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| 01:30.28 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: why are you in San Jose? |
| 01:35.29 | jlp_znc | TodPunk: working at LinkedIn |
| 01:35.43 | jlp_znc | I'm living in San Jose... working in Mountain View |
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| 01:38.34 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: there is only San Jose and San Francisco. The only reason you differentiate further is if you're giving directions. |
| 01:38.54 | TodPunk | Next you'll be talking about Fremont or Palo Alto as if they matter |
| 01:39.11 | TodPunk | kidding aside, that's pretty cool. |
| 01:39.20 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: you moving out there, or just on a contract thing? |
| 01:40.35 | jlp_znc | well, I'm here, but the family is still in SLC for up to a year at this stage |
| 01:40.44 | jlp_znc | everything is still kind of up in the air |
| 01:40.54 | jlp_znc | I've got a solid year commitment here |
| 01:41.04 | jlp_znc | after that, we'll see what happens |
| 01:41.25 | TodPunk | good deal |
| 01:42.00 | TodPunk | definitely couldn't go back to CA myself, the price (as you're noticing) is just too high |
| 01:42.17 | TodPunk | but it's great if you love climate =c) |
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| 02:46.27 | Tene | I live in Sunnyvale and work in mountain view |
| 02:47.42 | Tene | The price is high, but the pay is high enough to help. :) |
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| 03:12.43 | spangborn | jlp_znc: Hopefully you'll help them fix all their shitty security ;) |
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| 03:17.08 | jlp_znc | Tene, my problem was needing to maintain a mortgage in SLC while also living out here. If I didn't have the house, I could afford a killer apartment or even rent a house out here no trouble. |
| 03:17.25 | jlp_znc | spangborn: unfortunately, I'm more likely to cause additional security issues. :-/ |
| 03:17.39 | spangborn | jlp_znc: Eh, I doubt that. You've got a solid head on your shoulders. |
| 03:17.59 | spangborn | LinkedIn just likes to do things like MitM as a Service. |
| 03:18.01 | jlp_znc | if I were on the security team, I might be able to do something |
| 03:18.26 | spangborn | What are you working in over there, as far as language? |
| 03:18.28 | jlp_znc | but I'm on the data team... my stuff is about two layers away from the front lines |
| 03:18.36 | spangborn | Ah, gotcha. |
| 03:18.54 | spangborn | Little less responsibility for security stuff there, thankfully |
| 03:19.01 | jlp_znc | I can pretty much use whatever I want, but the standards are python and java. there is a lot of scala and some pressure to use more goLang |
| 03:19.23 | spangborn | Nice. |
| 03:19.28 | spangborn | I need to spend some time learning Go. |
| 03:19.40 | jlp_znc | in general, SREs try to stick to python or shell scripting, but no one freaks out if you whip out some perl for a quick and dirty data munge. |
| 03:19.55 | jlp_znc | well, maybe some people freak out, a little. :-) |
| 03:20.01 | spangborn | Cool. Well hopefully it goes well for you - sucks to be away from the family, I"m sure. |
| 03:20.28 | jlp_znc | yeah, that's the hardest part. lots going on at home that I need to be involved in. |
| 03:20.55 | spangborn | Are you eventually going to be able to be remote, or looking at relocating the fam? |
| 03:20.59 | levi | jlp_znc: Where are you at? |
| 03:21.10 | jlp_znc | still, with skype and cell phones, I suppose we will manage |
| 03:21.18 | jlp_znc | levi, living in the south bay area |
| 03:21.29 | jlp_znc | living in san jose, working at linkedin in mountain view |
| 03:21.40 | levi | Ah, OK. Cool. |
| 03:21.41 | jlp_znc | been here six weeks now |
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| 03:23.36 | jlp_znc | I'm loving the work, company ethic and culture, and the people, but wishing I were back in Utah. |
| 03:24.46 | jlp_znc | my room/apartment is right in the landing pattern for SJC... all evening I watch jets slide down the path towards the airport right out my window |
| 03:25.08 | jlp_znc | saw a C-130 earlier this evening... maybe the same one doing aproaches at |
| 03:25.15 | jlp_znc | Moffet field yesterday |
| 03:26.35 | spangborn | That's kinda cool. |
| 03:27.17 | jlp_znc | it is if you love airplanes (like I do) |
| 03:27.30 | jlp_znc | I grew up on air force bases, so I'm no stranger to jet noise. |
| 03:28.20 | jlp_znc | also got the light rail station right in front of the house. good thing I love trains, too. :-) |
| 03:28.29 | spangborn | Haha, perfect. |
| 03:28.38 | spangborn | How's the light rail compare to TRAX? |
| 03:28.44 | jlp_znc | much much slower |
| 03:29.34 | jlp_znc | if I took the light rail to get to work, it would take over an hour and a half. as it is, I take caltrain (kind of like front runner) and am there in 20 minutes (either route requires taking a "last mile" shuttle) |
| 03:29.45 | spangborn | Ah, nice. |
| 03:29.51 | jlp_znc | caltrain station is about a six minute walk from here |
| 03:30.01 | jlp_znc | so I get a little exercise, too |
| 03:30.05 | spangborn | Not bad at all, considering the usual weather patterns. |
| 03:30.13 | jlp_znc | I've lost 10 pounds since moving out here. |
| 03:31.18 | jlp_znc | I can attribute some of that to the healthier food options in the cafeteria, but most goes to all of the walking I've been doing (I don't have a car here yet) |
| 03:31.28 | spangborn | Haha, nice. |
| 03:32.03 | jlp_znc | still, it is way cool to jump on the caltrain on a saturday and spend the day in San Francisco |
| 03:32.20 | jlp_znc | linkedin provides a caltrain pass, so it doesn't cost me anything. |
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| 04:08.28 | programmerq | has been in san francisco this week |
| 04:08.37 | programmerq | I'm flying back to SLC now (at the airport) |
| 04:08.42 | programmerq | my feet are very tired from all the walking. |
| 04:15.56 | levi | What were you doing there? |
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| 16:09.42 | shalkie | I am going to drop this right here... http://paddy.io/talks/tek14-summit/ |
| 16:09.45 | shalkie | walks away |
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| 16:24.55 | hiWIt | ~kronk |
| 16:24.55 | infobot | Well, I had a great time; let's not wait till the next family reunion to get back together. |
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| 16:29.46 | tvc123 | shalkie: that link really makes you think ... really a hard problem to grasp |
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| 17:55.46 | eightyeight | shalkie: i never got that pm from you |
| 18:10.01 | shalkie | Huh. I will resend it. |
| 18:10.07 | shalkie | eightyeight: ^^ |
| 18:11.06 | eightyeight | are you identified with nickserv? |
| 18:11.21 | eightyeight | i block unidentified private messages |
| 18:11.27 | eightyeight | /mode eightyeight +R |
| 18:12.11 | shalkie | Oh! Well that would do it. I didn't identify cause the SSL is broken in this client. |
| 18:12.25 | eightyeight | temp removes +r |
| 18:12.34 | eightyeight | k. go for it |
| 18:13.26 | shalkie | Cool, thanks eightyeight |
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| 18:19.47 | eightyeight | i see firefox 30 fixed the annoying tab closing bug introduced in 29 |
| 18:20.46 | jxqz | firefox: we fix bugs in later releases we introduce in earlier releases |
| 18:21.25 | harleypig | omg |
| 18:21.38 | jxqz | 0mq |
| 18:23.06 | eightyeight | ~0mq++ |
| 18:24.12 | harleypig | youtah: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=469648629836663&set=a.200308183437377.50140.199877613480434&type=1&relevant_count=1 |
| 18:24.15 | harleypig | might be nsfw |
| 18:24.23 | harleypig | certainly nsfe |
| 18:24.26 | harleypig | (eyes) |
| 18:25.22 | goozbach | what |
| 18:25.45 | eightyeight | shakes his head |
| 18:25.49 | shalkie | goozbach: It probably is nsfg (not safe for goozbach) too... |
| 18:25.59 | shalkie | :) |
| 18:26.22 | jxqz | all I see is numbers |
| 18:27.57 | eightyeight | http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/mormon-activists-who-pushed-for-acceptance-of-women-gays-thr |
| 18:28.13 | eightyeight | so much for 'love you neighbor' |
| 18:28.20 | eightyeight | s/you/your/ |
| 18:39.07 | fungus | The LDS church changes it's policies after enough people start objecting. This will change too, maybe in a few decades or so. |
| 18:39.20 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 18:50.32 | fungus | Though it is sad for the believers to have to suffer for so long, until their PR department has enough leverage to force a "revelation". |
| 18:51.25 | joshh_ | there are different kinds of LDS members and they are also different kinds of "believers" |
| 18:52.32 | joshh_ | there are ones who fully swallow and believe the tale, magic rocks and everything, and accept all the rules and bans on lifestyles and types of people at face value because it must be what god wants, etc |
| 18:52.59 | eightyeight | which is plentiful in my family, unfortunately |
| 18:53.07 | joshh_ | and there are ones who want to be in a church because they think it's a good community or whatever, but want to make it more progressive and try pushing the rules |
| 18:53.21 | joshh_ | but they don't tend to actually believe the stories/doctrine, in my experience |
| 18:53.22 | eightyeight | dinner conversations at my family are always fun when i get invited. :) |
| 18:53.57 | fungus | you're probably right, I wish them all the luck in the world dealing with their cognitive dissonance. |
| 18:54.17 | eightyeight | fwiw, i'm still a member, although i take everything at my own pace |
| 18:54.19 | joshh_ | i would think this lady is in the latter group, but she also seems to really care about the priesthood, and not just the feminist aspect, so she may actually believe |
| 18:54.29 | joshh_ | we will know when she chooses or ignores her "discipline" meeting |
| 18:54.45 | fungus | good point. |
| 18:55.36 | joshh_ | its like the creationist christians vs those who don't seem religious at all |
| 18:55.46 | joshh_ | mormonism also has a spectrum |
| 18:55.56 | joshh_ | you know, like the jacks |
| 18:56.26 | eightyeight | many years ago, i took all my beliefs, but them in a box, and decided to start with step one- does god actually exist |
| 18:56.29 | fungus | It does, but it has strict policies against "apostasy". Which makes the spectrum sinful. |
| 18:56.38 | eightyeight | i logically concluded he did, so i took the next step about jesus |
| 18:56.52 | eightyeight | at that point, i figured being mormon was as good as any other christian group |
| 18:57.38 | eightyeight | i've had plenty of meetings with the elder's quorum group presidency, bishopric, stake presidency. ;) |
| 18:57.51 | eightyeight | which is why i don't get leadership callings |
| 18:57.51 | fungus | wow, that's impressive. |
| 18:57.59 | eightyeight | and i'm perfectly okay with that. :) |
| 18:58.02 | fungus | good for you. |
| 18:58.24 | joshh_ | you can have a few of your own beliefs and question things to an extent, but if you rock the boat and get the sltrib filming you getting forbidden from the conference center, they get unhappy |
| 18:58.27 | fungus | that takes balls. |
| 18:58.46 | eightyeight | joshh_: yeah. i don't rock the boat too much |
| 18:58.48 | joshh_ | but ironically trying to kick her out now will cause even more public scrutiny and bad PR |
| 18:58.55 | eightyeight | my wife knows plenty well that i'm walking the razor's edge |
| 18:59.07 | fungus | Streisand effect |
| 18:59.11 | eightyeight | she hates the attention it gets |
| 19:00.29 | goozbach | up until about 2 months ago I was the elder's quourm president |
| 19:00.58 | goozbach | ran into a guy in my ward who's no longer coming, has his own crisis of faith or whatever |
| 19:01.17 | joshh_ | eightyeight: if you only rock the boat a little, but nothing too outrageous, you can be like a modern day porter rockwell type, who everyone respects as a maverick :P |
| 19:01.23 | goozbach | and as our wives hang out all the time I figured we should get to know one another. so I invited him to lunch |
| 19:01.45 | goozbach | he was offended, "oh yah right *BROTHER* carter... we should do lunch" |
| 19:02.00 | goozbach | he took it as an attempt to get him to come back to church |
| 19:02.20 | joshh_ | should have invited him to lunch at a bar or coffee shop so he wouldn't be confused about it |
| 19:02.34 | goozbach | I couldn't care less about his testimony, just wanted to eat lunch with a potential friend |
| 19:02.57 | goozbach | so I've got a bit of a perspective from the 'other side' |
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| 19:05.00 | fungus | makes sense. he probably gets a lot of it from others that are being pushy. Too bad it affected your friendship too. |
| 19:05.49 | joshh_ | well they probably have people assigned to check up on him |
| 19:06.29 | fungus | yeah, I got a lot of that when I left the church. Now goozbach's story makes me think if 1 or more of them were being honest. |
| 19:06.59 | jxqz | fungus: but if you open the doors you can see all the people |
| 19:07.04 | joshh_ | its hard, but overall, i do think if the lds church was more accepting of the "spectrum" and allowing a range of views and lifestyles, people wouldn't have to be all or nothing in or out like that so much |
| 19:07.21 | joshh_ | it seems like only jehovas witnesses are more hardcore with that |
| 19:07.23 | jxqz | at least my daughter thinks that that is funny |
| 19:07.34 | fungus | lol, i get it. |
| 19:07.45 | fungus | joshh_, agreed. |
| 19:08.30 | joshh_ | i know a few people who grew up jehovas witnesses here in CA, and their parents/families make mormons sound like free loving pagans |
| 19:08.50 | goozbach | fungus: honestly I didn't even think of it that way |
| 19:08.52 | joshh_ | almost taliban level |
| 19:08.59 | joshh_ | maybe even more actually |
| 19:09.13 | goozbach | after thinking about it a bit I felt sorry that he had felt I was being pushy. |
| 19:09.40 | fungus | exactly, unfortunate side effect. |
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| 19:12.06 | jxqz | ~push goozbach |
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| 19:15.30 | goozbach | fungus: I'll buy you a burger and hell even a brew if you want one next time we're able :) |
| 19:15.38 | goozbach | that'll make us both feel better |
| 19:15.44 | fungus | hehe, that works. |
| 19:15.47 | unum | I have trouble when my stake president goes around email stuff like this: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27539 |
| 19:16.09 | unum | then a few weeks later they guy sitting next to me made a "joke" about murdering the president |
| 19:16.28 | jxqz | 'freedomforum' is all you need to know for it to seem fishy |
| 19:16.57 | unum | jxqz: he comfirmed to me that emailed a rough draft of his talk that was different from what he said in conference |
| 19:17.05 | fozzmoo | Our Stake President has proclaimed, pretty much, that you're not fit for a leadership position in the church if you have facial hair. |
| 19:17.38 | fozzmoo | Apparently, in the leadership meeting when that went out, they sang "I'll go where you want me to go" and our bishop was singing "I'll shave what you want me to shave" |
| 19:17.42 | unum | the emailed version was mostly the same |
| 19:18.31 | levi | fozzmoo: Fun. :/ |
| 19:18.43 | unum | he asked me if I thought it was more likely that the sltrib had modified his talk, or if he had actually emailed out the talk I just linked to |
| 19:18.51 | fozzmoo | A friend who lives in Draper told me his stake presidency has mandated that wards can only sing selections of top-40 hymns. |
| 19:19.09 | unum | I find it far more likely he email that talk |
| 19:19.37 | fozzmoo | He brought it up with one of the stake presidency members because the hymn book encourages singing lesser-known hymns and specifically says all hymns are encouraged. |
| 19:19.59 | fozzmoo | The leader told my friend that he didn't feel my friend was "sustaining" him. |
| 19:20.17 | fozzmoo | I told my friend before all this happened that Draper was weird. Now he believes me. |
| 19:21.58 | Q_Continuum | As a Minnesota Lutheran-raised transplant, a fair bit of what happens in Utah seems weird :P |
| 19:22.25 | Q_Continuum | and over-the-top holier-than-thou sometimes. |
| 19:22.31 | Q_Continuum | (with what hits the news anyway) |
| 19:22.33 | fozzmoo | The way I see these two people who are being called to disciplinary meetings is that (a) the church didn't go public with it, they obviously went to the press with it and (b) church leaders don't usually take issue with someone's doubts unless they're dragging others down with them. |
| 19:22.38 | goozbach | Imma gonna go read the 'his dark materials' series now |
| 19:22.53 | fozzmoo | Q_Continuum: I'm sure. |
| 19:23.00 | Q_Continuum | But the latter is true anywhere |
| 19:23.03 | goozbach | that book series and accompanying movies were 'blacklisted' by our stake leadership at one point |
| 19:23.15 | Q_Continuum | People always have to one-up each other, regardless of the culture or group. |
| 19:23.18 | Jayce^ | the letter specifically pointed that the questions weren't a problem, it's the public actions |
| 19:23.25 | levi | fozzmoo: Stake presidents occasionally make weird pronouncements just about everywhere, I think. |
| 19:23.32 | goozbach | Q_Continuum: I'm not a fan of big swaths of the utah culture |
| 19:23.52 | fozzmoo | goozbach: We still wish you were here. |
| 19:24.23 | fozzmoo | levi: Yeah, probably. They're people too. |
| 19:25.23 | levi | It's got to do weird things to you, having yourself hoisted up on a pedestal like that and suddenly being responsible for some huge number of people's eternal souls. |
| 19:25.28 | Jayce^ | I used to think I'd hate it here, but have become quite happy here |
| 19:26.00 | levi | And the insistence that you're going to get direct revelation on decisions to make. |
| 19:26.50 | Q_Continuum | levi: Anytime someone gets thrust into a leadership position above what they're used to its always difficult |
| 19:26.58 | Q_Continuum | Especially if it isn't a gradual thing |
| 19:27.33 | Jayce^ | much prefers being back in scouts... so much more fun |
| 19:27.50 | Q_Continuum | I should find a scout troop and start giving back |
| 19:27.57 | Q_Continuum | is an Eagle Scout |
| 19:28.11 | unum | I'm cub master right now |
| 19:28.19 | unum | I really enjoyed my time as assistant cub master |
| 19:28.25 | unum | s/cub/scout |
| 19:28.27 | fozzmoo | I made it to Life. I was six months away from my Eagle when my scoutmaster told me I wouldn't amount to anything in my life. |
| 19:28.36 | Q_Continuum | Ouch |
| 19:28.42 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I've since forgiven him. :) |
| 19:28.51 | Q_Continuum | Hopefully also proved him wrong? |
| 19:29.01 | Jayce^ | yeah, I usually had inactive people for scoutmasters that didn't want to do anything (of course I was the only active scout) |
| 19:29.03 | jxqz | has an empty eagle |
| 19:29.04 | fozzmoo | He had a hard life and was probably having a bad day. |
| 19:29.11 | jxqz | don't really care for it, actually |
| 19:29.24 | jxqz | scout culture was really chafing for me |
| 19:29.58 | fozzmoo | My bro-in-law hates scouts because of his negative experience and has told his sons they can take it or leave it, he doesn't care. |
| 19:30.08 | jxqz | I didn't mind the activities though |
| 19:30.40 | jxqz | my ward got me my eagle |
| 19:30.43 | jxqz | basically |
| 19:30.58 | levi | My scoutmaster was working with me to get my Eagle; said all the requirements were met and he was just waiting to hear back; turns out he hadn't actually done any of the paperwork at all. |
| 19:30.59 | jxqz | sure I did some busy work |
| 19:31.07 | Jayce^ | my dad was a tough love guy, I couldn't do a "simple" project.. so a different experience |
| 19:31.16 | Q_Continuum | It looked really good when I walked into an interview with IBM Global Services at 19, as an Eagle Scout, with 4 years IT experience under my belt and a 2-year degree while working on a 4-year. |
| 19:31.17 | jxqz | Jayce^: nice |
| 19:31.59 | Q_Continuum | Hiring manager was rather impressed. |
| 19:32.22 | goozbach | I made it to life too |
| 19:32.30 | jxqz | I mostly wanted to be away from the other kids so I could do and experience things on my own terms |
| 19:32.32 | Jayce^ | did an 18 acre reforestation project for one of the local tribes |
| 19:32.40 | goozbach | then the other assholes in my troop made my life sucky |
| 19:32.55 | Q_Continuum | I ended up running mine for a long time |
| 19:33.15 | Q_Continuum | 8 of us in my group started, 4 quit 3 transferred to a troop closer to where they lived. |
| 19:33.32 | Q_Continuum | So I merged with the patrol above me, then they all quit, or made Eagle and quit. |
| 19:33.35 | Jayce^ | I was the only kid doing scouts in my area, so that was the "alternative" |
| 19:33.53 | goozbach | we should start adult scouts |
| 19:34.00 | Jayce^ | that's what being a leader is |
| 19:34.04 | Q_Continuum | So I ended up in every leadership spot possible, bouncing around |
| 19:34.04 | unum | I had my eagle at 14 and remainded active in the program until I turned 18 |
| 19:34.11 | Jayce^ | I have an excuse to go camping monthly, and if kids tag-along, that's ok |
| 19:34.26 | unum | goozbach: BSA has one, my old venture leader was running a group for a while |
| 19:34.49 | unum | seems he mostly planned hikes and stuff |
| 19:34.50 | Q_Continuum | goozbach: I would be up for a camping trip. But here in UT it seems it'd be warmer and dryer than what I'm used to from Minnesota. |
| 19:34.56 | unum | atleast I think it was part of the BSA program |
| 19:35.02 | goozbach | camp trip! |
| 19:35.03 | Oberon4278 | Q_Continuum: What part of MN? |
| 19:35.04 | goozbach | yay! |
| 19:35.13 | Q_Continuum | Venture Scouts are up to 21, adults past that. |
| 19:35.18 | Jayce^ | goozbach: you can always join me, once you're back out here :D |
| 19:35.31 | goozbach | infobot: never Jayce^ |
| 19:35.32 | Q_Continuum | Oberon4278: NW corner of the Twin Cities; Pack 519/Troop 511 out of St. Francis |
| 19:35.44 | jxqz | Jayce^ will shoot you with paintballs |
| 19:35.47 | Jayce^ | I gotta say, it's really fun teaching kids some of this.. |
| 19:35.51 | Jayce^ | jxqz: already have |
| 19:35.56 | jxqz | heh |
| 19:35.57 | Jayce^ | that's why he left |
| 19:36.00 | Oberon4278 | I grew up in St. Paul |
| 19:36.03 | Oberon4278 | near Como Park |
| 19:36.08 | Q_Continuum | I need to get a tent and dig up my sleeping bag |
| 19:36.42 | goozbach | I taught my scouts 20 different ways to start fires |
| 19:36.44 | goozbach | it was fun |
| 19:37.12 | Jayce^ | teaching wilderness survival and orienteering next week |
| 19:37.13 | Oberon4278 | If it's underground, you might want to just get a new one... |
| 19:37.33 | Oberon4278 | @Jayce^: How often do you practice wilderness survival, rather than just teach it? |
| 19:37.48 | goozbach | I want to buy/build a yurt |
| 19:37.51 | goozbach | or a wall-tent |
| 19:37.53 | goozbach | with a stove |
| 19:37.58 | Jayce^ | Oberon4278: depends on which part, pretty often.. I love getting out |
| 19:38.03 | hiWIt | with a microwave? |
| 19:38.07 | Q_Continuum | Oberon4278: haha. More of a question of "did I bring it with me, or is it back in MN?" |
| 19:38.13 | Oberon4278 | Like, do you ever go out there and try to live on the stuff you know, so you get practical experience with it? |
| 19:38.18 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:38.22 | Oberon4278 | that's pretty cool |
| 19:38.38 | Oberon4278 | adds @Jayce^ to his Zombie Apocalypse list. |
| 19:38.40 | Jayce^ | It's a lot harder here than it was growing up in WA.. that was an easy place to learn |
| 19:38.44 | hiWIt | Jayce^: have you ever encountered large fauna? |
| 19:39.08 | Jayce^ | hiWIt: yeah, I do a lot of camping with my family in MT, so bears and big cats are pretty common in that area |
| 19:39.56 | Jayce^ | around here mostly just deer and coyotes |
| 19:41.02 | Jayce^ | if you want to learn about food around here, this guy is in my ward: http://www.wildutahedibles.com/ |
| 19:41.09 | Jayce^ | does "educational walks" |
| 19:43.22 | eightyeight | so, i went to lunch, and didn't get the chance explain _why_ i had had those visits |
| 19:43.48 | goozbach | hah |
| 19:43.52 | goozbach | explain away |
| 19:43.54 | hiWIt | eightyeight: you had visitations? |
| 19:43.56 | eightyeight | one was because i taught a gospel doctrine lesson that there isn't anything in the scriptures that will tell you you're sinning if you don't do your visiting or home teaching |
| 19:44.30 | goozbach | hah! |
| 19:44.32 | eightyeight | another was because i taught an elder's quorum lession in a formal chinese shirt to celebrate chinese new year |
| 19:44.35 | jxqz | sorry, I forgot I was using hiWIt |
| 19:44.40 | fozzmoo | gasps |
| 19:44.42 | fozzmoo | gasps again |
| 19:44.50 | jxqz | that one is for infobot access |
| 19:44.53 | eightyeight | another was because i brought playing cards and dice to a lesson |
| 19:45.00 | jxqz | haha |
| 19:45.09 | eightyeight | another was because i didn't wear a white shirt and tie to temple recommend interviews |
| 19:45.22 | goozbach | ohh boy the white shirt/tie thing |
| 19:45.35 | eightyeight | so, i don't own any more white shirts |
| 19:45.43 | goozbach | that's one of the things which isn't as big of a deal here in the not-utah |
| 19:45.44 | eightyeight | they're all intentionally non-white |
| 19:46.00 | eightyeight | oh, and i wore a bow tie to give a talk once |
| 19:46.08 | eightyeight | that landed me a special PPI |
| 19:46.28 | youtah | Starting the process of cleaning off my old machine |
| 19:46.34 | goozbach | what!? |
| 19:46.41 | goozbach | a bow-tie led to a PPI? |
| 19:46.45 | eightyeight | yup |
| 19:46.47 | goozbach | that's what I mean by the culture |
| 19:46.59 | goozbach | our bishop has rocked a bow tie or two in his tim |
| 19:47.01 | goozbach | time |
| 19:47.04 | eightyeight | apparently, "thou shalt not wear bow ties" is part of the 45 rules laid down for our stake by our stake president |
| 19:47.08 | Oberon4278 | Are you kidding me? |
| 19:47.23 | jnbek | what?! |
| 19:47.25 | eightyeight | among "thou shalt not watch tv on vacation" and "thou shalt not have facial hair" |
| 19:47.25 | jxqz | what about cowboy ties? |
| 19:47.32 | Jayce^ | I often wear many of those things, and have never had an issue here |
| 19:47.41 | Oberon4278 | So three or four of those things were related to nothing more than the clothes you wore? |
| 19:47.57 | Jayce^ | now back in WA I got in trouble from a bishop for wearing a bugs bunny tie.. |
| 19:48.02 | Oberon4278 | I'm pretty sure the "saints" in Africa don't wear white shirts and ties, either. |
| 19:48.10 | Jayce^ | the bishop had less of a problem when the stake pres came in wearing a daffy duck one |
| 19:48.14 | eightyeight | so, when the ward is called to raise their hands in support of our stake presidency, i don't raise mine intentionally |
| 19:48.20 | jxqz | the facial hair thing |
| 19:48.20 | eightyeight | i don't raise to object either though |
| 19:48.20 | Oberon4278 | Hell, in St. Paul I used to pass the sacrament wearing Winnie the Pooh ties. |
| 19:48.33 | Jayce^ | we do that here all the time |
| 19:48.36 | eightyeight | i don't support them though |
| 19:48.59 | eightyeight | yeah. my stake is hell in zion |
| 19:49.10 | Tene | Anyone in here interested in a small office asterisk contract? |
| 19:49.37 | jxqz | asterisk as in, all of the above? |
| 19:49.58 | Jayce^ | I had a neighbor at my old place who said similar things about our old ward.. and yet I regularly did some of the things he claimed people got in trouble for.. |
| 19:50.10 | Jayce^ | think it was much more /his/ problems than the ward's |
| 19:50.10 | Tene | jxqz: AS in the PBX |
| 19:50.16 | eightyeight | people still have facial hair. i still wear colored shirts and bow ties. |
| 19:50.20 | fozzmoo | Tene: You're not going to participate in the religion discussion? ;-) |
| 19:50.26 | eightyeight | and my temple interview is coming up. i'm going in jeans and a t-shirt |
| 19:50.35 | fozzmoo | eightyeight: That'll show 'em! |
| 19:50.46 | eightyeight | indeed |
| 19:51.02 | eightyeight | i'm not a blind follower, and not a conformist |
| 19:51.03 | Tene | fozzmoo: I haven't been following; I just jumped in as a friend is looking for someone to set up a small office PBX for him |
| 19:51.29 | jxqz | Tene: does it involve lego work? |
| 19:51.35 | jxqz | otherwise I'm not interested |
| 19:51.36 | fozzmoo | As someone who lived in Utah pretty much my whole life, I remember going to Minnesota for the summer in 1997 to do an internship for Cray Research and going to church there. |
| 19:51.50 | fozzmoo | I was shocked by people showing up for church in jeans. |
| 19:52.04 | fozzmoo | It was so shocking to me, that I only attended a couple of times that whole summer. |
| 19:52.05 | eightyeight | the horror! |
| 19:52.20 | fozzmoo | I finally came to terms with it later, fortunately. |
| 19:52.26 | eightyeight | :) |
| 19:52.27 | jxqz | they probably drank coke too |
| 19:52.29 | Oberon4278 | eightyeight: Apparently it's okay not to conform, as long as you don't go public with it. |
| 19:52.38 | eightyeight | Oberon4278: so, i have a blog... |
| 19:52.49 | goozbach | Tene: what kind of contract? |
| 19:52.53 | goozbach | build/implment? |
| 19:52.58 | Oberon4278 | gasps! |
| 19:53.16 | Tene | goozbach: Yeah; I'll /msg you |
| 19:53.24 | Oberon4278 | I hear that public excommunications come in six; they're probably looking for four more. |
| 19:53.27 | Oberon4278 | Be careful! |
| 19:53.33 | eightyeight | heh |
| 19:53.37 | jxqz | goozbach: don't do it; evidently there are no legos involved! |
| 19:53.37 | eightyeight | it's not september yet |
| 19:53.44 | Oberon4278 | That's true. |
| 19:53.50 | Oberon4278 | Maybe they'll go for an August Eight. |
| 19:54.12 | eightyeight | if they exed me, i'd still come and participate |
| 19:54.21 | eightyeight | it just means i won't get callings |
| 19:54.23 | eightyeight | i'm good with that |
| 19:54.41 | eightyeight | for once in my life, i'd like to attend church, just to listen. no responsibility. just go. |
| 19:54.44 | vontrapp | +1 for adult scouts or at least the campout where Jayce^ shoots you with paintballs |
| 19:55.03 | jnbek | ^^++ |
| 19:55.38 | Jayce^ | vontrapp: my dad got in trouble once for repeated use of tear gas on the scouts.. |
| 19:55.48 | Jayce^ | stayed in as scoutmaster though :) |
| 19:55.59 | goozbach | tear gas?! |
| 19:56.03 | goozbach | story time! |
| 19:56.17 | vontrapp | I'm currently advancement chair with the absence of a committee chair, so my responsibilities seem to be multiplying :/ |
| 19:57.32 | Jayce^ | goozbach: my dad was military, and child of military... reville was reville.. |
| 19:57.43 | Jayce^ | stay in bed, he'd pop a canister |
| 19:58.04 | Jayce^ | kids learned quick (except one time a kid tried hiding deeper in the sleeping bag) |
| 19:58.31 | Jayce^ | finally one of the kids was at the pulpit (shorty after my dad joined the church) ... |
| 19:58.50 | Jayce^ | gave his testimony and stated how he loved scouts, even when Bro. Hall used the tear gas... |
| 19:58.53 | fozzmoo | pops some popcorn |
| 19:58.57 | Jayce^ | <cue end of meeting> |
| 19:59.24 | Jayce^ | the kids thought it was pretty awesome after the first time, but a few parents had to get used to the idea :) |
| 19:59.32 | goozbach | hah! |
| 19:59.37 | goozbach | that's awesome |
| 19:59.39 | Jayce^ | he started bringing the blanks as warnings |
| 20:00.22 | jalbretsen | eightyeight: are you in an overkill BYU single student ward? That's the only really crazy wards I've heard that would but the smackdown on such simple things. |
| 20:00.40 | eightyeight | nope. syracuse. old hick-ville |
| 20:00.44 | Jayce^ | he always had trouble with me in the mornings.. as a young kid he would toss me, still in my bag, into the river |
| 20:01.15 | jalbretsen | I've sported a bow tie on occasion, and my dad does all the time. He's in Hooper hick-ville. |
| 20:01.35 | Jayce^ | I can only imagine if he'd been around when I was older |
| 20:01.35 | eightyeight | i still don the bow tie |
| 20:01.42 | eightyeight | and i'll grow a beard from time to time |
| 20:01.48 | eightyeight | and i never wear white shirts |
| 20:02.01 | Jayce^ | I can't stand the bow ties, but our old bishopric's kids would always wear them as priests |
| 20:02.02 | jalbretsen | in fact, there are 3 - 4 people in my ward that often wear bow ties, including deacons and priests. |
| 20:02.16 | eightyeight | i can only imagine what church leadership meetings are like |
| 20:02.24 | eightyeight | "... and then there's brother toponce..." |
| 20:02.25 | vontrapp | i've moved away from white shirts myself, need to throw out the 2 I have left, both are grungy anyway |
| 20:02.28 | Jayce^ | anybody else see alton browns bow-tie bit two weeks ago? |
| 20:02.39 | vontrapp | i'm so tired of conforming - shaved my head even. :D |
| 20:02.43 | eightyeight | i love bow ties |
| 20:02.44 | Jayce^ | I've got a couple, they are just part of the rotation |
| 20:03.00 | eightyeight | my wife hates them though |
| 20:03.09 | eightyeight | i just point her to bill nye |
| 20:03.10 | jalbretsen | well, as we are all geeks, we should all know that bow ties are cool, and know why. |
| 20:03.22 | jxqz | they can take pictures! |
| 20:03.23 | Jayce^ | when I was in EQ, neybar_work_ was the only guy without facial hair.. and our current young mens is >50% hairy |
| 20:03.59 | neybar_work_ | I'm a black sheep like that. |
| 20:04.09 | eightyeight | i'm growing my hair out, actually |
| 20:04.14 | eightyeight | time for some serious length |
| 20:04.16 | fozzmoo | But neybar_work_ grew some awesome facial hair last Fall. |
| 20:04.27 | Oberon4278 | @Jayce^: Where does a civilian (even ex-military) get tear gas? |
| 20:04.45 | vontrapp | I think once winter gears up I'll grow it back, and then keep growing... and growing... |
| 20:04.46 | neybar_work | hipsters? |
| 20:04.58 | fozzmoo | I would imagine you could make some with some goods from a pool/spa supply store. |
| 20:05.01 | Oberon4278 | Or was he using up the canisters that he'd tactically acquired over the years? |
| 20:05.53 | goozbach | Oberon4278: it's called slippage |
| 20:06.39 | goozbach | or spillage |
| 20:06.44 | goozbach | or spoilage |
| 20:06.49 | jxqz | eightyeight: I've grown a pretty significant beard, enough to blow in the wind anyway |
| 20:06.51 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:06.59 | goozbach | wonder what a beard is like |
| 20:07.05 | goozbach | never had more than a goatee |
| 20:07.09 | jxqz | it's uncomfortable at first |
| 20:07.10 | goozbach | I look better clean shaven |
| 20:07.12 | Jayce^ | Oberon4278: nowadays, that's a lot harder... back then it was easy |
| 20:07.21 | unum | our high councilman wore bow ties |
| 20:07.24 | jxqz | but I also have really full coverage |
| 20:07.27 | unum | though he was just released |
| 20:07.33 | goozbach | jxqz: it's not a matter of not trying, I don't have much cheek hair (on my face anyway) |
| 20:07.36 | eightyeight | jxqz: yeah. i'm really patchy on the cheeks. comes in great everywhere else though. heh. |
| 20:07.50 | eightyeight | jxqz: i usually end up shaving it, and going for a circle beard |
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| 20:08.03 | Jayce^ | goozbach: I still look like I'm a teenager without the facial hair.. |
| 20:08.05 | fozzmoo | I wish I could go full-on Unixbeard. |
| 20:08.08 | jxqz | I think I look better without hear |
| 20:08.13 | jxqz | hair |
| 20:08.14 | eightyeight | fozzmoo: yeah. same |
| 20:08.23 | jxqz | my wife disagrees though |
| 20:08.30 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo sneezes, and he has a beard.. and neckbeard.. and more... |
| 20:08.30 | eightyeight | i'm jealous of those that can grow awesome beards and sideburns |
| 20:08.31 | fozzmoo | But as soon as I go about 2-3 weeks, I'm ready to claw my face off. |
| 20:08.35 | eightyeight | my burns don't connect |
| 20:08.44 | jxqz | I have to shave it everytime I do an OTS event though |
| 20:08.50 | Jayce^ | I have the reverse fu-manchu.. but my wife prefers it |
| 20:09.07 | jxqz | because facial hair is wicked or something |
| 20:09.20 | Jayce^ | for me, I like not having to bother shaving, and not getting ingrown hairs anymore |
| 20:09.30 | jxqz | actually, because missionaries can't have beards, for now |
| 20:09.30 | unum | being the trouble make I am I've been trying to figure out how to work this: http://kylewaters51.org into the interview and seemhow my stake president handles it |
| 20:09.32 | fozzmoo | Maybe I should do a progressive thing - Start lengthening the sideburns and start branching out from the goatee. |
| 20:09.36 | eightyeight | you can blame a good deal of current conformity to david o. mackay |
| 20:09.49 | eightyeight | white shirts, clean shaven, word of wisdom, ... |
| 20:09.53 | unum | eightyeight: what do you wear when you attend the temple |
| 20:10.02 | eightyeight | i have a white shirt for that |
| 20:10.11 | eightyeight | but it's a temple shirt, not a 'street' shirt |
| 20:10.17 | unum | ah |
| 20:10.28 | eightyeight | IE: not worn outside of the temple |
| 20:10.49 | jxqz | eightyeight never lets anyone see him wearing white |
| 20:11.12 | eightyeight | can i wear a white t-shirt with a print of a necktie? |
| 20:11.47 | jxqz | no, sounds awful |
| 20:12.17 | goozbach | eightyeight: tux tshrit only |
| 20:12.40 | fozzmoo | needs a tux tie |
| 20:12.42 | jxqz | as in supertux |
| 20:12.49 | vontrapp | one of those things harleypig posted - in white |
| 20:12.49 | fozzmoo | s/tux tie/arsenal of tux ties/ |
| 20:12.53 | jxqz | supertuxkart |
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| 20:30.19 | nage | including nolok and fantasma gnu? |
| 20:30.49 | jxqz | indeedy |
| 20:40.24 | joshh_ | Jayce^: i found that an electric norelco shaver instead of razors fixed the ingrown hair thing completely |
| 20:40.41 | joshh_ | my shave isn't as close, but overall my face is better |
| 20:40.43 | Jayce^ | had one of those, was way worse for me |
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| 20:42.41 | Tene | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By6NnTfRJwf4OE1IZUhZaWpXZjA/edit?usp=sharing -- I gave up on shaving a little while back; I'm quite pleased with the results. |
| 20:43.09 | joshh_ | that is quite impressive |
| 20:43.17 | RyanE | Full Unix-Beard! |
| 20:43.29 | joshh_ | i would not mistake you for a windows guy |
| 20:43.36 | Tene | My beard is too thick and grows too fast and my skin is too pale to ever look clean-shaven, even right after shaving. |
| 20:43.39 | RyanE | I can't beard anymore. Sleep apnea CPAP gear causes issues. |
| 20:43.49 | Tene | I guess maybe I could have waxed it, but... nope. |
| 20:43.56 | RyanE | ooh, a waxed beard! |
| 20:43.58 | RyanE | :) |
| 20:44.04 | goozbach | Jayce^: tried doing lotion after shaving? |
| 20:44.07 | Tene | RyanE: I don't have any trouble with my CPAP |
| 20:44.08 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 20:44.17 | RyanE | no leakage issues? |
| 20:44.35 | Tene | Nope. |
| 20:44.41 | Tene | My mask is one like this: http://imgcdn.thecpapshop.com/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/9/4/945_large_image.jpg |
| 20:45.01 | RyanE | ah, but I'm full-face. |
| 20:45.11 | Tene | Yeah, I haven't ever tried full-face |
| 20:45.45 | joshh_ | RyanE: sounds like you should just have a neckbeard, or maybe goatee |
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| 20:46.39 | RyanE | Not a fan of the neckbeard. |
| 20:46.49 | RyanE | anyway, maybe someday. |
| 20:46.57 | RyanE | but the last 1000 days or so, no beard. :| |
| 20:47.43 | Oberon4278 | I think when I finally shave, I'll do my face first (leaving my neckbeard) and take a picture, just for Reddit. |
| 20:49.24 | joshh_ | GIS has some amazing neck beards |
| 20:50.23 | joshh_ | static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Ultimate+Neckbeard_c83e23_4682395.jpg |
| 20:51.47 | fozzmoo | hates how Chrome screws up copying URLs to the clipboard, unlike Firefox, which does it right every time. |
| 20:52.02 | Oberon4278 | That has GOT to be photoshopped |
| 20:52.08 | RyanE | too much neck |
| 20:53.21 | joshh_ | fozzmoo: for some reason the address bar/paste from chrome has no http, or it would be clickable in most terminals :( |
| 20:55.35 | fozzmoo | Yeah. Firefox automagically fixes that. |
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| 21:03.07 | Tene | Somehow I've never had trouble with that from chrome, although my co-workers do. |
| 21:03.13 | Tene | we haven't been able to figure out what's different |
| 21:03.47 | Tene | I haven't been able to get a copy that omits the scheme from chrome |
| 21:03.47 | jxqz | Tene: you've got the beard |
| 21:20.47 | shalkie | Tene: Nicely done with the beard! |
| 21:22.05 | Tene | It needs some trimming, but I'm quite happy with it. |
| 21:24.18 | shalkie | Yeah, trimming can be a bit annoying. |
| 21:25.21 | shalkie | has been considering the use of a fixed blade recently. |
| 21:27.36 | RyanE | shalkie: you should try a fixed blade on a weedwhacker. |
| 21:27.42 | RyanE | and film it for YouTube. |
| 21:28.24 | shalkie | o_O ? |
| 21:28.29 | shalkie | That would hurt |
| 21:28.49 | shalkie | See, one more reason for me to not shave. |
| 21:28.51 | RyanE | depends on how close you get |
| 21:29.01 | RyanE | you want a *really* close shave, it's dangerous. |
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| 21:36.36 | manithree | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ehgEICJrPKE/TkFAfjDmfTI/AAAAAAAABhg/wcbDDh_rJ1Y/s1600/beardly_ruler_t_shirt_fixed_sm.jpg |
| 21:36.49 | eightyeight | i hear card throwing can be a cutting experience. maybe try that |
| 21:38.53 | eightyeight | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gS73aErDgk |
| 21:47.37 | fungus | have Ricky Jay cut your beard... if you dare? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1ZGIN0UqJE |
| 22:13.02 | *** part/#utah Nemus (~Nemus@unaffiliated/nemus) |
| 22:22.08 | eightyeight | i love rickey jay |
| 22:22.18 | eightyeight | his vocabulary is awesome |
| 22:36.37 | jxqz | an altiloquent barber? |
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| 22:51.30 | ldav15_ | Whenever I see that Chinese talent show, I always think about this guy (NSFW or anywhere else for that matter): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjY3MjI4MzMy.html?from=y1.2-1-85.4.6-1.12-1-2-5 |
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| 23:16.29 | shalkie | I just don't understand... A Unicorn velociraptor Spewing rainbow as a 404 page? I just... |
| 23:16.31 | shalkie | http://psg.mtu.edu/fail.html |
| 23:16.58 | shalkie | puts head in hands |
| 23:17.00 | jxqz | sounds rad |
| 23:17.11 | jxqz | shalkie: you need that on a t-shirt |
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