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| 12:37.43 | d3c4f_home | :s http://thehackernews.com/2014/07/paypal-freezes-275000-campaign-funds-of.html |
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| 14:52.39 | shalkie | But d3c4f_home , PayPal just wants to ensure that they have filed the legal paperwork to encrypt emails. So eventually when that paperwork exists they can get their money. ;) |
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| 15:23.36 | Oberon4278 | harleypig: I realize I'm a day late to the conversation, but that name rings a bell, and the bell is labeled "WARNING". |
| 15:25.13 | harleypig | Oberon4278, any hints? I'm distrustful of any modeling agency by default. |
| 15:26.46 | Oberon4278 | Just that if they ask you to pay for something, they're full of crap. |
| 15:28.34 | Oberon4278 | If they're legitimate, they'll be pretty selective about who they represent and they'll pay for your time from the beginning. Any kind of "representation fee" or whatnot, no matter how small, should be a huge red flag. |
| 15:40.54 | shalkie | One thing that seems to be a bit on the rise for scammes is the use of names that are hard to google. Names that are generic keywords so your so buried in results you can't find them. |
| 15:40.57 | harleypig | Yeah. :] That part I was already aware of. |
| 15:41.19 | shalkie | s/scammes/scammers/ |
| 15:41.32 | harleypig | Their website is fairly nice ... not the usual scam shabby. Doesn't mean much though. |
| 15:43.42 | goozbach | harleypig: I usually do <NAME> complaints |
| 15:43.47 | goozbach | or <NAME> scam |
| 15:43.52 | goozbach | as a second google step |
| 15:44.56 | harleypig | Oh, yeah. I've done that, and a couple other things. This is another part of my process ... they are a local company apparently. So I ask people around here about them. |
| 15:45.50 | harleypig | One of the Elder's in my ward is an RN for various production companies. He hasn't gotten back to me yet. |
| 15:47.23 | Oberon4278 | Can't you just.... talk to them and see if they want to charge you money? |
| 15:49.20 | shalkie | harleypig: What is "RN" in this context? |
| 15:49.35 | harleypig | registered nurse |
| 15:50.25 | Oberon4278 | Why would an RN know something more about a modeling agency than someone else? |
| 15:50.30 | harleypig | He works on sets doing basic medical (he says putting band aids on boo boos, but I think it's a bit more than that). |
| 15:51.57 | harleypig | He's worked on several movies shot here in Utah, plus he's on a tv series now, I can't remember which one. |
| 15:52.20 | harleypig | I don't expect he'll know a lot, but he does have the ear of people who would know. |
| 15:54.34 | Oberon4278 | ah ok |
| 15:55.09 | Oberon4278 | is there a reason why you can't just pursue a business relationship with them, and then drop them if they try something dishonest? |
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| 15:55.51 | Oberon4278 | other than not wanting to waste time |
| 15:59.26 | jxqz | ~napoleon harleypig |
| 15:59.26 | infobot | ACTION makes harleypig buy a lotto ticket for Napoleon |
| 15:59.46 | Oberon4278 | harleypig: If you, or someone in your family, wants to do modeling work there are plenty of avenues to pursue that don't involve signing a contract with a modeling agency. |
| 16:00.20 | harleypig | Oberon4278: My daughter wants to follow a friend. I've already told her to go ahead, but I'm trying to find out what I can. I've already warned her of the things to watch out for. |
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| 16:01.47 | Oberon4278 | How old is she? |
| 16:02.13 | Oberon4278 | Like, if she signs something, is she legally bound? |
| 16:04.21 | Oberon4278 | harleypig: http://www.modelmayhem.com/ is a very good site that doesn't require any kind of contract. Photographers and models work together directly. |
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| 16:04.54 | Oberon4278 | If she's new she'll primarily be working on a "TFP" (Time For Prints, i.e. the model gives their time in exchange for prints rather than money) basis. |
| 16:05.18 | Oberon4278 | That way she can build a portfolio and eventually start working on a for-pay basis. |
| 16:06.05 | Oberon4278 | Generally though, no professional model will even show up unless they're guaranteed compensation for doing so. |
| 16:06.29 | Oberon4278 | harleypig: There's also this http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Urban-Talent-Management/Salt-Lake-City-Utah-84103/Urban-Talent-Management-Style-Inc-The-Urban-Talent-Management-Scam-Salt-Lake-City-Utah-663495 |
| 16:09.29 | harleypig | She's 16, will be 17 at the end of this month. I've told her she can't sign anything without my having seen the contract. If they pressure her it's a bad sign and she should call me right away. |
| 16:10.08 | Oberon4278 | ok cool |
| 16:10.50 | harleypig | Yeah, I found that. I take those with as much salt as I take the testimonials. |
| 16:11.01 | Oberon4278 | Would it even be legally binding if she did sign it? |
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| 16:13.08 | harleypig | It's a gray area. But, atm, the worst case scenario is that my daughter would get an important life lesson. |
| 16:13.23 | unum | ya |
| 16:13.37 | unum | from looking at that link it looks like they are going to try and get money out of her |
| 16:13.45 | unum | but not until after a few interviews |
| 16:14.10 | unum | I have a brother who spent a month in "training" for a job before the company asked for money |
| 16:14.26 | harleypig | From the ripoffreport? Yeah. But, again, I take those reports the same as I take testimonials from the companys site. |
| 16:15.35 | unum | that's understandable, but I'm guessing she doesn't have $1,500 easily accesible, so if that's their game, you won't have to worry about her falling for it with out talking to you |
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| 16:17.14 | Oberon4278 | important life lesson ++ |
| 16:18.27 | harleypig | unum: :] true. |
| 16:19.58 | unum | http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Ksl-News-Broadcasting/Salt-Lake-City-Utah-84180/Ksl-News-Broadcasting-DESERET-MANAGEMENT-CORPORATIONKSL-TV-ksl-news-cover-ups-scandals-u-1157510 |
| 16:20.09 | Oberon4278 | harleypig: So anyway, I "worked with" a modeling agency in Utah once, and it went basically the same way that link described. They tell you you're just what they're looking for, get you to invest a bit of time and effort up front, then they bring you in and say "We almost never actually make money, so if we're going to be partners you need to invest equally, bla bla bla" and ask for cash. |
| 16:20.14 | Oberon4278 | That was the point at which I walked out. |
| 16:20.15 | unum | though with such stellar posts as that I don't know how you can't trust that site :) |
| 16:20.45 | Oberon4278 | Wow, that's pretty scary unum. |
| 16:20.51 | Oberon4278 | I wonder what else they're covering up?!?!?!? |
| 16:21.33 | unum | I thought they only stole children from the father, not both parents..... |
| 16:21.46 | unum | also I think the church is leaving the adoption business |
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| 16:22.33 | Oberon4278 | tbh the adoption scam they had going on was pretty egregious |
| 16:22.50 | Oberon4278 | and I'm glad to hear that they're leaving the business |
| 16:24.07 | unum | what do you mean scam? |
| 16:27.02 | Oberon4278 | well, scam is the wrong word |
| 16:27.23 | Oberon4278 | but there have been instances where a child has been given to foster parents without the consent of the father |
| 16:27.57 | unum | Oberon4278: yes, but the case I know of did not involve LDS family services: |
| 16:28.00 | unum | http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57579539-78/agency-adoption-center-state.html.csp |
| 16:28.01 | Oberon4278 | I assume it's rare, but that's still pretty egregious |
| 16:28.14 | unum | I'd be interested in seeing any cases you know of that did involve LDS family services |
| 16:28.20 | Oberon4278 | I don't know of any |
| 16:28.31 | Oberon4278 | all I heard was that Utah law was messed up |
| 16:28.38 | Oberon4278 | and not that the LDS church, specifically, was involved |
| 16:28.43 | Oberon4278 | well, no |
| 16:28.44 | Oberon4278 | actually |
| 16:28.56 | Oberon4278 | it was that the mother's bishop advised her to give up the child for adoption |
| 16:29.13 | Oberon4278 | because it would be better for the kid to be raised in a Mormon family than by its father |
| 16:29.23 | Oberon4278 | but that's just some random bishop, not LDS family services specifically |
| 16:29.37 | unum | and bishops are still free to make that recommendation |
| 16:29.40 | Oberon4278 | yeah |
| 16:29.43 | unum | this doesn't change that |
| 16:29.59 | Oberon4278 | okay, right |
| 16:30.05 | Oberon4278 | I see what you mean |
| 16:45.32 | shalkie | Once years ago I got a random phone call at home claiming the mormons had kidnapped their daughter and could I help? |
| 16:45.41 | shalkie | It was odd. |
| 16:46.15 | shalkie | They were calling everyone in the phone book with a similiar name (supposedly). |
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| 17:26.24 | Oberon4278 | shalkie: Right, The Mormons kidnapped her. |
| 17:26.31 | RyanE | "The Mormons" |
| 17:26.32 | Oberon4278 | I mean, they must have been terribly upset, but still. |
| 17:28.22 | goozbach | needing some help with YUM/RPM http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/140174/rebuilt-kmod-package-not-updating-via-yum-but-is-via-rpm |
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| 17:50.25 | shalkie | Oberon4278: From what I gathered it was someone that converted and moved. *shrug* |
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| 20:21.11 | jxqz | I just re emerged my entire system in less than 3 hours |
| 20:25.12 | youtah | picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue |
| 20:32.12 | shalkie | youtah: Ah, well let me give you video mixing drones and explosives: |
| 20:32.20 | shalkie | http://fox13now.com/2014/07/01/wow-man-catches-incredible-fireworks-show-with-gopro-on-drone/ |
| 20:37.13 | fozzmoo | I saw that video six weeks ago when it was first put on Youtube and thought "who has a disposable drone?!" |
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| 20:53.47 | Oberon4278 | god can we stop calling these things drones? |
| 20:53.52 | RyanE | good thing it wasn't made of paper mache'. :) |
| 20:54.01 | RyanE | remotely piloted air vehicles? |
| 20:54.06 | Oberon4278 | yeah |
| 20:54.13 | Oberon4278 | they used to be "remote controlled airplanes" |
| 20:54.14 | RyanE | yeah, drone it ain't. |
| 20:54.29 | RyanE | I guess "remotely controlled quadcopter" would be more appropriate in this case. |
| 20:54.38 | Oberon4278 | when I can push "launch" and "land" it's a drone |
| 20:54.58 | RyanE | sadly, language evolution may eventually *make* this a drone. |
| 20:55.00 | Oberon4278 | I swear my meds make me testy |
| 20:55.11 | Oberon4278 | about this time every day I hate everyone and everything |
| 20:55.19 | RyanE | "launch", "drop bomb on Jayce^", and "land". |
| 20:55.29 | Oberon4278 | I just finished ranting about how the person who changed my predictive text should be tortured |
| 20:55.46 | Oberon4278 | That's the important part. Step 2. |
| 20:55.55 | RyanE | about this time of day I hate everyone and everything too. No meds, just this time of day. |
| 20:55.57 | Oberon4278 | I didn't get bombs on my drone. |
| 20:56.04 | Oberon4278 | Just a fancy camera. |
| 20:56.33 | RyanE | fpv? |
| 20:57.37 | Oberon4278 | what's an FPV? |
| 20:57.47 | RyanE | first-person video |
| 20:57.52 | Oberon4278 | umm |
| 20:57.56 | Oberon4278 | I don't know |
| 20:58.01 | shalkie | Was that for dry runs so when the day comes you will have lots of practice? |
| 20:58.03 | RyanE | do you have video goggles? |
| 20:58.07 | Oberon4278 | god no |
| 20:58.16 | RyanE | then no FPV... :) |
| 20:58.22 | Oberon4278 | that would be a horrible idea |
| 20:58.29 | Oberon4278 | also I wasn't the operator, I was the crew chief |
| 20:58.29 | RyanE | popular one, though. |
| 20:58.36 | Oberon4278 | popular among civilians maybe |
| 20:58.41 | RyanE | ah, you had an *actual* drone... :) |
| 20:58.43 | Oberon4278 | yeah |
| 20:58.55 | Oberon4278 | the operators had like twenty things going on at once |
| 20:58.57 | RyanE | thus why you don't like quadcopters with video being called drones. :) |
| 20:59.17 | Oberon4278 | talking to air traffic control and the people on the ground and the mission commander |
| 20:59.33 | Oberon4278 | and then also flying (sorry, operating) their aircraft and keeping the camera pointed where it's needed |
| 20:59.38 | Oberon4278 | yeah, exactly |
| 20:59.48 | Oberon4278 | I mean, if it were partially automated, sure. |
| 21:00.18 | Oberon4278 | Even a simple "return to X coordinates and hover in event of signal loss" would be a step in the right direction. |
| 21:00.58 | Oberon4278 | Now I want to make a quadcopter drone. |
| 21:03.48 | shalkie | I keep wondering how often these things get lost. |
| 21:06.36 | Jayce^ | according to the FAA, it's still a drone :( |
| 21:07.27 | Jayce^ | according to the FAA, it's still a drone :( |
| 21:07.40 | Jayce^ | ugh |
| 21:07.52 | RyanE | according to the FAA, it's still a drone. :( |
| 21:08.11 | Jayce^ | lag + up + enter combo |
| 21:08.46 | RyanE | you're just bitter that I drone-bombed you. |
| 21:15.46 | Oberon4278 | According to the FAA, what is a drone? |
| 21:18.55 | Oberon4278 | from the FAA's site: Do I need to get approval from the FAA to fly a model aircraft for recreation? |
| 21:18.55 | Oberon4278 | No. FAA guidance does not address size of the model aircraft. FAA guidance says that model aircraft flights should be kept below 400 feet above ground level (AGL), should be flown a sufficient distance from populated areas and full scale aircraft, and are not for business purposes. |
| 21:23.02 | Jayce^ | if you charge for photo/video work from one of these, you need a special license |
| 21:23.43 | Jayce^ | brasilian world cup commentators > the english speaking ones |
| 21:24.50 | Oberon4278 | Right, that would be operating a commercial aircraft, which has always required a special license. |
| 21:25.35 | Oberon4278 | and it doesn't necessarily classify the aircraft as a UAS (i.e. drone,) it just means that it's commercial |
| 21:25.43 | RyanE | Jayce^: Claro |
| 21:25.50 | Jayce^ | which is annoying, distinguishing the aircraft.. a phantom II is a very different craft from an airplane |
| 21:26.23 | Jayce^ | RyanE: of course it's a great reminder of just how much I've forgotten |
| 21:28.01 | RyanE | or never knew. |
| 21:28.07 | RyanE | I don't know many futebol terms. |
| 21:30.40 | Oberon4278 | so long as you don't go above 400 feet above ground level, lose sight of the aircraft, or charge for flying it, you should be good |
| 21:32.20 | Oberon4278 | huh, the Phantom 2 looks pretty cool |
| 21:39.48 | jxqz | not as cool as an x-wing |
| 21:44.04 | Jayce^ | they are very fun to fly |
| 21:44.19 | Jayce^ | but you can't get replacement parts or service.. too overloaded :( |
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| 22:05.59 | harleypig | can I create an initrd image for a centos 5.9 os using dracut? |
| 22:08.22 | youtah | no |
| 22:08.24 | youtah | I have no idea |
| 22:08.26 | youtah | actually |
| 22:08.44 | youtah | I just didnt want you to feel like we left you hanging |
| 22:09.15 | harleypig | flapping in the breeze, so to speak. :> |
| 22:09.25 | shalkie | Do you want a purely speculative answer? |
| 22:09.39 | jxqz | you mean an initramfs? |
| 22:09.40 | harleypig | shalkie: I'll take what I can get. |
| 22:09.49 | jxqz | big difference there |
| 22:09.58 | harleypig | jxqz: Only if an initramfs will work with a 5.9 installation. |
| 22:09.59 | shalkie | No. Use mkinitrd. |
| 22:10.13 | jxqz | although redhat et al insist on using 'initrd' when they should be saying 'initramfs' |
| 22:10.33 | harleypig | shalkie: Can't, at least not to the finished product. We're using iscsi, and a bizarre setup it is. |
| 22:10.54 | jxqz | what kernel? |
| 22:10.57 | shalkie | I don't think dracut was even preview tech in 5.9 |
| 22:11.02 | jxqz | and 5.9, srsly? |
| 22:11.03 | harleypig | mkinitrd is "discovering" incorrect information, so we have to modify it. |
| 22:11.16 | harleypig | jxqz: it's legacy. |
| 22:11.33 | jxqz | legacy is invariably more trouble than it's worth |
| 22:11.40 | harleypig | ummm ... ovzkernel-whatever-the-latest-is |
| 22:11.48 | harleypig | jxqz: tell me about it. |
| 22:12.04 | jxqz | tells harleypig about it |
| 22:12.13 | harleypig | heh |
| 22:12.37 | jxqz | we have customers that are still running 5.2 |
| 22:12.58 | harleypig | We have customers that are still running 4.x (I don't care enough to look it up). |
| 22:13.23 | jxqz | rhel installs that are so old the redhat-carpet, or whatever it is, keys are expired |
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| 22:20.00 | shalkie | Hmmm... That is a good reminder. I need to setup CentOS 5 on some ancient HP 32 bit hardware. |
| 22:22.40 | jxqz | 2-1 |
| 22:23.09 | jxqz | 'Did you see that ludicrous display last night?' |
| 22:24.23 | shalkie | I don't even know what that means... |
| 22:24.25 | shalkie | grins |
| 22:24.47 | shalkie | But how does one die of fire at a sea park? |
| 22:24.55 | shalkie | wanders off... |
| 22:27.53 | Oberon4278 | Is everyone ready to hate me? |
| 22:28.06 | Oberon4278 | Okay, here goes: I think the SCOTUS decision was pretty reasonable. |
| 22:28.44 | RyanE | you think anyone in #Utah will disagree? |
| 22:28.51 | RyanE | also: which one? |
| 22:29.06 | youtah | Here is a photo of my being eaten alive on the river. I was on the front right corner of the raft http://www.moabactionshots.com/image_pop.php?src=667692 |
| 22:30.25 | RyanE | you mean, under the wave? |
| 22:30.29 | RyanE | nice |
| 22:34.44 | youtah | lol |
| 22:34.46 | youtah | yes |
| 22:34.57 | youtah | This was going into it http://www.moabactionshots.com/image_pop.php?src=667691 |
| 22:35.03 | youtah | Very front right, my friend ammon |
| 22:35.10 | youtah | Second front right, me |
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| 22:35.25 | youtah | Starting to pull out of it http://www.moabactionshots.com/image_pop.php?src=667693 |
| 22:35.33 | youtah | and of course the left half of the raft being dumped out, with me staying in. http://www.moabactionshots.com/image_pop.php?src=667695 |
| 22:35.43 | shalkie | Oberon4278: Even if someone disagreed, the years of sjansen trolling has taught us better. |
| 22:36.10 | youtah | ^ |
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| 22:46.29 | eightyeight | Oberon4278: do you mean re: aero? |
| 22:46.44 | eightyeight | or whoever it was. the airwaves broadcast company |
| 22:46.49 | RyanE | that one I disagree with. Aereo |
| 22:46.56 | RyanE | only because I live behind a big-ass mountain. |
| 22:46.58 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:48.24 | eightyeight | i haven't read the majority nor disent opinions |
| 22:48.32 | eightyeight | i'm barely familiar with it |
| 22:49.38 | eightyeight | aft |
| 22:53.55 | shalkie | Wasn't there a decision today too? |
| 22:54.26 | fungus | Oberon4278, or are you referring to the warrantless cell phone searches? |
| 22:54.52 | fungus | Or the religious exemptions for corporations? |
| 22:54.54 | fungus | etc? |
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| 23:07.16 | shalkie | Limelight vs Akamai was decided last month. Could it be that? |
| 23:07.44 | shalkie | And now I hate the patent system just a little bit more. :( |
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