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| 02:06.11 | levi | programmerq: About which thing? Types? |
| 02:10.38 | TodPunk | is guessing type systems |
| 03:17.21 | programmerq | levi: yes |
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| 07:27.34 | levi | I'll try to find some stuff tomorrow. |
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| 15:20.30 | Jayce^ | programmerq: you see those guys that wiped out the portals near you? gotta get help flipping them back |
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| 16:23.35 | programmerq | Jayce^: yeah, I did see that. |
| 16:24.04 | programmerq | I am level 2 |
| 16:24.29 | programmerq | I wasn't able to make it over there to flip them back yesterday |
| 16:24.37 | programmerq | maybe I'll go over later today |
| 16:29.17 | Jayce^ | if you can, help keep them powered |
| 16:30.10 | Jayce^ | there is a good number in city center and out west as well |
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| 16:31.44 | peno | Jayce^: you're on the wrong side. |
| 16:31.46 | peno | that is all. |
| 16:32.41 | davido_ | lol. What's the name of that game? I loaded it on my android a few months back but eventually removed it because I wasn't sure if it would chew up my battery and data. |
| 16:32.51 | davido_ | (and free time) |
| 16:33.03 | peno | Ingress |
| 16:33.09 | peno | complete waste of time. |
| 16:33.28 | Jayce^ | Ingress |
| 16:33.34 | Jayce^ | and totally worth it |
| 16:33.42 | Jayce^ | and yes, it does chew those up |
| 16:34.09 | davido_ | Maybe I'll give it a try again. |
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| 17:28.10 | jlp_znc | for the language wonks (I'm lookin' at you, levi): http://briancarper.net/blog/439/real-confusing-haskell |
| 17:29.15 | romanovic | I've been so excited this week, getting ready to ditch my comcast account in favor of vivint wireless... installer came out this morning, neighbors' houses blocking all towers :C |
| 17:32.17 | fozzmoo | Vivint people are on my roof right this very now. |
| 17:32.55 | romanovic | not fair. |
| 17:32.59 | fozzmoo | They can see the microcell easily but they're having trouble getting the radio on my roof to talk to it. |
| 17:33.45 | fozzmoo | I hope they can figure it out. I'm sick of hearing my neighbors boast of 80-100Mbps rates. I want to boast myself! |
| 17:34.02 | jxqz | is it wimax? |
| 17:34.24 | fozzmoo | Not sure. It's mesh. |
| 17:34.48 | romanovic | i'm hoping once i have more neighbors with vivint, i can connect to the mesh without direct line of sight to the tower |
| 17:35.01 | jxqz | it is incredibly ridiculous that in order to get decent service you have to go over the air |
| 17:35.02 | fozzmoo | romanovic: What city? |
| 17:35.03 | jxqz | srlsy |
| 17:35.05 | romanovic | Herriman |
| 17:35.12 | fozzmoo | romanovic: We should hang out. |
| 17:35.38 | fozzmoo | romanovic: Whereabouts are you? I'm south of Fort Herriman MS. |
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| 17:36.55 | davido_ | is this available in east Sandy? |
| 17:37.32 | romanovic | fozzmoo: I live just west of rosecrest park. like 2 blocks away from Fort Herriman MS. |
| 17:37.54 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum |
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| 17:38.10 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You're not driving a moving truck yet? |
| 17:39.59 | jsmith | fozzmoo: He's trying to figure out how to put his trunk inside the rental truck |
| 17:40.03 | jxqz | levi: types are also fundamental to the definition and use of abstract mathematic existensials |
| 17:41.11 | romanovic | when i was on the phone with vivint wireless, the guy said he had been making calls to people in Herriman all day. He said most everyone had comcast, and about 70% immediately signed up for vivint wireless the day of the call |
| 17:43.04 | goozbach | fozzmoo: saturday |
| 17:43.26 | goozbach | jsmith: trying to figure out how to sell my truck TODAY |
| 17:49.53 | jxqz | romanovic: that's just depressing |
| 17:50.07 | jxqz | just string out some freaking fiber! |
| 17:50.15 | romanovic | seriously. |
| 17:51.47 | romanovic | Herriman once posted on their Facebook page that they were in talks with companies that might potentially provide gigabit fiber in Herriman. |
| 17:53.44 | romanovic | I was really excited at first, but then I realised they weren't considering laying down the infrastructure, just bringing private ISPs into Herriman that were willing to do it, which isn't quite as exciting. |
| 17:55.10 | RyanE | "We're having talks about having talks about possibly establishing a committee to discuss the possibility of discussing possibly bringing in other people to do the work for us." |
| 17:55.21 | davido_ | I can hardly navigate the vivint home page... that constantly playing video is too distracting. |
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| 18:06.25 | fozzmoo | I'm glad Herriman City is being responsible about it. |
| 18:06.43 | fozzmoo | I'm online with Vivint Wireless now. |
| 18:06.51 | fozzmoo | They told me they did a speed test and were seeing 83Mbps |
| 18:07.54 | fozzmoo | Just did my own speed test and got 65Mbps down. |
| 18:08.09 | fozzmoo | And I'm seeing 85Mbps up. |
| 18:08.14 | fozzmoo | Sorry. 87! |
| 18:08.44 | davido_ | nice. You're one step closer to achieving world domination. |
| 18:09.04 | davido_ | next: a master plan. |
| 18:09.21 | jxqz | 87 is nothing compared to the 500+ you could eventually get over fiber |
| 18:09.35 | jxqz | 87 is probably maxing out the capacity of air |
| 18:09.48 | jxqz | on a clear day with ideal conditions |
| 18:10.08 | jxqz | ~finger fozzmoo |
| 18:10.08 | infobot | ACTION raises his middle finger to fozzmoo |
| 18:10.16 | davido_ | hm. need to bond. ;) |
| 18:10.33 | fozzmoo | hopes for fiber someday. |
| 18:11.04 | davido_ | I hope for anything non-cable, non-dsl someday. Seems like we're slow to have options in my neighborhood. |
| 18:11.12 | jxqz | ~finger fozzmoo |
| 18:11.12 | infobot | fozzmoo has no plan |
| 18:11.38 | jxqz | davido_: says everybody about everyneighborhood |
| 18:11.48 | davido_ | yeah, probably. |
| 18:11.54 | fozzmoo | davido_: Yup. It sucks. I've heard Digis is a nice alternative. |
| 18:11.54 | jxqz | :( |
| 18:12.32 | fozzmoo | I don't think Digis can claim these speeds, though. |
| 18:12.53 | davido_ | truth be told, I never seem to find my cable internet speed lacking. |
| 18:13.51 | jlp_znc | my comcast speed is fine. my comcast reliability is ... less than fine. |
| 18:13.58 | davido_ | I just think I'm overpaying. |
| 18:14.09 | jlp_znc | seems to be a lot of problems with some router in Denver that gets confused. |
| 18:14.23 | davido_ | At least I own my cable tele/modem. |
| 18:14.29 | davido_ | That was a major ordeal. |
| 18:14.44 | davido_ | (getting them to provision it when it's not their own equipment) |
| 18:14.50 | jlp_znc | try explaining that to 1st tier support. "yes, my local loop is fine. I can ping out as far as denver (from SLC), then it gets lost." |
| 18:15.04 | jlp_znc | "have you tried turning your modem off and on again? how about rebooting your computer?" |
| 18:15.35 | davido_ | yeah, 1st tier, "Yes, we would very much like to help you with this. Now can you please tell me if you are using Windows 7 or Windows 8?" |
| 18:16.45 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I haven't had any real uptime problems with Comcast. |
| 18:16.57 | fozzmoo | And the speed has been decent. |
| 18:17.17 | fozzmoo | But I've been feeling my soul slowly wither away each month I send money to them. |
| 18:17.30 | davido_ | exactly. |
| 18:17.34 | davido_ | ok, out for now. |
| 18:17.44 | fozzmoo | When I call them to disconnect, I will definitely tell them I'm recording the call "for quality purposes." |
| 18:18.19 | jxqz | you have to call to cancel your account? |
| 18:18.38 | jxqz | that's a major sign to stay away |
| 18:18.54 | fozzmoo | As opposed to? Canceling online? |
| 18:18.55 | jxqz | but qworst is probably the same :-/ |
| 18:18.59 | jxqz | yes |
| 18:19.43 | jxqz | 'customers can't do anything without getting approval from sales' |
| 18:21.21 | romanovic | same here. i don't have much downtime with comcast. i hate that I give them money. |
| 18:21.22 | fozzmoo | I know in years past you couldn't mail in your leased cable modem, you had to take to an authorized Comcast office, which was stupid. |
| 18:22.52 | romanovic | i once cancelled comcast after a move and turned in my equipment to the nearest office. They came after me months after for not turning in my equipment. |
| 18:23.04 | fozzmoo | Typical. |
| 18:23.12 | davido_ | I bought mine on ebay. They weren't terribly helpful in getting it provisioned. took a couple of days worth of waiting for upper level support calls. |
| 18:23.20 | romanovic | once my service was disconnected when I replaced my debit card number. I called within an hour of getting disconnected, but it took days for them to reconnect me |
| 18:23.31 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I bought a brand new Motorola modem, but never could get it working with Comcast. |
| 18:23.32 | jlp_znc | I had no trouble getting mine provisioned |
| 18:23.41 | romanovic | the flip switching delay was unacceptable, but I have nowhere to go |
| 18:23.42 | fozzmoo | So, I'm still using the leased modem. |
| 18:23.57 | davido_ | not for long, fozz |
| 18:23.58 | romanovic | s/flip switching/switch flipping/ |
| 18:24.05 | jlp_znc | fozzmoo: did you get a docsis3 compatible modem? |
| 18:24.27 | davido_ | mine is docsis3 and tele compatible. |
| 18:24.28 | fozzmoo | yes. And it trained up okay... but there was something wrong on their end. |
| 18:24.36 | jlp_znc | ugh |
| 18:24.39 | fozzmoo | Like, it was only passing downstream traffic and not upstream. |
| 18:24.48 | jlp_znc | maybe it was DOA? |
| 18:24.49 | fozzmoo | Once I went back to the leased modem, everything worked again. |
| 18:25.02 | davido_ | alright, got to run. |
| 18:25.03 | fozzmoo | jlp_znc: Possible. |
| 18:25.07 | fozzmoo | davido_: RUN! |
| 18:25.12 | davido_ | :) |
| 18:30.42 | romanovic | also, internet speeds provided seem to go up linearly (at least in places where I've lived), about 5mbps/year, but price per mbps of bandwidth has dropped exponentially, with new equipment. yet, the major isp's round these parts maintain or increase their monthly fees |
| 18:31.35 | romanovic | of course, the isp's have shown with their own data that they aren't really expanding or replacing infrastructure, just pocketing more and more of the money... |
| 18:32.31 | romanovic | is very bitter today. |
| 18:42.10 | jxqz | romanovic: so many of us are |
| 18:42.26 | jxqz | but it's capitalism at work! |
| 18:42.31 | levi | Yo. |
| 18:42.37 | jxqz | don't question the cartels |
| 18:42.57 | jxqz | ~napoleon levi |
| 18:42.57 | infobot | ACTION eats all of levi's steak |
| 18:46.23 | levi | jlp_znc: You can imagine a dual account of some Haskell guy learning Lisp for the first time. "It's a sea of undifferentiated s-expressions! How am I supposed to tell at a glance what any of them *mean*?" |
| 18:48.37 | levi | jlp_znc: "This innocent-looking expression here is really a macro that expands to some mess of definitions and macros! It's a dark labyrinth of macro-expansion hell!" |
| 18:51.00 | levi | jlp_znc: Not to say that there's nothing to criticize about Haskell's library-defined operators and the operators that are available in various libraries, just that a Lispers are not without their own syntactic glass houses. |
| 18:56.37 | unum | throws stones at everyones houses |
| 18:57.44 | youtah | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/airplane_peekaboo |
| 19:00.15 | unum | ~s//(\w)\s?\@\s?(\w)\s?\.\s?(\w)/$1\@$2\.$3/g <-- but the first time anyone sees that it makes perfect sense ;) |
| 19:00.49 | unum | I should have looked for something with more diverisity in the special characters |
| 19:06.54 | youtah | fozzmoo http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/4586186438.html |
| 19:07.00 | youtah | make sure to check out the pictures |
| 19:07.04 | fozzmoo | OMG. |
| 19:07.16 | fozzmoo | That. Is. So. Awesome. |
| 19:07.35 | fozzmoo | Why didn't I do that with my old Impreza instead of selling it to my neighbor? |
| 19:08.25 | fozzmoo | Too bad he had an automatic transmission. |
| 19:08.37 | fozzmoo | That in a 5-speed would be even better. |
| 19:08.45 | levi | programmerq: Anyway, I found a pretty readable paper that I think will illustrate the point I was trying to make about types being fundamental to programming: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.117.695&rep=rep1&type=pdf |
| 19:09.00 | programmerq | nice! |
| 19:09.27 | programmerq | cool! it was published when I was 0 |
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| 19:10.01 | fozzmoo | http://i.imgur.com/0bSLzHT.gif |
| 19:13.36 | levi | Luca Cardelli is a very smart guy, and has a more "relaxed" take on terminology than someone like Robert Harper, who is also very smart and well informed about types but way more picky about terminology. |
| 19:34.35 | levi | Anyway, the introductory bits of that paper do a good job of describing how, even in an untyped language, you start to develop an informal notion of type as you write sensible programs. |
| 19:35.00 | fadein | levi: that looks like a good paper - thanks for the link |
| 19:35.20 | fadein | now I have something to read after summer semester ends |
| 19:36.55 | fadein | I think you had mentioned CLOS yesterday; I never understood what was so great about OO until I wrote something in a CLOS-like framework |
| 19:37.28 | youtah | fozzmoo, my wife just gave me (fake) permission to go buy it on Facebook |
| 19:37.37 | fozzmoo | heh. |
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| 19:37.49 | fadein | it's too bad that most folks get stuck in the C++/Java OO mindset |
| 19:37.53 | youtah | I figure he switched out the tranny with four much lower gears |
| 19:38.05 | youtah | What do you mean fadein? |
| 19:38.18 | fadein | just coming into the OO conversation really late |
| 19:38.36 | fadein | CLOS - Common Lisp Object System |
| 19:39.18 | fadein | It's was a breath of fresh air after coming from the Java/C++/Perl/Python way of doing OO |
| 19:39.24 | fadein | and I had just barely dabbled in it |
| 19:41.32 | levi | The Dylan language borrows a lot of CLOS ideas but puts them in a less-Lispy syntax. |
| 19:42.28 | fugue88 | levi: Nice paper, thanks for sharing that! |
| 19:42.31 | levi | http://opendylan.org/documentation/intro-dylan/index.html |
| 19:43.50 | jxqz | there goes levi, spreading his nonconformist ways |
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| 20:19.17 | jxqz | levi: you should create a startup just so you can write stuff in nonstandard languages |
| 20:28.49 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:29.06 | levi | If I created a startup, I'd spend even less time writing stuff in nonstandard languages than I do now. |
| 20:29.29 | levi | And more time, you know, trying to figure out how to manage a company. |
| 20:30.04 | levi | Huh: https://www.stellar.org/blog/introducing-stellar/ |
| 20:46.27 | eightyeight | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3XDcNIN2W3M/U9qhPMRVCzI/AAAAAAAAH0A/X6TDAcP8uuA/w886-h552-no/knife.jpg |
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| 21:19.24 | programmerq | Jayce^: I went to one of the recently flipped portals just now. It's an L6 so I can't really touch it |
| 21:19.30 | programmerq | unless there's something I am doing wrong. |
| 21:19.42 | programmerq | my L2 gear just doesn't seem effective. |
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| 21:59.18 | fozzmoo | http://is.gd/suoShr |
| 22:00.03 | fozzmoo | Global warming is causing $problems[rand(@problems)] |
| 22:01.44 | eightyeight | http://gizmodo.com/7-conservative-alternatives-to-the-internets-most-popul-1614074423 |
| 22:05.04 | jxqz | ~warm fozzmoo |
| 22:05.51 | eightyeight | http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384221/california-governor-jerry-brown-climate-change-will-drive-millions-people-north-over is the link behind that is.gd url, btw |
| 22:14.39 | Jayce^ | programmerq: yeah, just hack for ap/gear right now, but once it's flipped you can do stuff |
| 22:14.59 | Jayce^ | one of the highlands ones has open spots, you should fill it, and get keys to the others around you |
| 22:15.31 | programmerq | Jayce^: I do have some keys at least |
| 22:15.46 | Jayce^ | just keep them charged |
| 22:16.43 | programmerq | oh nice |
| 22:16.48 | programmerq | I didn't know you could do stuff with the keys |
| 22:17.16 | Jayce^ | yeah, that's how you can create links (big experience there) |
| 22:17.19 | Jayce^ | and remote recharge |
| 22:17.40 | programmerq | yeah, I just remote recharged a friendly portal that was pretty low |
| 22:19.03 | programmerq | there's a friendly portal with empty slots. I should go fill them. |
| 22:28.58 | fozzmoo | just watched the trailer for the new Spongebob movie coming out next year |
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| 22:29.17 | fozzmoo | Wahoo! I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready-eddy-eddy. |
| 22:31.55 | programmerq | is of the opinion that spongebob is mindless obnoxious stuff for kids and doesn't understand why anyone older than 7 likes it. |
| 22:32.42 | fozzmoo | Because it's mindless and obnoxious, of course. |
| 22:33.54 | fozzmoo | Our family shares so many inside jokes because of Spongebob. Like, when we're backing a vehicle up, someone will say "You're good! You're good! You're good!" and we all know what they're referring to. |
| 22:33.58 | programmerq | I guess I get enough of that in real live. ;) |
| 22:33.58 | fozzmoo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoxF29RI2Bs |
| 22:34.33 | eightyeight | i've never gotten the pull to spongebob. then again, i never understood the fandom of homestar runner either |
| 22:41.01 | jxqz | I've never gotten tiwterr |
| 22:41.05 | jxqz | or whatever it is |
| 22:41.15 | jxqz | twitcher |
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| 22:45.37 | eightyeight | jxqz: not much different from irc, i guess. at least that's how i've treated it |
| 22:48.42 | jxqz | eightyeight: but you don't speak in binary |
| 22:48.52 | eightyeight | that's correct |
| 22:49.00 | jxqz | which is what most of twtr msgng is all about |
| 22:49.11 | eightyeight | it's about speaking in binary? |
| 22:49.23 | jxqz | indeed |
| 22:49.37 | eightyeight | are we talking about the same thing? |
| 22:49.48 | jxqz | are you talking about the same thing? |
| 22:49.59 | levi | I am talking about the same thing. |
| 22:49.59 | jxqz | am I talking about the same thing? |
| 22:51.36 | jxqz | consider prototypical twtr msg: L0L,DUDEz rq.io/4tv6a.gif h4rh4rr #0xdeadbeef |
| 22:52.27 | jxqz | how is that not the first several bytes of /usr/lib/libc.so |
| 22:52.34 | eightyeight | yeah. i don't follow those |
| 22:52.37 | jxqz | cat it and you'll see that it is indeed identical |
| 22:52.51 | eightyeight | for the same reason i'm not in #warezD0wlo4dz4life |
| 22:52.56 | eightyeight | on irc |
| 22:53.01 | jxqz | ugh |
| 22:57.54 | levi | Twitter is terrible because it makes me want to have in-depth conversations about things, but doesn't provide the means. |
| 22:59.45 | eightyeight | that can be frustrating |
| 23:00.10 | eightyeight | they really should remove the 140 character limit. it's no longer practical |
| 23:00.26 | eightyeight | but, it does force on-the point conversation, which does have its benefits |
| 23:03.55 | TimRiker | can you imagine twitter without the 140 char limit? we'd be getting essays instead of short topics. |
| 23:04.03 | levi | I find it a very poor conversational medium in general. |
| 23:04.35 | TimRiker | everyone would be telling us where they're AT. |
| 23:06.23 | eightyeight | if they removed the 140 character limit, it would just be another google+, friendface, etc |
| 23:06.35 | eightyeight | i've always found twitter to be 'dinner coversation' |
| 23:06.48 | eightyeight | light topic, light discussion, respond if interested |
| 23:06.50 | jlp_znc | friendface :-) |
| 23:07.11 | fungus | lol |
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| 23:37.38 | TodPunk | levi: twitter is just poor at anything, even linksharing |
| 23:38.14 | TodPunk | it's easy to use, and so it gets used in this fad "thin" but it's much much much more noise than signal |
| 23:39.00 | TodPunk | An example of a useful twitter (albeit to a specific demographic of users), which could easily be replaced by an rss feed: https://twitter.com/WarframeAlerts |
| 23:39.47 | TodPunk | (Except RSS feeds are terrible and difficult for users that don't want to geek out and never took off for just that reason) |
| 23:42.50 | levi | RSS took off fine; it just got trounced along the way by centralized services due to the ease of connection that those services give you. |
