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| 05:19.11 | Q_Continuum | Moving to Cottonwood Heights, now I have the typical ISP choice: Comcast, Centurylink, or the 5-7Mbit Xmission over CenturyLink option. |
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| 14:38.24 | tvc123 | Q_Continuum: none are good choices ... I chose the comcast option but not sure if I made the right call |
| 14:47.40 | Q_Continuum | Yeah, I see it as the choice South Park explained well. "Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich" |
| 15:04.50 | programmerq | sighs |
| 15:05.07 | programmerq | my legislators usually disappoint with their canned responses. |
| 15:05.16 | programmerq | either it's generic and I don't even think they read my message |
| 15:05.22 | programmerq | or they want to do the wrong thing. |
| 15:06.09 | Tod-Work | levi, I expect to learn me a haskell, do not disappoint! |
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| 15:15.03 | unum | programmerq: who'd you contact? |
| 15:16.02 | programmerq | orrin hatch was the response I got back today. |
| 15:16.57 | programmerq | but then again, I think he's the poster child for the case of implementing term limits |
| 15:21.46 | Jayce | ++ |
| 15:24.48 | Tod-Work | Q_Continuum, if you don't need upload, seriously just get xmission, you'll be happier with your ISP not being stupid and being communicative, even when CL cuts lines or something. |
| 15:25.12 | Tod-Work | Otherwise, get Comcast and suffer through it, or get ComcastBusiness and enjoy the better service |
| 15:25.38 | Tod-Work | really depends on how important internet is to your life, I guess |
| 15:31.22 | levi | Tod-Work: Whether you learn you a haskell is entirely up to you. It's more of a study group kick-off than lectures. But if you have questions or topics you'd like to know more about, we will endeavor to find answers for you! |
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| 15:32.06 | Tod-Work | levi, no no, I can't be in charge of my own destiny. Obviously this is all on your shoulders (and I know nothing of Haskell) |
| 15:33.01 | Tod-Work | levi, on a more serious note, if Stacie Farmer is there, we're going to see how far we can get her thinking in Haskell tonight. It's an experiment! =cP |
| 15:35.47 | Q_Continuum | Tod-Work: Yeah, I work from home sometimes as a sysadmin...so the slow connection would be...painful |
| 15:36.51 | Tod-Work | indeed |
| 15:38.05 | programmerq | yeah, I won't live somewhere that I'd be stuck with comcast. |
| 15:38.23 | programmerq | I even made Edge put in the contract that fiber optic line would be run to the home. Ha! |
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| 15:39.49 | Tod-Work | shakes an iron fist at Utopia |
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| 15:40.51 | programmerq | has directcom |
| 15:45.48 | Tod-Work | has comcastbusiness, because utopia failed him |
| 15:46.16 | Q_Continuum | Considering both Utopia and Xmission couldn't tell me any apartment complexes with Utopia, I didn't really have a choice. |
| 15:46.50 | Q_Continuum | (Neither one had a list; Xmission gave me a few that were housing communities; but I'm renting not buying) |
| 15:47.22 | Tod-Work | Nobody has a list of where utopia is available. They can only check against addresses |
| 15:47.32 | Tod-Work | maps are apparently hard to make, for some reason |
| 15:47.46 | Q_Continuum | Except apartment complexes would be an 'all or nothing' affair, from what I understand. |
| 15:48.01 | Q_Continuum | And no one has signed on, they all go for Comcast or CL/Satellite |
| 15:48.04 | Tod-Work | in utopia-land, yeah |
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| 15:48.41 | Tod-Work | though this exists: http://broadband.utah.gov/map/ |
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| 17:17.09 | jlp_vnc | Tod-Work: I have the same problem with Utopia. My house is in Murray... a tier 1 Utopia adopter, but I live in the donut hole which is the only place in Murray that they did not build out. |
| 17:17.23 | jlp_vnc | (well, I live there when I'm at home :-) |
| 17:17.49 | Tod-Work | ditto, but in Orem |
| 17:18.13 | jlp_vnc | I ask them every year or so when they will finish building out in Murray. the answer is always "maybe next year" |
| 17:18.24 | Tod-Work | I found out today that the point of the mountain development has fiber |
| 17:18.26 | Tod-Work | but it's Veracity |
| 17:18.31 | Tod-Work | just purely Veracity |
| 17:19.26 | Tod-Work | Veracity is quite possibly the dumbest ISP I've ever worked with. Just ludicrously inept. |
| 17:19.42 | jlp_vnc | youtah has them. |
| 17:19.51 | Tod-Work | poor bastard |
| 17:20.19 | Tod-Work | I hope they've improved over the years, but their running of iProvo seems to indicate to me otherwise |
| 17:20.36 | jlp_vnc | he seems satisfied |
| 17:21.01 | Tod-Work | well, I settled with Comcast. Heaven knows I'll probably have to settle wherever I end up. |
| 17:21.19 | jlp_vnc | yeah, my house is on comcrap, too. they suck, though. |
| 17:21.37 | jlp_vnc | network seems to go out on a regular basis... not locally, but upstream in denver or texas. |
| 17:21.42 | jlp_vnc | last night, for example |
| 17:22.04 | jlp_vnc | you call their tech support, "have you tried turning your computer off and on again?" |
| 17:22.18 | jlp_vnc | me: "um, it's not the local loop. my traceroute makes it to denver." |
| 17:22.36 | jlp_vnc | them: "it says here your modem isn't one we supply... you should contact the manufacturer." |
| 17:22.41 | jlp_vnc | me: "sigh" |
| 17:23.16 | jlp_vnc | me: "can you pass me to tier 2 support?" |
| 17:23.39 | jlp_vnc | them: "sure" hands phone to guy next to them, new guy: "have you tried rebooting your router and modem?" |
| 17:24.14 | jlp_vnc | (new guy at least knows what a router is) |
| 17:26.05 | jlp_vnc | me: "my traffic is getting as far as interface a.b.c.d on router <router name> in denver. can you forward this to someone who actually can fix problems on the internal backbone?" |
| 17:26.32 | jlp_vnc | new guy: "um, I don't think your modem is supported. maybe you should call Motorola." |
| 17:27.14 | jlp_vnc | me, faith in new guy dashed: "never mind, I'll just twiddle my thumbs until someone in the noc notices the problem and resets the router port. I know they won't fix it, though, and the problem will recur in a couple of days, but hey, whatever." |
| 17:27.43 | jlp_vnc | new guy: "well, thanks for calling!" hangs up, happy that he "helped" me. |
| 17:28.25 | youtah | Tod-Work, getting them to setup and install my internet was Veracity was a pain in the butt |
| 17:28.38 | youtah | but once I got them up and running, it's been rock solid for over a year, zero outtages |
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| 17:29.23 | youtah | Tod-Work, "Point of the Mountain Development" being Traverse Mountain? |
| 17:29.45 | Tod-Work | youtah, yeah |
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| 17:33.29 | youtah | That's where I live |
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| 17:47.33 | Tod-Work | Wonder if winter is a good moving time |
| 17:47.44 | Tod-Work | or house selling time, for that matter |
| 17:47.52 | Tod-Work | should probably talk to a realtor in a bit |
| 17:54.44 | jlp_vnc | there is a realtor that lives in my neighborhood that is a pretty good guy. I can give you his contact info if you like. |
| 17:55.52 | Tod-Work | I have a couple recommendations, but thank you =c) |
| 17:56.42 | programmerq | Tod-Work: there certainly is less overall market volume during winter, but I don't know if that affects pricing. |
| 17:57.30 | joshh | jlp_vnc: you splitting your time between utah and sj? |
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| 18:28.46 | jlp_vnc | I get to Utah as often as possible... I try to go every other weekend, but sometimes every third. |
| 18:29.00 | jlp_vnc | family is still in utah, but I'm working in california |
| 18:30.34 | joshh | ah, i see.. i brought family with me |
| 18:30.41 | joshh | rented my murray house out for about a year, then sold it |
| 18:30.53 | jlp_vnc | my wife can't travel yet... she recently had knee surgery |
| 18:31.24 | jlp_vnc | and my daughter has two more semesters at SLCC to get her associates degree in pre-nursing. kind of wants to finish that out (she's living at home) |
| 18:31.27 | joshh | you seen the oakland to provo allegiant flights? dirt cheap sometimes |
| 18:31.39 | joshh | although alaska has pretty decent sjc-slc flights now |
| 18:32.03 | jlp_vnc | I have looked at them, but I don't have a car out here, so getting to oakland is painful. I've been using the alaskan air flights a lot. |
| 18:32.14 | joshh | ouch, no car? |
| 18:32.31 | jlp_vnc | they have an 8:50 pm out of SJC and an early morning (7:00 am) out of SLC that have been working for me. |
| 18:32.43 | jlp_vnc | in fact, my next trip is on the 18th and I got the round trip for $176 |
| 18:33.06 | joshh | thats pretty nice |
| 18:33.28 | jlp_vnc | no, no car yet. I have a jeep in the shop, but so far getting to/from work I've been able to ride caltrain and it's pretty easy |
| 18:34.06 | jlp_vnc | I live about three blocks from the san jose caltrain station, and linkedin runs a shuttle from the mountain view station to the office |
| 18:34.23 | jlp_vnc | and the company pays for a gopass, so it doesn't cost me anything |
| 18:34.45 | joshh | nice |
| 18:34.56 | jlp_vnc | I put some cash on a clipper card for busses when I go to SF or need to get somewhere on VTA, but I hardly ever use it |
| 18:35.26 | jlp_vnc | it's about a 20 minute walk to Target, or about 10 into SJC downtown. |
| 18:35.38 | joshh | my company pays exactly enough into the commuter card thing to cover a monthly sf muni pass, which i use to ride the light rail up here |
| 18:35.42 | joshh | from west side of sf to downtown |
| 18:36.43 | joshh | you live close to diridon or the other one? |
| 18:37.31 | joshh | i've only been to the one close to downtown/sap center, to see a sharks game |
| 18:37.52 | joshh | which i think is diridon |
| 18:40.39 | jlp_vnc | diridon. I live about two blocks from the SAP center |
| 18:41.07 | jlp_vnc | VTA light rail goes right in front of my house. it's very noisy at night :-) |
| 18:41.31 | jlp_vnc | what company are you with? |
| 18:42.20 | joshh | lookout mobile security |
| 18:42.46 | jlp_vnc | oh, cool. I use lookout on my phone (t-mobile gives you premium lookout if you have jump) |
| 18:43.19 | joshh | yep, the bizdef folks have been tryign to do a lot of carrier integrations |
| 18:43.33 | joshh | tmo was one of the first |
| 18:44.00 | jlp_vnc | I don't know that I'd pay for premium if t-mobile didn't, but I do like some of the features. |
| 18:45.14 | joshh | im not even sure what's premium and what isn't these days |
| 18:45.31 | joshh | i do like the signal flare feature, but most of those things aren't directly security related |
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| 18:47.08 | joshh | the safe browsing is also handy, and has helped me a time or two |
| 18:47.31 | jlp_vnc | looks like premium features are theft alerts, safe browsing, and privacy advisor (whatever that is) |
| 18:47.54 | joshh | its something that warns you if you're on a wifi network with no or weak security, old versions of apps, etc |
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| 18:49.37 | joshh | we basically use the free and premium consumer side to get copies of sideloaded apps into our system, in addition to crawling everything from google play and other stores. then we do dynamic and static analysis on everything, get a huge trove of data on pretty much everything about the state of mobile malware, and license it to other security vendors and government agencies |
| 18:50.31 | joshh | and we also have services to manage all mobile devices for enterprises and military branches |
| 18:51.01 | joshh | so if you sideload an app outside of google play, customers that have it will upload chunks of it to us, so we can scan and know about those as well, which i don't think other products do |
| 18:52.04 | joshh | we can tell that x and y and z malware apps all have similaries that make it likely they were coded by the same group in russia, etc |
| 18:52.37 | joshh | then anythign else that seems like that can get extra scrutiny and analysis |
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| 18:56.56 | Oberon4278 | joshh: What's the best way to keep my Android device malware-free? |
| 18:57.05 | Oberon4278 | Or, perhaps more importantly, what's the best way to get it infected? |
| 18:57.32 | joshh | sideload gambling apps probably |
| 18:59.01 | joshh | plenty of legit-seeming stuff in the market has been found to be bad though |
| 19:00.31 | Oberon4278 | What's sideloading? |
| 19:01.07 | joshh | installing something onto a root phone from outside official channels |
| 19:01.11 | joshh | rooted rather |
| 19:01.11 | Oberon4278 | ok |
| 19:01.22 | Oberon4278 | so if I use Google Play to install stuff I should be fine 90% of the time? |
| 19:01.36 | joshh | probably |
| 19:04.27 | joshh | think of it like installing stuff on a windows box |
| 19:04.36 | joshh | 90% of it is fine, but some stuff does things you may not want |
| 19:05.03 | joshh | lots of mobile apps aren't outright malware per se, but do certain unsavory things with those permissions they don't really need |
| 19:05.25 | joshh | which our app also warns you about, at least hte privacy advisor |
| 19:07.12 | joshh | hunts for food |
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| 19:48.29 | fugue88 | You don't have to root an Android device to side-load. |
| 20:22.02 | jlp_vnc | you can use an app called "app ops" that allows you to restrict privs that apps have asked for. for example, I'm looking at plume in app ops, and it says that it has the following privs enabled: location, read clipboard, vibrate, ring volume, post notification, keep awake. it also allows me to revoke any of those privs from the app. |
| 20:23.23 | jlp_vnc | (you have to be rooted and have xposed installed for this to work) |
| 21:07.08 | tensai | google released app ops and then quickly turned it off. it was a sad day. |
| 21:17.19 | jlp_vnc | it's apparently still in there... the xposed module just turns it back on again. |
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| 21:20.13 | jlp_vnc | hmmm, micro$oft says: You should never run more than one antivirus program at the same time. The two programs could slow down your computer, and they might even identify each other as a virus, |
| 21:20.27 | jlp_vnc | so if you want to make a virus, just call it an anti-virus program and sell it to people! |
| 21:21.22 | jlp_vnc | you not only get your virus widely deployed, but people pay you for the privilege. |
| 21:27.43 | tensai | worked for mcafee |
| 21:27.54 | tensai | ~rimshot |
| 21:27.54 | infobot | badum-TISH! |
| 21:28.00 | jlp_vnc | :-) |
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| 22:09.34 | levi | A significant amount of malware seems to be distributed via "You have a virus! Click here to remove!" warning pop-up ads. |
| 22:09.56 | joshh | we detected that your registry needs cleaning! |
| 22:10.05 | youtah | Woot! |
| 22:10.30 | Oberon4278 | Oh, the irony. |
| 22:10.41 | Oberon4278 | "Just download and install this program and it'll clean that virus right up!" |
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| 22:51.21 | jlp_vnc | make sure you disable your other anti-virus software, because it will probably think *our* program is a virus. |
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