| 00:05.33 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@cpc18-camd14-2-0-cust433.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 00:36.22 | *** join/#utah tristanbob_l (~tristanbo@c-76-23-13-173.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:49.59 | *** part/#utah Nemus (~Nemus@unaffiliated/nemus) |
| 01:06.16 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@cpc18-camd14-2-0-cust433.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 01:08.51 | *** join/#utah Snowrider (~Snowrider@75-162-191-237.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 01:19.40 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@cpe-107-015-189-013.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:19.40 | *** mode/#utah [+v emcnabb] by ChanServ |
| 01:59.27 | *** join/#utah jalbretsen (~jalbretse@71-213-25-27.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 02:03.36 | *** join/#utah jiraffe (uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bosqqlvfphbfdcbq) |
| 02:07.02 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@cpc18-camd14-2-0-cust433.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 02:55.13 | *** join/#utah tiwula (~lane@74-81-251-156.static.logl001.digis.net) |
| 03:00.53 | levi | jxqz: I'm a science chief! |
| 03:06.37 | TodPunk | I just happen to be a chief, and a scientists, but separately |
| 03:06.45 | TodPunk | Yes, I am a scientists |
| 03:06.59 | TodPunk | every day is a struggle |
| 03:08.14 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@cpc18-camd14-2-0-cust433.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 03:08.15 | levi | I have written a very basic bluetooth stack. |
| 03:08.49 | levi | It talks to a CSR dev board over a serial port, asks it for its BD_ADDR, and parses the response! |
| 03:10.27 | levi | The bluetooth specification is ginormous, BTW. |
| 03:11.06 | TodPunk | levi: yes, and a mess of over-engineered crap |
| 03:11.37 | TodPunk | bluetooth is basically the devil of embedded wireless, and like the devil, it's required by anything fun you might want to do with others |
| 03:12.21 | levi | Well, the HCI interaction model is pretty simple, once you figure out which of the various parts of the spec you need to look at. |
| 03:13.46 | levi | Look *here* for descriptions of commands and arguments, *over here* for packet formats, *yet another place* for how to actually talk to the various interfaces. |
| 03:15.19 | TodPunk | mhmmm |
| 03:16.12 | TodPunk | when all it REALLY wants to do is pair things wirelessly, and then send media back and forth, which sounds so NOT complicated if you control all the endpoints, and shouldn't be much MORE complicated if you use a sane, already proven model like any number of network protocols |
| 03:16.42 | TodPunk | instead, we're on Bluetooth 4.x I believe, and it STILL is buggy as hell and hard to use |
| 03:16.55 | levi | 4.1, yes. |
| 03:18.32 | TodPunk | basically, what I'm over-saying here is, I hate bluetooth, and I still use it in my care |
| 03:18.34 | TodPunk | *car |
| 03:19.05 | levi | Well, point me at some cross-vendor standard, besides perhaps the core of Ethernet, that does something non-trivial and isn't buggy as hell and hard to use. |
| 03:19.45 | levi | Bluetooth stuff works *way* better than UPnP/DLNA stuff, for example. |
| 03:20.39 | TodPunk | depends on what you want to do with Bluetooth. I don't think there exists a standard that wants to be speakers/microphone/video/network/vpn/time/storage/etc |
| 03:20.44 | levi | And DLNA was supposed to fix the issues that UPnP created by not actually specifying anything except some lame-ass discovery and RPC mechanism. |
| 03:21.19 | TodPunk | well, other than bluetooth, that is |
| 03:21.20 | levi | Yet it also avoided specifying the stuff that must actually exist for things to talk to one another. |
| 03:21.34 | TodPunk | yeah, UPnP and DLNA are niche |
| 03:21.41 | TodPunk | because of their lack |
| 03:23.52 | levi | Well, there are layers to Bluetooth. I think it does a reasonable job of defining layers based on sound networking principles and then defining "profiles" that combine the bits in useful ways. |
| 03:24.44 | TodPunk | granted, if you want a billion things to talk to each other and you want to only create one of the things, you DO need that definition of all the things |
| 03:25.01 | levi | It's just there's a lot of room for varying interpretations of the spec, and the fact that it's mostly implemented in embedded devices means you can't apply in-the-field bugfixes nearly as easily. |
| 03:25.46 | TodPunk | RPC mechanisms are the light-weight way of saying "no functionality but what you agree on" and bluetooth is the heavy-weight of saying "only the functionality we have defined 6 ways. You'll have to implement 4 of them. We don't know which 4." |
| 03:26.22 | TodPunk | Personally I'm a fan of layers like they have |
| 03:26.32 | TodPunk | I think that's my bias as a network guy |
| 03:26.43 | levi | Layers like which "they" has? |
| 03:26.54 | TodPunk | "they" being bluetooth specs |
| 03:26.59 | levi | Ahh, yeah. |
| 03:27.08 | TodPunk | I use the OSI model in my thinking in networking, so it transposes well |
| 03:28.09 | levi | It was bewildering to me when I first discovered that the nice high-quality stereo audio doesn't go over the "audio" data path. :P |
| 03:28.25 | levi | Though it's a lot clearer to me why now. |
| 03:28.32 | TodPunk | Yes |
| 03:28.52 | TodPunk | like Java EE, once you have fully drunk the koolaid, it looks like rainbows all the way to valhalla |
| 03:30.29 | levi | So, I ended up having to hack the Linux kernel bluetooth stack while doing development prototypes on Pandaboards. |
| 03:30.47 | TodPunk | never a good sign |
| 03:31.38 | TodPunk | of course, bluetooth is only half-there and highly misunderstood in the kernal, last time I checked (about 3 years ago). I doubt they've made a whole lot of improvement (why the hell would you want bluetooth in linux? Oh wait, now it's the future and there are pandaboards...) |
| 03:31.41 | levi | Turns out some patch from Android-land had changed some data structure used to communicate over a bluetooth system call. Of course, the userland version of the structure I had didn't have the android patch.... |
| 03:32.00 | TodPunk | oh? |
| 03:32.10 | TodPunk | Which version did you patch? |
| 03:32.19 | TodPunk | I take it you don't have the option of changing the userland version |
| 03:33.13 | levi | Well, I could have changed that one, but I was already digging around the kernel and I figured it'd be more sane to get the kernel bits more in line with how they normally are. |
| 03:33.34 | TodPunk | I thought android was how they normally are |
| 03:34.00 | levi | Nope. The bluez stack is maintained in the mainline kernel. |
| 03:34.25 | levi | The android guys, of course, muck with everything. And the platform-specific android guys muck even more. |
| 03:35.02 | levi | ARM Linux kernels are a complete disaster area. |
| 03:36.08 | TodPunk | I am intimately aware. I'd like to never be intimately aware again unless not at the mercy of the hardware engineering morons handing me ARM devices |
| 03:36.16 | levi | The twisty maze of dependencies between the various parties and repositories is mind-boggling. |
| 03:38.00 | levi | Anyone who thinks "embedded Linux" is a great idea for a company without a pre-existing team of Linux kernel engineers needs to experience the utter chaos that is ARM Linux development. |
| 03:38.42 | levi | Well, actually, it's probably not so terrible if you have a nice support contract from the vendor. |
| 03:39.17 | levi | Assuming they've got a reasonable dev team and their stuff isn't completely broken. But you'd better be sure the kernel version they pick to support has what you need. |
| 03:39.43 | TodPunk | yeah, a working "setup" from the vendor of the chipset is basically a requirement |
| 03:40.13 | TodPunk | I don't mind adding drivers for a custom display or usb devices I created in-house or something |
| 03:40.57 | levi | The mainline kernel folks pretty much universally despise the vendor coders, though, and tend to completely rewrite half the stuff on its way to mainline and drop the other half on the floor. |
| 03:41.47 | *** join/#utah kendsnyder (~Adium@71-219-137-125.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 03:42.30 | levi | What's really needed is an open source embedded-focused OS with fairly stable kernel APIs. |
| 03:42.39 | levi | Or, heaven forbid, a microkernel architecture. |
| 03:43.40 | TodPunk | to be honest, the mainline kernel folks SHOULD despise the vendor coders, who build edge cases galor in their crap. One of the reasons Linux is powerful is because you can both ignore vendors and make their bad hardware decisions their own pain, and you can simultaneously work with vendors to get good generalized code for their hardware into the kernel when it's not going to muck with everything |
| 03:44.03 | TodPunk | levi: I still think doing an ebedded OS in a Forth would be nice |
| 03:44.25 | TodPunk | You've have to port Swift or Java or something to it, unfortunately |
| 03:44.29 | levi | Could be nice, but would have its own kind of pain involved, I think. |
| 03:45.03 | TodPunk | yeah, it would be great to make the OS/microkernel, but a pain to make useable for the things people want to use embedded devices for |
| 03:45.24 | levi | I agree that the vendor coder code is pretty crap, but the end result is that all our Pandaboards are more or less worthless now. |
| 03:46.04 | levi | seL4 is the new microkernel hotness. |
| 03:46.06 | TodPunk | yup |
| 03:46.27 | TodPunk | oh? I had not heard of this |
| 03:48.02 | TodPunk | Huh, looks interesting. I'll have to remember it if I get dragged back into embedded dev in the near future |
| 03:48.10 | levi | L4 is a modern microkernel architecture that started out as a proof that you could make a microkernel pretty fast. There have since been multiple reimplementations of the basic idea. The seL4 version was formally verified to meet its specification, is compiled via a formally-verified C compiler, and is also the fastest of the latest implementations. |
| 03:48.47 | levi | It's got a capability-based security model, too. |
| 03:51.22 | levi | I think it's okL4 that has shipped as the OS for billions of cell phone baseband processors. |
| 03:52.34 | TodPunk | if I ever do my own home automation stuff, this may make a LOT of sense to use, assuming I want to go the embedded route |
| 03:52.41 | TodPunk | someday... someday... |
| 03:55.15 | TodPunk | goes to handle non-tech business for the household |
| 03:55.23 | levi | L4 microkernel with servers written in Rust. Mmm. |
| 04:08.56 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@cpc18-camd14-2-0-cust433.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 04:12.48 | *** join/#utah bgerber (~gerberb@suse103.zenez.com) |
| 04:25.25 | *** join/#utah yukaia (~yukaia@174-23-119-147.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:38.18 | *** join/#utah SMIlV (~jxqz@107.170.248.19) |
| 04:40.05 | jxqz | oh sure, have a conversation that I started vicariously |
| 04:41.51 | levi | Hah. |
| 05:02.45 | *** join/#utah Nemus (~Nemus@unaffiliated/nemus) |
| 05:09.17 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@cpc18-camd14-2-0-cust433.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 05:54.30 | *** join/#utah jnbek (~jnbek@209.141.55.72) |
| 05:54.31 | *** join/#utah jnbek (~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek) |
| 05:57.53 | *** join/#utah jnbek (~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek) |
| 06:10.05 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@cpc18-camd14-2-0-cust433.20-2.cable.virginm.net) |
| 06:56.09 | davido__ | Man, C++ regexes are a pain to use. |
| 07:04.12 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@host86-178-176-217.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) |
| 07:42.40 | levi | Well, yeah. C++. |
| 08:26.27 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@host86-178-176-217.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) |
| 08:26.27 | *** join/#utah Guest42748 (~Tristan@2001:1948:212:face::4) |
| 08:26.27 | *** join/#utah undertakingyou (~undertaki@c-67-171-113-60.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah StealthTaco (~SausageAs@198.183.219.9) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah OldCoder (~OldCoder@unaffiliated/oldcoder) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah dumby_PC (~dumby@204.246.140.162) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah \31337 (~mdasoh@173-14-238-114-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah utlemming (~ben@97-118-226-197.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah mrpull (~jpollmann@216.51.56.98) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah Q_Continuum (~qlaras@li292-181.members.linode.com) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah yukaia-work (~yukaia@198.183.219.9) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah mkf (telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-jqzyrpwynbugygcj) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah RyanE (rberick@shell.xmission.com) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah levi (~levi@c-174-52-89-43.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah janderson__ (~janderson@50-202-143-210-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah eightyeight (~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah davido__ (~davido@c-50-168-241-168.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah ldav15 (~ldavis@23.30.55.129) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah romanovic (~romanovic@puritynine.com) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah tristanbob (~quassel@2001:1948:212:0:6862:b77d:f689:72af) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah sodaplayer (~sodaplaye@192.241.229.26) |
| 08:26.35 | *** join/#utah goozbach (~goozbach@fedora/goozbach) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah siel (~siel@unaffiliated/motley) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah rsimpkins (~rsimpkins@host1.ryansimpkins.com) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah dremex_work (~kerry@71.37.95.86) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah skrike (~jeff@nineteen.eightyfour.org) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah sontek (~sontek@sontek.xen.prgmr.com) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah Jayce^ (~jayce@74-220-196-98.unifiedlayer.com) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah Zefram (~Zefram@unaffiliated/zefram) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah uxp (~uxp@hplogsdon.net) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah Tene (~tene@poipu/supporter/slacker/tene) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah tvc123 (~tcameron@192.34.60.42) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah pixelgremlinz_1 (~pixelgrem@199.30.184.11) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah stderr (~stderr@truedat.org) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah JPaul (~JPaul@jager.allenrdco.com) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah gnord (~gog@unaffiliated/snowghost) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah unum (~unum@truecomputing.biz) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah programmerq (~jefferya@saffron.programmerq.net) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah joshh_ (josh@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:c9dd) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah d3c4f (~d3c4f@198.183.219.10) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah lahwran (~lahwran@python/site-packages/lahwran) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah BLZbubba (~mark@pdpc/supporter/professional/blzbubba) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah peno (~irc4me@c-98-202-160-116.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah gshipley (~gshipley@138.91.145.100) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah RegionSyx (~ehurst@216.51.42.66) |
| 08:26.36 | *** join/#utah spangborn (~spangborn@216.51.232.249) |
| 08:26.36 | *** mode/#utah [+vvo eightyeight goozbach Jayce^] by card.freenode.net |
| 08:27.20 | *** join/#utah ldav15_ (~ldavis@2602:ae:17e0:af00:a60:6eff:fec5:8b8e) |
| 08:27.20 | *** join/#utah jlp_znc (jlp@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3238) |
| 08:27.20 | *** join/#utah fugue88 (~dsowen@fugue88.ws) |
| 08:27.20 | *** join/#utah fungus (fungus@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe96:4597) |
| 08:27.21 | *** join/#utah zenojis (~quassel@2604:3400:dc1:45:216:3eff:fe76:3263) |
| 08:27.21 | *** join/#utah L34N (~L34N@unaffiliated/l34n) |
| 08:27.21 | *** join/#utah harleypig (sid15959@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxhorxcbunmivroq) |
| 08:27.21 | *** join/#utah jxqz (~jxqz@107.170.248.19) |
| 08:27.21 | *** join/#utah jsmith (~jsmith@fedora/jsmith) |
| 08:28.14 | *** join/#utah bgerber (~gerberb@suse103.zenez.com) |
| 08:28.31 | *** join/#utah supaplex (~supaplex@71-94-44-244.static.trlk.ca.charter.com) |
| 08:28.36 | *** join/#utah TodPunk (Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 08:33.00 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (~fozz@209.41.95.5) |
| 08:42.15 | *** join/#utah eightyeight (~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight) |
| 08:42.15 | *** join/#utah fozzmoo (~fozz@209.41.95.5) |
| 08:42.15 | *** join/#utah supaplex (~supaplex@71-94-44-244.static.trlk.ca.charter.com) |
| 08:42.15 | *** join/#utah bgerber (~gerberb@suse103.zenez.com) |
| 08:42.15 | *** join/#utah spangborn (~spangborn@216.51.232.249) |
| 08:42.15 | *** join/#utah RegionSyx (~ehurst@216.51.42.66) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah gshipley (~gshipley@138.91.145.100) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah peno (~irc4me@c-98-202-160-116.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah BLZbubba (~mark@pdpc/supporter/professional/blzbubba) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah lahwran (~lahwran@python/site-packages/lahwran) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah d3c4f (~d3c4f@198.183.219.10) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah joshh_ (josh@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:c9dd) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah programmerq (~jefferya@saffron.programmerq.net) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah unum (~unum@truecomputing.biz) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah gnord (~gog@unaffiliated/snowghost) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah JPaul (~JPaul@jager.allenrdco.com) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah stderr (~stderr@truedat.org) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah pixelgremlinz_1 (~pixelgrem@199.30.184.11) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah tvc123 (~tcameron@192.34.60.42) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah Tene (~tene@poipu/supporter/slacker/tene) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah uxp (~uxp@hplogsdon.net) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah Zefram (~Zefram@unaffiliated/zefram) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah Jayce^ (~jayce@74-220-196-98.unifiedlayer.com) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah sontek (~sontek@sontek.xen.prgmr.com) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah skrike (~jeff@nineteen.eightyfour.org) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah dremex_work (~kerry@71.37.95.86) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah rsimpkins (~rsimpkins@host1.ryansimpkins.com) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah siel (~siel@unaffiliated/motley) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah goozbach (~goozbach@fedora/goozbach) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah sodaplayer (~sodaplaye@192.241.229.26) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah tristanbob (~quassel@2001:1948:212:0:6862:b77d:f689:72af) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah romanovic (~romanovic@puritynine.com) |
| 08:42.16 | *** join/#utah ldav15 (~ldavis@23.30.55.129) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah davido__ (~davido@c-50-168-241-168.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah janderson__ (~janderson@50-202-143-210-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah levi (~levi@c-174-52-89-43.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah RyanE (rberick@shell.xmission.com) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah mkf (telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-jqzyrpwynbugygcj) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah yukaia-work (~yukaia@198.183.219.9) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah Q_Continuum (~qlaras@li292-181.members.linode.com) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah mrpull (~jpollmann@216.51.56.98) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah utlemming (~ben@97-118-226-197.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah \31337 (~mdasoh@173-14-238-114-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah dumby_PC (~dumby@204.246.140.162) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah OldCoder (~OldCoder@unaffiliated/oldcoder) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah undertakingyou (~undertaki@c-67-171-113-60.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah Guest42748 (~Tristan@2001:1948:212:face::4) |
| 08:42.17 | *** mode/#utah [+vov eightyeight Jayce^ goozbach] by card.freenode.net |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@host86-178-176-217.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah ldav15_ (~ldavis@2602:ae:17e0:af00:a60:6eff:fec5:8b8e) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah jlp_znc (jlp@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3238) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah fugue88 (~dsowen@fugue88.ws) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah fungus (fungus@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe96:4597) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah zenojis (~quassel@2604:3400:dc1:45:216:3eff:fe76:3263) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah L34N (~L34N@unaffiliated/l34n) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah harleypig (sid15959@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxhorxcbunmivroq) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah jxqz (~jxqz@107.170.248.19) |
| 08:42.17 | *** join/#utah jsmith (~jsmith@fedora/jsmith) |
| 09:08.51 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol_ (~Yaris@host86-178-176-217.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:17.56 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@host86-178-176-217.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:22.59 | *** join/#utah pr0tocol (~Yaris@host86-178-176-217.range86-178.btcentralplus.com) |
| 10:49.32 | *** join/#utah olli_ (~olli@c-71-195-232-74.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 11:32.22 | *** join/#utah Tristan_ (~Tristan@c-76-23-13-173.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 11:58.31 | *** join/#utah Tene (~tene@mail.digitalkingdom.org) |
| 11:58.31 | *** join/#utah Tene (~tene@poipu/supporter/slacker/tene) |
| 12:25.48 | *** join/#utah olli_ (~olli@c-71-195-232-74.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 12:29.29 | *** join/#utah olli_ (~olli@c-71-195-232-74.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 12:50.33 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (emcnabb@nat/redhat/x-gtvgudkonzeirksb) |
| 12:50.33 | *** mode/#utah [+v emcnabb] by ChanServ |
| 13:38.24 | *** join/#utah \31337 (~mdasoh@173-14-238-114-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 13:51.02 | *** join/#utah Migs (~Migs@205.122.50.64) |
| 13:58.11 | *** join/#utah smcquay (~smcquay@17.226.13.44) |
| 14:05.58 | *** join/#utah RyanE (rberick@shell.xmission.com) |
| 14:13.05 | *** join/#utah undertakingyou (~undertaki@neutroninteractive-xmission.xmission.com) |
| 14:32.44 | *** join/#utah jalbretsen (~jalbretse@sonic.itransact.com) |
| 14:59.20 | *** join/#utah Heartsbane (tsharpe@shell.xmission.com) |
| 14:59.20 | *** join/#utah Heartsbane (tsharpe@unaffiliated/heartsbane) |
| 15:00.25 | *** join/#utah kendsnyder (~Adium@67.214.245.39) |
| 15:04.31 | *** join/#utah pdayton (~pjdayton@67.21.63.146) |
| 15:12.26 | *** join/#utah TimRiker (~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker) |
| 15:12.26 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 15:16.32 | *** join/#utah bgerber (~gerberb@suse103.zenez.com) |
| 15:29.26 | levi | Man, packet diagrams in little-endian format always screw with my head. |
| 15:33.15 | youtah | lol |
| 15:33.37 | jxqz | levi: the big ender |
| 15:33.46 | jxqz | s/the/a/ |
| 15:33.53 | jxqz | ~nacho |
| 15:33.53 | infobot | Do you remember when the people were shouting my name and I used my strength to rip my blouse? |
| 15:38.17 | levi | Well, IP networking stuff tends to be big-endian. |
| 15:38.26 | youtah | uhg. I cannot get this second display working |
| 15:44.44 | jsmith | youtah: First world problems... |
| 15:48.20 | youtah | yes, yes it is |
| 15:48.33 | youtah | it is one of the mini apple display ports.... in a lenovo |
| 15:49.01 | jsmith | youtah: Which Lenovo? |
| 15:49.04 | youtah | wait, no it's not... it's a mini hdmi |
| 15:49.21 | jsmith | youtah: Only the DisplayPort 1.2 ports support multiple monitors from a single plug |
| 15:49.21 | youtah | the IT guy that setup my system is just using an apple display adapter |
| 15:49.36 | youtah | T530 |
| 15:50.11 | jsmith | Ah, the beast :-) |
| 15:50.35 | jsmith | lugged around a T510 for two years (with the slice battery on the bottom, etc) |
| 15:50.49 | jsmith | is now carrying a sportier model :-) |
| 15:51.10 | youtah | It is a beast |
| 15:51.23 | youtah | it tried to eat me twice already |
| 15:53.03 | *** join/#utah jiraffe (uid28187@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgittatzufltwcgi) |
| 15:56.08 | Q_Continuum | No, the beast would be a W series :P |
| 16:10.48 | jxqz | youtah: you need a display 'splitter', whatever that is |
| 16:11.44 | *** join/#utah SunSparc (~jonathan@67.214.247.226) |
| 16:14.10 | *** join/#utah bmurdock (~user@216.51.42.66) |
| 16:24.23 | jsmith | youtah: If it were DisplayPort, you'd need one of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F90H9DC/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00F90H9DC&linkCode=as2&tag=myexample-20&linkId=VM7X45J7EMRSA47Y |
| 16:24.29 | jsmith | apologizes for the long link |
| 16:24.59 | jxqz | yet another example of amazon's unhelpful URLs |
| 16:26.08 | Q_Continuum | You can drop it after the BOOF section ends |
| 16:26.11 | Q_Continuum | I always do |
| 16:26.23 | Q_Continuum | The rest is tracking junk |
| 16:30.36 | jxqz | that's still the majority of the cruft though |
| 16:31.18 | jxqz | my favorite is the girl who wrote out an entire amazon url to santa in crayon |
| 16:51.45 | *** join/#utah SunSparc (~jonathan@67.214.247.226) |
| 16:58.47 | programmerq | yeah, any time I drop an amazon link, I hand-shorten it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F90H9DC |
| 17:04.21 | *** join/#utah youtah (~youtah@69-195-66-178.unifiedlayer.com) |
| 17:14.59 | fozzmoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.38 | programmerq | I like that ane even more. :) |
| 17:27.48 | *** join/#utah smcquay (~smcquay@17.226.13.44) |
| 17:32.26 | jxqz | that's nice for a shortlink, but a meaningful url looks like http://amazon.com/computer_parts/Accell_K088B-002B_DisplayPort_1.2_to_DisplayPort_Multi-display_Adapter/ |
| 17:57.58 | jlp_znc | so there has been some kind of "healthy" push going on here for a while... they recently had a presentation about "sugary drinks" |
| 17:58.08 | davido__ | !@@#$%... I spent 90 minutes last night working on trying to figure out why I wasn't getting a regex to match in some C++11 code. Finally gave up and went to bed. This morning I discovered I've got gcc/g++ 4.8, and full regex support didn't come until 4.9. Now ***WHY*** did the compiler not tell me that? :) |
| 17:58.12 | jlp_znc | the tag line was something like "you wouldn't eat 22 packets of sugar, would you?" |
| 17:58.20 | jlp_znc | I was like, "hellz yeah!" |
| 17:58.56 | jlp_znc | davido__: you mean regexp is built into the language now? you don't have to use a library for it? |
| 17:59.32 | davido__ | It's part of the C++11 standard; comes with several engines. The closest to PCRE is ECMAScript based. |
| 17:59.46 | jlp_znc | cool. well, as cool as C++ can be. |
| 17:59.52 | davido__ | But it didn't get built into gcc until the most recent release. |
| 18:00.23 | davido__ | So the gcc /g++ compiler would happily allow me to #include <regex>, to create a re object, to even try to match... not a word of warning. Just NO MATCH. |
| 18:01.04 | jlp_znc | not nice |
| 18:01.35 | davido__ | The compiler will barf 10000 lines of vomit if I mess up a template. But use an incompletely implemented std::regex class, not a word. |
| 18:01.50 | jlp_znc | should have at least gotten a warning like "hey, full regexp support isn't in this version... try a later version" |
| 18:02.32 | davido__ | Yes, or "std::regex implementation is incomplete (or stub-only) in libstdc++ 4.8" |
| 18:02.50 | davido__ | It was probably closer to two hours wasted. |
| 18:03.06 | *** join/#utah ponderability (~ponderabi@155.99.246.86) |
| 18:03.09 | davido__ | Installed 4.9 today, and now it all works. |
| 19:09.40 | *** join/#utah smcquay_ (~smcquay@17.114.152.204) |
| 19:12.00 | *** join/#utah Snowrider (~mwest@155.98.80.76) |
| 19:22.35 | *** join/#utah fungus (fungus@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe96:4597) |
| 19:27.34 | *** join/#utah resplin (~richard@67-207-123-138.static.wiline.com) |
| 19:35.56 | *** join/#utah resplin_ (~richard@67-207-123-138.static.wiline.com) |
| 19:45.30 | jlp_znc | woot, PNY Optima 240GB SSD for $90 after rebate from tigerdirect. |
| 19:53.49 | *** join/#utah youtah (~youtah@69-195-66-178.unifiedlayer.com) |
| 19:55.11 | youtah | jlp_znc, I tried giving you a ring yesterday |
| 19:56.22 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: do you do the rebates? I look at "after rebate" as "if you can get it" and I just assume I never will. |
| 19:58.36 | youtah | That sucks http://www.ksl.com/?sid=30345392&nid=711&fm=home_page&s_cid=toppick4 |
| 19:58.57 | *** join/#utah tristanbob (~quassel@2001:1948:212:0:6862:b77d:f689:72af) |
| 20:02.00 | *** join/#utah ponderability (~ponderabi@155.99.246.86) |
| 20:02.05 | *** join/#utah Oberon4278 (~dcrooksto@38.112.155.163) |
| 20:12.47 | *** join/#utah Greagle (~greagle@c-76-23-60-71.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:15.11 | *** join/#utah Greagle (~greagle@c-76-23-60-71.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah ponderability (~ponderabi@155.99.246.86) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah undertakingyou (~undertaki@neutroninteractive-xmission.xmission.com) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah jnbek (~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah neybar_work (~quassel@74-220-196-120.unifiedlayer.com) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah nage (~nathan.ge@unaffiliated/nage) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah opapo (~quassel@204.113.97.239) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah tomstokes (~tom@www.tomjstokes.com) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah pashdown (freenode@peteashdown.org) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah Gate (~gate@unaffiliated/gate) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah kim27 (~kim27@199.192.164.179) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah copec (copec@schrodbox.unaen.org) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah fadein (~fadein@c-76-23-32-157.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:21.25 | *** join/#utah ksb (~ksb@serenity.averageurl.com) |
| 20:34.20 | *** join/#utah infobot (~infobot@rikers.org) |
| 20:34.20 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds | OpenWest Conference sometime 2014! openwest.org | https://fiber.google.com/cities/provo/ |
| 20:34.20 | *** mode/#utah [+o infobot] by ChanServ |
| 20:34.59 | jsmith | ~cheer |
| 20:34.59 | infobot | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
| 20:36.36 | *** join/#utah bmurdock (~user@216.51.42.66) |
| 20:36.36 | *** join/#utah pdayton (~pjdayton@67.21.63.146) |
| 20:36.36 | *** join/#utah olli_ (~olli@c-71-195-232-74.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:36.36 | *** join/#utah Nemus (~Nemus@unaffiliated/nemus) |
| 21:13.38 | *** join/#utah pdayton1 (~pjdayton@67.21.63.154) |
| 21:19.59 | *** join/#utah fungus (fungus@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe96:4597) |
| 21:21.03 | jlp_znc | TodPunk: I generally look at the rebate as though I'm not going to get it, but I send in the paperwork anyway :-) |
| 21:21.22 | TodPunk | good man |
| 21:32.17 | *** join/#utah utlemming (~ben@97-118-226-197.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 21:41.45 | jxqz | ~talk |
| 21:50.21 | eightyeight | http://fontawesome.io/ |
| 21:52.54 | *** join/#utah kendsnyder (~Adium@67.214.245.39) |
| 22:22.20 | *** join/#utah tristanbob_l (~tristanbo@2002:4c17:dad:0:c9c0:854c:b58b:9427) |
| 22:36.09 | eightyeight | http://lug.wsu.edu/node/414 |
| 23:05.34 | romanovic | eightyeight: haha... did I just see the Pied Piper logo in the lineup of font awesome icons? |
| 23:09.16 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: Ahhh. Those were the daze. |
| 23:17.23 | *** join/#utah tristanbob_l (~tristanbo@c-76-23-13-173.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:20.30 | *** join/#utah supaplex (~supaplex@71-94-44-244.static.trlk.ca.charter.com) |
| 23:39.07 | *** join/#utah \31337 (~mdasoh@173-14-238-114-Utah.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 23:56.12 | TodPunk | so, pashdown is getting Reddit Gifts as an office neighbor |
| 23:56.43 | TodPunk | I wonder if that will be cool or insignificant |
| 23:59.36 | *** join/#utah smcquay (~smcquay@17.226.13.44) |