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| 00:36.28 | infobot | I am a man, he's a man, we're men! |
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| 04:04.30 | TodPunk | ~moss |
| 04:04.30 | infobot | I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style. |
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| 10:35.55 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference sometime 2014! openwest.org | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
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| 15:20.08 | jxqz | ~napoleon |
| 15:20.08 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo-staff. |
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| 15:56.25 | youtah | So. |
| 15:56.27 | youtah | Sew. |
| 15:56.38 | youtah | I watched Season 4 Episode 8 last night of Game of Thrones |
| 15:56.41 | youtah | OH MY |
| 15:56.49 | youtah | (battle between the mountain and the viper) |
| 15:57.04 | youtah | Any GoT fans in here? If I remember correctly, there were a few |
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| 15:59.34 | youtah | Recommendations for a good linux based file storage visualizer? |
| 15:59.45 | youtah | specifically disk usage |
| 16:00.33 | youtah | Hmmm, this kdirstat looks interesting |
| 16:01.13 | fungus | Baobab |
| 16:01.49 | youtah | Oh, that looks good too |
| 16:04.48 | fungus | It's installed by default in a few distros |
| 16:05.15 | fungus | Goes by the name "Disk Usage Analyzer" in GUIs |
| 16:07.17 | tvc123 | youtah: df -h ;) |
| 16:12.55 | jxqz | df -ah |
| 16:15.12 | stderr- | youtah: big fan of GoT/ASOIAF |
| 16:18.49 | youtah | stderr-, I started whistling pop goes the weasel after that episode |
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| 16:21.43 | stderr- | hah |
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| 16:56.01 | shalkie | youtah: du, if my visualizer you mean strings of text. Otherwise I generally suggest baobab as well. |
| 16:56.10 | shalkie | s/my/by/ |
| 16:56.56 | youtah | I do liek du |
| 16:56.59 | youtah | *like |
| 17:05.06 | shalkie | Anyone ever been to Hyderabad? |
| 17:26.39 | jsmith | Nope :-( |
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| 18:03.21 | goozbach | spoiler alert! |
| 18:03.32 | goozbach | just started storm of swords |
| 18:03.35 | goozbach | so hush up |
| 18:09.12 | smcquay | goozbach: which book number is that? |
| 18:09.13 | jxqz | ~spoiler |
| 18:09.13 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, spoiler is HARRY IS VOLDEMORT!!!!1 |
| 18:10.13 | smcquay | ah, nm. I got through half of feast for crows and my kindle died. such sad. |
| 18:11.17 | goozbach | smcquay: book3 |
| 18:12.24 | jxqz | Jayce^ or similar: do you have any experience with Authen::Simple::PAM? |
| 18:14.06 | joshh | goozbach: have you seen the show as well? |
| 18:19.43 | goozbach | joshh: nah, just gonna enjoy the books |
| 18:20.25 | goozbach | it'll tide me over till the next stormlight archive book comes out in a couple of years |
| 18:21.05 | joshh | the books are better, but the show is awesome too |
| 18:21.10 | joshh | but reading first would be wise |
| 18:22.27 | goozbach | don't think I'll ever have HBO |
| 18:22.33 | goozbach | not worth it to me |
| 18:22.42 | goozbach | but I'll enjoy the books |
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| 19:17.18 | Oberon4278 | anyone here familiar with SSL/TLS handshake protocol? |
| 19:25.29 | goozbach | Oberon4278: at a high level, yes |
| 19:29.54 | Oberon4278 | okay |
| 19:31.05 | Oberon4278 | so I'm looking at a Client Hello packet with Wireshark |
| 19:31.15 | Oberon4278 | (This is from a customer's machine.) |
| 19:32.19 | Oberon4278 | Well, let's take a step back - everything in the handshake proceeds normally until they hit the Client Hello packet. That goes through fine, but the response from the server is TLSv1 61 Alert (Level: Fatal, Description: Handshake Failure) |
| 19:32.46 | Oberon4278 | That's the context. |
| 19:33.34 | Oberon4278 | The specific question is that when I look at the list of cipher suites in the Client Hello packet, they are formatted thusly: Cipher Suite: TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA (0x0035) |
| 19:34.40 | Oberon4278 | So I see this list, and I ask the customer for a list of cipher suites from the server machine -- the one that's rejecting the handshake. They are formatted thusly: TLS1-ADH-AES-128-CBC-SHA |
| 19:34.59 | Oberon4278 | Now, the list is long, and I haven't gone through and examined each individual entry to see if there's a corresponding entry in the other list. |
| 19:35.40 | Oberon4278 | But that's not the point! My question (finally!) is this: does the specific formatting (i.e. dashes versus underscores, TLS1 vs TLS) make any difference, or is it merely cosmetic? |
| 19:37.39 | goozbach | that is too deep for my take |
| 19:37.44 | Oberon4278 | ok |
| 19:37.46 | goozbach | I'd have to research it |
| 19:38.11 | Oberon4278 | You'd think Google would be able to answer this (or one of my co-workers) but sadly, neither of these resources have been able to help. |
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| 19:43.22 | jsmith | Oberon4278: One tools I've used in the past to help debug cipher suites is https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/ |
| 19:43.34 | jsmith | Oberon4278: Assuming, of course, that the server is public and reachable by SSL Labs :-) |
| 19:45.52 | Oberon4278 | hmm, maybe it is |
| 19:45.58 | Oberon4278 | I'll give it a shot |
| 19:46.07 | Oberon4278 | thank you! |
| 19:46.53 | jsmith | Oberon4278: Also, it's my understanding that the cipher suites *should* be using underscores and not dashes |
| 19:47.22 | jsmith | Oberon4278: For example, check out the "Cipher Suite" and "Handshake Simulation" sections of https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=bluehost.com |
| 19:48.45 | Oberon4278 | Well, here's what I'm thinking |
| 19:48.55 | Oberon4278 | TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA (0xc013) |
| 19:49.00 | Oberon4278 | that's 0xc013 |
| 19:49.14 | Oberon4278 | I am assuming that this means that bit c013 in that field is set |
| 19:49.30 | Oberon4278 | and that bit being set indicates that the server will accept TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA |
| 19:50.08 | Oberon4278 | so to the server it doesn't matter one bit if we call it TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA or "TLS Ecdhe, RSA Style, with AES 128 bits, bla bla bla." |
| 19:50.22 | Oberon4278 | so long as 0xc013 is set |
| 19:57.41 | jsmith | Oberon4278: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5246#appendix-A.5 |
| 19:57.58 | jsmith | Oberon4278: Also, pages 40-42 of that same RFC |
| 19:58.49 | Oberon4278 | thanks |
| 19:59.34 | Oberon4278 | Huh. Makes me wonder why the other guy's cipher suites have a different format. |
| 20:02.07 | jsmith | Yeah... technically, it looks like it's *just* the hex values that matter, but I think it's pretty standard to use the standard names as well |
| 20:02.26 | jsmith | So I think you're right, as I look at it a bit closer |
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| 20:46.06 | shalkie | So this isn't my strong point, but I know some of the SSl stuff I have configured in the past use - to indicate the formats that aren't acceptable. IS that possibly the same there? |
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| 20:47.46 | shalkie | goes to pull up the RFC |
| 20:50.29 | shalkie | Huh, not according to the RFC. |
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| 21:03.07 | unum | for the other sid users out there: http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/6/3/0/306630_v1.jpg |
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