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| 15:19.36 | skrike | wtf is youtah when you need him. |
| 15:27.25 | jxqz | ~seen youtah |
| 15:27.28 | infobot | youtah <~youtah@216.51.42.66> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3d 19h 41m ago, saying: 'Starting the process of cleaning off my old machine'. |
| 15:27.41 | jxqz | ~kronk |
| 15:27.42 | infobot | Oh yeah, it's all coming together. |
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| 16:02.59 | jxqz | why does centos 6 automagically upgrade to centos 7 when you do a yum update? |
| 16:06.31 | eightyeight | https://projecteuler.net/ is offline. :( |
| 16:14.23 | jxqz | :( |
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| 16:34.09 | jlp_znc | youtah is probably trying to figure out which way is up right now |
| 16:34.30 | jlp_znc | I think he was starting his new job this morning |
| 16:38.58 | Q_Continuum | jxqz: Wat |
| 16:40.29 | jxqz | ~napoleon youtah |
| 16:40.29 | infobot | ACTION tames a wild honeymoon stallion for youtah |
| 16:50.33 | jsmith | jlp_znc: Yeah, I'm sure they're getting him run through the wringer :-) |
| 16:53.41 | jlp_znc | first day is always an HR nightmare |
| 16:54.05 | jlp_znc | "hey, do you know how to sign your name? good, because you're going to do it a whole bunch of times." |
| 16:57.06 | fozzmoo | Yeah, saw youtah about an hour or so ago. He was being shown around. |
| 16:57.27 | Q_Continuum | I try to have a machine prepped for new users so when they have time they can get it customized with spare time; once they've got an account that is. |
| 16:57.38 | Q_Continuum | (Since they're often waiting on paperwork/others for access anyway) |
| 16:58.06 | jlp_znc | heh, spare time |
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| 16:59.14 | jlp_znc | here at linkedin they have a whole intro day for new hires. every monday, the new hires meet up and get their ID badges first, then go to a conference room for a full day of introductory material |
| 17:00.08 | jlp_znc | after they give HR their proof of ability to work in the US, they are issued their laptops and then there are several sessions by various teams introducing all of the things they will need to know |
| 17:01.15 | jlp_znc | finally, at about five PM, their manager and/or team come to get them and show them where their desks are. there is usually some general showing around at that point, too, such as who sits where and where the bathrooms, mini-kitchens, break rooms, etc. are |
| 17:01.27 | Q_Continuum | heh |
| 17:01.35 | Q_Continuum | We have no process |
| 17:01.46 | Q_Continuum | But we're a small team |
| 17:01.59 | jlp_znc | when you routinely have 20-30 people starting every week, you have to work out some kind of process |
| 17:02.40 | jxqz | I've generally found that materials coming from 'HR' can be promptly recycled without further consideration |
| 17:02.41 | Q_Continuum | Yeah |
| 17:02.52 | Q_Continuum | If we had that many bodies we'd have a system too |
| 17:03.12 | jlp_znc | jxqz: well, you do need to know something about your benefits, at least. |
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| 17:03.37 | jlp_znc | we got signed in to things like 401k system, espp, health insurance site, etc. |
| 17:03.54 | jxqz | reminds me of when I transferred to UU; they made all 1000 of us sit for 3 hours in a large room while 20 year old kids explained the internet and how to not fail classes to us |
| 17:04.20 | jxqz | they wanted us to all take a huge book that turned out to be the university catalog, *printed* |
| 17:04.25 | jlp_znc | heh heh... "so, if you don't want to fail, it's probably a good idea to actually go to class and do the work" |
| 17:04.40 | jxqz | fortunately I was able to opt out of the semi-required campus tour |
| 17:04.58 | jxqz | but later that semester I was billed ~$70 for the experience |
| 17:05.09 | jxqz | billed by the university |
| 17:05.15 | jlp_znc | billed for opting out? |
| 17:05.28 | jlp_znc | did you send them a bill back for three hours of your time? |
| 17:05.31 | jxqz | billed for all the wasteful crap they made us suffer through |
| 17:05.58 | jlp_znc | "oh, here's my check for $70... and my bill for $300 for the three hours of time you required me to waste" |
| 17:06.11 | jxqz | totally |
| 17:06.16 | jlp_znc | "consider yourselves lucky I'm giving you a discount" |
| 17:07.10 | jlp_znc | I generally don't mind orientation-type activities, but charging you for it seems a little over the top |
| 17:08.37 | jlp_znc | as I recall, at MSU we were handed a map and our schedule. we did have an orientation during our high school senior year, though. I don't remember if we had to pay for that or not. |
| 17:10.29 | jlp_znc | I suspect we paid for the dorm room (one night) and the meals at least... possibly the bus trip, too, but I think the school covered that. |
| 17:12.40 | jxqz | we were all transfers, so ostensibly we already knew what we were doing |
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| 17:35.40 | TodPunk | jxqz: they do those because most people would turn them down if they had a choice and most of those same people would turn around and wonder, "How do I college?" |
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| 18:01.05 | Tene | So, I've run into a linux issue that I'm not sure where to start trying to troubleshoot. As of a few days ago, X doesn't receive scroll-down events, either from my laptop touchpad, or an external mouse. xev doesn't show it receiving those events at all, just nothing happens. |
| 18:02.30 | joshh_ | if xev doesn't show it, that's pretty weird |
| 18:02.31 | jlp_znc | cool! |
| 18:03.53 | Tene | Also, using xmonad, sometimes focus-follows-mouse stops working. Sometimes it starts again after switching desktops. |
| 18:03.53 | jlp_znc | have you tried artificially sending an event with xsendevent? |
| 18:04.57 | Tene | I haven't! |
| 18:05.12 | Tene | Anyone know how to manually grab events out of /dev/input/* ? |
| 18:06.55 | Tene | Is there a simple command-line wrapper around xsendevent already? |
| 18:08.53 | Tene | Ah, evtest |
| 18:11.08 | Tene | It still shows up properly on /dev/input/event19, so it's lost somewhere between there and getting to individual windows; I suppose something running could be grabbing the event before individual windows see it. |
| 18:15.20 | Tene | There was some kind of utility that would show a tree of X windows or something? starting with a root window? I'm not particularly familiar with how X works at that level. |
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| 18:18.43 | Tene | Oh, that's interesting... while it's in that broken mode where I can't switch focus with the mouse, running xwininfo gives an error: "Can't grab the mouse." |
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| 18:37.56 | jlp_znc | Tene: I think xlswin can do that... but I don't appear to have it installed at the moment. |
| 18:39.38 | Tene | jlp_znc: xlsclients |
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| 18:40.38 | Tene | I've now been sidetracked by trying to deal with web browser problems. Chrome won't render anything in the content area besides flat gray, and firefox always crashes on startup with: out of memory: 0x0000000000000010 bytes requested |
| 18:40.58 | jlp_znc | wheee! |
| 18:41.56 | Tene | This is a very minimally modified install. I installed ubuntu on this laptop for consistency with my co-workers, but I've had nothing but trouble with it. |
| 18:41.56 | jlp_znc | stealing that event sounds like something a window manager or pager app would do... you're not running compiz, are you? |
| 18:42.03 | Tene | No, xmonad. |
| 18:42.51 | Tene | I was going to figure out the window id that was grabbing it with gdb, but then I was foolish and attached to the X process with gdb from inside X and so had to power-cycle. |
| 18:43.07 | Tene | Now I can't get any web browsers to actually function. |
| 18:45.12 | Tene | although apparently whatever it was that kept grabbing my cursor and filtering scroll down events isn't running any more. |
| 18:45.38 | jlp_znc | yeah, rebooting would probably have that effect. :-/ |
| 18:45.56 | jlp_znc | perhaps your browser(s) are confused by locks left behind with the sudden reboot? |
| 18:46.02 | Tene | The only difference in my X clients is: |
| 18:46.06 | Tene | -sweeks-laptop google-chrome-stable |
| 18:46.07 | Tene | +sweeks-laptop google-chrome |
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| 18:47.35 | jlp_znc | I've seen X get confused with things like it thinking modifier keys are down when they're not, but usually it is something that injects events like synergy, x11vnc, or something along those lines that is the culprit |
| 18:47.53 | jlp_znc | haven't seen it decide to eat just one direction of scroll events, though. that's a new one. |
| 18:48.09 | jlp_znc | has been working with X since X10 |
| 18:49.03 | Tene | Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a misbehaving client. |
| 18:49.38 | Tene | Ah, the command I was looking for was: xwininfo -root -children |
| 18:49.54 | Tene | erm, s/children/tree |
| 18:50.14 | Tene | Well, time to stop shaving yaks and get some work done. |
| 18:51.04 | jlp_znc | I'll be real yak shavers hate it when we say stuff like that |
| 18:52.47 | jlp_znc | aww, now my poppadoms are all soggy. waited too long to take the cover off my lunch. |
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| 18:53.01 | Tene | D: |
| 18:54.24 | jlp_znc | well, they have a little crunch left in them. I guess they'll have to do. I'm not walking back to the cafeteria for more, that's for sure. |
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| 20:26.13 | youtah | licks the webhost servers |
| 20:26.19 | youtah | no longer licks the NAND |
| 20:26.44 | fozzmoo | It's an acquired taste. |
| 20:26.56 | youtah | I dunno, tastes kind of nummy |
| 20:29.08 | youtah | First Day at BH |
| 20:29.11 | youtah | Woot! |
| 20:36.34 | jlp_znc | hey hey, youtah! |
| 20:39.27 | jxqz | ~napoleon youtah |
| 20:39.28 | infobot | ACTION makes youtah feed Tina |
| 20:46.08 | fozzmoo | Haw haw. youtah's battery died. |
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| 20:54.05 | jsmith | fozzmoo: :-) |
| 20:54.36 | fozzmoo | jsmith: He came over here looking for a spare Lenovo power supply. I guess the one they gave him doesn't work with his laptop. |
| 20:54.47 | fozzmoo | I let him use my spare. |
| 20:55.06 | jsmith | fozzmoo: Lovely... |
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| 20:55.44 | jlp_znc | fozzmoo: so, you no longer have a spare, then. |
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| 21:00.28 | youtah | and I'm back |
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| 21:01.26 | supaplex | moo |
| 21:01.29 | fozzmoo | wb youtah |
| 21:01.51 | jlp_znc | youtah, you should look into a setup like mine... I run a tmux session on my linode with irssi in it. I connect to the linode with mosh. if my connection goes away or moves to a different IP or something, mosh automatically reconnects for me |
| 21:02.05 | fozzmoo | http://i.imgur.com/BrswccR.jpg |
| 21:02.28 | fozzmoo | jlp_znc: That's kind of what I do too. |
| 21:02.41 | fozzmoo | wonders what mosh is |
| 21:02.57 | jlp_znc | http://mosh.mit.edu/ |
| 21:03.12 | fozzmoo | Looks cool. Could be useful. :) |
| 21:03.27 | jlp_znc | it's the bee's knees if you want to keep an ssh session open from your laptop which might come up on any of a bunch of different networks |
| 21:03.31 | fozzmoo | Do you have to run anything on the server side? |
| 21:03.33 | jsmith | just uses bip on a colo server |
| 21:03.44 | jlp_znc | you just have to have it installed. it uses ssh to set up the initial connection. |
| 21:03.45 | jsmith | fozzmoo: I'm happy to share my setup with you :-) |
| 21:04.27 | fozzmoo | installs mosh |
| 21:09.55 | RyanE | dig the mosh. |
| 21:10.24 | RyanE | I use screen -> mosh -> screen |
| 21:10.34 | RyanE | or byobu instead of screen. either/or. |
| 21:10.43 | jxqz | mosh has *glaring security faults* |
| 21:10.48 | jxqz | just letting you know |
| 21:11.08 | jxqz | actually, the conditional is that "it's not as analyzed as ssh" |
| 21:11.13 | jlp_znc | glares at jxqz |
| 21:11.15 | jxqz | whatever that means |
| 21:11.40 | jxqz | I've been using tmux locally and screen(s) remotely |
| 21:12.15 | jxqz | but screen itself is not usable enough by itself so I use my own screen wrapper |
| 21:12.30 | jxqz | to manage profiles |
| 21:12.54 | jlp_znc | I used to use screen a lot, but I've really embraced tmux |
| 21:13.39 | RyanE | I like mosh because it's fun to see it correct itself when it applies things locally that "didn't really happen". :) |
| 21:14.30 | jlp_znc | yeah, it tries to predict what your screen should look like, but it also doesn't try to hide from you the fact that it is doing that |
| 21:14.39 | RyanE | yeah, it's cool. |
| 21:15.11 | jlp_znc | I only found mosh because of the JuiceSSH client on Android, that included it. I was a little incredulous at first, but after about five minutes of using it I was like "how did I ever manage without this?" |
| 21:15.47 | fozzmoo | Sounds like someone needs to do a PLUG presentation. |
| 21:16.11 | jlp_znc | PLUG... that's some kind of user groupy thing, right? :-) |
| 21:16.26 | fozzmoo | :) Something like that. |
| 21:17.09 | RyanE | XMission advertises it when you ssh into shell.xmission.com |
| 21:17.14 | RyanE | that's where I heard of it. |
| 21:17.42 | fozzmoo | Cool! |
| 21:17.50 | fozzmoo | pashdown: Nice. |
| 21:17.57 | RyanE | I figure if it's good enough for them, good enough for me. :) |
| 21:18.19 | fozzmoo | RyanE: Usually a fairly safe assumption... unless eightyeight is trying to get you to vote for some psycho wacko. ;-) |
| 21:18.39 | RyanE | Now I'm a liar, since it doesn't advertise it on login anymore. MOTD changed == fail. :) |
| 21:18.55 | RyanE | I don't consider pashdown a psycho wacko. :) |
| 21:19.01 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 21:19.21 | RyanE | actually thought his takedown / notices talk at OpenWest was my favorite keynote EVAR. |
| 21:19.23 | jlp_znc | he ran for office, so there *must* be something wrong with him. |
| 21:19.26 | RyanE | true |
| 21:19.39 | jlp_znc | I'm hard pressed to identify it, though. |
| 21:20.34 | fozzmoo | US Senate, 2006 and 2012. |
| 21:22.35 | jxqz | jlp_znc: at least he didn't win, because only the truly strange are ever actually elected |
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| 21:25.32 | youtah | Dangit fozzmoo!!! Did you just crop dust my cubical? |
| 21:27.36 | tristanbob | light a candle, youtah |
| 21:28.08 | eightyeight | if pashdown is a psycho wacko, then i'm proud to have a psycho wacko for a boss |
| 21:28.33 | TodPunk | well, he is, but not in a bad way |
| 21:29.08 | fozzmoo | No, I would never suggest that about pashdown |
| 21:29.25 | fozzmoo | He's cool. |
| 21:30.03 | TodPunk | You act like the two are mutually exclusive. The most interesting and inspiring people I know are people I would consider crazy. |
| 21:30.24 | TodPunk | If all you have going for you is that you seem safe and average, you are fairly useless as a person |
| 21:30.41 | jsmith | I've never seem him act in a way that I would describe as "crazy" or "psycho" |
| 21:30.50 | jsmith | That being said, he's not boring or "safe", either :-) |
| 21:31.04 | fozzmoo | I typically don't want psycho wackos representing me politically... but yeah, they're interesting and inspiring. ;-) |
| 21:31.06 | TodPunk | jsmith: he uses DSL |
| 21:31.13 | TodPunk | just throwing that out there |
| 21:31.20 | fozzmoo | hee. |
| 21:31.57 | jsmith | TodPunk: I'm sure he'd probably rather not, but it's just a tool... |
| 21:32.01 | eightyeight | i'm curious who fozzmoo thinks i would be advocating then |
| 21:32.12 | TodPunk | fozzmoo: in all actuality, if someone was more open about thair wackiness I'd be more comfortable electing them because most politicians are just masking their oddity |
| 21:34.10 | TodPunk | jsmith: that's just the practicality and inspirational aspect of his choice, which is what makes it interesting, not abnormal or odd. He is tenaciously devoted to his services. That's pretty psycho, but in an amazing way. I mean that, he takes that devotion to a level that's absurd to the industry he works in, and it turns out that makes xmission better |
| 21:34.32 | jxqz | all politicians that TodPunk likes are wierdos |
| 21:34.40 | jxqz | starts a "discussion" |
| 21:34.58 | TodPunk | jxqz: it's a pool of one, so that's not a far fetched idea =cP |
| 21:35.18 | unum | http://the-toast.net/2014/06/09/erotica-written-someone-appropriate-sense-privacy/ |
| 21:35.34 | unum | as you can tell from the url, that may be nsfw |
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| 21:36.04 | unum | it may be if only I could understand it.... |
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| 21:37.27 | TodPunk | the difference between psychosis and oddity we tolerate or enjoy and those we fear is that we like the ones that are proven to be useful or ingenius, or at least can sell it better. The crazy homeless guy is the same, just not directed in a way that produces anything of value. Both minds work in a ways that see the world fundamentally differently. The areas they see differently just don't always work out well for them. =c/ |
| 21:37.58 | TodPunk | basically, we're very results oriented people, and those results better be superficial to be appreciated =cP |
| 21:39.17 | TodPunk | unum: this is awesome |
| 21:40.09 | TodPunk | I totally disagree with some of what I think it's trying to say, but it is an amazing way to say it and thought provoking regardless of its posittion |
| 21:41.14 | TodPunk | gets ready to leave the office |
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| 22:09.13 | fungus | Gavin Andresen, Chief Scientist of Bitcoin Foundation, "Bitcoin is still a work in progress, and you should only risk time or money on it that you can afford to lose." |
| 22:12.35 | jxqz | fungus: I'm a chief scientist |
| 22:12.47 | jxqz | somewhere, probably |
| 22:20.41 | supaplex | fungus: yo! ^5 |
| 22:20.51 | fungus | howdy |
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