| 00:00.21 | ldav15 | Sloth takes a lot of hard work. |
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| 00:18.07 | eightyeight | sanity check: http://ae7.st/p/04q |
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| 00:34.09 | supaplex | or tr -d \: :) |
| 00:35.32 | supaplex | eightyeight: anyway, your keyart does not appear to match. |
| 00:35.49 | eightyeight | for 2 reasons: |
| 00:36.25 | eightyeight | 1- the keyart(1) command is used for processing openpgp keys, which uses sha1 fingerprints rather than openssh using md5. as such, the board is slightly larger to accomodate the additional travel |
| 00:37.13 | eightyeight | 2- the characters are different intentionally to show frequency. openssh missed the boat on that one, unfortunately |
| 00:37.52 | eightyeight | as a result of #1, the bishop hits the walls at different points in the fingerprint with the keyart(1) command versus openssh |
| 00:38.02 | eightyeight | this creates subtle differences in direction of travel |
| 00:38.15 | eightyeight | however, by and large, the shape should remain mostly the same |
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| 01:41.42 | eightyeight | supaplex: side-by-side comparisons of the same fingerprint betwen openssh and openpgp using the same ascii art characters: http://ae7.st/p/5rx |
| 01:42.54 | supaplex | I see. I wasn't aware it was semiconforming to each other. |
| 01:43.42 | jnbek | whoa, it's a supaplex |
| 01:43.52 | jnbek | haven't seen you around in forever |
| 01:44.48 | eightyeight | supaplex: see https://pthree.org/2013/05/30/openssh-keys-and-the-drunken-bishop/ |
| 01:45.07 | eightyeight | as well as https://pthree.org/2014/04/18/the-drunken-bishop-for-openpgp-keys/ |
| 01:45.28 | eightyeight | code here: https://github.com/atoponce/keyart |
| 01:45.31 | eightyeight | :) |
| 01:45.50 | supaplex | =) |
| 01:46.44 | eightyeight | some additional fun: http://sshvis.appspot.com/ |
| 01:48.18 | supaplex | my plate is woefully oversubscribed. I'm taking a break from Apple (Juniper Networks consultant/resident engineer) after 2 1/2 years. Looking for a new home in the bay area. |
| 01:48.43 | eightyeight | supaplex: ah. not in utah anymore, eh? |
| 01:49.09 | supaplex | except for short visits, not for 4 1/2 years. |
| 01:49.34 | eightyeight | last i had heard from you, was about the time you applied at guru labs. so, 2008-ish |
| 01:49.44 | eightyeight | maybe 2009, actually |
| 01:53.56 | supaplex | I was interested in guru labs before I applied at Juniper (Ogden TAC). Career has served me well. |
| 01:54.23 | supaplex | have a large chunk of time I need to take off, so making use of it now in the quiet season. :) |
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| 15:10.35 | Oberon4278 | So I finally downloaded TOR and checked out the Silk Road last night. Somehow I expected it to be more exciting. |
| 15:11.50 | Oberon4278 | Instead it was... a list of stuff I could get off your average corner in Dorchester. |
| 15:11.59 | Oberon4278 | Plus lots of forgeries and fakes. |
| 15:12.47 | fungus | I'm sure all the really good sellers have fled since the first "raid". |
| 15:36.33 | youtah | I have no idea how to classify this....... |
| 15:36.50 | youtah | It is NSFW? Maybe? It's a playboy magazine, entirely in braille http://imgur.com/gallery/pNKde9M |
| 15:37.13 | youtah | makes me wonder if it is entirely fak |
| 15:37.14 | youtah | fake |
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| 16:25.33 | romanovic | you guys see this SCOTUS ruling on the software patent case? http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-298_7lh8.pdf |
| 16:26.43 | romanovic | I just read it. I guess it was too much to hope that they would outright invalidate software patents, but they do reinforce that you can't patent abstract ideas, and implementing any non-patentable process in computer software does not make it patent-eligible |
| 16:27.26 | unum | the abstract idea thing is the one that really bothers me |
| 16:28.14 | romanovic | which is big. there are a lot of "a system and method for (some obvious process)... on a computer/the internet" patents |
| 16:28.46 | RyanE | youtah: I don't know if it's fake, the blind character in Sneakers reads a braille Playboy. I think it might be a real thing. |
| 16:28.50 | unum | there's a big difference in my mind between patenting RSA and patenting public key encryption |
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| 17:27.57 | jnbek | youtah: no, those are real. I first saw on on the BART train in Oakland back in the late 80s |
| 17:28.21 | jnbek | I was a bit perplexed to the fact that there were blind pplz who were perverts too |
| 17:28.57 | jnbek | I guess it takes all kinds |
| 17:32.58 | RyanE | Maybe they were perverts before they were blind. :) |
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| 17:40.26 | manithree | So there really are people who get Playboy "just for the articles" |
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| 17:47.45 | Oberon4278 | Doesn't Playboy have "letters"? |
| 17:48.13 | Oberon4278 | Of the "I can't believe this happened to me, but..." type? |
| 17:51.58 | jlp_znc | Oberon4278: I think that's Penthouse |
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| 17:52.53 | jlp_znc | best article in Playboy that I ever read started something like this: "and God created the earth, and then he created the dinosaur bones and caused them to appear very old..." |
| 17:53.19 | Oberon4278 | XD |
| 17:53.53 | joshh_ | i haven't seen a playboy in about 10 years, but i used to enjoy the articles and interviews, they were generally pretty good, interesting, and candid |
| 17:54.19 | joshh_ | these days i just look at r/iama |
| 17:54.26 | Oberon4278 | ....they actually have articles? |
| 17:56.27 | joshh_ | the articles are the best part about the mag |
| 17:56.50 | joshh_ | the pics are just airbrushed nipples and maybe a little corner of a landing strip |
| 17:57.07 | joshh_ | not even worth it |
| 17:57.30 | joshh_ | its like a regular mens magazine with some R rated pics |
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| 18:13.15 | Oberon4278 | and was disappointed to find out that she looks just like any other nude model |
| 18:13.15 | Oberon4278 | I guess I was hoping the crazy would show through or something? I dunno |
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| 18:19.14 | eightyeight | yay. netsplits. |
| 18:19.22 | eightyeight | let's see if freenode ops have an explanation, or if we just deal with it |
| 18:19.23 | joshh | freenodes explanations are usually "don't know, but i think we might be getting a dos' |
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| 18:21.19 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference sometime 2014! openwest.org | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
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| 18:29.07 | Oberon4278 | You can actually figure out what causes a netsplit? |
| 18:31.14 | jxqz | freenode servers generally span 'the intarwebz' generally, so I imagine that it's really good at indicating traffic problems of 'the interweb' itself |
| 18:31.27 | Oberon4278 | ah ok |
| 18:31.35 | jxqz | just guessing |
| 18:32.10 | jxqz | certainly general errors of that type would cause split nets |
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| 19:20.09 | levi | IRC is kind of a screwy protocol as well. |
| 19:21.58 | levi | <- writing an IRC server for fun |
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| 19:22.57 | levi | I have also just completed a very minimal bluetooth stack, but it was not fun. |
| 19:23.07 | jxqz | knowing levi it will be written in forth |
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| 19:23.38 | levi | The IRC server is in haskell. The bluetooth stuff is in very boring C. |
| 19:24.13 | \31337 | probably I am more likely to use forth |
| 19:24.17 | \31337 | he would use lisp |
| 19:25.41 | levi | It might be fun to put a Forth on this WICED dev board. |
| 19:26.19 | Q_Continuum | writing an IRC server for fun. |
| 19:26.24 | jxqz | why not just go for brainf!ck or the like? |
| 19:26.36 | jxqz | or however you're supposed to spell that |
| 19:26.39 | Q_Continuum | Why not find something "fun" that is more productive and less masochistic? |
| 19:26.48 | Q_Continuum | :P |
| 19:27.25 | \31337 | irc has limitations in its protocol that restrict more advanced collaboration |
| 19:27.36 | levi | Well, I have an actual use case in mind for the IRC server. |
| 19:27.45 | \31337 | it is an old thing that needs to catch up with society |
| 19:28.11 | jxqz | levi is going to use an irc server to keep track of his finances |
| 19:28.27 | levi | Um, no. |
| 19:28.48 | jxqz | \31337: what do you think is limited about irc? |
| 19:29.12 | \31337 | it needs to add something like subsets and supersets of collaboration. context is lacking |
| 19:29.26 | jxqz | I still prefer irc over every other chat system |
| 19:29.36 | levi | What do you mean by "subsets and supersets of collaboration"? |
| 19:29.37 | jxqz | probably because it's so easy to run irc in a terminal |
| 19:29.38 | \31337 | while it is true that you can /ignore, that isn't effective at segregating discussion |
| 19:30.33 | levi | The irc protocol itself can handle arbitrary groupings of people quite easily, actually. They're just called channels. |
| 19:30.55 | levi | People just don't use it that way. |
| 19:31.00 | jxqz | I also find irc's multiplied, awkward lists of server, channel, bot flags and commands to be vexing and obfuscating |
| 19:31.34 | levi | Yeah, that stuff is definitely a mess. |
| 19:31.53 | levi | PSYC is an interesting chat protocol. |
| 19:34.56 | \31337 | does it allow any sort of hierarchy |
| 19:38.20 | \31337 | "there are no hierarchies or boundaries" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Neustradamus/PSYC |
| 19:38.50 | levi | I'm not sure why you'd want hierarchies. |
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| 19:41.25 | \31337 | o.t.o.h. "The master will then forward the data down the tree of recipients." - same page |
| 19:43.43 | jlp_znc | has been using IRC since 1989 |
| 19:44.05 | jlp_znc | it is still just as useful and usable. we use it internally here at linkedin for all operational communications |
| 19:44.35 | jlp_znc | when there are general site issues, a specific channel is created for the issue (named after the JIRA issue number) and everyone congregates there to work out the problem |
| 19:44.40 | \31337 | it is difficult to see why you would want to /ignore anyone at your company, though. |
| 19:45.15 | jlp_znc | teams also use IRC for collaboration, for example, let's say I'm talking to a co-worker and want to send him a link... paste it into the #cloud channel and zing. he's got it. |
| 19:45.40 | jlp_znc | if he's away, he'll get it when he gets back. none of that goofy "are you there?" crap that you see on jabber |
| 19:46.23 | jlp_znc | I can idle in a channel (like #noc) and when someone says my name my client tells me there is something there for me to read. |
| 19:46.46 | jlp_znc | but I'm not plagued with popups getting in my face if I'm heads down on a bug |
| 19:47.52 | Q_Continuum | It doesn't do voice/video or screen-sharing, and I can't tie it into a conference room system :P |
| 19:47.58 | jlp_znc | bots handle things like history, tracking of issues, etc. if I paste a jira issue, a bot will immediately advise the channel of the name, etc. |
| 19:48.04 | Q_Continuum | (I like IRC as well, plan to set up my own for internal automation stuff) |
| 19:48.10 | jlp_znc | Q_Continuum: exactly! that's another benefit! |
| 19:48.21 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 19:48.26 | levi | Part of the point of this server I'm writing is to integrate it with things. |
| 19:48.55 | jlp_znc | levi: you might want to consider writing an IRC service instead of a server. |
| 19:49.10 | Q_Continuum | ^ |
| 19:49.40 | levi | I've actually got the bulk of the client/server communication finished. |
| 19:49.51 | \31337 | also, are any of your issue numbers password-protected |
| 19:50.26 | jlp_znc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.36 | \31337 | there is not a way to disclude anyone from a conversation |
| 19:50.56 | \31337 | how will you keep them on-topic |
| 19:50.56 | jlp_znc | \31337: kick them from the channel. I'd demonstrate, but I don't have privs on #utah :-) |
| 19:51.15 | jlp_znc | and yes, some discipline is necessary, but we're all adults here. |
| 19:51.43 | jlp_znc | basic irc rule: channels are cheap. you can always make a new one. |
| 19:51.50 | \31337 | there must be some concern about trust or you would not have collaboration at all. |
| 19:52.55 | \31337 | and if you do have a conversation that implements trust-related controls, and then only use half the system, unrelated context will leak through that network. |
| 19:53.54 | Q_Continuum | You can also whitelist channels. |
| 19:53.59 | jlp_znc | we have collaboration because different people have different skills and perspectives |
| 19:54.03 | Q_Continuum | I have a private one I use just for myself. Unauth'd I get kicked. |
| 19:54.49 | Q_Continuum | Heck, I know we have an internal production desktop tool that uses IRC for communication on the back-end. |
| 19:54.56 | jlp_znc | and there is nothing stopping you from using an encryption layer on top of IRC |
| 19:55.01 | Q_Continuum | What all it does beyond that I don't know |
| 19:55.26 | levi | Most IRC clients support secure connections now. |
| 19:56.19 | jlp_znc | levi: I mean some encryption of channel/message traffic.. not client -> server or server <-> server |
| 19:57.07 | jlp_znc | I'm not saying IRC is perfect... the star layout definitely leaves some stability on the floor |
| 19:57.39 | jlp_znc | but it defintely scratches my itch for IM |
| 19:58.18 | jlp_znc | http://www.codeux.com/textual/wiki/Encrypted-Chat.wiki |
| 20:01.13 | jlp_znc | also https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/ |
| 20:05.56 | \31337 | secure or private communication is not neccessarily the step up from irc's channel system that was needed in the first place. it may be possible however to create bots which would forward comments from participants to interested parties; that would lead to a model where each irc luser would have or use a separate channel. |
| 20:06.46 | youtah | http://imgur.com/gallery/rlu4IEH |
| 20:09.10 | youtah | 2 professional soccer players vs 33 kids.... http://imgur.com/gallery/OtMqrUB |
| 20:11.14 | joshh | im a die hard irc fan and hater of all other types of chatting, but it would be nice if irc had some standard authentication mechanism beyond just channel keys and whatnot |
| 20:11.54 | joshh | we can't put our company irc on the internet with no vpn required, which is a big reason why some people decided to get hipchat |
| 20:12.03 | joshh | though we will still have irc as well |
| 20:12.14 | joshh | just won't be used by marketing and finance types |
| 20:16.26 | \31337 | or it may be that the next thing from the standard topic-related public channels is just a way to remove unrelated comments so as to polish and aggregate content. |
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| 20:19.20 | youtah | jnbek & harleypig http://i.imgur.com/qhUNiEX.gif |
| 20:20.15 | harleypig | youtah: that's an old c&h video |
| 20:21.55 | youtah | that doesn't mean it's not fantastic! |
| 20:24.23 | youtah | Okay, fine then |
| 20:24.26 | youtah | how about THIS one |
| 20:24.27 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/bt4Oanf.jpg |
| 20:27.26 | \31337 | to say, I want to type where everyone interested in ## will notice; I picture a channel where, if you join, the /topic is a list of ##.# and then you get redirected to a random member of this list; where, if you type, a bot echoes your comments in a hidden channel named ##.anyone, which it lists as subscribing to a subset of the channels named ##.# |
| 20:28.08 | levi | joshh: ircv3.1 specifies SASL authentication. I think I set it up for connecting to freenode. |
| 20:29.45 | joshh | ya, hipchat is going to be tied into our okta 2 factor thing though |
| 20:31.26 | jxqz | irccoin |
| 20:31.35 | jxqz | ftw |
| 20:31.37 | jxqz | ? |
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| 20:36.24 | \31337 | to say, I want to type where everyone interested in ## will notice; I picture a channel where, if you join, the /topic is a list of ##.# and then you get redirected to a random member of this list; where, if you type, a bot echoes your comments in a hidden channel named ##.anyone, which it lists as subscribing to a subset of the channels named ##.# |
| 20:36.50 | \31337 | and then if you /msg the bot a command, it can create a channel called ##.what and then add all the ##.anyone channels as subscribers to ##.what |
| 20:37.35 | joshh | i have to say, this code spaces story is crazy and scary... think of all the companies are 100% on amazon without real backups or even good 2fa/IAM/etc |
| 20:37.39 | joshh | http://www.codespaces.com/ |
| 20:42.16 | fozzmoo | Yeeesh |
| 20:42.59 | joshh | hugs his baremetal |
| 20:43.00 | jxqz | hey, I posted that yesterday :( |
| 20:43.02 | jxqz | :) |
| 20:43.16 | jxqz | clouds can evaporate? |
| 20:43.18 | harleypig | youtah: graon |
| 20:43.47 | \31337 | <jlp_znc> I can idle in a channel (like #noc) and when someone says my name my client tells me there is something there for me to read. |
| 20:44.13 | \31337 | does it seem like an improvement if you we idling in multiple places like #a.noc and #b.noc |
| 20:44.22 | harleypig | \31337: irccloud does that |
| 20:46.05 | joshh | people idle in tons of places and get notified of their hilights just fine |
| 20:46.08 | \31337 | harleypig, so it works in this scenario where I create #a.what and #a.noc recieves all comments I type in #a.what ? |
| 20:46.55 | joshh | \31337: stop being a bad person with bad ideas about chat |
| 20:46.56 | harleypig | Oh. No. Irccloud just pops up a window telling you that something matched your highlight rules in #whatever |
| 20:46.59 | \31337 | I imagine you would have to notify some entity that #a.what was a thing |
| 20:47.28 | harleypig | However, you can do that as a plugin for irssi |
| 20:47.39 | jxqz | but the whole point of chat is that it's unstructured |
| 20:48.05 | \31337 | real systems are not philosophers, I don't expect to developers to adhere to points. |
| 20:48.13 | jxqz | it's bad enough when you get into a channel with /kick-brandishing topic worshippers |
| 20:48.36 | \31337 | s/expect to/expect/ |
| 20:48.40 | jxqz | I don't want to have to speak in meter and rhyme on irc |
| 20:49.57 | \31337 | I don't see the problem; woud the ops be different |
| 20:50.19 | \31337 | if so, why are the ops different in ## than in #a |
| 20:51.08 | harleypig | I read back the last little bit of what you've said \31337 but I'm not quite understanding what it is you want. |
| 20:51.25 | harleypig | You want stuff said in #a to appear in #b? |
| 20:51.51 | \31337 | it just means that irc is not complex enough to redirect joiners to an overly broad channel to any random related channel. |
| 20:51.56 | joshh | that makes no sense... if you care what is said in #a then you join it |
| 20:52.15 | \31337 | no, and the only way to say something in #a or #b would be to message the appropriate bot. |
| 20:52.25 | Zefram | Anyone else with Windstream VoIP just have their service bite it? |
| 20:52.41 | harleypig | \31337: it's possible to force a joiner to another channel ... it's happened to me on occasion when joining a defunct channel. |
| 20:52.55 | harleypig | I don't know the mechanism, but it's happened. |
| 20:52.59 | \31337 | yes, it just appears to me that this feature is overly simplistic. |
| 20:53.11 | harleypig | irc is simplistic by design. |
| 20:53.24 | \31337 | it will always do the same thing: if I join #a, it will always give me #a.a |
| 20:53.39 | \31337 | so #a.b loses importanc |
| 20:53.40 | \31337 | e |
| 20:53.42 | harleypig | what daemon are you running? |
| 20:53.49 | jxqz | #a.a.a.a.a |
| 20:53.54 | \31337 | I am not running an irc server |
| 20:54.11 | harleypig | Are you wanting to do this for a group of users, or just yourself? |
| 20:54.15 | jxqz | are you running an irc waiter? |
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| 20:54.32 | \31337 | that would take a fair bit more complexity, jqxz, though I can see that it is possible |
| 20:54.35 | harleypig | jxqz: that's so old fashioned ... they're called servers nows. |
| 20:54.39 | harleypig | s/s./s/ |
| 20:54.40 | jxqz | oh sure |
| 20:54.44 | harleypig | bleah |
| 20:54.51 | jxqz | bleach? |
| 20:54.58 | harleypig | that too |
| 20:55.52 | jxqz | NaOCl |
| 20:55.54 | harleypig | anyway ... \31337 this sounds like a job for a plugin (irssi, or whatever other client supports plugins) |
| 20:56.02 | \31337 | then again, it could simply rewrite the redirect rule while no one is looking |
| 20:56.46 | jxqz | you could write a client (or server, why not?) plugin that replaces everyone's comments with markov botspeak |
| 20:56.53 | \31337 | to my understanding, if you want service like this, you have to op the umbrella channel in the first place, and also be interested in writing the bot |
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| 21:01.52 | \31337 | it would have to be built to discourage lusers from /join ##.anyone, for example if your bot changes the redirect on the hour to ##.GMT or ##.MDT, then folks will start to get the hint that ##.anyone is a thing. this is bad because ##.weather will attract less lusers who are mainly interested in their own time zone. I would reccommend a completely random redirect after each /join to ## |
| 21:03.04 | jlp_znc | harleypig: that's a service thing (the thing where you joined a channel and found yourself on a different channel). services look a lot like servers, they see all of the relevant traffic (joins, parts, etc.) and it could see your join of the defunct channel and issue a part of that channel and a join to the new channel on your behalf. |
| 21:03.19 | jlp_znc | how your client handles that wouldn't be too clear to me, though. |
| 21:03.30 | jlp_znc | (it's been a while since I waded through the irc protocol) |
| 21:03.44 | youtah | SO COLD IN HERE |
| 21:03.47 | youtah | I am freezing |
| 21:03.56 | jlp_znc | pipe some of that cold over here, please! |
| 21:04.06 | youtah | flings scalding nacho cheese in fozzmoo's direction, but hits neybar_work instead |
| 21:04.23 | youtah | I am literally wearing my snuggie right now |
| 21:04.26 | fozzmoo | youtah: Didn't you bring your snuggie today? |
| 21:04.30 | fozzmoo | Oh, you did! |
| 21:04.33 | jlp_znc | weather says it's 71 here, but it felt warmer than that when I was out doing my one-on-one (we generally go for a walk around the campus) |
| 21:04.34 | youtah | I do have my snuggie! |
| 21:04.45 | youtah | My UofU snuggie |
| 21:04.46 | fozzmoo | There's a space heater under my desk that I rarely use. |
| 21:04.47 | \31337 | hoshh, as for "what is said in #a", nothing is said in #a. however the /topic would list all things that were said creating #a.sis #a.boom #a.bah |
| 21:04.53 | \31337 | s/hoshh/joshh/ |
| 21:05.01 | youtah | it's fantastic |
| 21:05.12 | romanovic | oh, lucky. |
| 21:05.24 | jlp_znc | \31337: I think you're trying to use a protocol mechanism to solve a social problem. |
| 21:05.29 | \31337 | yes. |
| 21:05.29 | romanovic | sits directly under an ac vent at work, and space heaters are forbidden |
| 21:05.32 | \31337 | thank you. |
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| 21:06.03 | jlp_znc | I remember back during the first gulf war... there was a single channel for "war news" that over 10000 people were on. that was a lot back then. |
| 21:06.37 | jlp_znc | it actually was managed pretty well ... most people were just there to "listen". we had people on the channel from e.g. israel talking about how scuds were impacting near them. |
| 21:06.38 | goozbach | I want nachos! |
| 21:07.32 | jlp_znc | http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/communications/logs/Gulf-War/ |
| 21:07.52 | jxqz | ~nacho |
| 21:07.52 | infobot | Sometimes when you are a man you wear stretchy pants in your room all by yourself. |
| 21:09.57 | jlp_znc | it was interesting especially because it was kind of the first social media of a live event... we were hearing real time about events that wouldn't make the news (CNN) for several hours |
| 21:10.33 | \31337 | I actually head about the events on 11 sep 2001 in #debian |
| 21:10.39 | \31337 | *heard |
| 21:11.07 | jxqz | jlp_znc: if at all |
| 21:11.20 | jlp_znc | ahh, yes. I remember that day. it was the day after 90% of flipdog.com was laid off... there were about 30 of us left and we spent most of the day sitting around the TV in the kid's room |
| 21:11.24 | jlp_znc | jxqz: indeed |
| 21:11.52 | jxqz | you worked for a company called flipdog? |
| 21:11.57 | jxqz | dotcom?! |
| 21:11.57 | jlp_znc | I did |
| 21:12.10 | jxqz | standards for "startups" were pretty low back then? |
| 21:12.11 | jlp_znc | flipdog.com -> TMP Worldwide/Monster.com |
| 21:12.41 | jxqz | how many hot dogs did you sell? |
| 21:12.51 | jlp_znc | I was not in marketing ;-) |
| 21:13.24 | jlp_znc | finding a name for a company was no easier then than it is now |
| 21:13.39 | jlp_znc | someone had a dog that liked to do flips... the company was born. |
| 21:13.49 | jlp_znc | it was a spinoff from whizbang! labs. |
| 21:14.14 | jlp_znc | technology demonstration that grew to exceed the life of it's parent. whizbang closed their doors months before flipdog. |
| 21:14.36 | jlp_znc | I knew the writing was on the wall when our biggest competitor (monster.com) bought us. |
| 21:15.43 | \31337 | for a journalism-related discussion, say like #mynews, you could join, say, #mynews.syria and everyone there would hear what you say. just, each time you said something, the bot in #mynews would attempt to /join #mynews.mynick; and then feed all comments from #mynews.syria to #mynews.mynick |
| 21:17.43 | \31337 | for a complete #a.a.a.a.a such as jqxz suggested, it woul likely go to #mynews.syria.mynick instead. |
| 21:19.13 | jlp_znc | \31337: interesting idea... I kind of see where you are going with it. |
| 21:19.59 | jlp_znc | so if I were monitoring #mynews, and someone "created" (i.e. joined) #mynews.syria, #mynews would get a notice or something about the new sub-channel |
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| 21:20.14 | jlp_znc | if I were interested in syrian news (or news about syria?) I could join the subchannel |
| 21:20.27 | jlp_znc | if not, I'd just ignore said message on #mynews and continue monitoring |
| 21:20.39 | jlp_znc | I'd think you would want to ensure no one talked on those upper-level channels |
| 21:20.45 | \31337 | the thing I had thought of was that #mynews is +mute, so no one can talk, and that modifications sould go to the /topic |
| 21:20.52 | joshh | ya, irc is a subscription type thing |
| 21:21.15 | jlp_znc | I think you could fake something like that up with existing irc and an appropriately written bot |
| 21:21.20 | joshh | also these fake channel names are making me twitch |
| 21:23.12 | \31337 | though notices from the management would be possible also, and you could even do both, such as noticing all unique changes and then every hour changing the /topic to display the complete list. |
| 21:26.57 | \31337 | the one thing it has me wondering about is the maximum length of a channel name |
| 21:27.18 | \31337 | mostly because you can get some folks with really long /nick's |
| 21:30.14 | \31337 | also if there was something like #mynews.syria then you would probably want an rss feed for that on available via http. |
| 21:32.43 | youtah | lol fozzmoo I see that you found my Snuggie Selfie at work |
| 21:32.51 | fozzmoo | Yuh. |
| 21:33.27 | youtah | OH GREAT! Now the NSA KNOWS WHAT MY SNUGGIE LOOKS LIKE! |
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| 21:35.22 | jxqz | time for a new snuggie |
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| 21:58.11 | \31337 | what I have found out is that in order to perform the redirect function at all it has to be performed by an oper, which has access to /msg operserv ; meaning greater privileges than an op would have. |
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| 22:45.40 | eightyeight | http://user.xmission.com/~atoponce/art.html |
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