| 00:12.30 | TodPunk | levi: if by "take off" we mean the same way IRC "took off" and encrypted email has "taken off" (and yes I'm aware of the irony of saying this on IRC) |
| 00:12.58 | harleypig | Take off! To the Great White North! |
| 00:13.38 | harleypig | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jm4LoOaAWI |
| 00:18.41 | goozbach | stress sucks! |
| 00:22.33 | goozbach | turns out when you deposit a large check they put a hold on the funds |
| 00:22.45 | goozbach | really makes depending on those funds 3days later difficult |
| 00:38.50 | jxqz | goozbach: the bank is just letting you know who's in charge |
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| 00:54.00 | levi | TodPunk: I'm not sure encrypted email ever took off, but IRC and RSS were both popular in their day. |
| 00:55.24 | levi | email itself is getting to be a "legacy" communication medium these days. |
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| 01:02.23 | TodPunk | levi: yes. In fact the only reason I still maintain a facebook is because holy hell there's people that use it AS THEIR EMAIL equivalent |
| 01:02.49 | TodPunk | It is the only way to contact some of the people I needed to get a hold of in the neighborhood |
| 01:04.23 | TodPunk | goozbach: they do need to wait for the transfer to complete, but 3 business days should be PLENTY of time for that to complete for a check |
| 01:14.09 | levi | TodPunk: There's FB and there's texting. Email is for dinosaurs. :) |
| 01:14.41 | davido_ | YAPC::NA 2015 to be held in Salt Lake City: http://news.perlfoundation.org/2014/07/yapcna2015-in-salt-lake-city-u.html |
| 01:24.37 | levi | Has the perl programming population declined so much that SLC is now home to a significant number of them? ;) |
| 01:45.17 | davido_ | No, SLC's recent success with its local Perl user group, as well as the visibility of OpenWest has cast us in a good light. |
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| 02:00.31 | TodPunk | davido_: so, yes then |
| 02:00.39 | TodPunk | </jab> |
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| 03:41.46 | jxqz | ugh, a single vendor's walled garden honeypot is not an email replacement |
| 03:42.01 | jxqz | email does what you need it to do and doesn't get in the way otherwise |
| 03:42.22 | jxqz | if you think it's antiquated, then you need to reevaluate how you're using it |
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| 03:56.05 | programmerq | Jayce^: whew-- I just visited about 7 portals |
| 03:56.32 | programmerq | I'm almost halfway to level 3 |
| 03:57.08 | programmerq | I hacked them all (a few twice), created some links, destroyed an L1 enemy portal and deployed my own! |
| 03:57.22 | programmerq | it was great |
| 03:59.59 | JPaul | I'm having an odd problem with wireless on my arch install on my laptop. It's only with my home network though, it works fine on my work's WiFi. |
| 04:00.31 | JPaul | What are the odds it is strictly on my router's side |
| 04:00.36 | JPaul | ? |
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| 04:10.33 | TodPunk | JPaul: most wireless issues where I see it having an issue with one network and not another seem to be MIMO related these days. It's usually driver issue, but you can change your home router settings to help |
| 04:19.31 | JPaul | So you think it might work better with a single radio on? |
| 04:20.09 | TodPunk | No, I just think you might fiddle with MIMO related settings and see if that helps? |
| 04:20.45 | JPaul | On the router or laptop? |
| 04:24.33 | TodPunk | router |
| 04:24.57 | TodPunk | I'm also not saying this is your issue, just the most common I see these days in the world of N routers |
| 04:25.02 | JPaul | I'll take a look again |
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| 04:37.04 | davido_ | is pairup an apple thing? |
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| 04:37.57 | TodPunk | davido_: like most "apple" things, it's probably just something like WDS slightly modified to break it with normal WDS |
| 04:38.15 | davido_ | lol. |
| 04:38.54 | davido_ | Just had another dev suggest we do a pairup for some collaboration, and I was having a hard time figuring out what he meant. Looks like not a linux thing anyway. |
| 05:08.36 | TodPunk | davido_: oh, I thought you were joining the wireless discussion xD |
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| 05:11.46 | JPaul | Todpunk, turned out to be some problem with dhcpcd failing to accept the lease, I switched NM to use dhclient and finally got connected |
| 05:12.46 | TodPunk | win! |
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| 15:28.30 | Jayce^ | programmerq: I flipped the church by you, the entrance as well but they just wiped it |
| 15:28.39 | Jayce^ | you should go drop resonators on it and build a link |
| 15:30.58 | Jayce^ | goozbach: especially if you cross reserve districts, adds 2 more days at least |
| 15:31.14 | peno | ingress noobs are so cute. |
| 15:31.34 | Jayce^ | peno: gotta hold the kids hands for a bit :) |
| 15:34.58 | peno | Jayce^: haha |
| 15:42.37 | TodPunk | watching people talk about that game is so weird and offputting |
| 15:42.49 | TodPunk | to the game, not to like, them |
| 15:43.12 | TodPunk | It just seems like SO much work for what amounts to marking territory digitally. At least pee on something while you're there |
| 15:44.09 | peno | pretty much. |
| 15:44.39 | RyanE_ | TodPunk: I think that's a *different* game. |
| 15:44.53 | TodPunk | a much better game? |
| 15:45.12 | RyanE | public urination? Don't know, Homey don't play dat game. |
| 15:45.45 | peno | there are members on the resistance that actually participate in public urination. |
| 15:46.01 | TodPunk | .... |
| 15:46.31 | TodPunk | I'm sure both sides are idiots |
| 15:46.38 | peno | yep |
| 15:46.45 | peno | morans on both sides |
| 15:47.08 | TodPunk | will stick to not going outside |
| 15:47.19 | RyanE | so you'll keep your urination private? :) |
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| 15:50.20 | TodPunk | I suppose if that's your focus we can stick to just that activity, sure |
| 15:50.37 | RyanE | no thanks, I'm busy that day. |
| 15:52.10 | TodPunk | this is a rather weird morning |
| 15:52.59 | TodPunk | in new topic news, hiren's boot disk is still just plain awesome |
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| 16:13.03 | programmerq | Jayce^: I won't be able to go out too much today. |
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| 16:35.06 | youtah | Looks like programmerq is in my area! |
| 16:35.26 | youtah | programmerq, I was the one who said hello, if you haven't put two and two together yet. Although I assume you had |
| 16:35.31 | programmerq | yes |
| 16:35.55 | youtah | jlp_znc, you need to start playing ingress too. But make sure to pick the resistance faction (blue) |
| 16:36.22 | youtah | and jlp_znc did you see my link via text message last night about Yet Another Perl Conference coming to Salt Lake City? |
| 16:36.55 | programmerq | to be honest, I'm not entirely sure why new development happens in perl. |
| 16:40.36 | peno | resistance are sheep. :) |
| 16:50.06 | Jayce^ | programmerq: because it's a great language with lots of community |
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| 16:59.23 | jxqz | ~napoleon Jayce^ |
| 16:59.31 | infobot | ACTION makes Jayce^ his secret service captain |
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| 17:27.39 | programmerq | Jayce^: the community, as far as I can tell, is on a decline. The language itself doesn't offer any benefits (that I know of) that aren't available in other languages. |
| 17:27.45 | programmerq | perhaps I'm wrong on both of these points |
| 17:28.33 | Jayce^ | yeah, I say so.. quite a fun group, and powerful tools.. |
| 17:29.06 | Jayce^ | it's like years ago when people told us perl couldn't scale, and then we'd outperform their c/java/etc stuff |
| 17:30.19 | programmerq | yeah, I try to never bring up "x language is bad at performance" in these discussions, because I'm usually wrong. :) |
| 17:30.48 | programmerq | I'm of the opinion that any language, used correctly, can scale and perform just as well as the next (more or less) |
| 17:31.04 | jxqz | FORTRAN outperforms perl |
| 17:31.10 | jxqz | lets use that |
| 17:35.03 | jsmith | Now if only Jayce^ was has high-performance as Perl |
| 17:35.08 | jsmith | ducks and hides |
| 17:40.16 | Jayce^ | ~powerpoint jsmith |
| 17:40.36 | Jayce^ | ... why is *THAT* not in there?? |
| 17:40.36 | jsmith | Touché, my friend, touché |
| 17:41.24 | Jayce^ | ~powerpoint jsmith |
| 17:41.47 | Jayce^ | ~powerpoint jsmith |
| 17:42.14 | Jayce^ | hrm, didn't like what i set it as.. oh well |
| 17:42.24 | Jayce^ | just saying that word is enough to annoy jsmith |
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| 19:10.04 | youtah | CSS ALL THE THINGS |
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| 19:15.49 | jsmith | youtah: I thought CSS was so last year... and now people are doing it all in SASS and LESS |
| 19:16.26 | youtah | naw |
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| 19:16.42 | youtah | Does anyone know where I can get some "HR FREE ZONE" Caution Tape? |
| 19:16.49 | TodPunk | programmerq: people trend toward using what they know and thinking that way. This is also hard to combat when criticisms against such can be easily swept under the rug and refocused with ambiguous immeasurable comments like "x is a great language" or "y is so powerful" |
| 19:16.58 | TodPunk | see also: C++ |
| 19:19.10 | TodPunk | I don't actually understand the mechanism that ties programmers emotionally to their tools. That one still eludes me, though the phenomenon is clearly there and the affects are noticeable |
| 19:19.49 | TodPunk | maybe it's a comfort in their thinking patterns and avoiding the pain of having to adapt to different ones? |
| 19:19.57 | TodPunk | meh |
| 19:20.00 | programmerq | non-programmers also tend to get attached to their tools, more or less |
| 19:20.16 | programmerq | a hunter may just absolutely *love* his rifle |
| 19:20.24 | programmerq | hates going hunting if he has to use a different one. |
| 19:20.27 | programmerq | shrugs |
| 19:21.30 | TodPunk | there's some utility in that, though. You tend ot learn to compensate for a rifle that shoots slightly to the left of target over time, maybe even adjust the sights or something (I'm not a hunter, but I definitely shoot once in a while) |
| 19:22.16 | TodPunk | though the analogy does tie in that there's an end goal that is measurable, but the methodologies to get there are nuanced and incomparable |
| 19:22.44 | programmerq | to a degree, there is some comparison. |
| 19:22.50 | programmerq | if I have a spec for a mobile app |
| 19:22.56 | programmerq | and I know phonegap |
| 19:23.03 | programmerq | I'm probably going to use phonegap |
| 19:23.18 | programmerq | I won't be happy if I have to do ___ (I realized I don't know a direct phonegap competitor) |
| 19:23.32 | TodPunk | titanium appcellerator? |
| 19:23.37 | programmerq | sure |
| 19:23.44 | TodPunk | xamarin, maybe |
| 19:24.13 | TodPunk | the utility of setting out to a project definitely does make some decisions for us it seems |
| 19:25.01 | TodPunk | I think we get into trouble when we lie to ourselves that phonegap is the best at mobile apps, or that nothing else should ever be considered |
| 19:25.07 | TodPunk | the economics of switching aside, of course |
| 19:25.24 | TodPunk | trying 14 different toolchains can be a problem |
| 19:26.44 | levi | TodPunk: The mechanism that ties programmers emotionally to their tools is broadly called 'humanity'. ;) |
| 19:27.12 | levi | We are generally tied emotionally in some way or another to everything. |
| 19:27.25 | programmerq | there was a *fabulous* talk about choosing tools/frameworks by Sarah Mei at the Mountainwest Ruby conf this year. let me see if I can find a link. |
| 19:27.51 | programmerq | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzzL_QDKv0c |
| 19:27.56 | levi | We are intuitve, emotional beings who also happen to have some capacity for logical reasoning if it's developed. |
| 19:28.30 | programmerq | does the vulcan salute |
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| 19:29.47 | levi | Intuition is our supercharged heuristic pattern-matching cognitive engine, and emotion is its control mechanism. |
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| 19:30.42 | TodPunk | emotion is for sissies |
| 19:30.49 | TodPunk | or something |
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| 19:33.42 | levi | Ugh, my Downloads directory has 672 pdf files. |
| 19:33.53 | levi | Really need to sort those. |
| 19:34.25 | TodPunk | I used to have that issue. I vowed never again |
| 19:34.30 | TodPunk | so now I don't download things |
| 19:34.32 | TodPunk | >.> |
| 19:36.40 | levi | Well, I don't have a PDF plugin installed, so I can't read PDFs without downloading them. |
| 19:36.52 | levi | I read, or skim at least, a lot of PDFs. |
| 19:37.17 | TodPunk | yeah, I was just jabbing |
| 19:41.25 | TodPunk | programmerq: this talk is pretty awesome, thank you |
| 19:41.47 | TodPunk | I definitely evaluate based on popularity for most critical decisions (tried and tested by someone else) |
| 19:42.01 | TodPunk | this is probably my desire for stability over than workflow |
| 19:43.26 | TodPunk | /over/more/ |
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| 19:47.47 | levi | Wait, there's a pony-based javascript framework? |
| 19:51.18 | TodPunk | levi: don't ask dangerous and terrible questions, especially when no good can come from the answer |
| 19:51.39 | TodPunk | to sort of head that off, the answer is "of COURSE there is. Let's go do something else now" |
| 19:52.54 | levi | I held myself strictly neutral and disinterested in the matter of ponies, but then Weird Al went and made a guest appearance. |
| 19:53.26 | TodPunk | I know, it's a sad day |
| 19:53.35 | Jayce^ | Cheese sandwich |
| 19:53.51 | TodPunk | I agreed to watch it because my sister-in-law died and she was a HUGE fan |
| 19:53.52 | Jayce^ | my daughters love 'em, so I've seen my fair share.. actually a pretty good show |
| 19:54.01 | Jayce^ | better than other things I've had to sid through |
| 19:54.14 | TodPunk | I refuse to be "one of those people" despite it being possibly enjoyable, though not worth the time |
| 19:55.06 | levi | Yeah, I only discovered the Weird Al guest appearance through my kids watching it. |
| 19:55.33 | levi | I heard the voice when walking into the room, and saw the mane, and then there was polka music and all doubt was gone. |
| 19:55.50 | TodPunk | that, as they say, is that |
| 19:57.28 | levi | I agree with Jayce^'s take on the show pretty much, but my opinion of the show runners went up a bit after they had Weird Al on. |
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| 20:43.16 | jlp_znc | https://twitter.com/LASDBrink/status/495246980075900928?utm_source=nextdraft&utm_medium=email <- facebook is down, call the Sheriff! |
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| 21:46.22 | youtah | http://ianlunn.github.io/Hover/ |
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