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| 16:30.00 | youtah | so jima ... why do you prefer cables that are run and terminated in a wall to be crossovers? |
| 16:30.17 | youtah | Wouldn't one want them to all be patch (straight) cables? |
| 16:33.11 | RyanE | all in-wall runs should be terminated straight through (both ends wired identically). |
| 16:33.29 | jxqz | ~napoleon youtah |
| 16:33.29 | infobot | ACTION makes youtah feed Tina |
| 16:34.47 | jima | i forget the finer details, but i seem to recall that when wiring jack-to-jack (female-to-female), you have to wire one end t568a in order for two straight-through cables used at either end to result in a straight-through cable, end-to-end. |
| 16:34.57 | RyanE | and 'straight through' means both ends wired *either* 568a or 568b... |
| 16:34.58 | RyanE | nope. |
| 16:35.12 | RyanE | a straight through cable is wired the same on both ends. |
| 16:35.29 | RyanE | orange pair to orange pair, green pair to green pair. |
| 16:35.55 | jima | hell, maybe it was jack-to-plug...it's been a while. |
| 16:36.58 | jima | i know i ran into that problem with fiber optics, and had to pull an lc connector apart to flip the leads ;-) |
| 16:37.52 | jima | unlike at my last job, i don't have a cabling lab near my desk :-P |
| 16:38.22 | jxqz | where do you wire the mauve cables? |
| 16:38.31 | jima | jxqz: i would have to ask my wife. |
| 16:38.33 | RyanE | wherever you want! |
| 16:38.37 | RyanE | they're fabulous! |
| 16:38.45 | jxqz | so that's a free parameter? |
| 16:38.58 | jima | she's the one who knows 25-, 50-, and 100-pair cable patterns. |
| 16:39.20 | jima | i give up after 4-pair |
| 16:39.38 | RyanE | A little scary that there are people who can remember those patterns. |
| 16:39.41 | jxqz | screen-256color |
| 16:39.54 | jima | from my understanding, it's somewhat intuitive after you know the baseline |
| 16:40.14 | jima | that's more of a telco thing than networking though |
| 16:42.31 | jima | i need to allocate some ipv6 space...whee. |
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| 16:50.32 | youtah | So I was just in a friends house, and *everything* was terminated using cross over in the walls |
| 16:50.44 | youtah | it was *really* obnoxious |
| 16:51.05 | jima | honestly, i don't remember well enough to say for sure |
| 16:51.18 | youtah | So the Vivant guys |
| 16:51.19 | jima | i just have this vague memory of running into problems once upon a time |
| 16:51.25 | youtah | Plugged their modem in upstairs |
| 16:51.44 | youtah | and then connected the wires downstairs to then re-run it back upstairs |
| 16:51.49 | youtah | into a different room |
| 16:51.58 | jlp_znc | ugh |
| 16:52.03 | youtah | and then used another cross over cable to connect their TV to the outlet |
| 16:52.39 | youtah | I told them he needs to have Vivint come back (since they are legally bonded and insured) to "fix" it |
| 16:52.56 | youtah | s/needs/need/ |
| 16:53.00 | jima | the only rationale i have for doing in-wall stuff crossover is to support the use of straight-through cables *everywhere*. |
| 16:53.02 | jlp_znc | they probably won't touch existing premise wire |
| 16:53.29 | jima | i can't even stand rollover cables...i wire my serial adapters to use straight-through. |
| 16:53.40 | youtah | yeah |
| 16:54.01 | youtah | I think most hardware (routers, switches, etc) these days all expect straight |
| 16:54.16 | youtah | unless you're plugging machine to machine |
| 16:54.37 | youtah | I hardly use crossover |
| 16:58.05 | youtah | DON |
| 16:58.17 | youtah | DON'T TOUCH THE FUR!!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=713112502069456 (cc: Jayce^ ) |
| 16:59.46 | jima | youtah: well, with switches, auto mdi/x is getting more and more common |
| 16:59.53 | jima | hosts too, but less so i think |
| 17:05.48 | RyanE | I believe Gigabit Ethernet has automatic crossover as part of the spec. |
| 17:47.44 | joshh | it does, but won't work right if a device has the speed or duplex set to non-auto |
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| 19:44.32 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=166088243577084 |
| 19:44.38 | youtah | ^ Water Boy |
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| 20:04.24 | jxqz | how do you permenantly add a systemd service to the current runlevel, or whatever the systemd jockeys call runlevels? |
| 20:08.05 | fungus | systemctl enable <service> |
| 20:16.45 | levi | Yo. |
| 20:19.27 | youtah | Sup. |
| 20:19.41 | tomstokes | Hey levi |
| 20:20.08 | Jayce^ | so, learned about "Random Friday" by Solar Fields today... great coding music |
| 20:20.14 | levi | I just got back from a week-long vacation. Woo. :) |
| 20:20.20 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo: that's the one I was telling you about |
| 20:23.41 | RyanE | levi: anywhere fun? |
| 20:24.06 | levi | Visiting my parents in WA. |
| 20:25.21 | levi | Did the Seattle Duck Tour and a couple of "nature walk" scale hikes on Mt. Rainier. |
| 20:25.44 | Jayce^ | ducks are fun |
| 20:26.35 | RyanE | nice. |
| 20:32.02 | levi | Also a lot of sleeping and relaxing. |
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| 20:44.26 | jxqz | how do you provide stdin for a command in perl? |
| 20:45.07 | jxqz | I guess I could `echo $input | command` |
| 20:49.07 | goozbach | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3138649/programmatically-read-from-stdin-or-input-file-in-perl |
| 20:49.17 | goozbach | while (<>) { |
| 20:49.31 | goozbach | # do stuff with each line |
| 20:49.32 | goozbach | } |
| 20:56.33 | jxqz | I'm not sure if that does what I want or not |
| 20:57.14 | jxqz | actually not |
| 20:57.32 | jxqz | I need to run a command within a perl script; not the perl script is the command |
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| 21:03.54 | jlp_znc | jxqz: you can use open(FH, "| some_program and args") |
| 21:03.59 | fungus | jxqz, open HANDLE "|command"; |
| 21:04.01 | jlp_znc | then just print FH "your input" |
| 21:04.54 | jlp_znc | it gets messy if you need to both read from and write to the subprocess, and I usually break out the Expect module when I need to do that |
| 21:05.25 | fungus | seconds that opinion |
| 21:06.27 | jlp_znc | if your command name and/or arguments are not sanitized (i.e. they are "tainted"), you can do open(FH, '|-', 'some_program', @args) |
| 21:14.54 | jxqz | I just need to capture the return status |
| 21:14.59 | jxqz | so I'm going with `` |
| 21:15.14 | jxqz | to your consternation |
| 21:15.17 | jxqz | haha |
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| 23:48.57 | jxqz | what does this cryptic expression mean which issues from the perl interpreter: 'Args must match #! line at /opt/rackware/www/cgi-bin/test/authenticate1.pl line 1.' |
| 23:49.00 | jxqz | ? |