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| 00:46.41 | infobot | Words come later. It is the scent that first speaks of love. |
| 00:46.51 | jlp_znc | truer words were never spoken |
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| 12:01.40 | eightyeight | https://pthree.org/2014/08/26/the-outrages-fares-of-the-utah-transit-authority/ |
| 12:35.10 | eightyeight | dammit. spelling error |
| 12:35.18 | eightyeight | in the link nonetheless |
| 12:37.02 | eightyeight | short link: https://pthree.org/?p=3840 |
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| 14:06.36 | levi | Yeah, UTA fares are stupid. |
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| 14:33.28 | jsmith | levi: s/fares are/is/ |
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| 15:07.24 | jxqz | concurrence |
| 15:07.32 | jxqz | lazy monopoly |
| 15:08.01 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 15:08.01 | infobot | Pedro offers you his protection. |
| 15:19.57 | levi | http://sportsvideo.org/main/blog/2014/06/espns-dc2-scales-avb-large/ |
| 15:23.35 | levi | There's some serious network infrastructure for you. |
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| 16:19.30 | eightyeight | http://utahsright.com/salaries.php?city=uta_salaries |
| 16:19.47 | eightyeight | a possible solution to reducing UTA fares: cutting executive salaries? maybe? |
| 16:23.11 | Jayce | great place to start |
| 16:23.27 | Jayce | maybe get rid of some of their own police force as well |
| 16:28.05 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 16:30.00 | eightyeight | http://www.costaustin.org/jskaggs/?p=85 |
| 16:35.44 | youtah | I've heard that the top problems their police force encounters, include: Groping, Sex on the train, and Homeless dudes hanging out. |
| 16:36.19 | tvc123 | seems odd that they would need their own police force ... |
| 16:36.36 | goozbach | most transit systems do from what I understand |
| 16:36.41 | goozbach | MARTA did |
| 16:36.45 | youtah | it's because it crosses multiple jurisdictions |
| 16:37.20 | youtah | Oh, and you guys.... last night, tvc123 could barely eat two small slices of pizza |
| 16:37.36 | tvc123 | youtah: lol |
| 16:38.30 | tvc123 | after dinner and eating those gut bombs I had a hard time sleeping :) |
| 16:38.37 | youtah | ROFL |
| 16:38.40 | fadein | I'm trying to encourage my company to provide Red Hat certification/training for some of our technical employees; are any of you folks RH certified? how do you go about it, and is it worthwhile? |
| 16:38.43 | youtah | I had heart burn until 2am |
| 16:38.54 | goozbach | fadein: yes! worth it |
| 16:39.03 | goozbach | I did it as part of my employment |
| 16:39.13 | tvc123 | fadein: one of the few certs that actually means anything |
| 16:39.19 | fadein | goozbach: did you do it here in Utah? |
| 16:40.27 | tvc123 | youtah: I would feel bad for your heart burn if you haden't induced mine ;) |
| 16:40.37 | youtah | I think fozzmoo is RH Certified |
| 16:40.44 | eightyeight | youtah: sex on the train? i'm a frequent rider of trax and frontrunner, on and off hours |
| 16:40.55 | youtah | eightyeight, or attempted.... |
| 16:40.59 | eightyeight | doubt it |
| 16:41.03 | basepi | eightyeight: great article and summary. UTA has always felt expensive to me, but I never did any research to confirm that. |
| 16:41.16 | eightyeight | the top problem their police enforce is not paying for the ride |
| 16:41.30 | youtah | yeah. So the guy I was talking to, was working for security for City Creek Center, and had just switched from working for the transit authority |
| 16:41.32 | eightyeight | the second top problem they enforce is riding bikes on station platforms |
| 16:41.46 | fozzmoo | I am RHCE for RHEL 5. I didn't bother taking the classes as I had taught a lot of them or the equivalent thereof. I just paid the ~$1000 and took the test. |
| 16:41.49 | Jayce | youtah: but utah cops actually are always cross jurisdiction AFAIK |
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| 16:42.05 | youtah | yeah, those were excluded eightyeight .... those are the norms. We're talking like, things you wouldn't think og |
| 16:42.07 | youtah | of |
| 16:42.08 | Jayce | but why do UTA cops need nice chargers/etc |
| 16:42.14 | fozzmoo | UTA is a joke, btw. |
| 16:42.26 | fozzmoo | But it's our joke. |
| 16:42.31 | youtah | Yeah |
| 16:42.41 | youtah | lol |
| 16:42.50 | eightyeight | youtah: oh, so you're talking the top two strangest things they've experienced |
| 16:42.54 | fozzmoo | The best thing that could happen would be privatization. The hard part would be finding a private venture that would be intrested. |
| 16:42.54 | eightyeight | not things they deal with day to day |
| 16:43.09 | eightyeight | UTA deaths happen more often than groping or attempted sex |
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| 16:43.23 | youtah | that you are aware of eightyeight |
| 16:43.30 | youtah | I wonder if they publish the stats |
| 16:43.40 | Jayce | ok, has anybody ever had a problem with certain terminals, when connecting to a remote box, copy/paste (highlight buffer, AND keyboard commands) won't work? as if it's disabled? |
| 16:44.01 | youtah | Jayce, power the remote box on first |
| 16:44.29 | eightyeight | youtah: well, i am on rail fairly frequently. i guess i see what i see, but i find sex attacks and groping as a 'frequent occurance' very hard to believe |
| 16:45.02 | youtah | understandable. You're also not a woman with a nice rack. ;) |
| 16:45.04 | fozzmoo | The the record, I don't have the problems Jayce is having with the same remote hosts. I think it's a Mac thing... or a terminal app thing. But it's still really weird. |
| 16:45.27 | youtah | atleast that I know of eightyeight |
| 16:45.41 | Jayce | fozzmoo: it's my linux box |
| 16:45.42 | youtah | I'm just going by the guys word |
| 16:46.09 | Jayce | and other konsole tabs do it just fine.. heck same tab works when not connected to the hosts in question |
| 16:46.35 | youtah | have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 16:46.41 | youtah | ~moss |
| 16:46.41 | infobot | (Well that's easy to remember. 0118 999 88199 9119 725! 3!|I came here to drink milk and kick ass. And I've just finished my milk.|Hello, IT... Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot?|Did you notice how she didn't even get excited when she saw this original ZX81?|Did you see that ludicrous display last night?|I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. |
| 16:47.07 | programmerq | looks like I broke it when I fed it my very long expression that was too big for IRC :( |
| 16:47.09 | tvc123 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Transit_Authority_Police_Department |
| 16:47.17 | eightyeight | basepi: thx |
| 16:47.46 | basepi | nods |
| 16:47.48 | programmerq | I wonder if we can feed it some perl expression that hits an external service? |
| 16:48.19 | davido_ | https://twitter.com/misterbrilliant/status/483224360418041856 |
| 16:48.31 | basepi | eightyeight: i was especially surprised at how much cheaper driving was. I guess I had in my brain that mass transit *must* be cheaper for a single person commuting alone... |
| 16:48.55 | programmerq | I have a not-so-efficient car, and it's still cheaper to drive. |
| 16:48.56 | basepi | Though the one thing you left out is car expenses above and beyond gas. |
| 16:49.20 | basepi | Driving reimbursement is often greater than the cost of gas, to cover maintenance costs |
| 16:49.25 | davido_ | ^^^ One of the best game reviews I've ever read. |
| 16:49.26 | davido_ | lol |
| 16:49.27 | programmerq | part of that though is there are very few busses that come out to where I live, so I'd have to drive halfway there to get to a station. |
| 16:49.33 | basepi | ^ |
| 16:50.35 | eightyeight | basepi: i did mention that i am paying an additional $700 per year for UTA frontrunner "premium" service |
| 16:50.56 | basepi | Right, but you have to to commute non-trax |
| 16:50.57 | basepi | Right? |
| 16:51.14 | eightyeight | i haven't totalled my oil changes, tire rotations, etc. i'd be curious to see how close to that anual $700 mark they are |
| 16:51.20 | jlp_znc | ~moss |
| 16:51.21 | infobot | Did you see that ludicrous display last night? |
| 16:51.37 | eightyeight | basepi: after i get off the trax station, i walk to the office. it's about 2 blocks. no big deal. |
| 16:51.40 | basepi | eightyeight: well in addition you have to average the initial cost of the car over how many miles you drive it |
| 16:51.41 | jlp_znc | programmerq: I put it back to what I had before |
| 16:52.00 | eightyeight | and of course, i commute to/from the frontrunner station |
| 16:52.16 | eightyeight | although, i have debated riding my bike. it's only 4 miles one way, and flat |
| 16:52.18 | basepi | but still. for mass transit to be successful it has to have significant advantages, either in time or cost, to differentiate it from driving |
| 16:52.24 | eightyeight | but, on a very busy road, with no bike lane |
| 16:52.30 | eightyeight | basepi: exactly |
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| 16:52.49 | eightyeight | UTA is not faster in the commute, nor cheaper. so, it's a hard sell, imo |
| 16:52.49 | basepi | and in my experience, it almost always takes longer on trax, and you just showed how much more expensive it is |
| 16:52.55 | basepi | er, on UTA, not just trax |
| 16:52.59 | basepi | yep |
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| 16:53.25 | basepi | At that point the only reason to do it is the green factor |
| 16:53.34 | basepi | And that's just not a big enough motivation for most people. |
| 16:53.44 | youtah | tvc123, I am sad, no cool stories or stats in the wikipedia article |
| 16:53.47 | RyanE | you can get the same 'green' feel with a hybrid these days. |
| 16:53.54 | basepi | RyanE: true enough |
| 16:54.02 | eightyeight | right. and, if it's reimbursed by someone else (edu, employer, etc), i don't have to put the mileage on my car, and i have other care frees |
| 16:54.13 | youtah | especially when you dump the batteries from the hybrids into the landfill |
| 16:54.32 | basepi | eightyeight: I also bet you're right about the percentage of people who don't pay directly for their fare. Employer/student. |
| 16:54.50 | youtah | I dont pay, since I am still an student |
| 16:54.51 | youtah | :) |
| 16:54.57 | youtah | Buwa ha ha ha ha ha ha! |
| 16:54.57 | basepi | Yep. I miss my student pass |
| 16:55.03 | jlp_znc | "student" |
| 16:55.08 | youtah | ^ |
| 16:55.33 | youtah | I have FOUR more classes and then I am all done |
| 16:55.42 | basepi | nice |
| 16:55.44 | jlp_znc | so, what, two more years as a student? :-) |
| 16:55.46 | youtah | Two this semester. Two next. and then.... FREEDOM! |
| 16:55.58 | youtah | lol, almost jlp_znc |
| 16:56.16 | youtah | well, although I guess I still have some student loans |
| 16:56.22 | fungus | basepi, eightyeight's calculations included the premium FrontRunner fares. If you don't live that far and can take regular transit, the numbers "may" work out better. |
| 16:56.24 | eightyeight | youtah: hahaha. batteries in landfills. |
| 16:56.31 | jlp_znc | my daughter is taking three classes this semester... statistics, physiology, and some fat booked humanities class |
| 16:56.35 | youtah | I went to school so I can work until the day I die |
| 16:57.00 | eightyeight | fungus: indeed. i only worked out optimization from my physical location. the standard non-premium monthly pass is $85/mo, iirc |
| 16:57.10 | basepi | fungus: possible. but I know when our office moves down to Lehi I would be taking FrontRunner, so that's what's most applicable to me |
| 16:57.18 | jlp_znc | I take transit every day... mainly because it's free (work gives me a caltrain pass and runs a shuttle from the station to the office) |
| 16:57.21 | eightyeight | youtah: if you know where some batteries are, let me know, so i can cash in on that please |
| 16:57.29 | jlp_znc | oh, yeah, and because I don't have a car out here. |
| 16:58.02 | fungus | I did the calculations for my own commute, and transit is barely cheaper than driving. |
| 16:58.05 | jlp_znc | it takes me about an hour to get to work, and it would probably take me at least that to drive. I'm a lot less stressed when I don't have to drive in the crazy traffic. |
| 16:58.27 | jlp_znc | of course, outside of rush hour I could drive it in 15 minutes |
| 16:58.36 | fungus | But it adds 2 transfers and takes 4x longer to get there. So I drive. |
| 16:58.48 | jlp_znc | that's why I hated transit when I was in Utah. |
| 16:59.17 | jlp_znc | I would have had to walk a mile to the station (20 minutes), take the train two stops, then wait ten minutes for a bus and sit on it for an hour to get to work. |
| 16:59.21 | fozzmoo | Jayce: You're Linux box?! |
| 16:59.25 | fozzmoo | flips a table over |
| 16:59.27 | jlp_znc | total time investment about 2 hours. I could drive it in 10 minutes. |
| 16:59.34 | fozzmoo | s/You're/Your/ |
| 16:59.37 | eightyeight | (â¯Â°â¡Â°ï¼â¯ï¸µ â»ââ» |
| 17:00.40 | fozzmoo | It's pretty sad, really. If UTA had not gotten all dreamy about trains back in the early 90s, we wouldn't have one of the most expensive fare systems in the country now. |
| 17:01.02 | youtah | I still thought it was funny when I plugged in my home in Sandy, and my work in Cottonwood heights, and the fastest route was 2.5 hours ONE WAY |
| 17:01.23 | jlp_znc | UTA should have gone with jitneys |
| 17:01.25 | youtah | that was also like, 4+ years ago |
| 17:01.36 | jlp_znc | youtah, you should check it again... I'll bet it's the same |
| 17:01.40 | fozzmoo | Handcarts would have been a nice option with a local flair. |
| 17:01.51 | youtah | Entering it again |
| 17:01.52 | eightyeight | i don't mind rail, actually. i really like the greater distances, and less frequent stops over buses |
| 17:02.04 | jlp_znc | don't you know that you shouldn't work anywhere but downtown SLC if you want to ride UTA? |
| 17:02.11 | eightyeight | and many rail systems all over the countries, with much larger infrastructures, are cheaper |
| 17:02.12 | Tod-Work | eightyeight, ditto |
| 17:02.23 | Jayce | fozzmoo: yes, my linux box |
| 17:02.27 | Tod-Work | freeways are better commutes when they have less on/off ramps too |
| 17:02.51 | eightyeight | i'd be willing to bet that the uta can charge much less for their fare, without compromising their rail rollout, or future streetcar plans |
| 17:03.51 | youtah | Trip Planner just broke |
| 17:04.57 | fozzmoo | Google Maps does a really decent job. |
| 17:05.10 | fozzmoo | We've been using that to figure things out for my daughter who just started at SLCC Redwood Campus. |
| 17:05.42 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: Yeah, they're already giving away passes for free to select groups. Heck, taxpayers should foot ALL the bill, right? |
| 17:05.45 | jlp_znc | I've observed an annoyance with google maps, though |
| 17:05.53 | fungus | UTA has issues, but isn't all bad. It really depends on where you need to go. In some situations it can be amazing. And the reduced stress factors that jlp_znc mentioned are very important. |
| 17:06.01 | Tod-Work | Does anyone have any deep thoughts on Authorization setups in programming? |
| 17:06.11 | Tod-Work | like, theory or practice, I guess |
| 17:06.11 | jlp_znc | say you have the "transit" layer turned on. if you zoom in close enough to see the bus stops, the train (and light rail) stops disappear |
| 17:06.17 | basepi | fungus: True. But chances are, you are not one of those ideal routes. |
| 17:06.46 | fozzmoo | http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/worst-both-rise-high-cost-low-capacity-rail-transit |
| 17:06.54 | fungus | 3 out of my last 5 jobs included better transit options than driving. |
| 17:06.55 | jlp_znc | zoom out a notch to see the train stops and poof, no bus stops |
| 17:07.17 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: tax payers are already fotting 70% of the UTA bill. so, why is it so high? why is the UTA being run like a private entity, and not a public one? |
| 17:07.38 | jlp_znc | eightyeight: well, that way the UTA administrators can rake more money off the top |
| 17:07.43 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: public transit fares, imo, should be subsidized by taxes, however. i do agree with that |
| 17:07.45 | fozzmoo | jlp_znc: Bingo. |
| 17:07.57 | eightyeight | public transit should be free fare for those who wish to ride |
| 17:08.29 | jlp_znc | http://www.utahsright.com/salaries.php?city=uta_salaries |
| 17:08.38 | youtah | 128 Minutes with 3 transfers. |
| 17:08.45 | Tod-Work | jlp_znc, put in a source and destination and pick transit for the routing |
| 17:08.56 | fozzmoo | Logan City declined to partner with UTA back in the early to mid 90s and started up their own transit district, funded by a quarter percent sales tax increase inside Logan. |
| 17:09.15 | fozzmoo | Initially, they were going to offer a free fare for 3-4 months to attract riders and then start collecting fares. |
| 17:09.18 | Tod-Work | pontificates on authorization elsewhere then |
| 17:09.34 | jlp_znc | Tod-Work: yeah, that generally works, but if I'm looking for a business that is close to a bus or train stop (I don't necessarily know what location I want... just the one closest to the train, for example), it helps to be able to visualize all of the stops. |
| 17:09.38 | youtah | So to get from my old home in 84093 to my old job in 84121, it's 128 Minutes with 3 transfers |
| 17:09.39 | fozzmoo | But the private company they contracted with to operate the system, Dave Transportation out of COlorado, ran things so efficiently, they kept the fare free. |
| 17:09.54 | fozzmoo | So, yes, public transit can be free... |
| 17:09.59 | fozzmoo | but only if the organization is run well. |
| 17:10.07 | fozzmoo | UTA is NOT a good example of that. |
| 17:10.14 | youtah | A total of 6.2 miles |
| 17:10.15 | jlp_znc | fozzmoo: I've ridden logan's busses... they are great |
| 17:10.21 | jlp_znc | and they run on time |
| 17:10.33 | youtah | 128 MINUTES FOR 6.2 MILES! |
| 17:10.49 | jlp_znc | youtah: you are not telling us anything we didn't already know |
| 17:10.53 | fozzmoo | When Logan decided to expand their bus service to outlying areas of Cache Valley, they had to charge fares for those routes, but routes inside the city limits are still free. |
| 17:11.00 | youtah | melts |
| 17:11.02 | jlp_znc | you could walk it that quickly |
| 17:11.16 | youtah | or faster |
| 17:11.26 | tvc123 | my commute would be 1h 50 mins .... or a 20 min drive |
| 17:11.37 | eightyeight | UTA is indeed _not_ an efficient organization. |
| 17:11.53 | jlp_znc | and yet they don't understand why more people don't take the bus |
| 17:12.04 | youtah | ^ |
| 17:12.06 | jlp_znc | shakes head |
| 17:12.54 | fozzmoo | If I wanted to take public transit from my house in Herriman to Draper... |
| 17:13.00 | fozzmoo | Oh boy, what an adventure that would be. |
| 17:13.11 | eightyeight | i personally cannot stand the UTA, and my blog post clearly outlines why |
| 17:13.32 | eightyeight | it's not efficient, it's not well maintained, it's not cheap, it's not fast, it's not safe |
| 17:14.10 | fozzmoo | I'd have to take a bus to the Daybreak TRAX station. Ride the train to the Murray Central station. Take frontrunner or TRAX to Draper. 90 minutes, total. |
| 17:14.13 | fozzmoo | I drive it in 12. |
| 17:14.16 | eightyeight | if the UU decides to no longer provide me with a UTA pass, i won't be paying to ride. i'll commute in my car, and go back to my employer paying for my garage access |
| 17:14.41 | jlp_znc | fozzmoo: and how much would it cost each way? |
| 17:14.57 | fozzmoo | I think the fares would be like $3.50 each way. |
| 17:14.59 | jlp_znc | doesn't know what they charge for frontrunner |
| 17:15.05 | fozzmoo | Not sure. |
| 17:15.24 | eightyeight | uta has a "fare matrix |
| 17:15.26 | eightyeight | one sec |
| 17:15.28 | jlp_znc | all of the busses here in the bay area seem to be about $2.00 per ride, with a daily maximum of $6 or $8 I think. |
| 17:15.39 | jlp_znc | google maps should be able to show you the fare. |
| 17:15.42 | eightyeight | http://www.rideuta.com/uploads/FrontRunnerFareMatrixApril2013.pdf |
| 17:15.52 | fozzmoo | If I was running UTA, I'd prioritize buses over trains because they're so much cheaper to operate and a lot more flexible to route. |
| 17:15.54 | eightyeight | round trip TRAX is $5 all day |
| 17:16.47 | eightyeight | well, round trip means to rides. just no expiration on when the two rides are completed |
| 17:16.57 | eightyeight | s/to rides/two rides/ |
| 17:17.35 | fozzmoo | We got my daughter a semester pass. It's good until the first or second week of January. That ran $320. |
| 17:17.39 | jlp_znc | fozzmoo: that was the argument back in the 50s when they ripped out all of the streetcars in favor of busses |
| 17:18.03 | fozzmoo | Yup. Still holds true. |
| 17:18.06 | jlp_znc | now they are putting them all back, it seems. |
| 17:18.09 | eightyeight | buses are flexible. they are also the first to suffer cuts |
| 17:18.14 | fozzmoo | nobody knows why. |
| 17:18.22 | jlp_znc | because trains are cool |
| 17:18.24 | eightyeight | and they have excessive schedule and route changes |
| 17:18.26 | fozzmoo | Exactly. |
| 17:18.34 | jlp_znc | they have bells on them |
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| 17:18.38 | jlp_znc | and big horns |
| 17:18.42 | jlp_znc | wheee! |
| 17:18.45 | eightyeight | a commute that may have taken you 15 minutes may now take 25 due to a route change |
| 17:18.55 | eightyeight | that happened to me twice in ogden, just trying to get to WSU |
| 17:19.15 | eightyeight | i had to make major changes to my morning habits to accomodate the bus |
| 17:19.36 | RyanE | Looks like my 20-25 minute commute from Highland to Draper goes to approx. 2 hours. |
| 17:20.15 | RyanE | According to Google, biking it is only 1h, 33m. :) |
| 17:20.34 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: you would be better off driving to the draper frontrunner station directly, rather than taking trax to murray |
| 17:20.40 | eightyeight | that would greatly reduce your commute time |
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| 17:21.11 | eightyeight | well, i don't know exactly where you live |
| 17:21.41 | RyanE | Of course, if he's only going to Draper, doesn't make much sense to drive 80% of the way there, then catch a bus. |
| 17:21.48 | eightyeight | but looking at a map, it seems you could take the 71 to galena park dr |
| 17:23.15 | eightyeight | fair enough. my commute is 31 miles one way. i don't know the distance of his commute, nor where in draper he works |
| 17:23.57 | RyanE | true, but Draper isn't large enough (I'd guess) to make the difference between the bus pickup and anywhere else worth it. |
| 17:24.30 | eightyeight | i'm not familiar with that side of the area, but it seems that using rail to go from herriman to draper wouldn't be a wise choice |
| 17:24.45 | eightyeight | the two cities border each other, after all |
| 17:25.53 | eightyeight | maybe 10 miles max from one end of the city to the other? |
| 17:26.14 | eightyeight | shrugs |
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| 18:05.49 | jxqz | did I miss the UTA conversation? |
| 18:13.45 | Tod-Work | yes |
| 18:14.22 | Tod-Work | thus, as IRC law dictates, you will forever be disallowed from speaking of it |
| 18:15.00 | Tod-Work | You will know only logs, remnants of the past |
| 18:18.58 | jlp_znc | "IRC law" |
| 18:19.00 | jlp_znc | snorts |
| 18:19.18 | Tod-Work | The Chatless Chat |
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| 18:45.58 | jxqz | 'UTA conversation' |
| 18:46.07 | jxqz | <response> |
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| 19:19.29 | jxqz | trains also have advantages |
| 19:20.12 | jxqz | I think you should structure your transit system to try to mutually maximize the advantages all modes |
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| 19:41.10 | eightyeight | for you centos users, what provides nslcd(8)? |
| 19:41.16 | eightyeight | my searching is failing |
| 19:41.24 | eightyeight | centos 5 specifically |
| 19:41.26 | eightyeight | not centos 6 or 7 |
| 19:54.16 | jsmith | eightyeight: rpm -qf `which nslcd` |
| 19:54.35 | eightyeight | nslcd isn't installed. i need a package to install |
| 19:54.52 | eightyeight | it's not in the default centos repos, not finding it in epel either |
| 19:54.53 | jsmith | eightyeight: Ah, gotcha |
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| 19:55.01 | jsmith | eightyeight: I've never heard of it :-( |
| 19:55.06 | eightyeight | and which(1) is teh suck |
| 19:55.33 | basepi | i'm seeing references to nscd/nslcd in my searches. not sure what the relationship between the two is. |
| 19:55.56 | basepi | All I know is dealing with cent5/epel5 is generally terrible. |
| 19:56.03 | jsmith | eightyeight: Any reason you're not just using sssd instead? |
| 19:57.07 | fozzmoo | 'yum provides "*bin/nslcd"' on my CentOS 5 box doesn't have anything to say about it. |
| 19:57.15 | fozzmoo | No Matches found |
| 19:58.49 | fozzmoo | basepi: I'd say the same thing about dealing with Debian/Ubuntu, but that's only because I'm not familiar with it. |
| 19:59.26 | eightyeight | basepi: nscd is the name service caching daemon. IE: it caches domain queries |
| 20:00.02 | basepi | cent is fine as a platform, just dealing with out of date packages on epel5 is painful |
| 20:00.04 | eightyeight | nslcd is the daemon that allows for using the nameserviceswitch.conf and pam to do ldap lookups |
| 20:00.10 | basepi | and thanks, eightyeight |
| 20:00.29 | eightyeight | jsmith: yeah. i looked at it briefly. i guess that's an option. i was hoping to have a unified platform |
| 20:01.53 | eightyeight | IE: i already have the nslcd.conf(5) files in place for centos 6, 7, debian, and ubuntu |
| 20:02.59 | jsmith | eightyeight: sssd is definitely more "forward looking" |
| 20:03.10 | jsmith | eightyeight: But I can understand your wanting to be consistent across platforms |
| 20:08.34 | jxqz | jsmith: what if it's 'upward looking'? |
| 20:09.27 | jxqz | 'leftward looking' |
| 20:09.36 | jxqz | egocentric coordinates |
| 20:10.52 | eightyeight | copyleft looking |
| 20:11.39 | jsmith | jxqz: Better than backward looking?!? |
| 20:13.23 | jxqz | https://www.digitalocean.com/?refcode=31c112b82531 # 2 months free if you sign up with this referral link |
| 20:13.45 | eightyeight | digital ocean, and not xmission? |
| 20:13.51 | jsmith | and not Bluehost? |
| 20:13.51 | jxqz | I'm sure at least half the people here have a digital ocean account anyway |
| 20:14.01 | jxqz | different games |
| 20:14.41 | eightyeight | http://xmission.com/web_hosting |
| 20:15.02 | eightyeight | http://xmission.com/cloud_hosting |
| 20:15.21 | jxqz | 2 months free for basic $5/month host |
| 20:29.24 | Jayce | wait, people *pay* for hosting?! |
| 20:31.37 | jsmith | Jayce: Only if it's decent :-p |
| 20:31.47 | jxqz | Jayce: do you *pay* for food? |
| 20:31.57 | jxqz | do you *pay* for sunlight? |
| 20:32.01 | jxqz | I rest my case |
| 20:32.26 | jxqz | isn't sure where he's going with this, but is sure there will be humor in the end somehow |
| 20:32.37 | Jayce | I'm sure it's going to be of our next 'rights' |
| 20:32.54 | tvc123 | along with "free" bus service right? |
| 20:36.21 | eightyeight | the only thing that is free, is the air you breath and the sunlight you bake in |
| 20:36.32 | eightyeight | s/thing that is/things that are/ |
| 20:37.58 | jxqz | what is the service name for gdm? |
| 20:38.17 | jxqz | it's not /etc/init.d/gdm, at least not on CentOS 5.10 |
| 21:02.55 | fugue88 | jxqz: Perhaps "xdm" |
| 21:14.54 | eightyeight | jxqz: the daemon is /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 21:16.28 | programmerq | jxqz: yeah, I remember centos using one common service, and switching which one it actually used in some config file. |
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