodity laptop can *double* the profit margin per unit. |
| 19:25.35 | Oberon4278 | wow |
| 19:25.50 | Oberon4278 | no wonder laptops come with so much shit pre-installed |
| 19:25.54 | RyanE | and *triple* the pain inflicted on users. |
| 19:25.55 | levi | Yeah. |
| 19:27.17 | Oberon4278 | In other news, Tom Waits still has the best cover of Waltzing Matilda ever. |
| 19:27.20 | levi | Apple's margins are comparatively huge, but it means the profit comes from selling you the machine, not through crapware and 3rd party promotional deals, etc. |
| 19:27.28 | levi | Tom Waits is awesome. |
| 19:27.50 | Oberon4278 | I almost want him to do a cover of Hurt |
| 19:28.04 | Oberon4278 | but I feel like wanting that is disloyal to Johnny Cash |
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| 19:43.47 | levi | Another thing to consider in the Apple price equation is that their margins don't come solely from retail price, but also from careful supply chain management. |
| 19:50.41 | youtah | Two more of my photos were just published on a new site that I haven't been in before. https://utah.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1681886 |
| 19:50.50 | youtah | Fun little story too |
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| 20:35.10 | harleypig | I think the man in black would like a cover of Hurt by Waits ... he was happy whenever someone covered one of his songs. |
| 20:35.14 | harleypig | For the most part. |
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| 20:41.08 | fungus | harleypig, if by "man in black" you refer to Johnny Cash, you have an error in your statement. Hurt was not written by Johnny Cash. It was written by Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails. It was Johnny Cash did the cover. |
| 20:46.11 | harleypig | fungus: yeah, yeah. I know. I didn't want to be nit picky. OTOH, Cash's cover of Hurt made it a completely different song. Even Trent Reznor said it was "more powerful to [him] than [his] own version." |
| 20:46.21 | harleypig | http://www.uncut.co.uk/nine-inch-nails/interview-trent-reznor-feature |
| 20:46.58 | fungus | It was a good version, but the swear word edit was cringe worthy. |
| 20:48.36 | harleypig | ? don't remember a swear word edit. |
| 20:50.06 | fungus | "I wear this crown of (shit|thorns)" |
| 20:52.32 | harleypig | oh ... I didn't take it as an edit ... at least not a "let's not swear" edit. There are acouple of other words changes. |
| 20:52.52 | fungus | fundamentally different meanings. and the use of the word "thorns" in that spot doesn't fit with theme or vibe of the song due to it's religious connotations. |
| 20:58.17 | harleypig | Cash's cover of the song changed the meaning of the song, the fundamental nature of the song. |
| 20:59.00 | fungus | yeah, somewhat, but the swear word edit was a poor choice.\ |
| 20:59.19 | harleypig | Reznor's version was the beginning of the decline, Cash's version was after dragging oneself out of that decline. |
| 20:59.36 | harleypig | meh, I disagree. |
| 21:00.19 | Tod-Work | "swear word edit" seems to paint more of a picture of the viewer of the edit than the edit itself |
| 21:00.36 | Tod-Work | both are very small pictures |
| 21:00.45 | Tod-Work | I wouldn't read too much into them |
| 21:00.50 | fungus | a crown of thorns is also a symbol of suffering like a crown of shit. But a crown of thorns elevates the wearer into a martyr. And martyrism is not part of the song. |
| 21:02.57 | levi | One of the two substances can actually be formed into a crown. :P |
| 21:04.59 | joshh | i prefer the crowns of molten gold |
| 21:05.18 | fungus | agrees |
| 21:06.44 | harleypig | a crown of thorns is a symbol of pain and degradation |
| 21:07.10 | harleypig | It's not a symbol of martyrdom |
| 21:07.19 | fungus | Yes it is. But wearing one automatically compares the wearer to that Jesus dude. |
| 21:08.08 | joshh | who else besides jesus ever had one? |
| 21:08.17 | joshh | never heard of it other than that, fiction or non |
| 21:08.55 | joshh | as in i've never heard of it in any other story or real life news |
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| 21:18.07 | harleypig | I don't know how to put this. I'm not good with words. I think you aren't thinking about this beyond the surface. I don't think Cash is comparing himself to the Savior by the use of the phrase 'crown of thorns'. Knowing what is known about his life would seem to indicate to me that he's come to realize that his 'empire of dirt' and his 'crown of thorns' was |
| 21:18.08 | harleypig | his own damn fault. And crown of thorns has always seemed to me to be more painful and degrading than a symbol of martyrdom. |
| 21:18.58 | fungus | That's the problem with the word choice. crown of thorns refers to both. |
| 21:19.17 | fungus | The original word choice avoided this problem. |
| 21:19.33 | harleypig | But the new choice is part of what makes the song that much more powerful. |
| 21:20.11 | fungus | I disagree. what makes his version powerful is the performance he provides. |
| 21:20.41 | harleypig | wait ... refers to both what? pain and degradation? martyrdom? |
| 21:20.50 | fungus | all of the above |
| 21:20.58 | harleypig | I said "part" of what makes it powerful |
| 21:21.16 | fungus | and I disagree that the word change makes it any more powerful. |
| 21:21.19 | harleypig | I have never heard of the idea that crown of thorns as a symbol of martydom. |
| 21:21.37 | harleypig | only as a symbol of pain and degradation |
| 21:21.43 | harleypig | and a symbol of the curse of Man. |
| 21:21.50 | fungus | the symbol of the crown of thorns always refers to the crucifixion. |
| 21:22.10 | fungus | a symbol of great suffering and martyrdom. |
| 21:23.33 | fungus | Cash's word choice adds a religious/martyr tinge to a verse about only suffering. this complication, in my opinion, reduces the original power of his performance. |
| 21:23.41 | harleypig | ok |
| 21:24.17 | Tod-Work | Um, no. The crown of thorns in christian nomenclature is a simble of two things. 1) The putting on of sin to Christ as thorns are a symbol of the fall of man, and 2) the mockery, torture, and degradation of Christ as "King of the Jews" |
| 21:24.59 | Tod-Work | the religious association is built-in by set association because Christ is the only one we know who had one, it isn't "Hey, that guy's just like Christ!" That's carring symbolism |
| 21:26.03 | fungus | Because the symbol is only associated with Jesus, and that it is associated with the actual crucifixion/martyrdom of Christ. It will always be colored in that light. |
| 21:28.04 | fungus | This isn't a religious text where you pick apart the symbols specifically. It's used in a literary context so it should be interpreted in that sense. |
| 21:31.10 | Tod-Work | *symbol |
| 21:32.37 | Tod-Work | I do get what you're saying there. I'm just saying I don't give a damn about whatever baggage people are going to build into something I say. I'm not talking to those kinds of idiots. Cash probably wasn't using it for the masses to say "I'm Jesus, hear me roar" from what I can tell, so sure, someone's going to interpret it that way. So what? If he didn't mean it, he didn't mean it. |
| 21:32.41 | Tod-Work | *shrug* |
| 21:32.55 | Tod-Work | Everyone can interpret it their own way. I hope it makes them happy? |
| 21:36.01 | fungus | Tod you are right, everyone will interpret it in their way. However Authorial Intent is only one way to view/criticize a piece of work. |
| 21:36.30 | fungus | My argument is that the extra baggage from using this symbol detracts from the power/message of the verse itself. |
| 21:37.39 | Tod-Work | I'll be honest, I don't really have an argument here |
| 21:37.54 | Jayce | being in the target market for the association (the likely to see it as incorrect) , I'd say it improves the imagery given his context |
| 21:37.55 | fungus | Some symbols will always come with extra baggage, even if it was never intended in the first place. Example: Confederate flag of the Civil War, comes with the baggage of slavery, war, and secessionism. |
| 21:42.32 | harleypig | Unless you view the Civil War as The War of Northern Aggression. |
| 21:44.13 | fungus | Agreed. Though, happily, those people are relatively few in number. |
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| 21:50.18 | harleypig | You might ask goozbach if that's the case where he just came from. |
| 21:50.44 | harleypig | But my point is, just because it seems like the baggage associated with something is universal, it rarely is. |
| 21:51.45 | harleypig | Or, as somebody else put it, the customs of your tribe are not laws of nature. |
| 21:53.17 | jlp_znc | wheee! |
| 21:57.13 | harleypig | Nice slide, jlp_znc? |
| 22:15.42 | jlp_znc | yep |
| 22:15.52 | jlp_znc | I always love a good debate |
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